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MEMBER & GUEST INTERACTION SECTION => THE 2ND AMENDMENT => Topic started by: salvo on April 08, 2021, 09:46:11 am
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Hi Folks,
Legislation or Executive Order coming soon.
Is this Ghost Gun issue a Solution in search of a Problem? Are these ghost guns usually used to commit crimes? Who's using all these ghost guns to commit crimes?
What in heyoh IS a ghost gun anyway? See here:
https://www.ghostgunlaws.com/
Then see here:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-actions-gun-violence
Anybody out there own a ghost gun? DO NOT ANSWER THAT. THEY'RE WATCHING!
Sal
It's not paranoia when they're really after you.
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Are these ghost guns usually used to commit crimes?
The numbers are quit high 1:3
At what point does a republican stop blocking people who are looking for a solution and come up with a solution themselves? What is the point of having them in congress? They have been doing nothing for the better part of my life.
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Are these ghost guns usually used to commit crimes?
The numbers are quit high 1:3
At what point does a republican stop blocking people who are looking for a solution and come up with a solution themselves? What is the point of having them in congress? They have been doing nothing for the better part of my life.
Ace the Constitution is not just for the benefit any political party. In fact when the Constitution was written there was no Republican Party. It is for the benefit of America and all Americans. You of all people should know this. Wasn't you and your family required to take the citizenship test when you applied for citizenship?
Just one of the requirements necessary to become a citizen here as follows.
Allegiance to the United States
In order to become a U.S. citizen, you must demonstrate an "attachment" to the U.S. Constitution. "Attachment" simply means that you believe, support, and are willing to defend the principles of the U.S. Constitution by accepting the democratic process and promising to obey the law.
How do you demonstrate this "attachment"? You'll attend a public "swearing in" ceremony, where you and other naturalization applicants will recite the Oath of Allegiance, the final step of the naturalization process.
During the ceremony, you'll be asked to make sure that you understand the following:
You're taking the Oath of Allegiance voluntarily.
You're giving your full allegiance to the United States by renouncing your allegiance to all other countries where you claim citizenship.
You accept all the responsibilities of a U.S. citizen ? including military and civil service if necessary (see above) ? and have no intention of not fulfilling these duties.
You must complete this last step before you can become a U.S. citizen.
The rest can be found here.
https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resources/u-s-citizenship-requirements/
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Phil, The constitution makes no comment that restrictions can't be place on weapons, armament, bombs or chemical agents to curb the deaths of its citizens due to criminal activity.
I'll put you on the spot Phil, what is your solution as a republican that will ensure the safety of law abiding citizens. I am all ears.
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Phil, The constitution makes no comment that restrictions can't be place on weapons, armament, bombs or chemical agents to curb the deaths of its citizens due to criminal activity.
I'll put you on the spot Phil, what is your solution as a republican that will ensure the safety of law abiding citizens. I am all ears.
Thanks for your question Brian. First of all I do not consider myself a Republican as much as I consider our representatives who represent the Constitution. If your party were to suddenly, miraculously, clean up its act and follow The Constitution, I would be happy to lean your way instead of the other party which seems to be more Constitutionally minded. It is all about the Constitution.
> I'll put you on the spot Phil, what is your solution as a republican that will ensure the safety of law abiding citizens. I am all ears.
It's simple Brian. Dissolve or water down the second amendment. Take every capable modern firearm from every freeborn, law-abiding, American Citizen, such as the basic AR, Leaving its citizens at the mercy of radicle groups, extremest, building burners, murderers, thugs, thieves, crooks, outlaws of every type and description etc. Which by the way, will be well armed illegally with these these basic style weapons. Have our lame brain along with some corrupt politicians open our borders, devolve our military, or at least water it down, fire as many patriotic generals as possible. Leaving our good citizens and our country unable to protect themselves or their families in case of any of the above but even more importantly, any future threat foreign invasion, which is never beyond the realm of possibility no matter how slim or large the possibilities may be; then, dare those ridiculous citizens to say anything about it. After all, what did the founders of this country know anyway?
I am going to put you on the spot. What did your country of origin, Germany do about gun control just prior to WWII? What was their gun control plan. Or should we call it The People Control Plan? Hum; How did that work out for its citizens. In the beginning, (Jews and Christians)?
In the end, all its citizens and the world? I would have thought you out of all people would be more appreciative of the Constitution, and the second amendment more than anyone else?
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Well stated . I have a fried from Mexico and he told me he can buy AK47 from the cartel for 175$. These guns are wornout but they can spray bullets at an unbelievable rate. I wonder if selling this trash to dope dealers, is just another way to add profit to the coyotes. The AK47 is in the same class as the so called "ghost guns". Check it out, "How many cases have been solved by Law Enforcement" using the serial numbers on a gun, other than on TV.
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It's simple Brian. Dissolve or water down the second amendment. Take every capable modern firearm from every freeborn, law-abiding, American Citizen, such as the basic AR, Leaving its citizens at the mercy of radicle groups, extremest, building burners, murderers, thugs, thieves, crooks, outlaws of every type and description etc.
It appears the numbers go the other way.
https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/?city1=53651000&city2=51253000
The best way to lose your freedoms is to not address a problem. I am not against the AR 15 but I see a need to address the unlawful use of it. Spitting out words of a 200+ year old document that is outdated and left to interpretation is not the solution. Congress refuses to address the problem at the boarder so it will be dealt with by executive order according to who the voters put in office. The 200+ year old document is no help for the problems the country faces today. What paragraph addresses a pandemic?
It appears the lame brain is way out producing the past idiot who can take credit for many of the newer problems we are experiencing. Including at the boarder.
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Brian,
That 200 year old document is what made this country great. It is the politicians and judges that do not follow it that has caused 90 percent of the problems that we have today.
Every one of them has sworn to protect and defend it when sworn in but almost every one of them ignore that oath.
Jim Altmiller
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> The best way to lose your freedoms is to not address a problem.
Well said Brian, the problem is many folks do not seem to see where the problem lies.
> The 200+ year old document is no help for the problems the country faces today.
Brian is that what your family told the officials when you swore an oath to America and its Constitution as described in reply 2 when you immigrated here attempting to become citizens? Before or after taking the loyalty test and swearing an oath to America and its Constitution? I doubt these thoughts, feelings, and opinions were made known?
Immigrants are taken at there word and accepted as Americans citizens, after and only after taking that oath to uphold the constitution, (that old document). Being you are a full American Citizen, where do your loyalties lie if not to that old document, The Constitution?
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Brian,
That 200 year old document is what made this country great. It is the politicians and judges that do not follow it that has caused 90 percent of the problems that we have today.
Every one of them has sworn to protect and defend it when sworn in but almost every one of them ignore that oath.
Jim Altmiller
I agree Jim
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Hi Folks,
We will take America without firing a shot ... we will bury you!
We can?t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.
We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within. Nakita
Commies to the left of me! Nazis to the right! Here I am. Stuck in the middle with you.
Sal
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Im not studying Brian 😬, I know he really knows. He just likes a good old fashion friendly debate. lol
The old folks where I grew up would have loved to see him pulling up at the old country store gatherings. I do not know who would have the most fun, him or them. lol
:wink: :cheesy:
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Brian,
That 200 year old document is what made this country great.
I am afraid you are wrong here Jim it is not the document, it is the will of the "people" to stay together for the good of all that has made this country great. In 1861 the Confederates did not care what was written. Had the Confederates won the document would have only lasted 85 years. It is so ironic that the Trump supporters hold dear the constitution waving the confederate flag.
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Brian is that what your family told the officials when you swore an oath to America and its Constitution as described in reply 2 when you immigrated here attempting to become citizens? Before or after taking the loyalty test and swearing an oath to America and its Constitution? .
Phil, first of all I am a citizen of the US by injection. I was born here. My father immigrated to the US at the age of 3. He took and oath and fought in WWII against the Germans. And he never spoke much about what happened over there. Having never touched a gun he became a sharp shooter in the army. He said because he had to be taught the right way to handle it having learned no bad habits. My father wasn't much of a sportsman. He owned a bolt action 410 but I can count on one hand the number of times he went hunting. His focus was on supporting a family making sawdust and pounding nails. He was conservative but not so conservative that he did not change with the times. Before he retired he was using industrial nail guns.
A 200 year old document needs to change to keep up with the times. There is a provision within the document to make changes but we have lost that ability to make any changes mainly because money has more influence in our countries laws then votes do.
We came the closest we have ever come since 1861 to throwing out the constitution during the Trump era. It was a close call and the damage is not over.
Again such irony that you hold the document so dear yet support the man that attempted to throw it out.
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I appreciate you telling the rest of the story and the honor and loyalty that your Dad had for our country, his country. A true patriot from your description. That just adds to the question, shouldn?t you even more than many others, through his example of loyalty to freedom and his defending our Country and Constitution, support that same Constitution?
Exactly what is it that you wish to change?
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I am always surprised to hear people say that the constitution is not absolute. It is the LAW.
The 200+ year old document is no help for the problems the country faces today.
So let's get rid of the right to assemble, as it is being used as an excuse to riot. Free speech should go because people are saying mean and nasty things. I think you can take any amendment and say that it should not apply now because we have bad things happening.
I don't disagree that we currently have problems. Violence is a result of something. Not the cause of something. What has changed in our society that makes people feel it is OK to attack others, burn buildings, scream at people for what they wear or who they support, etc.? Why are crazy people on the streets degrading life for everyone?
When we got tired of violence in the 70s and 80s and started cracking down, all violent crime went down dramatically and stayed down until recently. And what have we been doing recently?
At what point does a republican stop blocking people who are looking for a solution and come up with a solution themselves?
I agree that this is not a party issue except to the extent that the left, mostly dems, wish to go after the weapons that are legally held rather than to after the criminals that are not going to follow any laws in the first place.
My solution? enforce the laws on the books. Put people in jail and keep them there. build more jails if you need to.
Make sure that your local law enforcement is doing their job so that people (like the guy in FL) have a record and can't legally buy weapons. Institutionalize mentally ill people who are not staying on or responding to medications. A mother just stabbed her 3 kids to death and her estranged husband had been begging for help in getting the kids away from her.
Banning a weapon because of how it looks is not a solution. It is a step toward banning other weapons that work in the same way, and are used in most crimes, namely semi-auto handguns. There is no difference in how semi-auto weapons work. One of the most lethal weapons is a shotgun. The most easily concealed and carried, a handgun. least used in mass shootings? any kind of rifle.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/
Fix the people problem. The 2nd amendment is the only one that people feel comfortable messing with. Given the current leftist bent of our politics, I guarantee it will not be the last.
And to the original question: "Ghost guns" as described by our president, are generally something that hobbyists make. They can create a weapon to their own specs. It's not cheap or all that easy to create a reliable weapon. Have they been used in crimes? yes, but not often. It's much easier and cheaper for a criminal to buy a gun on the streets.
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I agree that this is not a party issue except to the extent that the left, mostly dems, wish to go after the weapons that are legally held rather than to after the criminals that are not going to follow any laws in the first place.
That is because the right mostly repubs bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the problem. I believe it is better to do something even if it is wrong because there is always a chance it will work. The repubs like to be associated with friends of the men in blue except when it comes to gun control.
Have they been used in crimes? yes, but not often. It's much easier and cheaper for a criminal to buy a gun on the streets.
Not true, your not up to date. Money is no object for gangs and the drug lords. No serial number ... not traceable. What is wrong with making these guns traceable? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
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That is because the right mostly repubs bury their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the problem. I believe it is better to do something even if it is wrong because there is always a chance it will work. The repubs like to be associated with friends of the men in blue except when it comes to gun control.
No, we recognize that there is a problem. We don't agree with leftists about what that problem is. You think it's guns. I think it's people and ineffective enforcement of existing laws.
If you can prove that it is legal ownership of weapons, make your case. Show the correlation between gun ownership numbers and gun crime.
I can show you the opposite using Portland as an example. Portland and all of Oregon is pretty white however the gang problem is mostly minorities, black and hispanic. The Portland police had an effective gun violence reduction team, but when the city council and idiot mayor decided to cut police funding, they specifically cut the gun violence team. Why? Because they said that the team disproportionately arrested minorities. Guess what happened when they cut that team? In a panic, they decided to add some of the money back to the police, but not to reinstate the team. Instead, they are sending out touchy-feely people to talk the gangs out of being violent.
Think that will work? The police don't. They are quitting in droves.
Now, apply your "doing something might work" theory to other things. Older people driving are more apt to have and cause accidents. We could refuse to license anyone over 60 and maybe reduce that risk. More kids drown in backyard pools than die by gun accidents. outlaw backyard pools fewer kids might die. I bet you can think of a few more ways we could do things that MIGHT work.
Not true, your not up to date. Money is no object for gangs and the drug lords. No serial number ... not traceable. What is wrong with making these guns traceable? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
Give me up to date stats then.
You are correct. Money is no object. Even so, it is far easier and cheaper to buy a stolen gun off the streets than to sit down a build one to commit a crime. If a gun is recovered from a gang banger, the only good serial numbers do is to make it easy to trace the gun back to the last legal owner. You can't stop the crime with a serial number, and it has no impact on the prosecution of the criminal except may to ad weapons theft to the charges.
Same goes for drug lords except that they got a lovely gift of weapons from our government few years ago and we do know that those have been used in crimes including murders.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/furious-guns-tied-to-2010-juarez-massacre-other-murders-in-mexico
If you can explain to me how any of the proposals will stop gun crime, I am listening. The only people impacted by laws are those willing to follow them in the first place.
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i do not believe I really know some answer to crazy people wanting to hurt them selves and wanting to hurt others or be famous regardless to cost to self or others. They say 90 percent of the populous is for tougher background checks and such. I admit to not being part of that 90 percent. I know of all most no one in my life that has not received or given a gun as a xmas or other present. The thing about a gun is that is is sorta like gold and is not like a car where you lose 30 percent to eventually the car being worth nothing. The gun may lose 30 percent but will eventually regain it and so has a value that is lasting. I am selfish enough to want to not be hindered in this.
