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Title: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: buzzbee on August 05, 2015, 07:13:00 pm
I had an extra hardrive and have been beta testing windows 10. I like the operating system but will mind that it is not a very good operating system for those that have any privacy concerns.
In the fine print microsoft desires to keep even data from private folders backed up on their servers.And make them available to any government agency that asks. Not sure how this works if you encrypt your data,as MS likely keeps the keys for their encryption software.
If you install windows 10,don't use the "express" settings. Use custom settings to be able to turn off some of the features you may not like. Such as the option that shares your wifi login to anyone in your contact list. Scarey thought huh! This exploit may make it also available to anyone in their contact list as well.
 
 Be aware that facebook wishes to be able to do this as well.
  Although I will use the Windows for web surfing and benign stuff, Any banking or personal things will be done with the Linux drive plugged in. I will not even let both drives plugged in for the dual boot option,just in case.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Geoff on August 05, 2015, 09:18:00 pm


  Real happy with Linux Mint 17 Ken, no problems with the bare bones O/S. Trying hard to learn to operate using terminal commands etc. but am making progress. Our last session with Linux at our U3A meet did a quick review of Windows 10 but it was marked down by everyone.
  For anyone curious as to what U3A is here is a link to our local group      http://www.lvu3a.org.au/
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: buzzbee on August 05, 2015, 09:34:49 pm
I like the Linux mint too Geoff. I just like keeping up with the windows os as we use it at work and such. It is mostly linux and android for personal use.
  Windows now acts much like the android the way it wants to back up everything automatically and they are  migrating towards "apps" even though thats all programs really were.

On another note Geoff, how well does skype work withn Linux? and did you use the wine program to use skype?
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: texanbelchers on August 05, 2015, 10:37:07 pm
One of my guys loaded it up, but i haven't looked at it yet.  Somehow it feels like i, Robot (the movie not the Roomba); a free upgrade that will solve all your problems and then take over the world.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Geoff on August 17, 2015, 11:05:57 pm
    Sorry I missed your post of 08/06/15 Ken.  Skype puts up a Linux version these days and works well.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Michael Bush on August 18, 2015, 11:59:43 am
I'm much more interested in Linux than Windows 10, or Windows 8... I will run Windows 7 until Microsoft refuses to support it and then I might keep using it anyway...

My only issue with Linux has been a lack of hardware drivers and an easy way to upgrade everything that continues to work for more than a year or two.  My Asus used to manage it ok but then they stopped supporting it... :(
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: NeilTheCop on August 18, 2015, 07:27:47 pm
I had an extra hardrive and have been beta testing windows 10. I like the operating system but will mind that it is not a very good operating system for those that have any privacy concerns.
In the fine print microsoft desires to keep even data from private folders backed up on their servers.And make them available to any government agency that asks. Not sure how this works if you encrypt your data,as MS likely keeps the keys for their encryption software.

Check PGP. The feds hate it and it's creator, so it must be good :wink:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy)
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: buzzbee on August 18, 2015, 09:09:21 pm
I found it surprising that they gave me full license of Windows 10 pro after beta testing as this was a formatted drive with no licensed copy of windows 7 or 8  on it.. I like the Linux Mint I have been using but will keep the windows drive for times I have compatability issues. In less than a minute the drives are switched and rebooted.
Linux has been pretty good at recognizing any hardware items I've had hooked up. It Actually found my wireless printer on my LAN easier than any of the windows.
  One thing I found disturbing when windows was going from beta to full version, it asked if I wanted other computers on my lan to be able to store different parts of the download for full version if this pc was offline for any reason. It never asked for permission from the other PC s. I wonder what esle they may be doing?

Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: KeyLargoBees on August 19, 2015, 10:43:36 am
That's one of the big beefs with 10 out on the forums....its a security black hole...not necessarily for the rest of the world but Microsoft reportedly has access to any and all data you keep locally during the upgrade process and updates. Here is a link to their replies to the concerns but its too "Big Brother" for me. I will resist using  it until forced to for work and there is no migration plan out there at the moment ;-)

