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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #120 on: May 05, 2024, 12:30:56 pm »
Swarming is a two step process.  First the swarm bivouacs and second moves to the new location.  There's nothing wrong with keeping a swarm trap in your yard but a russian scion is even better because you're missing the first step with a trap.  Or at least double the chances of catching the swarm before they move on.  You can catch them easier on a scion attached to a rope and lower them to a hive body.  Im not perfect but can head off most swarms before they happen.  When I see a monster swarm with a great queen in a tree I failed.  Best practices are the responsible thing to do so your bees dont become someone else's problem.  Ive spent a lot of time rearing great queens and bees, I dont want some guy down the road killing them because they are going into his attic, barn, or siding.
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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #121 on: May 06, 2024, 10:41:02 am »
Swarming is a two step process.  First the swarm bivouacs and second moves to the new location.  There's nothing wrong with keeping a swarm trap in your yard but a russian scion is even better because you're missing the first step with a trap.  Or at least double the chances of catching the swarm before they move on.  You can catch them easier on a scion attached to a rope and lower them to a hive body.  Im not perfect but can head off most swarms before they happen.  When I see a monster swarm with a great queen in a tree I failed.  Best practices are the responsible thing to do so your bees dont become someone else's problem.  Ive spent a lot of time rearing great queens and bees, I dont want some guy down the road killing them because they are going into his attic, barn, or siding.

Wish I had known about this before now.  Thanks for the great tip!
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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #122 on: May 06, 2024, 12:20:29 pm »
I put a russian scion out yesterday so I'll see what that does. I didn't get too fancy with it, just a board with wax and lemongrass oil on it. I have a camera on it too so I don't have to go out there to check on it.

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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #123 on: May 06, 2024, 01:29:39 pm »
Been considering adding a game camera to my bee yard to see what kind of animal chews on my hives.  Now I have another reason to add one - the Russian scion strategy.

The solar cellular cameras don't cost that much, plus $20 a month for the T-mobile cellular service.

Considering how much I have lost in swarms and paying for nucs and trips to San Antonio ...
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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #124 on: May 06, 2024, 03:53:40 pm »
Now there's about three times as many bees checking out the trap as any other time they were out there. It's like Alfred Hitchcock's 'The Birds', except it's bees. They hit it hard about 1300 and haven't let up. I don't think they moved in as of yet but it almost looks like it the way they're going in and out. I have my fingers crossed.

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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #125 on: May 06, 2024, 05:58:29 pm »
Sounds a bit like ?the watched pot never boils? syndrome. If you want away on holidays for a period of time, you could almost guarantee a swarm would move in during your absence.

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« Reply #126 on: May 06, 2024, 07:27:38 pm »
There could be some merit to that!

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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #127 on: May 06, 2024, 07:49:54 pm »
Terri,
Sounds like you are about to bee the proud owner of a new hive. 😊
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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #128 on: May 06, 2024, 09:50:20 pm »
Now there's about three times as many bees checking out the trap as any other time they were out there. It's like Alfred Hitchcock's 'The Birds', except it's bees. They hit it hard about 1300 and haven't let up. I don't think they moved in as of yet but it almost looks like it the way they're going in and out. I have my fingers crossed.

Now thats more like it and what I meant in reply #59. Thumbs Up!! Good Luck..
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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #129 on: May 06, 2024, 10:10:13 pm »
Thanks folks. They either left or hunkered down deep inside the hive for the night. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #130 on: May 07, 2024, 09:59:41 am »
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When I see a monster swarm with a great queen in a tree I failed.

Thank you beesnweeds if everyone understood this statement they would; have stronger hives, make more honey, and have in general helthier hives of bees.

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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #131 on: May 07, 2024, 10:15:43 am »
And so far today, activity is light again. There was a post on NextDoor here recently that someone scored a swarm with a marked queen in it.

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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #132 on: May 07, 2024, 01:42:35 pm »
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I plan to check frequently.
If you have your trap within WIFI range, I'd get a camera set up so you don't have to check and won't miss any action. Mine lets me know anytime a bee comes onto the scene (which hasn't happened today) and I can open up the app and watch without having to run out there. I got it tuned pretty good now and am not getting any false alarms. Just bees and cats.