I have no doubt that my feelings might be different were I directly effected by some bad effect or even and accident of my own and might wish I have never seen a gun. I recognize this possibility and feel empathy to those that have been effected but am selfish enough to not want to lose what I have did my whole life with out ill effect.
I quit the nra many years ago due to the stance they had that being hard on crime was the answer cause I was more of the mind that violence begets violence and have chaffed at every rule that made things harder on me personally. The war on drugs is probably the thing that has made america have 25 percent world prison population. I do not communicate well enough to get my thoughts across in the amount of words that I am willing to type. It is something like if jay walking was a death sentence you might be willing to shoot back rather then be caught for jay walking.
The worthless suckers that like to harm others don't really seem to be that discriminating about their ideology to cause harm. I base this on the news media reporting and how what is being reported always seem to cause some kind of copy cat. I could be wrong on this and it could be that each bad thing is happening and they are not reporting some of it. It does from the outside seem that there are trends based on what is being reported though. Serial killers, school shootings, churches/religion, gays, capital, etc.. they all seem to happen in little spurts based on the first ones reported on. Sorta which came first the chicken or the egg.
So all this come back to one place in my mind. You got to accept that some are going to want to cause harm to others and those need to be punished and you do not get that done by punishing innocents' in an effort to punish them. You can not guess your way to who is willing to hurt themselves and others but can more only react to what they do. There may be some exceptions but over all it is the bad guy who get to decide how bad he is willing to be.
Pushing people into corners by making things harder on them does not in my mind make for nicer people.
I don't really know an answer and sorta just muddle through life doing what I do. I know that I intend to hurt no one and so chaff at things that make life harder or different for me just to mess with some bad guy.
If I am ever attacked and innocent, it will be a wrong done to me and I would hope to have every chance to defend myself and hope that others might be able to help defend me but it will be the bad guy that decides what he is going to do. I want there to be risk for him and I want there to be justice for me but realize the risk of living the way I am and accept it with my fingers crossed. I can not think of a alternative way to live that I would accept better but admit that I have not faced some bad and might have a different view if I had but am where I am now.
In my mind, you should get away with a whole lot as long as you do not personally cause real pain to others whether people agree or not and if you cause real pain to others, you should be stomped on.
My gooby gook for the day.
Cheers
gww
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It all boils down to what Captain Call told Knute when he pitched him the colt and holster in the movie Lonesome Dove. "It's better to have this and not need it, than it is to need it and not have it."
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GWW,
Wow, you sound just like a libertarian.
If there were more support for libertarianism I would totally support it.
Jim Altmiller
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Jim
You make the same mistake my brother makes. He says I am libertarian also but I mostly vote democrate. Doesn't mean I like every thing any of them do. I like unions and my grandma only survived due to wic and so it is pretty hard to fit in if you ask me. I mostly just dislike the republicans more then I dislike the democrates.
My drug stance would be more libratarian also. Not cause I want to take them just cause it seems self inflicted and nobody's business.
In the end out of all of them you only get to vote for a platform which none of will be all things I like and so I don't mind having elections every four years to try and make corrections as we go. My experience with all is that it seems most times that the things I really want don't happen but the things I don't do no matter who wins. In the end though, I live in a place with the fewest rules in my state and seem to get by no matter what happens out in the real world.
Cheers
gww
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He says I am libertarian also but I mostly vote democrate.
You do seem to have libertarian leanings. That you vote Democrat is kinda surprising since there is nothing libertarian about them! I would think you would be more of a constitutional conservative. If the constitution is followed as written, it is libertarian.
The fact that you know someone who used welfare does not mean they would not have survived without it. It just means they used welfare that was offered. Those things should be done by states if the state wishes and without federal dollars. Charities would be my first choice if people are really in need.
Probably a debate for another time. :wink:
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Kathy
dui check points and search a seizure laws seem unconstitutional to me since things are taken prior to going to court.
Who goes so much by the constitution that it is safe to vote for them? They all seem pretty choosy on when to follow and when to not. It was a republican who wanted to be able to listen in on private discussions between lawyers and clients (one I voted for just once, my mistake). I could name other things also.
I live in a republican state and they snuck a bill and tax to support it to put a meter on my private well. Good for them that they rescinded it due to hell being raised. I guess it is lucky they snuck it in cause that made people come together even harder to put more pressure on them.
I find fault with all of them but on the other hand I sure do not want to do it myself and so just do my best as it goes.
Cheers
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Kathy
dui check points and search a seizure laws seem unconstitutional to me since things are taken prior to going to court.
Who goes so much by the constitution that it is safe to vote for them? They all seem pretty choosy on when to follow and when to not. It was a republican who wanted to be able to listen in on private discussions between lawyers and clients (one I voted for just once, my mistake). I could name other things also.
I live in a republican state and they snuck a bill and tax to support it to put a meter on my private well. Good for them that they rescinded it due to hell being raised. I guess it is lucky they snuck it in cause that made people come together even harder to put more pressure on them.
I find fault with all of them but on the other hand I sure do not want to do it myself and so just do my best as it goes.
Cheers
It is true that there are a lot of republicans that are not conservatives. In my state, I've even voted for a few dems that were more conservative than the republicans running. It was for local stuff. In general, I find myself voting for the best of the worse, but in national elections, I almost always find that the republicans give me a better shot at preserving freedoms than the dems if only because they can be counted on part of the time to block the crazy leftist stuff :cheesy:
I voted for McCain, someone I long detested, because he was better than the alternative when it came to overall ideology. It physically pained me to do it...
Same with Trump the first time, but I was pleasantly surprised by his policies if not by his personality. :tongue:
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You think it's guns.
Actually I do not. I think it is more the marketing of guns and the glorification of certain guns with the intent of profiting knowing full well that the use of these guns will be used for criminal intent. The AR-15 is a primary example. The NRA is a corrupt organization not focused on protecting the 2nd amendment but on promoting membership from extremists and white supremacist. Essentially money and political power.
Kathy, how would you feel if a medical supply company was openly marketing condoms and latex gloves to a rapist as a rape kit complete with instructions? Should condoms and gloves be banned? That is ridiculous. Right? But how about banning a company from marketing their products to criminals? Would you be OKay with that? It took a long time to ban cigarette commercials on TV. And it helped. But capitalist don't give up. They switched to marketing vaping to youngsters.
My elementary education was in a parochial school. What they taught you was that your freedom and liberties were not protected if you did not show responsibility. They were the first to go. We desperately need that to be taught in public schools today.
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In general, I find myself voting for the best of the worse, but in national elections, I almost always find that the republicans give me a better shot at preserving freedoms than the dems if only because they can be counted on part of the time to block the crazy leftist stuff :cheesy:
They are outnumbered and making it worse for themselves. The majority of people are fed up with a do nothing congress. If all you do is block and offer no solutions then your days are numbered.
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kathy
The fact that you know someone who used welfare does not mean they would not have survived without it.
Some people survived auschwitz but survival is not how I look at it. I look at it more at what was most help. My moms and dads family were both sorta poor but dads was no where near like my moms. Both were large families.
Mom grew up in some places that you could see the outside light through the walls. This was while her dad was still alive. her dad died when I was about one year old. I have an uncle that was only two years older then me and so when her dad died her mom still had probably five young children at home. The part I remember is the house that is just as iddee mentioned he grew up in with no water and out houses and the whole nine yards. Having a wash pan to wash your hands in.
So now to what helped. There was charities. I remember getting opened toys and coats and such at xmas and it being welcome. I also remember eating many sandwiches of bread dipped in bacon grease with slices of garden tomato and onion and many whole meals of just potato mostly french fries.
Now I never noticed it being so bad it being this way as for as life goes but can see how much worse it would have been if hunger would have been worse though it was not perfect as it was.
What did help was the regularity of the cheese, Hard peanut butter, corn syrup, milk that came much more regular then the charity stuff which did help also.
I will say circumstances were so much better and with many more options in my parents and also my life in comparison cause at the bottom there was no choices except pure survival.
So looking at the few things that helped the most, it did come down to the regularity of what the government did not that there was no help from charities here and there.
I can not look down on my grandma but more look up to her cause fate gave her a pretty tough hoe to roe and she did what she could.
When the kids were old enough to watch themselves, she worked at some minimum wage jobs cause they were available to her as here carreer started pretty late in life.
I am very seldom jealous that some one might get something they did not work for cause I would not trade my situation for theirs any day.
Cheers
gww
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> The NRA is a corrupt organization not focused on protecting the 2nd amendment but on promoting membership from extremists and white supremacist. Essentially money and political power.
Is that is what the NRA is about Brian? I don't know. Or could it be more made from scratch bunkum and propaganda spreading your are proclaiming or repeating? Mark Robinson (a self described history lover), describes bunkum spreading folks who oppose the constitution and the second amendment as marxist and socialist folks which he says have hijacked the word and meaning of the word liberalism. He goes on to say such people are enemies of the constitution, enemies of freedom, enemies of law abiding loving American Citizens...
This NRA backing man is not a white man. In fact, (since it seems to be so important to you), he is a black man. This man went on to be elected as Lieutenant Governor of NC; serving as the 35th and current Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina since 2021. His color does not matter in this SOUTHERN STATE. Mr Robinson is loved for his agenda of love for his country, love of The Constitution, love for his state, love for his fellow man, love for his family, and his love of The Lord Jesus Christ. Just a few samples of what does matters to the citizens in North Carolina. Which once again proves the lefts continuously nasty remarks of highlighting the right, and anyone who opposes their agenda, as white supremacist proving once again, by an entire state to be pure made up lies and bunkum, the FAVORITE tool of the left, race, always attempting using it as a tool of division of our citizens. Why? Shame.......
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Actually I do not. I think it is more the marketing of guns and the glorification of certain guns with the intent of profiting knowing full well that the use of these guns will be used for criminal intent. The AR-15 is a primary example. The NRA is a corrupt organization not focused on protecting the 2nd amendment but on promoting membership from extremists and white supremacist. Essentially money and political power.
Kathy, how would you feel if a medical supply company was openly marketing condoms and latex gloves to a rapist as a rape kit complete with instructions? Should condoms and gloves be banned? That is ridiculous. Right? But how about banning a company from marketing their products to criminals? Would you be OKay with that? It took a long time to ban cigarette commercials on TV. And it helped. But capitalist don't give up. They switched to marketing vaping to youngsters.
My elementary education was in a parochial school. What they taught you was that your freedom and liberties were not protected if you did not show responsibility. They were the first to go. We desperately need that to be taught in public schools today.
Can you show where guns are marketed to criminals? Would anyone need to market guns to criminals?
How many rifles of any kind are used in a crime? Are they also marketing handguns, knives, bb bats, etc. to criminals?
If a person is a criminal, they can't legally purchase a gun. What would be the point of marketing to them?
You were taught the wrong thing in school. What you should have been taught is that there are consequences for choices. If you make bad choices you lose YOUR freedom, you do not take it from everyone else.
You keep repeating the leftist description of the NRA. The NRA is a lot of things but the one reason I support them is to protect me from uninformed people like you.
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If you make bad choices you lose YOUR freedom, you do not take it from everyone else.
I thought you came from a military background. One screw ball most certainly affects the freedom for everyone else. Can't believe you said that.
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This NRA backing man is not a white man. In fact, (since it seems to be so important to you), he is a black man. .
Phil, he is the first. Explain to me why he is the first. Why there aren't 20 others? If you took a poll in NC and asked the question, "Would you approve of your daughter marrying a black man?" How do you think that poll would turn out? I know how it would turn out. So you can forget about all this other nonsense.
His color does not matter in this SOUTHERN STATE. Mr Robinson is loved for his agenda of love for his country, love of The Constitution, love for his state, love for his fellow man, love for his family, and his love of The Lord Jesus Christ.
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"Is that is what the NRA is about Brian? I don't know."
Neither does he.
Brian's idea of white supremacist, and yes, I voted for him.
Mark Robinson
American Politician
Mark Keith Robinson is an American politician serving as the 35th and current Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina since 2021. A member of the Republican Party, he is the first African American to hold the office.Wikipedia
Born:
Mark Keith Robinson, August 8, 1968, Greensboro, North Carolina, U.S.
Political party:
Republican
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Yolanda Hill
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I thought you came from a military background. One screw ball most certainly affects the freedom for everyone else. Can't believe you said that.
You also don't get to exercise all of your constitutional rights in the military. When you sign on the dotted line and take that oath it is to support and defend the Constitution. You are under the authority of the UCMJ and many of your rights, like free speech, and gathering, are either suspended or amended.
I can't believe that's the only part of my comment that merited a response from you.
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Phil, he is the first. Explain to me why he is the first. Why there aren't 20 others? If you took a poll in NC and asked the question, "Would you approve of your daughter marrying a black man?" How do you think that poll would turn out? I know how it would turn out. So you can forget about all this other nonsense.
The NRA does not keep demographic info on members. The race, gender, party, or lifestyle of members has no relevance. That said, I know a number of black and other minority members of either the NRA or National African American Gun Association, which is a newish group with over 30,000 members. 60% are black women. Not all of their members are black. I think it's a great idea because people should learn and associate where they are and where they are comfortable.
You might quiz some black parents on how they feel about their kids marrying either white or (God forbid) Asians. Most of them are not thrilled. It happens even among friends. My son has a very good friend from college and he is black. When my son met the guys father, the father was suspicious of this white kid wanting to be friends with his black son. Neither of the kids thought anything of it. We didn't think anything of it. In fact, he was the one who walked me down the aisle to be seated at my sons wedding and I don't think anyone gave it any thought...except maybe my very racist MIL, the democrat. Yes, the same one who only skipped voting twice in her 99 year life because she wouldn't vote for a republican and she wouldn't vote for Obama.
