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Title: Below ground Locating
Post by: BoBn on January 29, 2010, 10:23:22 am
I have been using 2 pieces of brass rod to locate underground pipes and wires. 

I first tried it about 10 years ago with a couple of coat hangers when I was looking for the septic tank for my old farm house.  I was able to find the tank and clay pipes on my 1st try.  Then I started walking back and forth across my back yard and found some old abandoned wooden pipes, underground wire, and my polypipe waterline from my well. 

Over the years I have used this technique to find mower parts that had vibrated off while mowing my fields, tools that were lost, and have found many pieces of junk.  I have also found jewelry and coins.   

At work, I use ferro-magnetic locators, ground-penetrating radar and radio location equipment, but I also use a pair of rods.

I don't know why a couple of bent rods work. My theory is that somehow I am locating slight disruptions in the earth's magnetic field.

There is a fancy low-tec commercially available device that works somewhat like my brass rods, but I doubt if it works any better.
http://www.farwestcorrosion.com/fwst/instrum/magnetomatic.htm (http://www.farwestcorrosion.com/fwst/instrum/magnetomatic.htm) 
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: Sparky on January 29, 2010, 08:42:42 pm
You truly are one of the gifted ones. That is the way my parents had their well located when I was a kid, to drill for water and I thought the man was a crackpot when he told them where to drill and how far and how much water they could get. He was very close on all. Many of us have tried it with none that could get the rods to respond.
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: BoBn on February 01, 2010, 03:49:51 pm
he told them where to drill and how far and how much water they could get. He was very close on all.

I don't have any accurate idea of what I find.  For me, a large thing is deeply buried is similar in "signal strength" to a small thing that is closer to the surface.

When I locate, I don't focus on anything in particular.  I just walk along.  I had my kids try it, and it works for them too. 

I think that it is something that can be learned.  Like training the sense of smell:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/59335.php (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/59335.php)
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: ayyon2157 on February 01, 2010, 06:43:55 pm
hello BoBn:

     Very closely related is the act of holding a piece of thread to which a needle is attached and asking it questions.  Tell it how you want it to respond (such as transcribing a circle or swinging back and forth for either "yes" or "no")

    There are apparently "rules" as to what it will answer accurately and what it won't.  I can get lottery numbers all night long, but no winners.

     Some people claim success in "dowsing" over a map, or using an "ouija" board.

ayyon2157
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: Brian D. Bray on February 01, 2010, 11:23:07 pm
Dowsing can be done a number of ways:
1. Using a forked stick.
2. Using a straight stick.
3. Using metal rods:
    a. One each of two different metals
    b. Two of 1 kind of metal
    c.  One single iron rod
    d.  One single copper rod
4. Using 2 crossed sticks or rods.

For me using a long iron rod, like a digging bar, works best.  If I walk slowly with the bar balanced in my hand it will always pull point down and out of my hand as it passes over either buried pipes or water.  If you dig where the point hits the ground you'll find the pipe or water source (which is often the same).
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: Humanbeeing on January 18, 2011, 06:47:31 am
I believe it is a electro magnetic disruption of some sort. I also use two rods. Mine are brazing rods without flux, bent to a 90 degree angle. When I cross over anything buried, I get a slight electric tingle in my hands, from the rods, and they turn inward.
Have you heard of people that find buried gold and silver using infrared photography? They claim the buried metels create an anomoly from the magnetic reactions with the sun. They say the more activity on the sun, the easier it is to detect.
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: VolunteerK9 on January 18, 2011, 12:13:08 pm
My dad can 'water witch' too. Its amazing to watch. He uses a forked branch and you can see the bark twist off the wood as it turns down.
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: AllenF on January 18, 2011, 02:36:07 pm
I use to find water lines with 2 pieces of #4 bare copper wire, but we don't do to much digging anymore with the construction bust.   The last couple of times, I just grabbed 2 of the plastic locater flags that they mark the underground utilities with.   Just pull the plastic flag off and bent the wire.   Bingo.  People think you are crazy using them, but they work.   
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: AllenF on January 18, 2011, 02:38:45 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divining_rod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divining_rod)
Title: Dowsing redux
Post by: Troutdog on June 18, 2012, 09:26:49 am
New to the forum but didn't see any further discussion on dowsing and thought I'd add a thing or two that can bring the relevance dowsing to beekeeping.
While most folks recognize the fact it works for water witching there is a whole lot of other energy fields we can measure with dowsing. One of these is in fact of huge importance to the bees and their stewards. There are energy lines that circulate electromagnetic force on t he earth and north of the equator they move from south to north and west to east. These are called Hartmann lines. They vary slightly based on latitude but are essentially 3 meters wide. The closer tot h e equator the wider and to the pole smaller.
Wherein these lines are easily detected using rods or whatever you chose here's the interesting thing I found.
Ever wonder why in a strip of hives one is doing really really well with many supers on top and others are not even close. Well me too! After a small sampling of 20 or so apiaries I noticed a trend of major production occurring when the hives were on at lease one of the lines and even more so when a hive was located on both a north and east line.  Further within my own apiary I have moved less productive hives to a grid point and have been quite satisfied with the rebound and increase both in health and output. Now I make no claims that this is the end all solution but I will say there is a phenomena occurring here that is worthy of quite a bit more research. I am curious for those of you that dowse or have a friend that dowses if you would let me know if you are observing the same in your continent and location. For the skeptics dowsing does indeed work and is an ancient art. Unfortunately there are quite a few flakes out there with notions that are not based in any science or deeper understanding of electromagnetic fields and earth science. Probably best to just learn to do it yourself and see what you see. It is a birthright as opposed to some hocus locus skill.  The key is To just stay relaxed and focused on what you are looking for "........in this case just focus on Hartmann energy lines. Find them and start to make a grid and see for yourself.

Thanks to all the great posters here and for the forum moderators.
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: beee farmer on June 26, 2014, 02:56:22 am
I used the double wire method all my life to find buried plumbing, telco and electric lines. I'd say overall I have averaged 80% hit rate.  Thought about it a lot and think that the subconscious is able to detect indications of previous ditching or plowing of the soils that the conscious is unable to see, thereby crossing the rods subconsciously.  Just a theory!  "I wanna Believe"
Title: Re: Below ground Locating
Post by: jayj200 on November 08, 2014, 09:40:29 am
hello BoBn:

     Very closely related is the act of holding a piece of thread to which a needle is attached and asking it questions.  Tell it how you want it to respond (such as transcribing a circle or swinging back and forth for either "yes" or "no")

    There are apparently "rules" as to what it will answer accurately and what it won't.  I can get lottery numbers all night long, but no winners.

   

use the numbers it does not chose