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13 y.o. kid does good
animal:
Overall, a good news story. Analyzing it, the mom needed more training or counseling, but the kid took up the slack well enough.
Of course, the bad guy is claiming "he went to the wrong house" ... BS. Yeah, right ; but not in the way he claims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1achnBbTUVU
This one got my attention because the kid beat me by a year. The first time I held a guy at gunpoint for the police, I was 14. My case was different and I didn't have to shoot; but I would have been legally justified as far as anyone else could tell, and there were plenty of witnesses to the event. I wouldn't have missed, and he wouldn't have lived.
In this case, most people are breathing a sigh of relief that the meth head didn't die, if only to spare the kid from knowing he had killed someone. Maybe that's a good thing. At least for now it seems to be.
You never know what the future holds though. In my case, I was proud that I had stopped a crime against a woman while using the least amount of force, and apprehending the offender. A few years later, I was humbled by life unfolding, so to speak. After my bad guy got out of prison, he raped and killed a woman and did other bad things. So for a few years, I wondered how much of her blood was on my hands for not taking the shot when I could.
All we can do is our best under the circumstances at hand, but I do hope the kid improves his marksmanship.
Ben Framed:
NFL QB Chad Kelly placed himself in a situation a few years ago that could have easily landed him in the morgue.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-qb-chad-kelly-hit-with-nfl-suspension-over-bizarre-home-invasion-incident-in-2018/
animal:
He walked in as opposed to breaking in and apparently he was obnoxious but not threatening.. stupid drunk category.
I was in that category one night banging on a door about 3:00 am or so. I had been invited over for an all night gaming session but it had gotten canceled and my buddy wasn't even home. His roommate was and we didn't know each other.
So, when roommate answered the door, the business of a .44 was pointed directly at me and all he said was "what do you want?". I told him. He said "Paul isn't here". I said I was sorry that I woke him and staggered off.
Oddly enough, I didn't feel threatened at all (I could tell he knew how to handle a gun and it was perfectly logical for him to have it pointed at me at the time. My main thought was "If I don't give him a reason to fire, he will not. Therefore, I am safe.")
He ended up one of my closest friends and shooting buddys for many years. :cheesy:
You can almost smell someone's training level sometimes. A couple of days after the incident, found out he had been a sniper in the Marine Corps and an avid pistol competition shooter.
Ben Framed:
--- Quote from: animal on September 21, 2023, 05:17:12 pm ---He walked in as opposed to breaking in and apparently he was obnoxious but not threatening.. stupid drunk category.
I was in that category one night banging on a door about 3:00 am or so. I had been invited over for an all night gaming session but it had gotten canceled and my buddy wasn't even home. His roommate was and we didn't know each other.
So, when roommate answered the door, the business of a .44 was pointed directly at me and all he said was "what do you want?". I told him. He said "Paul isn't here". I said I was sorry that I woke him and staggered off.
Oddly enough, I didn't feel threatened at all (I could tell he knew how to handle a gun and it was perfectly logical for him to have it pointed at me at the time. My main thought was "If I don't give him a reason to fire, he will not. Therefore, I am safe.")
He ended up one of my closest friends and shooting buddys for many years. :cheesy:
You can almost smell someone's training level sometimes. A couple of days after the incident, found out he had been a sniper in the Marine Corps and an avid pistol competition shooter.
--- End quote ---
That's true. The intruder in your posted report went as far as to break a window after he had been banging on the door and told to leave. Didn't sound like a friendly friend to whom he said he was seeking. A bad situation.
Breaking in, or simply entering a dwelling uninvited can lead to tragedy. Just as unarming law abiding citizens leaving them helpless to defend themselves and their families can lead to tragedy . Thankfully we have the Second Amendment.
animal:
If they break in while you're gone, they almost always just want your stuff... sucks, but not that big a deal.
If they break in when it's obvious you're there, they are almost always there to do terrible things to you.
My great aunt didn't want a gun because she knew nothing about them. She refused multiple offers from myself and others to teach her and/or give her a gun. I had been wearing her down, trying to get her to go shooting, etc. In one conversation she said something about maybe with an instructor. (she had a bit of a fixation with certifications, degrees etc. .. years of practical experience didn't carry any weight for some reason)
Anyway, in 1990 a guy broke in the back door of her house. He raped her and beat her to death with a 4-D cell flashlight that she kept on her night table.
I got certified as an instructor in firearm safety, pistol, and personal protection. Specialized in making little old ladies deadly for awhile. (also did "emergency" off-the-books crash courses for people that had been threatened) Got tired paying the yearly fee to keep certifications, but still do the courses for people when needed. I used to teach the official course to make it legit on paper, but with my own practical addendum based largely on Cooper and a sprinkling of others. Nowadays, I hear the CERT courses are almost as practical as what I taught. At least 3 women had to use what I taught. All turned out good enough.
IMO, the hardest and most critical thing to teach (especially to women) is depersonalizing the target. Good people hesitate when faced with the prospect of harming another person. Bad guys don't have that handicap.
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