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This NRA backing man is not a white man. In fact, (since it seems to be so important to you), he is a black man. .
Phil, he is the first. Explain to me why he is the first. Why there aren't 20 others? If you took a poll in NC and asked the question, "Would you approve of your daughter marrying a black man?" How do you think that poll would turn out? I know how it would turn out. So you can forget about all this other nonsense.
His color does not matter in this SOUTHERN STATE. Mr Robinson is loved for his agenda of love for his country, love of The Constitution, love for his state, love for his fellow man, love for his family, and his love of The Lord Jesus Christ.
Brian he is not the first. The folks that you are listening to would very much have you believe that he is the first. There are many patriotic Americans of all races. The binder IS the constitution, not a member of a specific race. In fact with your present state of mind, you might be shocked to see just how many folks are wise to the bunkum of the left. Don King is one, yes the same Don King who was the manager for and of Mohamed Ali, Hershel Walker is another, Fifty cent is another, and on and on it goes. Wake up Brian. Many red blooded Americans are already awake to the shenanigans of the misleading left.
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There are a fair number of Dems switching parties and they are of all races. That scares the dems. What do Dems offer? Stuff. If people don't need or want stuff, Dems have nothing to offer. They need a permanent underclass to "help". Since they need that underclass, they have no interest in regular people of any race doing better. Fortunately, people are waking up this. Might be an explanation for the open borders thing that's going on.
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Many red blooded Americans are already awake to the shenanigans of the misleading left.
The American people did wake up. They picked sleepy Joe and a black woman over Trump. As a Trump supporter you follow in his footsteps ... twist the truth, blame the other guy for what you are guilty of.
All politicians are misleading. Doesn't matter at all what party they are affiliated with.
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Mark Robinson
American Politician
Mark Keith Robinson is an American politician serving as the 35th and current Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina since 2021. A member of the Republican Party, he is the first African American to hold the office.Wikipedia
Look here Phil, he was the first.
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> The American people did wake up. They picked sleepy Joe and a black woman over Trump. As a Trump supporter you follow in his footsteps ... twist the truth, blame the other guy for what you are guilty of.
All politicians are misleading. Doesn't matter at all what party they are affiliated with.
No they did not wake up. They were Hypnotized with hate from, and by, the lefts Democratic leaders.
There you go again. Picking on poor Mr Trump. He is out and gone. Yet you are still obsessed. At least he had the economy on the right path. Unlike this dummy you so proudly boast about electing.
How do you like paying 90 plus dollars for a sheet of 3/4 4x8 plywood? How long do you thing the economy can continue to prosper? We can thank YOU; Mr Biden green new deal supporter for the effects we are already beginning experiencing from such an incompetent leader and administration, and only three months in. Your man is leading alright, straight down the road to destruction. I suppose that is exactly what you on the left wanted and like since you so strongly supported and continue to support him. How can we blame him? We all knew the score there. After all how can he be expected to be any smarter than those proud supporters who elected him? Your failing policies are once again proving disastrous for America and Americans. I have also noticed a lack of coal being transported on RR cars for the last couple weeks . Do you on the left know what that means? Yet you call yourselves woke? It means energy will soon follow lumber prices. Even though America had the cleanest coal in the WORLD. Biden, your choice not mine. As you so proudly boast. Goodness. :shocked: :tongue: :wink:
From a friend just yesterday
One sheet of 3/4 plywood is 96$. 1/2 is 48$
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The American people did wake up. They picked sleepy Joe and a black woman over Trump. As a Trump supporter you follow in his footsteps ... twist the truth, blame the other guy for what you are guilty of.
All politicians are misleading. Doesn't matter at all what party they are affiliated with.
This is a little OT, but the left is constantly telling us how racist this country is. Isn't it odd that in such a nasty racist country, so many find it convenient to ID as a minority and more often than not, black? Of course, that's not an exclusive choice because we have to factor in people like Pocahontas. :grin:
Why didn't the Veep ID as Indian? Why did Obama insist he was black when pointing out that he was 1/2 white should have been an advantage in a racist country? There are more examples.
Just a random observation before coffee.
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White people have determined that if you have just the slightest amount of black DNA you are black. Black people didn't make that rule. So keep sipping your coffee and think about that. Try to understand what racism is and how to recognize it.
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White people have determined that if you have just the slightest amount of black DNA you are black. Black people didn't make that rule. So keep sipping your coffee and think about that. Try to understand what racism is and how to recognize it.
Brian, I do not like to keep disputing you my friend but the (black leaders on the left), along with the rest of the folks who are rioting, looting, and burning over the latest publicized police shooting, say they are doing it because the police killed a black man. Yet his mother is clearly white?
Where do you get all these off the wall ideas my friend? Black folks say he is black on national tv. Actually he is a mixture of both. Your inaccurate statement about white folks, sounds just like the echo of some of the race dividing news anchors on some of these news stations. You really need to find better news sources. Don't fall prey to the brainwashing effects of the race dividing media. Their income and power comes from hate and division promoting. Wake up, we are all Americans what ever our race.
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ben framed
Ace is correct in his statement that you highlighted. This is true whether you are willing to admit it or not. It has always been that way including when a slave master raped a slave and the baby she had was a slave when it was born. You must not have watched too many cowboy movies where the half breed was not served alcohol cause he was a half breed.
You must know better then what you just typed.
Cheers
gww
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ben framed
Ace is correct in his statement that you highlighted. This is true whether you are willing to admit it or not. It has always been that way including when a slave master raped a slave and the baby she had was a slave when it was born. You must not have watched too many cowboy movies where the half breed was not served alcohol cause he was a half breed.
You must know better then what you just typed.
Cheers
gww
Well lets go back a century and a half ago. To the time of some of the Movie pretrials of Cowboys and Indians. The times of slaves and slave owners. What I do know about slavery, is the party of Slavery at the time of slavery is the Demarcate Party whether you are willing to admit it or not, the same party that Ace promotes today, You too? Surely you know better than what you typed? :wink:
Adding as I also said to Ace. "Wake up, we are all Americans what ever our race."
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benframed
The church had inquisitions but many still go to church and can look at its pasts and put it into the proper light that it deserves to be looked at. Those going to church can still recognize fact compared to fiction with out having to change facts to fictional stories.
You know better then what you typed.
Cheers
gww
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benframed
The church had inquisitions but many still go to church and can look at its pasts and put it into the proper light that it deserves to be looked at. Those going to church can still recognize fact compared to fiction with out having to change facts to fictional stories.
You know better then what you typed.
Cheers
gww
Which part of either of my last two post is not true and we will go from there. The only way you can hope to make it not true is in your attempts to twist it. Of course you already know this. You know better than what you typed.
Incase you did not get it in the last two post, once to Ace and once again quoting to remind you, I will say it a third time. "Wake up, we are all Americans what ever our race." Do you agree or is this something you can not agree on or accept for whatever reason?
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White people have determined that if you have just the slightest amount of black DNA you are black. Black people didn't make that rule. So keep sipping your coffee and think about that. Try to understand what racism is and how to recognize it.
You are correct that 150 years ago this was the standard. Now people can ID as anything they wish to. Not my point. If minorities were being held back because they are minorities and we have such a problem with white racists, people would do their best not to identify as any kind of minority.
I do recognize racism. I recognize that there are racist people. I recognize that there are racist people of all races. What I reject is the notion that we have a racist country. There are a number of ways to evaluate this. One way is to look at the number of people coming into this country and trying to come in, both legally and illegally. We take in over 1 million legal immigrants each year. We know that Asian immigrants tend to do well in the US no matter where they have come from. Another group that does really well both in assimilation and economically, is black people coming from Africa. It's not as large a group, but they become citizens at a high rate, earn well, become or are fluent in English and integrate into American life.
While it is popular for our US press to tell us all blacks in this country are oppressed, it is not true. Still, if you take a measure of the part of the black population that is not doing well, and compare them to black immigrants, you can see what might be culturally different that would account for the disparity.
There are some things we know make a difference in future success and it doesn't matter your race or ethnicity. A two-parent home is one of the first indicators, yet over 1/3 of black children live in, many born into, single parent homes. Compare that to immigrant groups and you have the first reason that so many black children start behind other groups.
Why did this happen? I highly recommend reading or watching Thomas Sowell. He's a black economist who has studied the breakdown of the black family.
"The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life."
Thomas Sowell
https://ammo.com/articles/lbj-great-society-war-on-poverty-welfare-state-helped-ruin-black-communities
Also Walter E Williams, who recently passed, but was brilliant.
https://winteryknight.com/2020/06/12/two-black-economists-explain-how-to-end-poverty-in-america-2/
Maybe groups that claim concern for blacks in this country should be holding up these guys and those like them as examples to black youth, rather than screaming about dead criminals and giving them big splashy funerals (in the middle of COVID) as if their lives and deaths were something to aspire to?
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Oh, and if you have Prime, there are two good shows on there for a different perspective. One is Uncle Tom and the other is Thomas Sowell doc. If you search Prime Video with his name it will come up.
Since the press only gives one side of any story, learning the other side is useful if you want to form informed opinions.
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benframed
Which part of either of my last two post is not true
In your first post you said ace was wrong and then pointed out how right he was by pointing out what people were saying that you disagree with cause you say we are all americans. You can feel that way but the actions of others that you wrote show what ace was saying. It should change to how you look at it but has not and is a continuation of the old cowboy movies in modern day. You are pointing out that rioting cause a black man was killed is wrong cause the guy was not black and yet as ace says, todays society recognizes him as black and a white mother did not change that at all. I know you were saying it was black people calling him black and not mixed but white people besides you are not contesting this and from looking and not knowing genetics or seeing his mother he is physically black and white and black have eyes.
Your post gives the insinuation that people are rioting over a lie which is a lie itself and you show it is the rioting that bothers you more then the police killing of a black man. It is a position but not one everyone has.
the same party that Ace promotes today, You too?
The insinuation is that the party holds the same platform that it used to hold and then it is bad that they can be supported. I do not know better then what I typed when I pointed out that the church has a past also and the your logic would have to apply to them also. It is your logic and not mine as I can tell the difference from history and today. We both pointed out history and the only difference is on which histories are still pertinent today. The fact that a black man that has a white mother can still be a black man in the eyes of society is one that is still pertinent currently. You mentioning black leaders recognizing this does not mean that white people position on this is not the reason black leaders recognize it. They see what ace sees and for some portion of society is not ancient history but a continuation of history.
I could say I pay taxes and so all cops work for me and I might have some sorta sound logic in that position but if a cop wanted to exercise authority wrongly that was given to him over me, it would still be factual that he could and could abuse his authority and it would not help me because I just believe something.
So I believe we are all americans but don't try and contend that because I believe that that that is factual practice in america but more and asperation to work towards. Your lie is to make the case that it is fact rather then should be fact. Your lie is you said ace was wrong and insinuated the work was done already and we are all americans and those black people are wrong cause they did not reconize this and are rioting.
Would what you are implying be true, there are some black poeple that would be alive today and there would also be no riots. But, you know better then what you typed.
Cheers
gww
Kathy
I agree with some of your points. One, there are racist of all kinds of people on all sides. Two, america is the land of opportunity, however it will always be two steps forward and one step back just like my personal live and so needs continual effort for improvement where there are still issues.
Cheers
gww
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You could not be more wrong.
I am sorry it went over your head. I ask you what part I said was not true. Instead you give me your twisted (interpretation) of your wide imagination. Your interpretation could not be more wrong. Go back and read it again, this time without predigest. Maybe you will get it. But I rather doubt it..
Ace said white folks create the narrative of who is portrayed and considered white or black. I simply pointed with an open minded opinion of Kathys before coffee thoughts. The most recent example of a tragedy, black leaders pointed out the man was black. When we all know he was partly white. I recognize the man was at least partly white. Do you get it now?
This is what happens when race baiting folks bring race into the picture and grooms hate, opening the door for peoples emotions, who may already have or harbor a hint of racial prejudice flowing in their veins. Opening the door to confusion as you are demonstrating now. It?s sad that some folks can only see black and white as you and Ace, but can not read and understand what is written in black and white without attempting to twist it for bad for your own gratification. Shame
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benframed
I see you added to the post asking me to point out a lie. It was not there when I answered but does not change anything. I see you still do not get it cause this last post of yours is but a repeat of what you said in your earlier post. You can recognize the man was at least partly white? Good for you but out of context of saying what ace pointed out was wrong. This effort of showing ace was wrong was how you used the fact that you recognized the guy was partly white. You typing that did not show that what ace said was wrong about racist in society.
The only thing going over any ones head is believing that what you typed discounted the point ace was making. Shame.
Cheers
gww
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> benframed
I see you added to the post asking me to point out a lie. It was not there when I answered
No my invitation to you was if I wrote something that was not true in those last two post to point it out and we would go from there. The word lie is yours. So let?s use your word lie. My last edit of that post was 1:07. Your response post was 2:27 so yes it was there. There may be lies told here but it is not me. Ha
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Your post gives the insinuation that people are rioting over a lie which is a lie itself and you show it is the rioting that bothers you more then the police killing of a black man. It is a position but not one everyone has.
The only part of the story that is true is that a black man was shot by a cop. They are not robbing liquor stores and burning things down because a black man was shot by a cop. they are using that as an excuse to behave badly. Where I live, it's a bunch of white miscreants burning things down, so the rioting is not race-specific.
Additionally, the press has lied repeatedly about all of the shooting starting with "hands up, don't shoot" which started this mess.
We need to separate the facts from this latest shooting and look at them logically. 1. The cop made an inexcusable mistake and should be punished. 2. The guy had a couple of warrants out for his arrest, the first of which the press has conveniently ignored. He is accused of Aggravated armed robbery and jumping bail. The second one was the illegal possession of a firearm and fleeing police.
The things he was accused of and his past behavior are what spun up the police. It was not his race. They ran his plates and knew his history.