Thanks for the suggestion.  I just ordered a cellular game trail camera.  It will be connected to my T-mobile iPhone.  Moultrie has a turn-key camera and cellular service.  Ordered the lithium battery version instead of the solar powered one because with the battery I can move it around, strap it to tree trunks or fence posts, and keep it better hidden - on a post in the open is too obvious.

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42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

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« Reply #133 on: May 07, 2024, 07:54:29 pm »
I don't know if they are in or if I have the energy today to go back near dark to find out.  Pulled a radiator out of a kabota today and I am beat.  I posted though because of the double entrance stuff earlier in this thread.  Clearly in the picture this trap has a double entrance and some have lots of holes due to using scrap and leaving out for years at a time.  They may be in as something is dragging out the mouse nest that must have been in there.  No matter the case, as I have mentioned many time in this thread.  If I see bees at my traps, I am extremely hopeful cause they could care less about my traps except when looking for a home (almost always). 

I know you can only see a few bees in the picture but I don't take picture taking too seriously as to do better, it is harder.  Quite a few around, just not in the picture.

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« Reply #134 on: May 08, 2024, 02:03:41 am »
Good luck gww!
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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #135 on: May 16, 2024, 05:08:00 pm »
And my swarm trap is hot today. They started about 0800, took a break from 1315 to 1515 and came back. It's not as active as it was the last time. I hope they're not just teasing me again.

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« Reply #136 on: May 16, 2024, 08:42:14 pm »
Good luck.  Maybe a bee keeper is finding his hive swarmed and hiving them before they move.  Sill bees looking is a great sign and I would not bet against them making the move.  Mine turned out a little bigger then was in my mind but not the biggest I have caught but about normal.  Again, good luck.  It is exciting and they are not just looking for no reason.

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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #137 on: May 16, 2024, 10:56:22 pm »
Thanks, I feel like they're just taunting me.  :cheesy:

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Re: Swarm Catching
« Reply #138 on: May 17, 2024, 04:06:50 pm »
I feel like they're just taunting me.
They are your own bees or a neighbors that you see checking out the trap weekly.  You need to move the trap some distance away from your hive to increase the chances of catching a swarm.   When a colony swarms it will cluster on a fence, branch, etc.  Then scouts will look for a new location, when the swarm decides on a new location its typically a few minutes to a few hours.  Rarely do they stick around for more than a day or two.  The bees checking out your trap are not scouts or the swarm would have moved in the same day.  It's very unlikely that so many swarms are looking at your trap in your area.  There or only so many colonies near you, maybe a few unless you live near a beekeeper who keeps a lot of hives. 
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« Reply #139 on: May 17, 2024, 05:02:56 pm »
That is not necessarily my experience.  I have traps spread out in a 30 mile radius including at my hives.  The places I have two or more, they will check most before picking someplace to go.  Sometimes I catch by my hives and sometime in other traps.  I don't catch many with 15 traps but also don't see bees looking to often except when I am convinced there is some kind of swarm activity going on.  If there is nothing sweet in the hive and lemon grass oil, they don't care 90 percent of the time about the trap unless there is a swarm some where or one getting ready to swarm.  It is easy to see if it is my bees by looking at landing places around my bees if I see activity at a trap close. 

I have traps in town and in some pretty remote areas.    It is pretty hard to know what is around you and where and your odds are just as good near your hives as not with the added benefit that if it is your hives, you can walk down and look and just shake them in a box.  To me this would be the only way to tell if it was your bees and if so then yes, if they can find something as good a thousand yards away, they may pick that.  But it is somebody's bees or a hive in a tree or attic if your bees are not swarming. 

The key is they are looking at more then just your trap and may find something.  There is no way to say that a mile from you bees would be better then by your bees as far as swarms go.  I do not discount if it is your bees, the inclination would be for them to put some distance from the mother hive but with only a few hives this is easy to counter.  I contest that your bees check your trap weekly as I am convinced that unless you are putting food in your hive, the bees don't care if not looking to move and that means queen cells or the start of queen cells in your hives if it is your bees looking.  I agree that every once in a while I will see one or two bees hanging around the entrance of a trap for some unknown reason but it happens so seldom that it is just a freak kind of thing or a heavy derth.
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