Use of chemical clearing products in Bee Rescue(s).

[eltalia]

G'day... thanks for dropping by. ;-))

As it happens in Life we(royal) get very comfortable with what works and often
will defend that position vigorously. Yet change happens, ocassionly causing
us(royal) to pause to think on the place of our practices/beliefs against that
wave of "this is the new way, your way is redundant against improved methods".
So it is I throw a topic out there in search of veracity for the statement "you
are poisoning bees".

The backstory (paraphrased) goes like;
A very small part of my offline interest in developments around apiary
management is to accept invites to seminars/workshops. It was during one
of these engagements over the Easter break I delivered my rote "How to
succeed at Rescue for Cutouts and Trapouts".
All went well up until the point on producing the spraybottle loaded with
Phenol(tm). A heckler - every crowd has one - interjected with "you are killing
the bees using that poison". Ignoring the temptation to focus on his freshly
ironed beesuit (in denying (eltalia) speakup) I was making some progress
through heavy yards in quieting the interjector who's main claim to fame was
his qualification as an Allied Health Naturopath, g'mnt employed, up until
another spoke up to offer carbolic acid crystal use for fume boards has been
banned in Australia.
I am not aware of such a ban and so was forced to backout in using reference
to commercialy available product as an option for clearing agent.
Now not all of those are available in Australia so I was well outside my comfort
level, and so promised myself to checkout these products at the first chance.
I am surprised at what I found in just a quick logical search.
Sooo if it helps someone else *and* brings out any other points in any
discussion then I guess the only loser is to be that heckler.

References I found;


Jim (sawdustmaker) writes on clearing chemicals used;
"My bee supplier carries Beedun. It works but not as good as bee quick.
She used to carry the Bee Quick but it melts the plastic and the
manufacture refused to change the spray bottle. I have been keeping
 the Beedun bottles so that when i find Bee Quick i can switch the bottles."


https://trademark.trademarkia.com/beequick-85231689.html
Fischer's trademark for BeeQuick.


https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=37998.0
Discussion within BMA on the use of BeeQuick

https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/#query=carbolic%20acid
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/butyric_acid
Chemists description of base compound for Phenyl/Phenol


https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-phenol-and-carbolic-acid-on-basis-of-number-of-OH-groups-attached-to-benzene-ring

http://www.apiculture.co.za/cgi-bin/books-read.pl?s=2004%20June%20-%20Harvesting%20Honey&book=pinknotes-db.txt
This American b'keep waxes lyrical on the topic of removing beeless supers
 for extraction and mentions all fume board products.


Cheers...

Bill

[max2]

Hi Bill,
interesting topic.
Down our way the pofessional keepers of bees seem to be off fume boards. The seem to use the escape boards. They have the equipment to lift honey supers and slip a board under the day before.
Some years ago they used large blowers with some success.

My mentor, over 40 years ago, used a fume board with Artificial Oil of Almond . I do think this practice was banned years back.

Myself - with 40 or so hives in total have used the brush for many years.
This year, encouraged by a friend, I purchased a Makita Blower - the battery type. Works well for a small set-up.

Soem years ago I enquired about the Fishers product . The manufacturer told me then that it was not permitted in OZ.

Looking forward to the discussion and facts
keep well
max

[eltalia]

Hi Bill,
interesting topic.
Down our way the pofessional keepers of bees seem to be off fume boards.
The seem to use the escape boards. They have the equipment to lift honey supers and
slip a board under the day before.
Some years ago they used large blowers with some success.

My mentor, over 40 years ago, used a fume board with Artificial Oil of Almond . I do think this
practice was banned years back.

Myself - with 40 or so hives in total have used the brush for many years.
This year, encouraged by a friend, I purchased a Makita Blower - the battery type. Works well for a small set-up.

Soem years ago I enquired about the Fishers product . The manufacturer told me then that it was not permitted in OZ.

Looking forward to the discussion and facts
keep well
max

Yeh Max, up to speed on desupering for extraction I am looking more for a direct reference/link
to CACs as a fume agent being banned...news to me. The almond oil is butyric acid, different stuff.
G00gl unfortunately tends to only pop populist searches as results, and without a computer the
deeper web search is just not possible. I found where Canada banned Fischers claiming crytals
could form on product below which makes me think something similar may be possible with CACs
as vapour falls through the whole of the config.
Then again it could be another case of a little bit of truth being spread about as an inaccurate
meme.
Dunno... an' that niggles moi. ;-))

Cheers...

Bill.