There are some questions we should be asking. Why does the press continually lie about these people. Why are career criminals held up as examples to the community? Why do we accept and expect that a segment of the population will riot when they don't get the outcomes they want, or when something happens to a career criminal in their community.
Look at the riots across the country. Someone is funding them. Someone outfits them in the same riot gear, provides weapons, etc. Who gains from this stuff? Certainly not the community, or the country.
We fixate on the wrong things and by the time we wake up, the BLM Antifa Marxist types both in and out of government have destroyed the country.
Two, america is the land of opportunity, however it will always be two steps forward and one step back just like my personal live and so needs continual effort for improvement where there are still issues.
Cheers
But that is also not race-specific. The white kid born to a crack mom starts out behind the black kid born into a stable family. The immigrant with little language or work skills starts out behind the black man who has an education and job skills. If I go down to the low-income housing in my area, regardless of race, I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone there who is not there because they made bad choices and then did nothing to correct.
The current move to teach critical race theory and divide us is not going to do anything to improve anyones life, nor is it intended to. The goal is to break the country, destroy the ideal of meritocracy, and remake things as people like Rashida Tlaib envision them. Marxism has never worked except for the people in control, but it certainly does provide equity in misery.
Let's not take our eye off the ball, because they have a goal and we are being stupidly distracted.
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benframed
No my invitation to you was if I wrote something that was not true in those last two post to point it out and we would go from there. The word lie is yours. So let?s use your word lie. My last edit of that post was 1:07. Your response post was 2:27 so yes it was there. There may be lies told here but it is not me. Ha
Of course it took a bit of time for me to type and post and read what was posted before I hit enter and so I guess it is questionable on whether that took a minute and twenty second but my guess is it did. Call it how you want though.
kathy
I like cops when they are heros and don't like them when they are zeros. I also don't like that they spend more time on revenue raising then solving crime. I have been pulled over when I was guilty and did not even like it much then cause guilt is situational but also have been pulled over due to cop boredom or hope to meet quotas at times when I was the only one on the road and doing nothing wrong but put through the game of hoping to get a dui or find some other thing to charge for. They made no effort when my house was robbed but do fine on my speeding tickets or small stupid stuff like forgetting to dim my lights or something so they might find other stuff. I think the press makes a good point if they are pulling guns for some kind of marijuana charge or warrant when half the country is legalizing it. I guess how far they go depends on perspective.
I must run with a bad crowd cause I know lots with some kind of record that I don't see as dangerous enough to kill them over.
I believe cops could be much more useful then just revenue earners.
Cheers
gww
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> I see you added to the post asking me to point out a lie. It was not there when I answered
No my invitation to you was if I wrote something that was not true in those last two post to point it out and we would go from there. The word lie is yours. So let?s use your word lie. My last edit of that post was 1:07. Your response post was 2:27 so yes it was there. There may be lies told here but it is not me. Ha
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> Of course it took a bit of time for me to type and post and read what was posted before I hit enter and so I guess it is questionable on whether that took a minute and twenty second but my guess is it did. Call it how you want though.
gww, there is a big difference between 1 minute and 20 seconds and 1 hour and 20 minutes as in this case. Goodness man I know you can do better. 😊 Have you been in the sauce today? 😊
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Ben framed
Two things. I might have took me an hour and twenty minutes to type, I am bad but I will give you that one and say you are correct and also tell you I have to go back and fix after I post many times if I want a prayer of what I typed to be understood by others or even myself.
I apologize for getting it wrong and even if I would have been correct don't truly see it as too big of a deal if done fairly close to the original post. I am always adding ps for things I did not get into what I post.
On the lie thing. You wrote untrue, I wrote lie, perhaps a dictionary would indicate both were the same thing. Ya think?
Cheers
gww
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Well thanks gww. I will give it to you that a lie and an untruth boils down to the same end result. In my case if I say something that is untrue it is by accident and unintentional, I do not wish to spread untruths. In your case of the two first sentences of your reply 52. Both were untrue. I do not know your heart. You might have not meant it as you wrote it. Therefore taking that into consideration It would normally be very hard for me to call someone lier including you. since I could not be sure. Some folks have no trouble jumping the gun and using the word lie loosely and freely . To me a lie is an intentional untruth. Where a simple untruth is accidental or an uninformed opinion. I will see what mr Webster has to say about it but there its for what it may be worth. I hope that helps. 😊
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Either way lie or untrue, both mean wrong. I apologize for those two sentences but stick to my over all portrayal of what I wrote. You may write with the intention of calling out what might be a mistake but when you do it I read it as being confronted as wrong and so a liar.
I was a liar on two sentences of mine and figure it fair this time and admit it on that part. I do not intentionally lie ever.
Cheers
gww
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I must run with a bad crowd cause I know lots with some kind of record that I don't see as dangerous enough to kill them over.
I believe cops could be much more useful then just revenue earners.
There are a lot of people who commit crimes and are not dangerous. In the case of this guy, he was only 20, had already committed 2 gun crimes that we know of, one of them violent, and twice tried to run from police. That doesn't mean the cop was right in shooting him, but it is an explanation for their reaction to him.
I laughed over your pulled over comment. It has happened to me. The really funny one was when I made a right turn and turned partially into the bike lane. It was the middle of the night and maybe the cop thought I'd been drinking or something. Once convinced I was sober and on my way home, he asked me if the truck belonged to my husband. I smiled the dumb blonde smile and said "Yes, yes it does.". He warned me to be careful driving that big ole truck and sent me on my way.
Our little town used to be a notorious speed trap.
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Either way lie or untrue, both mean wrong. I apologize for those two sentences but stick to my over all portrayal of what I wrote. You may write with the intention of calling out what might be a mistake but when you do it I read it as being confronted as wrong and so a liar.
I was a liar on two sentences of mine and figure it fair this time and admit it on that part. I do not intentionally lie ever.
Cheers
gww
I open heartily accept your apology. Adding: I over look where you misunderstand me. I suppose we can just agree to disagree of the misunderstanding part? 🙂Who knows someday we may see politics the same... Wouldn't that be a shocker? lol
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Kathy
You made me laugh also. I grew up in a town that says it has the same population today though I know there probably are more people living in the outskirts cause you can't drive the gravel roads and only see a house every half mile or more.
We had two cops when I was growing up and now the town probably has 6 or 8. If I got caught with a beer I was made to pour it out or if I got to crazy in a car with no muffler they might tell me to get out of town. Now they are going to give tickets and take their money. Policing has changed some.
I live near a town that has not had a cop except here and there part time over the last 50 years. I was disappointed that they put in the paper last year that they had just bought a cop car. I like it better when we don't have a cop around.
My daughter got a ticket from a cop who lives on the same road as me but a few miles out and I called him and told him he was going to cost me three hundred bucks and he let her off. He did make her cry though. He did tell me his wife yelled at him too. I told him I speed all the time but just talking to her would have worked. He did let me off later when I was moving on pretty good. Still I wasn't hurting anyone and was a mile from my house. I like it better when they are not around cause even though I am not perfect, I don't usually do things that hurt anyone and don't like being questioned. I am thankful when questioned of those that do not use every opportunity to look good by how much money they bring in.
You mention speed trap. There are towns that policing bring in the majority of their budget. That was one of the problems in Ferguson Mo beside the black kid that got killed when they protested. I do not think it is too fair for me to judge how good I get by compared to somebody with a concrete yard. I could beat my wife and kids and nobody would ever know and I don't have cops continually cruising by my house 24/7. I can go in my back yard and shoot at things all day long. No where near like living in a flat where everyone can hear everything that goes on. I think it is hard for me to have a high moral standing when in my mind I would probably not survive that type of atmosphere.
We probably commit all kinds of things that somebody would look at as a crime if they could see what we do. No, I am not big on beating my wife but may have poured oil along a fence at some point in my life to kill some grass or settle some dust.
I can see other people pointing a finger at how something I might be doing is so wrong even though I know what is normal for here and just think of a lot of people living in one place with their own ideal of right and wrong and how that would be. Seems like a recipe for conflict. Every fist fight I ever got in in my life there were other people around. :cheesy:
The cop that just got shot going after a shooter deserves praise. Cops like the one depicted in the movie les miserables that can't exercise humane discretion or that are just bullies need to be shut down and stripped of any authority. I admit to it being a hard job that I could not do well myself. However, I would not hire me for that job either.
You probably drive your big ole truck better then I drive mine. I don't judge distance worth a crap.
Cheers
gww
ps My other pet peeve. I would never move to a location that was part of a home owners association.
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My other pet peeve. I would never move to a location that was part of a home owners association.
Neither would I!
I think that people ought to be left to their own as long as they are not hurting others. That is the libertarian leaning in me. That said, the more people cram together the more they want and even need rules to follow. Like you, I can shoot on my property, and do other things that, law or not, would not be acceptable in town. I choose not to live in town.
No matter our choice of living, armed robbery, resisting arrest, etc. would not be OK.
I am not a fan of the police state that we seem to now have but I see what is happening in Portland as they have ended the gun/gang enforcement team, and refuse to arrest the rioters. Yup, Portland is still having "mostly peaceful protests" every night. If people are going to live in close quarters there have to be some agreed-upon rules and some enforcement of those rules.
What we don't have, and what I think is society ending, is equal enforcement under the law. There are people who were arrested for the capital riot that have been in jail for months. Some of them have only been charged with non-violent things like tresspassing. The capitol officer who shot the unarmed woman will not be charged and unlike the police who shoot someone, he/she has not been named.
The capital is not holy. It is a federal building. People here are assaulting and trying to burn down federal buildings nightly and assulting federal officers. They are not even being arrested. Some of the buildings have been set on fire with people in them. Nothing...And if by some miracle they are arrested, they are immediately bailed and are back at it the next night.
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Another group that does really well both in assimilation and economically, is black people coming from Africa. It's not as large a group, but they become citizens at a high rate, earn well, become or are fluent in English and integrate into American life.
While it doesn't matter where they come from the racist part occurs when this affluent black person drives through a predominately white affluent neighborhood.
They are looked at as though they don't belong. This profiling is rampart in law enforcement. Local law enforcement should not be defunded they should be disarmed. Law enforcement should require people skills not military skills. You don't service the community with a gun.
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It?s sad that some folks can only see black and white as you and Ace, but can not read and understand what is written in black and white without attempting to twist it for bad for your own gratification. Shame
Phil you are quick to pass shame on someone else because you read their words and fail to understand their meaning. You constantly exhibit Trumpism disease. Being guilty of something and then blame the guilt on someone else. This a real problem in our country.
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Why did Obama insist he was black when pointing out that he was 1/2 white should have been an advantage in a racist country?
A man having all the external features of a black man is going to claim he is white? You say things that lead me to believe your dropping acid.
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> Local law enforcement should not be defunded they should be disarmed. Law enforcement should require people skills not military skills. You don't service the community with a gun.
Good idea Ace. Starting in your neighborhood. When this is accomplished, make sure All the gangs, thugs, and lawbreakers, such as MS13 realize the party is on in your area! Maybe you along with the rest of your woke buddies can get together and have a huge billboard placed leading into your neighborhood saying as much.
"Hail hail gangs are all welcome here. Police are disarmed as well as the citizens, complements of Ace Bird and his woke friends on the left. You are safe here in your unlawfulness. But please be respectful. We are your friends."
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> Phil you are quick to pass shame on someone else because you read their words and fail to understand their meaning. You constantly exhibit Trumpism disease. Being guilty of something and then blame the guilt on someone else. This a real problem in our country.
There you go again, mr Divider, mr confusion promoter. You can plainly read that gww and I have made amends. Even if it means we agree to disagree on some stances. Yet instead of building on this and looking at us in an openminded way, promoting bipartisanship, you chose to throw salt and burn BOTH of us with your baiting.
Perhaps you realize we have some similarities as well as some disagreements as politics go. So you seek to divide just like your leaders. This is a real problem in this country. No wonder our country is so divided. Notice I didn't say shame but maybe I should; but there again, some folks have none.
As far as Mr Trump, I have reminded you before he is out of office and gone from Washington, gone from youtube, Facebook, Twitter etc and so on. We on the right have been very respectful here to your choice of President. We realize we are all Americans and wish the best for America no matter our views. If your man would have been any count, he deserved that respect. Also not wanting to hurt your feeling, and considering your man is new to being a President, we, or I have been slow to criticize but now that his true feathers have been shown and the leopards spots have been reviled, hearing the hyaena cackle, all that is about to change, this dummy (and his administration) you have elected don't have a clue!! That is a shame for all of we Americans. I see you did not respond to lumber and energy. I was correct in thinking you have no ground to stand on to defend you incompetent man.
Any other Joe might have been a better choice. Even poor ole dumb Joe Dirt! :tongue: :cheesy: love you Ace.
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While it doesn't matter where they come from the racist part occurs when this affluent black person drives through a predominately white affluent neighborhood.
Maybe, but take my little town. At the time I was pulled over we had 0 black families anywhere around. Asian, Persian, Hispanic, but no black families. If the police had seen someone black driving a truck around town in the middle of the night, they might have wondered who this person was and what they were doing. Should they pull them over? Probably not unless they turn into the bike lane or something, but should they watch to see what that person was doing? I think they should. We now have a number of black families in our town, so keeping an eye on someone because they are black would be wrong.
I live on a dead end road. An odd looking guy was wandering up and down the road. He wasn't doing anything, but he didn't belong and something about it was just wrong. I called the Sherriff and they came out and took him away. Turned out he was mentally ill, had taken the bus out our way, and was just wandering. They took him back the Portland. He was white. He didn't belong where he was.
You really want police disarmed? 283 officers were shot in 2020. 44 of them died. Maybe they should have had better people skills?
A man having all the external features of a black man is going to claim he is white? You say things that lead me to believe your dropping acid.