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2956773/emerging-technology/microsoft-responds-to-windows-10-privacy-policy-concerns.html
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: NeilTheCop on August 19, 2015, 05:00:37 pm
Not sure what all the fuss is about.
After all it is a Microsoft product, which means it will never work properly anyway :cool:
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 10, 2015, 05:00:29 pm
I put Windows 10 on my wife's laptop.  It lasted about 15 days and after fixing a glitch ever day, I reverted to Windows 7.  It would freeze up and a message would say there was a critical error in the shell infrastructure host.  The only remedy was clicking ctrl+alt+del, file magager, check safe mode, restart, repeat ctrl+alt+del, uncheck safe mode, restart ( leaving out a few steps there, but that's the important part).   
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: buzzbee on September 11, 2015, 06:51:24 pm
Dallasbeek,
There has been talk that motherboard drivers may need updating to let Windows 10 work better. On another note, I hear that the latest win 7 and 8 security updates gives microsoft the same level of access to your files as they do in windows 10.
  Not that I'm hiding anything, but when back doors are there,anyone can enter with the proper know how. Bacjk doors are security leaks.
 I use Linux predominantly for my computer useage, but pop in Windows just to stay familiar with it.
I have not done any monetary or private discussions  while using the new windows. And I don't use it where any security is needed for my accounts.
 When installing 10 you can turn off a lot of what goes to MS but I'm betting there is background stuff you can't that you wish you could.

 
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 11, 2015, 08:27:45 pm
Ken,

When I was installing 10,I turned off almost everything that could be turned off and my wife asked what was the point of installing 10 if I was turning it all off.   Anyway, she's happy now that she's back on 7.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: sawdstmakr on September 12, 2015, 02:02:55 am
Ken,
That is why I no longer do the updates. You never know what they are adding to your computer.
Jim
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Michael Bush on September 12, 2015, 11:51:09 am
You have to wonder when they have to give away their new operating system to get people to take it... and then REQUIRE them to get automatic updates that may break the system with no notice and no way to stop it.  I have computers that aren't even on the internet.  What happens to those when they can't get autoupdates?
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 12, 2015, 02:21:03 pm
You have to wonder when they have to give away their new operating system to get people to take it... and then REQUIRE them to get automatic updates that may break the system with no notice and no way to stop it.  I have computers that aren't even on the internet.  What happens to those when they can't get autoupdates?

The updates are mostly to protect your computers from all the bad stuff that's on the internet, so you should put them on the internet so Microsoft can protect you.  Yeah, that makes sense :cool:
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: jet09 on September 21, 2015, 05:19:49 pm
I have installed it on my media center PC. So far haven't had any issues. I do have to say that I don't like how it search your whole network for music, movies, etc. without asking you about it.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: buzzbee on September 22, 2015, 08:44:50 pm
I have heard media center goes away in Windows 10. Have not looked for it yet though. Next time I plug in the windows drive I'll have to check it out.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: jet09 on October 15, 2015, 10:41:23 pm
I have heard media center goes away in Windows 10. Have not looked for it yet though. Next time I plug in the windows drive I'll have to check it out.

Yes it does go away  :angry:. I have to use XBMC. Which is great except for TV channel guide. Might downgrade to 7 for that!
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: jayj200 on March 27, 2016, 06:16:51 pm
I did and it broke
went to Ubuntu  or linx still going today

