There is no lockdowns in this country yet and long haul truck drivers are being replaced by computers. So they have a different beef.
The truck drivers were from one company, Toll, and it was because of the lockdown toll on their livelihoods.
Geoff
Right now we have a son in hospital following major surgery and an old school mate of mine in the same predicament and neither are allowed visitors. The wives take in fresh clothes and things to be left at the front desk for them and pick up things to take home.
At some point, most of us are going to be exposed.No doubt about it but who will die and who will have medical problems for the rest of their life due to the side effects of covid? We are starting to get a little push back from insurance companies but in the long run who is going to pay for bad decisions?
My point is that this virus seems to follow a seasonal path.Yes it followers behavior when people let their guard down during the holidays or events. Nothing earth shattering about the results.
I think you will be ok.
https://apnews.com/article/new-zealand-earthquake-tsunami-warning-215ef80cf3eb9b2638d12bc81ed3e254
So without BF commentary, what is going on ?
BF can you just shut up and listen? Every comment you need to respond? JSUAGA
I'm out
J
God bless you all.
Also Kathy we've copped the Portland Virus, thugs are taking on the police in Melbourne's CBD. Very ugly.
Well Skeggley and Geoff,Hi mate, if you?re still with us, yes, it does seem to be getting ugly over there unfortunately.
Looks like things are changing.
Do you guys see this on your local news?
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/working-class-rebellion-in-melbourne-20000-freedom-lovers-march-on-parliament/
To me none of this seems logical as only the unvaccinated are at risk and I can see no benefit to the business itself as the virus will continue to be in society once the restrictions are lifted when the numbers are met.Sadly this is not the case with a virus. As infections spike the virus will mutate eventually requiring new vaccines to combat. This virus could be defeated but we are in such a mis-information world these days it looks like it is going to happen the hard way. The country, group, or location that works together will have a booming economy while those that don't will have a great recession. It actually is a prime opportunity to get back at China because their vaccines is junk. Another benefit to us is as the virtual walls go up every time there is outbreak. We will be forced to make things here again giving the survivors jobs. This could make immigration even more of a problem then it is right now.
Sadly this is not the case with a virus. As infections spike the virus will mutate eventually requiring new vaccines to combat. This virus could be defeated but we are in such a mis-information world these days it looks like it is going to happen the hard way. The country, group, or location that works together will have a booming economy while those that don't will have a great recession. It actually is a prime opportunity to get back at China because their vaccines is junk. Another benefit to us is as the virtual walls go up every time there is outbreak. We will be forced to make things here again giving the survivors jobs. This could make immigration even more of a problem then it is right now.Hi Ace, to be clear I?m not an antivaxer, I?m not trying to derail this thread nor am I a scientist but my understanding, and I may be wrong I often am, simply put is that even if vaccinated it is still possible to carry and transmit the virus and vaccination was to minimise our bodies reaction to it and to keep the hospitals from overflowing so it will never be truely defeated and as it already is it will mutate over time so booster shots will be required like the flu shots.
vaccination was to minimise our bodies reaction to it and to keep the hospitals from overflowing so it will never be truely defeated and as it already is it will mutate over time so booster shots will be required like the flu shots.
Hi Ace, to be clear I?m not an antivaxer, I?m not trying to derail this thread nor am I a scientist but my understanding, and I may be wrong I often am, simply put is that even if vaccinated it is still possible to carry and transmit the virus and vaccination was to minimise our bodies reaction to it and to keep the hospitals from overflowing so it will never be truely defeated and as it already is it will mutate over time so booster shots will be required like the flu shots.You are correct but the flu has never shut down any economy. It has never limited anyone's freedoms. A pandemic is quite different. What is sad is that we have the technology and the where with all to stop covid dead if we had the unity that we have had in the past when fighting world wars. There is no doubt in my mind that pharma is taking advantage of the situation to the point that they may be involved in supporting the right wingers to keep covid going. Certainly not beyond the capability of corporate America.
You are correct but the flu has never shut down any economy. It has never limited anyone's freedoms. A pandemic is quite different. What is sad is that we have the technology and the where with all to stop covid dead if we had the unity that we have had in the past when fighting world wars. There is no doubt in my mind that pharma is taking advantage of the situation to the point that they may be involved in supporting the right wingers to keep covid going. Certainly not beyond the capability of corporate America.
Like most of the media the vision and voices can form ones impression of what is actually happening but the events in Melbourne seem to be thugs or would be thugs just out to have a scrap with authorities and should not be described as protesters but Rioters.
As for the image of the lady on the ground being pepper sprayed takes me back to the shots of one police with a knee on George Floyds neck while his off-
siders stood by and just watch another human beings life snuffed out. The vision of the other three just standing there watching turned my guts over and those are still as clear today as it was then. If four trained officers could not control one man it beggars belief.l
I am not pro George Floyds character nor anti-pro police and authority but how often do we get a true representation of so many events happening at home and around the world.
Kathyp
We have had pandemics before. We have had flu pandemics before. You are correct that they did not shut us down. Doing so this time was our choice and it was a bad one.
I have not studied this and do not have numbers and details.
The drugs killed Floyd.There appears to be forensic evidence that this is false. The cop was found guilty.
An entire segment of our population made him into a hero and that's not a very good model for kids coming along.
There appears to be forensic evidence that this is false. The cop was found guilty.
What he stands for is a clear indication of racism not a standard for good behavior.
They upheld a criminal as a saint without comment on what he really was..You have no clue what it takes to be declared a saint.
I have no words for these scenes out of Australia. They get worse as you scroll down.