Probably would not have worked for him :grin: but look how many, including him, emphasize the black part of their heritage or pretend to be black. Can't be a net negative, can it? I didn't know that Eric Holder was black until someone made a point of it. I didn't know that Harris ID'd as black until the press made a point of it. Much of the country is brown and I don't think most of us give it much thought.
There is an advantage to some that we focus on race though. You can't have a united country when you are intentionally dividing people into tribes and pitting tribes against each other. It is to the advantage of the left that the tribes war. They have nothing to offer a united country.
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Good idea Ace. Starting in your neighborhood. When this is accomplished, make sure All the gangs, thugs, and lawbreakers, such as MS13 realize the party is on in your area!
This group of criminals should be dealt with by SWAT teams or specialized law enforcement not the average cop some of which don't have a college education. But they do have an NRA merit badge and a gun.
I live in a predominantly white neighborhood. Cops don't patrol white neighborhoods. They have to be called in. If you live in a white neighborhood do you feel secure when a cop is call in with his gun drawn? It is going to take 10-15 minutes to drive here. Maybe longer if he happens to be doing something else.
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Maybe, but take my little town. At the time I was pulled over we had 0 black families anywhere around. Asian, Persian, Hispanic, but no black families. If the police had seen someone black driving a truck around town in the middle of the night, they might have wondered who this person was and what they were doing. Should they pull them over? Probably not unless they turn into the bike lane or something, but should they watch to see what that person was doing? I think they should.
Do you realize your statement means you are a racist? Probably not.
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Good idea Ace. Starting in your neighborhood. When this is accomplished, make sure All the gangs, thugs, and lawbreakers, such as MS13 realize the party is on in your area!
This group of criminals should be dealt with by SWAT teams or specialized law enforcement not the average cop some of which don't have a college education. But they do have an NRA merit badge and a gun.
I live in a predominantly white neighborhood. Cops don't patrol white neighborhoods. They have to be called in. If you live in a white neighborhood do you feel secure when a cop is call in with his gun drawn? It is going to take 10-15 minutes to drive here. Maybe longer if he happens to be doing something else.
Right :oops: you mean like the most professional swat team ever assembled by the FBI which ''accidentally'', shot and killed the little innocent mother which was holding her infant baby in her arms when they blew her away? A government swat team as your portray? No thank you!!! The mountian people that bothered no one? Folks who just wanted to live their life in peace and be left alone in a remote place in Montana a few years ago?
Do you think these elite college educated professionals did a good job? Are you for real or just clowning? Who knows what would happen if these pros were finally turned loose in neighborhoods such as yours with all the hate that is being spewed by leftists. No thank you. Was you educated in Russia or China? :tongue: :cheesy:
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Do you realize your statement means you are a racist? Probably not.
You and I have a different background, but even you have been told that "If you see something, say something". Your way of thinking was what allowed Nidal Hasan to shoot up an Army base.
My training tells me that if something is out of place, it should be investigated. Logic should always be the motivator, not fear or emotion.
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Are these ghost guns usually used to commit crimes?
The numbers are quit high 1:3
At what point does a republican stop blocking people who are looking for a solution and come up with a solution themselves? What is the point of having them in congress? They have been doing nothing for the better part of my life.
1:3 ? I highly doubt that. Please state your credible source.
It is not illegal to manufacture your own firearm! You are required to put a serial number on it, at which point it is no longer a so-called ghost gun, but a legal, serialized firearm.
Failure to put a serial number on a self-made firearm is already a crime.
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We have the solution in the Laws already on the books. This is like a person that is sick and goes to the DR. and either does not take the Dr's prescription or does not get it filled, or does not take it at all, or takes the medicine incorrectly. Then the blame for the sickness is laid on someone that is not sick.
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We have the solution in the Laws already on the books. This is like a person that is sick and goes to the DR. and either does not take the Dr's prescription or does not get it filled, or does take it at all, or takes the medicine incorrectly. Then the blame for the sickness is laid on someone that is not sick.
Well said.
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It is not illegal to manufacture your own firearm! You are required to put a serial number on it, at which point it is no longer a so-called ghost gun, but a legal, serialized firearm.
If the kits that you buy on the internet had a traceable serial number and all you did was to assemble the kit I would see that as legal and less of a problem. Who polices the self manufacture of your own firearms such that they get a serial number? NRA, ATF? They are called ghost guns because they do not have traceable serial numbers.
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It is not illegal to manufacture your own firearm! You are required to put a serial number on it, at which point it is no longer a so-called ghost gun, but a legal, serialized firearm.
If the kits that you buy on the internet had a traceable serial number and all you did was to assemble the kit I would see that as legal and less of a problem. Who polices the self manufacture of your own firearms such that they get a serial number? NRA, ATF? They are called ghost guns because they do not have traceable serial numbers.
These are not child's kits that you merely assemble like some toy. They are receivers machined to 80% completion. Because they are incomplete, they are not firearms and don't require SN at that point. They buyer must finish the rest of the machining to make it a receiver, install the rest of the parts that make it functional, and ONLY THEN is it a 'firearm under law, which must now have a serial number permanently inscribed. Failure to inscribe a serial number is a federal crime. It is BTAFE's responsibility to enforce that. If you get caught with no serial number, they're the ones that you have to deal with.
It requires some level of technical skill and time to finish these parts into a firearm, as well as machine tools such as a metal lathe and drill press, and the knowledge to use them accurately. Your average criminal ain't gonna go through all this for an "untraceable ghost gun" ( an ignorant phrase coined by ignorant, fearful Kalifornia demoRats), when it would be much, much easier and simpler to just break into your house, steal your wife's .22 rifle and, possibly but probably not, grind off the serial number before using it to go rob Circle K. Think about it!
The same serial number law applies if you were to go buy the raw steel or aluminum and machine the parts from scratch. Totally legal, as long as you follow the law.
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They are receivers machined to 80% completion. Because they are incomplete, they are not firearms and don't require SN at that point.
That is what is known as a loop hole. All the heavy machining and metal processing is done so the average adult can finish it. For that matter even a child could do it. So explain to me why the manufacturer of the 80% complete receiver can not put the serial number on the gun and keep records to who it was sold to. They are clearly a weapon manufacturer. Most mass shooting are done by someone that has nothing to lose so are they really going to worry about serial numbers? The purpose of the serial number is to trace the weapon and prove guilt in a court of law. Allowing this loop hole puts a road block in law enforcement. No other reason for it.
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Anything stamped on an 80% part is going to get machined off in the finishing process! It's that simple. Not to mention, BY LAW.. the SN needs to be stamped on a firearm. That 80% part is only a lump of metal, not a receiver/firearm.
There are no special permissions required for any law-abiding US citizen from manufacturing their own firearms! "Traceabilty" is a myth created by the anti-liberty fear mongers. Ask your neighbor the cop if he can trace a gun and he will laugh in your face.
The "common sense" gun laws that the leftists keep crying for are already in place. They know they don't work!, but they keep demanding more restrictions, which they know won't work.
A loophole is simply a legal activity. Liberty is all loopholes. Some jack-wagon doesn't like what another person is doing with their liberty, so they call on congress-critters to make a law to 'close the loophole', thereby restricting the liberty of everyone, including YOU.
I think we should close the loophole on loophole-closing. Restrict the ability of jack-wagons to restrict the liberty of people just because the are senselessly terrified in their ignorance of what they refuse to understand.
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Ace,
From your writings I can tell you have never built a gun especially using 80% parts. The drilling on them has to bee very precise. If you are off by a 32 of an inch they do not work and you will need to buy another one and start over. You just cannot use a drill motor and make one work.
Jim Altmiller
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I have never built a gun. But I could teach a 5 year old how to do it. All this was done during the world wars by women who had 0 experience with machine tools. Have you ever been in the Remington Arms plant? I have, when it was located in the Utica area. There is nothing complicated about a gun.
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Building Your Gun: Easier Than You Think
You may be thinking that building your own firearm with an 80 percent AR lower is going to be too much work or too difficult. This is not the case. If you have a garage, we have
the tools you need and there are thousands of people building firearms today.
https://jsdsupply.com/benefits-of-using-80-percent-ar-lowers-instead-of-prebuilt/
This site is marketing 80% gun as a way of avoiding all the regulations. In other words condoning criminalization of fire arms.
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a 5 year old right. no pointless hyperbole here. :wink: :wink:
The LAW still applies, the maker of the firearm manufactured from that kit MUST apply the serial number.
I don't have to buy a kit from them or any other source of 80% components. If I have the skills (which I don't, neither do most people, particularly a 5 year old), I can build my own from scratch, legally, as long as I follow the law. The law already covers all of your arguments!
It is not a loophole, it is a right. I can make a stick, I can make a knife, I can make a sword, I can make an ax, I can make a halberd, I can make a cannon (which I did in high school. A fun little 14" bronze popper that actually fired a projectile) and I can make a rifle, all legal expressions of my 1st and 2nd amendment rights. All legal, because I have the right to defend myself from not only the low-life jack-wagon that steals your wife's .22 rifle, but also from you and your low-life jack-wagon demoRat politicians that think I don't have the right to defend myself with arms I have made myself.
PS, when you do teach that 5 year old to build a kit gun, be certain you permanently apply your serial number so that you are Legal!
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If I have the skills (which I don't, neither do most people, particularly a 5 year old),
The 5 year old doesn't have the skill until I teach him. The point is the 5 year old has the capability.
PS, when you do teach that 5 year old to build a kit gun, be certain you permanently apply your serial number so that you are Legal!
I don't need to be legal the 5 year old does and the 5 year old can't be prosecuted as an adult. So here again we have another loop hole. :wink:
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I have a question. How many of the mass shootings, or for that matter any shooting, has the criminal used a "Ghost Gun". If none , then why are we helping the Anti Gun people spread their propaganda?
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https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/guns-crime/reports/2021/04/02/497817/frequently-asked-questions-ghost-guns/
Here you go.
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Hi Folks,
WOW!
Ban ghost guns! Save twenty-five.
Ban illegal possession of guns in Chicago. Save THOUSANDS!
More poor people, men women and children, die trying to cross Joe's border. What about their small lives? Where's the GREATER GOOD?
Man's inhumanity to man.
BAN GHOST GUNS! SAVE TWENTY-FIVE!
Really?
Sal
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Banning any firearm is not the answer. Holding manufacturers accountable for supporting criminals activity is. It is not known the extent of criminal activity because not all criminals come to justice.
Paus had a question. I gave him an answer.
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Thanks for the info. Some of these accounts I would take to task, the IKEA assembly comparison in particular. I am a retired Instrumentation Engineer and I have a shop that is the envy of many, but there is no way that I have the knowledge or tools to assemble an AR type rifle. I worked in a Federal Prison and I was fortunate enough to see many of the weapons that were manufactured in that prison, under the watchful eyes of the security staff. There were pistols. knives garrotes, etc. Guns were made from cot legs, conduit scrapes. Propellant was made from matches, projectiles from chewed up aluminum, cot springs, silverware from mess hall and rocks. Yes they were used successfully and they were fatal. If this is what happens in prison it is scary to think what the cartels are capable of creating in back street shops. Criminals have never been disarmed, you know the rest of this sentence.
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Holding manufacturers accountable for supporting criminals activity is.
how do gun manufacturers support criminal activity? Do car manufacturers support drunk driving?
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Holding manufacturers accountable for supporting criminals activity is.
how do gun manufacturers support criminal activity?
By marketing to them
Do car manufacturers support drunk driving?
Not directly. But the courts could install a DWI bracelet on an offender that prevents any car from starting with out a Breathalyzer test. This would require car manufacturers cooperation. If the manufacturer refuses then they would be supporting drunk driving. Just like a gun manufacturer that refuses measures that reduce illegal use of the fire arm.
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Brian,
? Not directly. But the courts could install a DWI bracelet on an offender that prevents any car from starting with out a Breathalyzer test. This would require car manufacturers cooperation. If the manufacturer refuses then they would be supporting drunk driving. Just like a gun manufacturer that refuses measures that reduce illegal use of the fire arm.?
What good would this do. If you have to wear a bracelet, you just use an older car. They already broke the law several times and drove drunk. Doesn?t matter what you force the manufacturer to do, they will get around it some how.
With your requirement, now everyone has to pay a higher cost for something they don?t want or need.
You could make the drunks add this device to every car that they drive at their expense.
But they would find a way to defeat it anyway.
Jim Altmiller
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What good would this do. If you have to wear a bracelet, you just use an older car. They already broke the law several times and drove drunk. Doesn?t matter what you force the manufacturer to do, they will get around it some how.
Well it does matter. The seat belt law has saved millions of lives. Old cars don't last forever. The ones that are left are cherished and would not be accessible to drunk drivers. You are thinking like a true republican and lets do nothing ... the problem will go away. I believe that was Trumps plan for covid. Cost him the election when he was a shoe in.
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> Well it does matter. Old cars don't last forever. The ones that are left are cherished and would not be accessible to drunk drivers.
Ah haa haa; This belongs in the comedy section! ...... Entertainment is guaranteed with you Brian. :cheesy: Thanks for the smile! You are a mess!! (A southern expression meaning you are entertaining). A complement...
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You are thinking like a true republican and lets do nothing
We have had this conversation before but I'll try once more. What the left is proposing is that manufactures of guns be held liable if their guns are used in crimes. That's like saying Ford motor company should be held responsible if their cars are used in a crime like drunk driving.
We don't punish Ford for a criminal misusing their product. We punish Ford if their product is defective.
Punishing a firearms manufacturer because a criminal uses their product to commit the crime is stupid.
No one says that we should do nothing. What we should do is go after the criminals and enforce the laws we already have. Making it more difficult for people to legally own weapons does not do anything about criminals. If criminals followed laws they wouldn't be criminals, would they?
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Don't bother Ford for drunk drivers, but sue the heck out of them if a Ford in used in a robbery or kidnapping. Would that make the libs happy?
