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Title: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 08, 2017, 11:40:14 pm
I only had two hives I started last year. The one was taken over by wax moths. My last one I just discovered today didn't make it through the winter. I wrapped them here in Michigan and I didn't take any honey. I couldn't find any mites and there was honey left over, mostly in the brood box. I found most of them in the bottom but some looked like they died in place. The whole hive has an old dish rag smell, the best I can describe. I'll start over again this year but any ideas what happened? Should I burn the frames and power wash the rest? I did build a swarm catcher. Should a save some frames as an attractant?
Thanks,
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Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: cao on April 09, 2017, 12:43:43 am
The smell is probably just the dead bees.  They can get a little rank when they start to decompose(it doesn't take long).  As far as why they died I couldn't say without knowing more.  It could have just been that they couldn't break cluster to move to the honey.  I had one of my hives make it through winter and was starting to raise brood for spring.  Then we had a week of freezing temps at night with highs not making it much above freezing.  That hive ran out of food and starved within a week. 
As far as your frames, the ones in the pictures look good to me.  If you had any bees left I would put them on the hive as is.  Without bees I would put them in the freezer until you get some bees(they will help a new hive out a lot).  If you leave them out the beetles and moths will get them.  If there is enough to mess with you could harvest the honey.
Drawn come in swarm traps will help.  Most people only use a small piece for the smell(the darker the better).  If you put a whole frame in the trap, the wax moths will destroy it.
Hope you get more bees soon.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 09, 2017, 01:31:30 am
Cao,
Thanks, I'll keep at it. Already ordered more bees. I didn't know I could freeze the honey. I thought it would be bad.
Thanks
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: Acebird on April 09, 2017, 09:22:36 am
Possibly lost queen in fall.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: Craig Anderson on April 09, 2017, 07:56:31 pm
Possibly lost queen in fall.

I'm curious about them losing the queen in the fall being the reason, would that prevent them from clustering through the winter?
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: Acebird on April 09, 2017, 10:03:44 pm
No but it would explain perfectly clean comb void of all brood.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 10, 2017, 12:58:10 pm
Acebird, maybe. The hive swarmed in July but they made some queen cells I found durning one inspection but I couldn't tell if she matured, and started laying. Since I didn't know what I was doing, I just left them alone and hoped for the best. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/7aceab3454662689fe3a69e42a93482e.jpg)


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Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: GSF on April 10, 2017, 02:33:36 pm
Dang Flex, I hate to hear that about your bees.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: Acebird on April 10, 2017, 02:37:00 pm
Well with that bit of information it could be that the virgin never got mated.  I don't think that was a bad decision to leave them alone but there are risks.  Not all virgins make it.  In July you had enough time to confirm that the virgin got mated.  If not, your only recourse would have been to supply a mated queen if you didn't want to combine them with another.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: chester5731 on April 10, 2017, 08:34:21 pm
Looks like the two packages I started last May. In February the queens were laying but when I checked them this weekend they were both dead. I showed them to my mentor and he said from what he could see all the wet weather we had got to them. They still had honey and pollen left but they were dead a couple frames over. Like they got damp and chilled and didn't move. More bees ordered.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 11, 2017, 05:40:11 am
Dang Flex, I hate to hear that about your bees.

I know, right? Thanks..a little bit of some Freshman hazing huh? Let's see what the Sophamore year brings, shall we?  :wink:
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 11, 2017, 05:43:15 am
Well with that bit of information it could be that the virgin never got mated.  I don't think that was a bad decision to leave them alone but there are risks.  Not all virgins make it.

I found 4 queen cells in that hive. Maybe they duked it out??
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 11, 2017, 05:45:37 am
Looks like the two packages I started last May. They still had honey and pollen left but they were dead a couple frames over. Like they got damp and chilled and didn't move. More bees ordered.