I have left Microsoft for good
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: buzzbee on March 27, 2016, 09:54:22 pm
Linux Mint has been my system of choice for now. I have windows 10 on a separate hard drive.,but  use very limited personal info on it. Just basic web browsing. Typically I don't even log into websites I visit.
 After Microsofts statements on encryption with the government, I surely won't  tend personal business with their products.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Michael Bush on March 28, 2016, 05:09:29 pm
Every time I get an reminder from Microsoft to upgrade I'm more determined to never go to windows 10...
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: buzzbee on April 03, 2016, 12:58:07 pm
There is a free program called "Never 10" out there that will stop windows from forcing the 10 upgrade. Often microsoft will bug you only so long and install 10 whether you want it or not. And sometimes thing go wrong during the"aoto" install, losing data and corrupting programs.
 The Never10 is available from Gibson Research,and free of charge.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Michael Bush on April 05, 2016, 06:56:56 pm
I found a couple of other solutions.  One is to uninstall the update that caused the problem (KB3035583) and then never allowing it to be installed again.  The other is to rename the directory (which it will not let you delete and it will not let you remove from the registry because they are owned by "trusted installer") that the update is in so it won't be found.  It is named GWX.  It may be a hidden folder so you may have to turn on seeing hidden files.  I renamed it something angry... but you can name it anything you like unless they blocked that now too...  If so see if you can rename GWX.exe in that folder.   I renamed it back after I found the update and it went away when I uninstalled the update.  Then I turned auto updates off (which I shouldn't but, I admit, I was angry) and I have never turned them back on.  The right thing is to hide that particular update in the Windows update section of the control panel.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: kathyp on April 05, 2016, 07:49:02 pm
I would be happy to change if they let me control the updates.  I can't schedule them or see what they are putting on there.  For that reason, I won't update the PC.  I did the laptop that I only use for travel just to see what it was like.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Michael Bush on April 06, 2016, 09:24:59 am
I remember back when Walmart was taking over and all the KMart's were going under.  KMart decided to paint all of their stores the same colors as Walmart.  They seemed to think that would help.  I fell like Microsoft is doing the same thing.  Back when Coke was losing all the taste tests they decided to make it taste like Pepsi.   What they did not take into account is that people who preferred Pepsi were not their customers and they weren't going to get them to leave Pepsi.  Coke's customers were people who preferred Coke.  People who liked a less sweet, less smooth, slightly bitter taste.  So Coke in one fell swoop lost the only customers they had... Again, Microsoft seems to be attempting the same thing.  I like to "own" my computer.  Apple likes to think THEY own my computer.  The more Microsoft emulates Apple the more I hate them...  It's MY computer.  I should be in charge, not Microsoft and not Apple.   Yes, I'm the kind of guy who has a link to Regedit on my desktop...
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: eivindm on April 14, 2016, 03:30:07 am
Ubuntu has been my daily driver for more than 10 years. I use it at home, both for servers, desktops and laptops, and at work.  Haven't used windows for years, and never used mac. All the servers I work on at work use Ubuntu too.  I am a very happy Linux user :-)  My game console is SteamOS (self built http://store.steampowered.com/steamos/) with two steam controllers.  SteamOS is a debian Linux based game console.  Only my firewall runs on a FreeBSD based system.  And now I wait for the brand new Ubuntu tablet which should ship in a week or two: http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet  Exciting times :-)
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: Michael Bush on April 14, 2016, 08:19:09 am
I started to make the jump to Linux (no preference on the front end) but kept running into a lack of drivers and software.  Otherwise I would have stuck with that.  I may make the jump yet.  I just wish the manufacturers would support it better.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: eivindm on April 14, 2016, 08:39:37 am
Drivers can be a problem.  I go for Intel or Nvidia graphics, not ATI which I have very bad experience with.

The best option if you plan to buy a new computer is to buy from someone that supports Linux and make sure all drivers work.  System76 (US based company) has a very good reputation and only sell computers for Linux.  Dell XPS 13 is an alternative.  I guess there are many others too in the US.

And older computers normally have better driver support as the hardware have been out for a longer period. I still use my old Lonovo X200 from year 2000 at home.
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: TALittle on May 20, 2016, 10:59:25 am
As someone who went to using Linux as my only desktop 21 years ago. Let me know if you are having an issue. I am more than happy to help.

As a note, I run Fadora core and have had very few driver issues. The more annoying one was using the commercial nvidia driver. However, I only use it because I have multiple displays and wanted a specific layout that was not support on the open source driver.

I should add that I am a Sr Linux Architect in the Aerospace industry. So it is also what I do as a career. lol
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: sawdstmakr on May 21, 2016, 07:11:34 am
Drivers can be a problem.  I go for Intel or Nvidia graphics, not ATI which I have very bad experience with.

The best option if you plan to buy a new computer is to buy from someone that supports Linux and make sure all drivers work.  System76 (US based company) has a very good reputation and only sell computers for Linux.  Dell XPS 13 is an alternative.  I guess there are many others too in the US.

And older computers normally have better driver support as the hardware have been out for a longer period. I still use my old Lonovo X200 from year 2000 at home.
eivindm,
Welcome back. I have not seen you on here since 2014.
Jim
Title: Re: Any body jumping to Windows 10?
Post by: 1frozenhillbilly on July 07, 2016, 05:24:12 pm
i should check out the tech forum more often!  when 10 tried to self install i dropped a mint dvd in my laptop and will probably never go back, it is still a learning curve and there are a few habits i had with windows that don't work the same in mint  but so far I've been really happy with the change wish I'd done this sooner!