How about a hit and run? Now that would be the same as using a gun to commit a crime......
BUT THAT WOULDN'T FIT THEIR AGENDA
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What we should do is go after the criminals and enforce the laws we already have.
That is exactly what we have now and the result is the jails are filled with non white people. The most recent crime is white people filling up garbage bags full of gasoline. Have you heard any one being prosecuted? This happened in FL where the pipeline had 0 effect on the delivery of gasoline in FL. Every gas station has a camera. No way they don't know who the criminals are. All they know is that they are white.
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Punishing a firearms manufacturer because a criminal uses their product to commit the crime is stupid.
So the Sackler family should get off scott free?
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The Sacklers should be just as liable as the sellers of morphine, don't you think? No less, and no MORE.
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That is exactly what we have now and the result is the jails are filled with non white people.
Are you trying to make the point that non-white people commit more crimes that require jail time?
A few seconds and you could have fact-checked your gas in bags thing and even used the left leaning SNOPES
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hoarding-gas-plastic-bags/
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So the Sackler family should get off scott free?
Depends on whether the claims against them are true. If they lied about their product and it did not work as they said it did, then that is something for the courts. If they simply aggressively marketed their product and doctors over-prescribed it or did not pay attention to what patients were doing, then no, they are not responsible.
I suspect that in our litigious society they will end up paying no matter what and we may never have the whole truth of the matter.
Now, If a gun manufacturer lies about his product, he is and has always been, subject to being sued. What the left would like to do is to sue manufacturers for the illegal use of the weapons even if the weapon functions as it should and is exactly as represented by the manufacturer. That IS stupid.
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You are thinking like a true republican and lets do nothing
We have had this conversation before but I'll try once more. What the left is proposing is that manufactures of guns be held liable if their guns are used in crimes. That's like saying Ford motor company should be held responsible if their cars are used in a crime like drunk driving.
We don't punish Ford for a criminal misusing their product. We punish Ford if their product is defective.
Punishing a firearms manufacturer because a criminal uses their product to commit the crime is stupid.
No one says that we should do nothing. What we should do is go after the criminals and enforce the laws we already have. Making it more difficult for people to legally own weapons does not do anything about criminals. If criminals followed laws they wouldn't be criminals, would they?
What has everyone got against a serial number being applied to an unfinished receiver? When the receiver is sold the purchaser should be registered from then on a paper trail is created......that is until the weapon is stolen etc but at least there is a serial number to identify the weapon. Ponder; A weapon is used to murder one of your loved ones, would you not wish the paper trail may help in apprehending the perp? (as you say) It seems to be a no-brainer unless you don't care.
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So called GHOST GUNS have a serial number on the receiver from the manufacturer, they are traceable but that has not, ever been a significant "clue" in the solving of a crime, Except on TV
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So called GHOST GUNS have a serial number on the receiver from the manufacturer, they are traceable but that has not ever been a significant "clue" in the solving of a crime, Except on TV
But if there's a required paper trail? A lot of responsibility comes with a robust paper trail. now we get into the realms of whom would want to hide the possession of a weapon and why they would want to do that?.......
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YEP, criminals, and they are going to do what ever they can think about, Laws are only respected by law abiding citizens
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YEP, criminals, and they are going to do what ever they can think about, Laws are only respected by law abiding citizens
Must admit your Sunflowers don't look 87! oh! wait a minute there's someone standing in them.
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So called GHOST GUNS have a serial number on the receiver from the manufacturer, they are traceable but that has not ever been a significant "clue" in the solving of a crime, Except on TV
But if there a required paper trail? A lot of responsibility comes with a robust paper trail. now we get into the realms of whom would want to hide the possession of a weapon and why they would want to do that?.......
YEP, criminals, and they are going to do what ever they can think about, Laws are only respected by law abiding citizens
I do not know why someone would want to hide a paper trail except for the possibility of the election of a rogue government coming into power, which may be anti-constitutional and pro government power. A form of government similar to such governments as china and other communist, marxist, and or fascist governments who leaders have boasted. "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party." Naturally this type of folks would seek to confiscate papertrail guns? By the way, isn't that what some of the leaders of the left seem to be heading for?
From the Daily Caller
ANDREW KERR
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
August 17, 2020
3:44 PM ET
A senior advisor to Joe Biden's presidential campaign said Chinese dictator Mao Zedong was one of her "favorite political philosophers" during a speech to graduating high schoolers in 2009.[/b]
Anita Dunn, who was temporarily granted effective control of Biden's campaign in February and now serves as a senior advisor, said Mao and Mother Teresa were "the two people that I turn to most" when she needs to encourage others to break from the mold and blaze their own trail in life.
Yet they they elected biden anyway.... goodness
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But really paper trails do not meant much these days because everything is done via computer. There is your modern day paper trail. Folks who think they don't have a 'paper trail' are misguided. I think the only good reason to buy a receiver and assembly it yourself, is for the simple happiness of the do it yourselfer. I would not have the patience or the know how. lol. To each his own...
Question do gun barrels have serial numbers as well?
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Ponder; A weapon is used to murder one of your loved ones, would you not wish the paper trail may help in apprehending the perp? (as you say) It seems to be a no-brainer unless you don't care.
If someone kills someone I love I don't care about the weapon. I want the perp caught. No paper trail on a weapon is going to make any difference there.
Fact is, my loved one is more likely to be stabbed or bludgeoned to death than shot, unless they are somewhere like Chicago, NY or Philidelphia...and more often, in Portland which has had a huge increase in shootings since they did away with the gang enforcement team, and the gun violence reduction team. who could have seen that coming??
We already have gun registration but most people don't seem to realize it. If you buy a weapon from a gun dealer, which is how most people buy, you go through a background check and the weapon is listed. They are not supposed to keep that info, but no one believes they don't. They also don't like to answer questions about whether or not there is a database.
Private sales records vary from state to state. Since criminals don't follow laws, the only reason for keeping records is to keep track of lawful owners. Why?
Look at your own country, Australia, New Zealand, Zimbabwe, or many other places that ended up confiscating weapons. This is why we object to universal registration of weapons. Once they know what you have, they know what to take.
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So called GHOST GUNS have a serial number on the receiver from the manufacturer, they are traceable but that has not ever been a significant "clue" in the solving of a crime, Except on TV
But if there a required paper trail? A lot of responsibility comes with a robust paper trail. now we get into the realms of whom would want to hide the possession of a weapon and why they would want to do that?.......
YEP, criminals, and they are going to do what ever they can think about, Laws are only respected by law abiding citizens
I do not know why someone would want to hide a paper trail except for the possibility of the election of a rogue government coming into power, which may be anti-constitutional and pro government power. A form of government similar to such governments as china and other communist, marxist, and or fascist governments who leaders have boasted. "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party." Naturally this type of folks would seek to confiscate papertrail guns? By the way, isn't that what some of the leaders of the left seem to be heading for?
From the Daily Caller
ANDREW KERR
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
August 17, 2020
3:44 PM ET
A senior advisor to Joe Biden's presidential campaign said Chinese dictator Mao Zedong was one of her "favorite political philosophers" during a speech to graduating high schoolers in 2009.[/b]
Anita Dunn, who was temporarily granted effective control of Biden's campaign in February and now serves as a senior advisor, said Mao and Mother Teresa were "the two people that I turn to most" when she needs to encourage others to break from the mold and blaze their own trail in life.
Yet they they elected biden anyway.... goodness
That's democracy for you, doesn't always turn out what you desire. Maybe you could round up your friends with their unregistered weapons to have an insurrection/civil war. Good luck, you'll need it. The loony right dreaming again.
Pills and salt are coming to mind again, even without iddee.
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now we get into the realms of whom would want to hide the possession of a weapon and why they would want to do that?......
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We are not a democracy.
I believe we have declared the causes. While I would not like to see civil war, I believe we are already in a cold civil war. All that remains is to find a solution. A division of the country would be the least violent and probably best solution. Those of us who wish to keep the Constitution as law can go our way, and those who do not, can go theirs.
Emphasis added by me.
In Congress, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Georgia
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
North Carolina
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Massachusetts
John Hancock
Maryland
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Pennsylvania
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
New York
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
New Hampshire
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire
Matthew Thornton
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What has everyone got against a serial number being applied to an unfinished receiver? ...
The government has no business knowing who has guns - so the serial # is irrelevant. In America, the Founders decided that the people should have guns [ref Jefferson and Adams specifically] on the basis that, governments will always trend towards absolute power, and the counter to this is a free people with the ability to say "NO!" To government and make it "stick". Thus the saying:
If the government fears the people, there is freedom. If the people fear their government, there is tyranny"
So - gun ownership and gun rights were woven into the fabric at the founding of America.
Today, we see politicians that seem to want absolute power. It is beginning to appear that the Founders were wise men. At No Time does our government have a need, or a right, to know who has guns, or bags of sugar, or 2 pairs of sneakers, etc - its none of thier business!!!
So called GHOST GUNS have a serial number on the receiver from the manufacturer, they are traceable but that has not, ever been a significant "clue" in the solving of a crime, Except on TV
Actually not - but I'd like to see a study about how often a legally purchased gun changes hands in its life. I'd venture that 99%+ of all guns (greater than 10 yrs old) in circulation today are no longer in the possession of the original purchaser - making the "serial #'s on guns solves crimes" argument a joke (at best) or a lie (at worst) - as you state.
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now we get into the realms of whom would want to hide the possession of a weapon and why they would want to do that?......
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We are not a democracy.
You beat me to it Kathy - we are a Constitutional Republic: in short, this means that an individual has rights above the Mob.
The left would love for us to be a democracy - i.e. Mob Rule.
Benjamin Franklin (I believe) said - "A democracy is 2 Wolves and a Lamb, voting on what's for dinner. A Constitutional Republic is a Well Armed Lamb, contesting the Vote".
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... I think the only good reason to buy a receiver and assembly it yourself, is for the simple happiness of the do it yourselfer. ...
I think the left is having fits right now, because they don't know how many "home-made" guns are out there, and as such, are forced to pause thier take-over of the country, and re-think their strategy(s) ... that strikes me as another "good reason" ...
.... ... Question do gun barrels have serial numbers as well?
Mostly - No.
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Excellent replies friends. It would seem Ciders' hind side is still chapped because of the powerful words posted by our momentous, epoch-making, founders in reply 111, along with the humiliating defeat of the world's number one power of that day. Yes defeated by well armed backwoods-men as they were described and referred to by the "elitist" from our oppressive Mother England.. Wounded pride I suppose? Especially if one examines the last names of each founder, he will find all English. Tis a pity some of our British Cousins are still all up in the air.... :cheesy: :wink:
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Are you trying to make the point that non-white people commit more crimes that require jail time?
That is the myth that white people believe.
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now we get into the realms of whom would want to hide the possession of a weapon and why they would want to do that?......
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We are not a democracy.
Not anymore. LOL
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Are you trying to make the point that non-white people commit more crimes that require jail time?
That is the myth that white people believe.
Are you a racist? You are constantly pointing out your perception of white people. Always labeling and downing white people? What color are you? I suspect you are white with a guilty conscience for something in YOUR past and perhaps you now associate yourself as being another color? Wouldn?t surprise me, some liberals are really out there, into the (I am this but I associate myself as being that). Some a male thinking they are female. Some white thinking they are black. I have even read where one associated himself as being a tree! Yes a tree! : Well, I suppose he could qualify as a tree, all he produced was nuts! :cheesy:
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... I suspect you are white with a guilty conscience for something in YOUR past ...
I've often wondered about this: why do so many people react when accused of "racisim"? I don't react. It's like calling me a "bird feather" - I just look confused, and then figure the person talking is a "little slow upstairs".
But why do so many others react? ... the only answer I've come up with, is that in order to get a reaction, it must be hitting a nerve. In other words, it hits people's guilty conscience ... makes no sense to me.
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That is the myth that white people believe.
Why do you think that? It very much depends on where you live. If the area you live in is majority minority then most of the crimes are going to be committed by minorities. If it is mostly white, most of the crimes are going to be committed by whites.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/424141/prevalence-rate-of-violent-crime-in-the-us-by-ethnicity/
Statistics can be skewed by small areas. If you were to remove those areas (Chicago, Philadelphia, NYC, as examples) the statistics would look different.
Not anymore
we never were and we should be glad of it. As you pointed out in another post, small areas of dense populations can impose their will on everyone else. They do it now, but think how much worse it could be if we were a democracy.
why do so many people react when accused of "racisim"?
It used to mean something. It no longer has meaning because it has been thrown around by everyone for everything. Lori Lightfoot is a good example. If anyone disagrees with her she rotates her accusation between RACIST, homophobe, and misogynist. Same when Obama was in office. Disagree with his policies and you were RACIST.
Now, with CRT, we are teaching our kids that they are racist oppressors from birth if they are white. If they are a minority, they are oppressed at birth. Minority? Having a struggle? Not to worry, you are not responsible. You are oppressed.
We are teaching our children to judge each other according to the color of their skin. Anyone care to predict the outcome of this teaching?
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Hi Folks,
Ben hit the nail on the head when he said: I suspect you are white with a guilty conscience for something in YOUR past.
I think this is our man, From Linkedin:
Apartment Management
Laral Management Company
Jan 2013 - Present8 years 5 months
Clinton, NY
I am presently managing 48 up scaled units in Clinton,NY. This involves the care and maintenance of the facility along with renovating and renting vacant apartments.
Cardinal Services Graphic
Owner
Cardinal Services
Oct 2009 - Present11 years 8 months
Utica, New York Area
For the past two years I have been doing renovations on a piece of income property and taking side jobs as they come along. I have the skill sets required for any residential construction.
My how he had to discriminate. Perhaps some of his renovation jobs were a bit, ummm, up close and personal.
White Privilege. UPSCALE. Now retired. ANGER! GUILT! SHAME!
But this is all just a guess.
Sal
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That is the myth that white people believe.