Our State is really tough on bees. I ordered 3 more package bees, one from Michigan this time.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: chester5731 on April 11, 2017, 09:13:46 am



Our State is really tough on bees. I ordered 3 more package bees, one from Michigan this time.
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I ordered four more packages of Italians from Georgia and one ten frame hive of Carnies from up by Cadillac. The Carnies where over wintered in Michigan. We will see what happens.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 11, 2017, 04:53:26 pm



Our State is really tough on bees. I ordered 3 more package bees, one from Michigan this time.
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I ordered four more packages of Italians from Georgia and one ten frame hive of Carnies from up by Cadillac.
My last two were Italians from Georgia. I'm interested how your Cadillac bees will do.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: chester5731 on April 11, 2017, 05:11:20 pm
Flex, did you get your Georgia bees from Napoleon Bee Supply?
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: bwallace23350 on April 11, 2017, 05:45:08 pm



Our State is really tough on bees. I ordered 3 more package bees, one from Michigan this time.
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I ordered four more packages of Italians from Georgia and one ten frame hive of Carnies from up by Cadillac.
My last two were Italians from Georgia. I'm interested how your Cadillac bees will do.

Do you like the Carnies or Italians better?
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: chester5731 on April 11, 2017, 05:55:51 pm
This will be my first experience with carnies. From what I understand they are supposed to overwinter well but we will find out.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: billdean on April 11, 2017, 09:03:59 pm
I install 4 carnie packages last May and so far they have over winter very well. 2 of them are absolutely booming. I got all 4 packages from Turtlebee Farms is Byron, Michigan. I got 150 pounds on honey off them the first year 2016.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: cao on April 11, 2017, 09:57:00 pm
Our State is really tough on bees. I ordered 3 more package bees, one from Michigan this time.

My advise to anyone that buys non local package bees is to consider requeening with a local queen sometime during the summer/fall.  This especially goes the farther north you are.  Local queens will overwinter much better.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 12, 2017, 10:21:29 am
Flex, did you get your Georgia bees from Napoleon Bee Supply?
I mis spoke. Last year I got mine from Draper's PA. ( I was looking at some in Georgia) this year I ordered them from Dadant Hamilton IL. But they have a branch in Michigan so I don't know hoe that works...
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 12, 2017, 10:23:28 am



Our State is really tough on bees. I ordered 3 more package bees, one from Michigan this time.
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I ordered four more packages of Italians from Georgia and one ten frame hive of Carnies from up by Cadillac.
My last two were Italians from Georgia. I'm interested how your Cadillac bees will do.

Do you like the Carnies or Italians better?

I have only had Italians. They were ok when they were living!
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 12, 2017, 10:26:09 am
I install 4 carnie packages last May and so far they have over winter very well. 2 of them are absolutely booming. I got all 4 packages from Turtlebee Farms is Byron, Michigan. I got 150 pounds on honey off them the first year 2016.

I dint even know what Carnies are but I work near Byron. I should check them out!
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: chester5731 on April 12, 2017, 11:51:34 am
I should check them out too. That a little over an hour from me.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: FlexMedia.tv on April 16, 2017, 05:18:50 pm
I might ask this in another thread but I'm starting a new hive tomorrow. I don't think these frames are deseased. I froze the ones with honey. Should I use these frames in the brood box to start the hive?
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: cao on April 16, 2017, 06:16:50 pm
IMO the sooner you get them back in a hive with bees the better.  The darker one that had brood in them already would be ideal for the broodnest.  The ones with honey, I would put them on the outside edges or in a second box on top.
Title: Re: Last hive died off
Post by: billdean on April 16, 2017, 08:36:06 pm
I install 4 carnie packages last May and so far they have over winter very well. 2 of them are absolutely booming. I got all 4 packages from Turtlebee Farms is Byron, Michigan. I got 150 pounds on honey off them the first year 2016.

I dint even know what Carnies are but I work near Byron. I should check them out!

They are great people. They had Italians and Carniolans last year. I am real happy with them. They just sent me a special they are running on packaged bees 3 pound packages of Italians 100.00 and the carniolans were 120.00. They usually have extra package available for people who just walk in. I think the bee farm is in Cohoctah, mi not far from Byron