Why do you think that?
Because white people do not look out of place, do not get prosecuted for the same crimes anywhere near the numbers that non white people do, and generally are not mistrusted. Yet you are more apt to get swindled or robbed by a white person then a non white person.
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> Because white people do not look out of place
Brian what are you talking about now? Do not look out of place where?
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Because white people do not look out of place, do not get prosecuted for the same crimes anywhere near the numbers that non white people do, and generally are not mistrusted. Yet you are more apt to get swindled or robbed by a white person then a non white person.
Do you have some stats to back any of that up?
Look out of place where?
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More gibberish, with no substance. Opposite all truth.
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> Because white people do not look out of place
Brian what are you talking about now? Do not look out of place where?
Reference to something Kathy said in another post.
"if you see something say something" How quickly we forget.
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"if you see something say something" How quickly we forget.
That's why I asked "where". Forget about a black person looking out of place in a town with no black people. How about a white person looking out of place in an all black neighborhood. Would that not draw attention?
The more important question was about the statistics you would use to back up the claims you made.
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How about a white person looking out of place in an all black neighborhood. Would that not draw attention?
No. That is what racism is. The white people are there with guns to control what the black people do.
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The more important question was about the statistics you would use to back up the claims you made.
6. Rural states see more burglaries than those with big metropolitan hubs.
You?d expect that New York and California might have more burglaries per capita, but they?re actually near the bottom of the list.
In fact, New Mexico is the most burglarized state in the US, along with other rural states including Mississippi, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas.6
In 2019, New Mexico had 697 burglaries per 100,000 people compared to New York, where there were only 142 burglaries per 100,000.
https://www.safewise.com/blog/8-surprising-home-burglary-statistics/#Rural_burglary
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No. That is what racism is. The white people are there with guns to control what the black people do.
You are kind of an idiot sometimes. You do know that black people own guns too, right? Why do you think they own guns?
Also not sure what your post about rural burglaries has to do with crime stats and your assertions about who is arrested and why. Try again if you wish.
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Though some of the things done and said by the left might not look so kosher, or might even look idiotic to common sense folks. It may not be the way it seems or looks. It has been part of strategy since the beginning conception of world domination of communism, marxism, fascism, or any other disguised name they may call themselves. The strategy is to set good honest hard working people against one another. Whether via race baiting, economic, or any other means to cause strife and division between people of a nation. Their goal is to broadcast bunkum of hate and confusion in hopes, enough will listen and believe strongly enough to this propaganda to cause civil unrest. Then they boldly move in and pick up the pieces of a broken government that they themselves cleverly engineered the brokenness of. Quite clever really; but evil. That is part of the reason Ronald Reagan (named) the Soviet Union >the evil empire<. If one reads his writings, and the writings of other patriotic loyal Americans, this is common knowledge.
Some spread and repeat such hate bunkum because they themselves are a part of this strategy, while others are folks with good intentions, who have been sucked in by the evil cleverness of such connivers. We know no mans heart; but God does....
Matthew 12:25
And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
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Also not sure what your post about rural burglaries has to do with crime stats and your assertions about who is arrested and why. Try again if you wish.
I will dumb it down for you. People from rural areas believe that somehow a black person is going to find a way to come out to the rural area and rob you. In reality it is more likely that someone from their own community will rob them. Most of my neighbors have guns, fences, gates, dogs and signs of no trespassing. It is very unlikely they would shoot a white neighbor but if a black neighbor were to touch their gate I am not too sure. Robberies occur for the most part when you are not at home. The guns, fences, gates, dogs and signs are useless during a robbery because you are not there. They know you are not there because you broadcast on FB where you are.
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The strategy is to set good honest hard working people against one another. Whether via race baiting, economic, or any other means to cause strife and division between people of a nation. Their goal is to broadcast bunkum of hate and confusion in hopes, enough will listen and believe strongly enough to this propaganda to cause civil unrest. Then they boldly move in and pick up the pieces of a broken government that they themselves cleverly engineered the brokenness of.
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This is the exact plan Trump used to get into the white house. As he got more insane from the newly acquired power the sway vote got enlightened to what he was up to and it flipped during the reelection try four years later. The radicals like the ones that stormed the capital will always be radicals. But three hundred of them are locked up now and Trump lost his twitter and FB account so the media doesn't have to cover his insanity anymore.
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So you think Trump was a race divider? Was out to destroy America for his own personal gain? I do not know Trumps heart. He may be the monster you portray him to be. I will ask you, when did he race bait our citizens? What part of his economic plan left out any group of citizen, including minorities? Did his economic plan hurt or help the majority of American Citizens?
Now let's look at the left during this same period of time. During this same four years what good did they do to help with the economy, bring folks together, or promote good will for we citizens? For that matter, when did they do anything good that helped America prosper? (what good are they doing now) They were and are good at; constantly spewing hate and division 24/7.
Let's look at Biden in his first four months. Yes months not years..... Pitiful
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People from rural areas believe that somehow a black person is going to find a way to come out to the rural area and rob you.
I love reading your posts in the morning and I have learned to put my coffee down before I do so!
No, a lot of people in both rural and urban areas understand that crime happens and that they are responsible for protecting their own. This is especially true if you live in a rural area where police are not going to be able to respond quickly. If you think someone is going to make a decision on shoot or don't shoot based on race when someone is kicking down the door, you are mistaken.
But again, you make assertions and have nothing to back them up. I have known people like you. You create a story in your head and it becomes your reality.
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If I have the skills (which I don't, neither do most people, particularly a 5 year old),
The 5 year old doesn't have the skill until I teach him. The point is the 5 year old has the capability.
PS, when you do teach that 5 year old to build a kit gun, be certain you permanently apply your serial number so that you are Legal!
I don't need to be legal the 5 year old does and the 5 year old can't be prosecuted as an adult. So here again we have another loop hole. :wink:
These are perhaps the most inane comments you have ever made.
First of all, a 5 year old doesn't have the fine motor skills nor the physical strength to use the tools required machine a Lincoln Log, let alone the close tolerances of a receiver.
2nd, As the adult, you would be in charge of the production, not the child. You would be held liable for any and all legalities attached.
Loophole my foot! I am so sick and tired of the left's gross misuse of that term!
I wish you would wake up.
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This is the exact plan Trump used to get into the white house. As he got more insane from the newly acquired power the sway vote got enlightened to what he was up to and it flipped during the reelection try four years later. The radicals like the ones that stormed the capital will always be radicals. But three hundred of them are locked up now and Trump lost his twitter and FB account so the media doesn't have to cover his insanity anymore.
We had 8 years of Obama making race an issue in ways we have not seen since the 60s. Not surprising since the church he chose to sit in for 20 years was a Black Liberation Theology teaching church and it is racist.
We then had 4 years of people screaming racist over everything from border security to out of context comments.
This has been followed by the Biden admin instituting actual racist policies from pushing CRT in schools to passing out money to people based on race.
I challenge you to defend the actual racist words and policies of the man now in office.
I'll not rehash the election with you except to point out that Trumps minority support numbers went up, not down, in the second election. I can tell you what I was told by a black friend who voted for Trump both times and this was the first non-democrat he'd ever supported. In the first election, he heard Trump say "What do you have to lose" and he realized he had nothing to lose because no one he'd ever voted for had kept their word.
In the second election he voted for Trump because he saw real results where he lived and worked.
Interesting that you bring up the people who have been held since the capital riot. Why have they been held without bail? The capital is a federal building like any other federal building. It houses the employees of the people of the United States. It is no more or less than any other federal building.
If we have equal protection under the law, then laws have to be applied equally, right? How many federal buildings have been attacked in the last year and how many times? You can take my state as just one example. Google it. What happened to the people who tried to do things like set the federal courthouse on fire? You can google that too.
How can you have 100s of people put in jail with no bail options, most of them for things like trespassing (in their own building), yet have 100s of people never even charged for trying to destroy occupied federal buildings in other places?
Is this an equal application of the law?
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All the other federal buildings were not breached to install someone to power against the will of the people who had just spoken. What they were doing was more akin to what benidict arnold was doing and and treasonous. The crime was worse and so the treatment is worse so far.
Cheers
gww
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All the other federal buildings were not breached to install someone to power against the will of the people who had just spoken. What they were doing was more akin to what benidict arnold was doing and and treasonous. The crime was worse and so the treatment is worse so far.
If the crime was worse, then they should be charged with worse crimes. I am pretty sure things like trespassing, which is what many held in jail are charged with, is not worse than trying to burn occupied buildings. What you think they did and what they are charged with, is not the same. How they are being treated for lesser charges than have happened in other places, is not the same. So no, what they did is not worse under the law.
Not one of the Jan 6th rioters has been charged with insurrection, treason, or anything of that nature. Not one gun was confiscated. The only person killed during that riot was an unarmed rioter.
Compare that to Portland. Imagine what would have happened if a federal agent had killed an unarmed rioter in Portland? Instead, we have armed rioters killing unarmed people in Portland. Make much news?
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Let's look at Biden in his first four months. Yes months not years..... Pitiful
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Has helped all Americans that needed help instead of robbing from the middle class to give to his friends (primarily so he would get reelected). Got a handle on covid despite republican resistance. Resulted in a record stock market, housing boom, environmental improvements, check on Russia and reestablished relations with allies. At this point he is a miracle president who has brought respect back to the presidency.
Phil, you are like Kathy. A person could provide all the proof necessary to win a case in the supreme court but you would not accept any of the proof given. You spend your day viewing nonsense videos sucking it all in as gospel. All one has to do is site a verse in the bible and you are hooked. Doesn't matter if it is real.
From that point on you could be fed anything.
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Let's look at Biden in his first four months. Yes months not years..... Pitiful
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Has helped all Americans that needed help instead of robbing from the middle class to give to his friends (primarily so he would get reelected). Got a handle on covid despite republican resistance. Resulted in a record stock market, housing boom, environmental improvements, check on Russia and reestablished relations with allies. At this point he is a miracle president who has brought respect back to the presidency.
Phil, you are like Kathy. A person could provide all the proof necessary to win a case in the supreme court but you would not accept any of the proof given. You spend your day viewing nonsense videos sucking it all in as gospel. All one has to do is site a verse in the bible and you are hooked. Doesn't matter if it is real.
From that point on you could be fed anything.
> robbing from the middle class to give to his friends
This is exactly what brilliant joes policies are doing! Been to the gas pumps lately?
> Got a handle on covid
Bunkum the virus handled itself via herd immunity, just like most virus eventually do and many ignored world scientists said it would. Thanks to bold measures taken by your governor and others like him. Yes always unfortunately some are lost during a pandemic and that is sad.
> Resulted in a record stock market,
The record stock market is a direct result of practices put into place by your neighbor, Mr Trump, but don?t worry. That can not last thanks to your bozo which has struck those policies down with the stroke of a pen his first days in office. Building materials have already tripled. Fuel prices have doubled even tripled in some areas in just the first four months your man has been in office. How long do you thing Trumps housing boom and booming economy can last with that type inflation?
> check on Russia
Yes he has checked on Russia alright. Checked to make sure the restrictions Trump had put into place to detour the Russian pipeline to Germany the wealthiest country in Europe were reversed, which in return will boost the economy of Russia! Russia is rejoicing over Biden. honest joes quid pro quo friends are rejoicing too, the ones that stopped the investigation of Hunter, (yes by the arm twisting by your honest Joe, threatening to withhold aid), in return for releasing the billion dollars of our tax money! That?s your man! Honest Joe!! While halting our pipeline from Canada to the needed locations here in the good ole United States. (Keystone) Damaging our American economy, the economy of his fellow citizens, while taking ultimate care of Russia and Germany!! Not to worry, we still have the Railroad system which is heavily invested by Joes good friend Warren Buffet, to bring oil in.. duh 🙄
> At this point he is a miracle president who has brought respect back to the presidency.
He sure has if you love war and division, strife and an unstable world such as demonstrated in the Middle East. Good job Joe. Good job Brian you have really picked a winner!!!! not!! 🙄
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At this point he is a miracle president who has brought respect back to the presidency.
again I have to thank you for the morning laugh!!
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... People from rural areas believe that somehow a black person is going to find a way to come out to the rural area and rob you. ...
At this point - you've become Un-hinged. Period. Raving mad.
I don't know what you think Rural means Ace. I don't know where you've lived. I've lived Rural most of my days - in way too many states/communities. I've never met anyone who has your 'view' on blacks. ... If you see blacks in that light - that's your [pathetically sad] business.
Do NOT project your views - on those of us who actually live in Rural America. I've known a lot of Fine people. Some had varying "skin tones". ... I've also know some real "losers" - of every "color", (but often "White").
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Do NOT project your views - on those of us who actually live in Rural America.
Read it again Cool. It is not my view. It is what I have witnessed. We rarely lock the doors and my gate is always open.
I guess I am not in a rural area anymore the census has changed. Too many Yankees coming down to FL LOL.
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Yes, Ace, it is your distorted view. I have lived rural for the last 35 years and never even carried a key to my front door until I moved last November. Now I lock my door when we leave. Simple reason, too many transplanted yankees in this new area, all white.
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Simple reason, too many transplanted yankees in this new area, all white.
See what I mean. LOL
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I probably live in a more rural area then all of you. Ace is not too far off on the views. During the Ferguson protest a few years ago they bussed people to the state capitol and the route went though the little white town I live in all the people around here gathered along the road with hate signs. Idiots. Just so you know, I have lived in this rural area my whole life except three years in the army and three years in indiana. I didn't meet my first black till I was seventeen. You guys can fool yourselves about the views in places like mine but I have zero doubt. It will never be everybody but it is enough to be in the majority. If the busses would have stopped, the people on them would have been in real danger.
I don't worry about locking my doors and I never take a key out of my car. I am pretty sure if I was black and here that I would not act this way. They might be friendly to me if black till something sparked them but if sparked, it would not matter if I was great or bad but only blackness that would matter.
Cheers
gww
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Gww, the stuff I watched on the news during these demonstrations showed demonstrators of all colors rioting and looting in Ferguson. Bussing folks in for rioting and looting is not your everyday normal white and black folks of a community... And how did folks of opposition of these bus travelers, know when to come out of the back trails and (pig trails) as sometimes referred to by externally rural folks, speaking of their little narrow dirt and gravel roads. How did they know exactly when to show up with these signs, to wave for the bus loads of demonstrators coming through your far out of the way, off the beaten path little rural community? How did you know when to go and witness this event if you did so? How did your local rural community news know when to arrive as well? Did the demonstrators predestinate, announcing their route of travel ahead of time, along with a time schedule informing your folks when they would be passing through, allowing them to show up with their signs? How else would anyone know when and where to gather, at such an inconspicuous out of the way rural area as you have described for counter demonstrating purposes? How did they know who was even on the bus for that matter? And at the precise place and time, know when to line up with signs prepared for such a purpose?
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ben
Bussing folks in for rioting and looting is not your everyday normal white and black folks of a community
I hate to say this but what an idiotic statement you just made. Is every bus march for rioting and looting? Of course they announced they were traveling to the capitol just like martin luther king jr's most famous march on washington did. Just what possibly is in that to drag everyone from there pig trails etc as you say. Because they were driving though our town, you have this big impetus to go and show hate? You don't see it do you? How did I know? I knew for two reasons. One, I accidently drove through the aftermath going to mom and dads and because it was covered as an idiotic thing to do by the local news stations.
How is it that I heard they were driving through and honestly did not give it a second thought till I went to moms. I can not tell you that I possibly see why it was so important to some in my little area to show so much hate over that. I was only surprised to see signs sayin n----- go home and such. If I had thought my town would be so stupid, I might have went up with a sign saying good luck just to see if I, a life long resident, could survive. I did not see it coming.
You hit the feeling of the town though, it was just like the hate shown to those in many of the marches of matrin luther jr with somebody wanting to bust somebody's head cause they went though their town probably cause they already looked at them as robbers and looters before they ever showed up.
Cheers
gww
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gww, I won't call you any names on that post, but I will say this. I've never seen you write that large a post that I didn't believe one sentence in the whole post. I think it was all made up. You can guess the name I have in mind.
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My statement you quoted.
(Bussing folks in for rioting and looting is not your everyday normal white and black folks of a community)
> I hate to say this but what an idiotic statement you just made.
Yes I said white and black folks were possibly on that bus. Do you think they were bused in segregated? White and black folks were rioting and looting together, were they not? Duh
I am disappointed in you for making such a suggestion with such a closed mind. I could just as easily say the same for your statement . (Idiotic). But I will not as I have tried to show more respect to you, respect that you DO NOT deserve. I wonder why some folks can not think for themselves? Everyone knows that not only was white business burnt to the ground but black minority business were as well. Some of these good people both white and black had their whole life savings tied up in these establishments. Surely YOU do not think the black businesses were burnt down by their own local patroons, which were peacefully protesting? No Sir, most likely by BUSSED IN FOLKS is my personal suspicion. Folks WHITE AND BLACK who did not know one business owner of one establishment from another. Again I mentioned both white and black go back and read! So the next time you call my statement idiotic you might look in the Mirror and you may see the author the real one.
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iddee
Your belief or disbelief will not change what is true. I live in rosebud MO. and true it is
Cheers
gww
Ps You made the same type statement when I lost my license while voting a couple years back but the poll worker that accepted my car registration knew what was true as I do.
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ben
You jump to the conclusion that there was no business owner on that buss that came from Ferguson to go to Jefferson city.
Where do you get off saying there were no every day ferguson citizens on that bus. You guess what was not reported. It was members of the community petitioning the state government. They were bussing in folks from ferguson to jeff city and you insinuate to riot. It is your blanket statement that has nothing to do with the truth. We were talking about busses going to the capitol from ferguson. It is your statement about those busses not mine. You round about justify they should be met with hate for driving though a town based on your stated pre-belief of what was on the busses in two statements now.
I may not deserve or want your respect if to get it is to have to put facts never shown in any way to be true so that hate can be justified. All my town did was prove to jeff city that those on the busses must be right and there is a lot of hate out there. The closest to rioting that happened in my town came from my town due to a couple of busses passing though on their way to somewhere else.
Cheers
gww
Ps I did not call you an idiot, I said you statement was idiotic. I still like some people in my town but that does not mean they can not be wrong sometime (real wrong). Like all, they need to be praised for their good and but not helped in their bad cause none of us are jesus.
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iddee
I shouldn't have to but here you go.
https://www.newstribune.com/news/news/story/2014/dec/04/march-now-bigger-cause/516687/
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gww
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Is every bus march for rioting and looting?
Enough of them were, and here they were all white. They are still rioting here. Furgison was a lie and people died because of that lie. I don't really care what race was involved in perpetuating the lie, they should all be held accountable for the murders and destruction that followed.
I heard interesting commentary on what is currently going on. It explains the actions of groups like BLM. In prior Marxist takeovers, class warfare was the wedge. That doesn't really work here. What else can they use to destroy society? Race warfare. Everything from this CRT crap to that White Fragility piece of nonsense writing, to claims that cops are hunting black people, is designed to do just what it is doing. Destroy the fabric of the country.
If you want to participate in that, at least be aware of what you are doing. You will have to live with the results.
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Nothing new here, charlie manson thought he could start a race war by killing a couple rich white people.
Cheers
gww
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Kathy
We took busses to washington dc as a union to highlight exporting production. It was an effort that may not have born enough fruit but was worth the effort. It is what people do.
Cheers
gww
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Nothing new here, charlie manson thought he could start a race war by killing a couple rich white people.
A race war is not the goal. destruction of the fabric of society is the goal. Along with teaching people to judge each other based on the color of their skin, something we have worked for decades to NOT do, there are any number of other society destroying efforts underway.
All societies have foundations. You can change things here and there without damaging the foundation. If you change too many things too fast and people do not have time to adjust, you have chaos. A lot of our chaos now has nothing to do with race, the race-baiting from the left is just a part of the picture.
We have gone backward by 50 years in the last couple of years. Thank you clueless leftists who don't think things through and vomit back to everyone the destructive nonsense you get on the 6 pm news.
ggw, I read your article. I don't blame those people for protesting. They were prescient. Too bad the rest of us did not recognize the danger at that moment because a lot of lives might have been saved.
Yes, some people said some things that were bad, but it sounds like it was really a mostly peaceful protest.
No one denies that there are racists in the country. They come in many shades. What I don't understand is why any group/race would hold up criminals as heroes and examples. Is that really what we want young people to emulate?
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We took busses to washington dc as a union to highlight exporting production. It was an effort that may not have born enough fruit but was worth the effort. It is what people do.
That's hardly the same as riots, looting, burning, and murder. We have the right to peacefully assemble and seek redress from our government. What is happening still is not protected. Portland had a riot again last night.
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Peaceful because you don't allow your self to be baited into violence is a pretty funny kind of peace.
The rights dog whistles don't count at all to some.
People going to the capitol did not strike the first blow in this case and conflating what was going on to everything going on may miss the point of who in this case was striking the first blow. Unless of course you think two wrongs is the same as two plus two equals four.
Otherism seems to be the rights biggest defense for all bad things that happen.
There are bad on all sides but that does not mean there are no legitimate items to address.
Using otherism to dismiss the good and bad things alike rather then addressing the good is never going to solve anything.
ferguson had more governing issues compared to surrounding place more then just killing a black kid.
Cheers
gww
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gww, all the info I had was your post. I got the idea from it that the march was totally bussed. I had no idea it was a 6 day walk. As I said before, your post lacks a lot of truth. I read your link fully, and I would never got the same thoughts from it as I did from your posts.
I think it's called the lib's spin??
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The rights dog whistles don't count at all to some.
People going to the capitol did not strike the first blow in this case and conflating what was going on to everything going on may miss the point of who in this case was striking the first blow. Unless of course you think two wrongs is the same as two plus two equals four.
What dog whistles are these?
The fist blow was struck when the "hands up, don't shoot" lie was told and people jumped on that and started to riot and loot.
Furguson may have other issues, but they are not what ignited what is going on 2 years of murder and destruction. BLM sure has done well with it all though, haven't they?
Otherism seems to be the rights biggest defense for all bad things that happen.
There are bad on all sides but that does not mean there are no legitimate items to address.
Using otherism to dismiss the good and bad things alike rather then addressing the good is never going to solve anything
Claiming "otherism" is a nice way to try to shut people up. You may have noticed that it doesn't work with me.
The questions are simple. Why does a segment of the black community want to hold up criminals as role models? Why do we expect and accept that a segment of society is going to riot when they don't get their way? Let's be honest. Rioting, looting, and burning things has become the expected reaction from the left for anything they don't like. That's why people were so surprised and caught off guard by the Jan 6th riot in DC. How many other things like that from the right can you name?
Yes there are things to address. We can multi-task. We can address police issues and we can address destructive leftist issues.
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ben
You jump to the conclusion that there was no business owner on that buss that came from Ferguson to go to Jefferson city.
Where do you get off saying there were no every day ferguson citizens on that bus. You guess what was not reported. It was members of the community petitioning the state government. They were bussing in folks from ferguson to jeff city and you insinuate to riot. It is your blanket statement that has nothing to do with the truth. We were talking about busses going to the capitol from ferguson. It is your statement about those busses not mine. You round about justify they should be met with hate for driving though a town based on your stated pre-belief of what was on the busses in two statements now.
I may not deserve or want your respect if to get it is to have to put facts never shown in any way to be true so that hate can be justified. All my town did was prove to jeff city that those on the busses must be right and there is a lot of hate out there. The closest to rioting that happened in my town came from my town due to a couple of busses passing though on their way to somewhere else.
Cheers
gww
Ps I did not call you an idiot, I said you statement was idiotic. I still like some people in my town but that does not mean they can not be wrong sometime (real wrong). Like all, they need to be praised for their good and but not helped in their bad cause none of us are jesus.
> " I may not deserve or want your respect"
Ps I did not call you an idiot, I said you statement was idiotic.
Don't worry yourself about it. You were clear enough for once....
My statement I made, which you named idiotic was a direct reflection of my thoughts and questions to you. I made an honest attempt to understand the odd situation and facts you were talking about. Good honest questions and not one of my questions was out of line or insulting or idiotic .. But you were... You took one statement and blew it up and out of order and proportion, in order to insult me.
>ben
":You jump to the conclusion that there was no business owner on that buss that came from Ferguson to go to Jefferson city."
What an (use your word {idiotic} it fits), statement you just made. Until your last post; post number 153, I had no idea where the bus came from or who was on it because you did not say until 153. You did not disclose who was on it, from your description it could have very well been rioters of looters. "THEY BUSSED PEOPLE to Jefferson City" You did not disclose the purpose of why "they were bussed". The only thing prior to what or where the bus was going was as follows in your first post.
>"During the Ferguson protest a few years ago they bussed people to the state capitol and the route went though the little white town where I live in all the people around here gathered along the road with hate signs. Idiots."
Again you did not say what people were bussed. Looters, rioters, BLM, prisoners lawyers, preachers, prisoners of the riots, or even Santa Clause, as I said before I can not read your mind.
Why do you think I ask you all the questions? From previous conversations with you I have learned I must ask you questions and dig for facts if I wish for a clear understand of your thoughts and meaning of, or what you are even talking about or attempting to say, in many cases. This was again what I was doing, trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. This misunderstanding is just proof once again why it is almost impossible for me to have a reasonable conversation with you, You seem ready to leach out with low down insults at any unprovoked opportunity at any time without notice.
I have told you before, I am not a mind reader, and if I were, I seriously doubt I would be able to read yours. Never, out of all the, "stuff" you have said do I recall naming your statements as idiotic or stupid no matter how they may seem to come across. Though others here of the forum sometimes do use such words In the coffeehouse section, Constitution section, or second amendment section toward one another when frustrated or exasperated with the other. First of all it is not nice, second of all it is against the rules and disrespectful to the person who is being insulted. Rule or no rule I will not tolerate such out of line insults without telling you as I am doing now. But to be honest it's getting a little old trying to reasonably communicate with you. It seems to wind up with your attacks and insults time and time again.
>Where do you get off saying there were no every day ferguson citizens on that bus. You guess what was not reported. It was members of the community petitioning the state government.
AGAIN Until your last post 153, All you said was;
"they bussed people to the state capitol and the route went though the little white town" You did not say who 'they' was that bussed the people out, or who was bussed out that was placed on the bussed to be bussed out or why.. Or where they were bussed from. Until now post 153 You finally disclosed that the bus which came through your hometown was leaving OUT from Ferguson to Jefferson City for petitions sake.
Considering the trauma those poor victimized business owners had endured and were enduring , probably traumatized beyond description from the reign of terror that they and their families had witnessed and endured. Business owners both white and black and probably other colors in between, why would they hop on a bus or as you put it be "bussed" out to Jefferson for petitions sake. What do your well paid representatives and senators get paid for? Why should they have to be "bussed" to be heard and recognized? Why did your state not put a stop the looting and rioting and killing? If this WAS a bus load of FORMER business owners, they should have been helped without partitions or being "bussed". Ferguson should have been helped without partitions. What are the facts? Since you are the expert, calling my statement "idiotic".
Without being vague, WHO EXACTLY OR IN PARTICULAR was being"bussed", victimized business owners?
Never mind, what was I thinking, I am only setting myself for more of your uncalled for insults. Besides, you might have been the driver of the bus as far as I know.....
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This thread has become very hostile. Too many insults thrown back and forth. I?m locking it down. We still don?t make direct insults.
Before you post again, please review the bylaws and abide by the rules. You all have been around long enough to know you went to far.
Take a breath and think before you type.
Jim Altmiller