Kathyp
I completely support people protesting government overreach. If we allow our governments to do as they are doing in the name of this emergency, they will continue. My governor has continued her emergency powers and rules outside our state constitution. In a sane world, she'd be booted out of office. In this world, people are going around praising her lawlessness because she's "keeping us safe".
When you habituate a population to following illegal orders, and taking your freedom in the name of keeping you safe, you are done as a free people.
but remember, the press makes things look worse than they are, most of the time. The exceptions are Antifa and BLM riots in which case they can stand in front of burning buildings and talk about mostly peaceful protests :wink:
Friday update.. Number of cases are now ten times what they were a week ago and deaths have also escalated so where is our premiers' great Road Map leading the community
Stopping would require a totalitarian state. Controlling would require cooperation from the general public. The economic stress we are feeling today is mostly due to the general public.
They did.QuoteStopping would require a totalitarian state. Controlling would require cooperation from the general public. The economic stress we are feeling today is mostly due to the general public.
Then China should have been able to stop it, shouldn't they?
The economic stress we are feeling is due to bad policy.For sure, from republican Trump supporters and wannabes. Biden's mandatory vaccines is working. Too bad republicans stalled the recovery and the economy has taken the hit. The only thing hurting China is that they are tied to our economy.
All I know is many people KNOW what should have been done...but only with the benefit of hindsight.
If only I knew what the national lottery number were before they drew it......
Then China should have been able to stop it, shouldn't they?
They did.
For sure, from republican Trump supporters and wannabes. Biden's mandatory vaccines is working. Too bad republicans stalled the recovery and the economy has taken the hit. The only thing hurting China is that they are tied to our economy.
An aside to our problems are the reports from Russia of 30,000 cases a day and hundreds of deaths.Pandemics like famine are a way of reducing the poor population in the world.
Ah, so you admit I have sources! I do not use right wing, off the wall sources because their accuracy and truthfulness has been proven wrong time and time again if they weren't out and out lies to begin with. Credibility is an important thing. If your leader is a pathological liar you don't have much to go on.
Lol. You are obviously not an economist and we already know you use bad sources of info,
your leader
Ah, so you admit I have sources! I do not use right wing, off the wall sources because their accuracy and truthfulness has been proven wrong time and time again if they weren't out and out lies to begin with. Credibility is an important thing.
I can and have proved you wrong over and over, you obviously use bad sources.Don't want to rehash all your chest thumping's but that is mostly what it has been. All long way from proof.
Poor Phil gets sucked into anything he finds on YouTube or Fox fake.
Sorry Ben but I dont know where that video originated from but that is possibly the biggest load of tripe I have ever seen on any media. To visit any museum around the world ,you should not find any bows and arrows attributed to indigenous Australians as they just did not use them.
As for the officials in the clip those uniforms dont belong in Australia, in fact I thought it was that far out I actually had a laugh about it ! !
Sorry Ben but I dont know where that video originated from but that is possibly the biggest load of tripe I have ever seen on any media. To visit any museum around the world ,you should not find any bows and arrows attributed to indigenous Australians as they just did not use them.
As for the officials in the clip those uniforms dont belong in Australia, in fact I thought it was that far out I actually had a laugh about it ! !
Sorry Ben but I dont know where that video originated from but that is possibly the biggest load of tripe I have ever seen on any media. To visit any museum around the world ,you should not find any bows and arrows attributed to indigenous Australians as they just did not use them.
As for the officials in the clip those uniforms dont belong in Australia, in fact I thought it was that far out I actually had a laugh about it ! !
May be fake? It is fake full stop.
The thing is Geoff is that people believe this tripe invented by conspiracists.
It does not make me laugh but sad that anyone can even take this for fact, educated or not.
Inconceivable.
Phil did you ever think that the fake stories just gets parroted by the other sources? And you join in...Poor Phil gets sucked into anything he finds on YouTube or Fox fake.
Well Brian you are barking up the wrong tree once again. It may be fake.
Phil did you ever think that the fake stories just gets parroted by the other sources?
0.012 death rate? And yes I cheated and used a calculator :grin:
Probably lower than that when you factor in asymptomatic cases and unreported cases.
So do you, or we, close down the country for what is a very contagious, but very survivable virus?
Of course, here we don't have any borders so I guess it would be easier for you guys :wink:
Florida now has America's lowest COVID rate.
Yahoo News
Finally you state the truth. Florida also has the highest percentage of old people. Most are vaccinated or died. Many died because they stayed at home for fear of going to the hospital. Many couldn't get in a hospital because they were jammed with covid. It's all good Phil because there are plenty of old people coming into the state to replace the ones that die.
Get a load of this Kathy from Yahoo News and others. Florida, has a bit of good news...
Though politics and views differ on how to handle this, Florida chose a different approach. Florida has been under a microscope for its different approach toward covid
You must of missed the special on PBS recently on Dr Fauci. The man is so accomplished and renown that he survived Trump.
I don't think anyone argues that pandemics, plagues, or even famine can be solved naturally over time. The costs is simply lives. I can't quite wrap my head around lives not mattering much unless they are unborn. How two faced.
And I already told you but you ignore answers. I will say it again.
I asked you before: What do you think should have been done differently? How would you handle things now?
Are you saying there should have been proof of residency before anyone got a vaccine? Maybe they needed to show ID?
And I already told you but you ignore answers. I will say it again.
None of the old people should have been vaccinated first. They would have been safe by staying and home and not flying around the country to get a vaccine. If you wanted to save the old people in nursing homes all that was needed was a mandatory vaccination of the workers and follow normal infectious protocols.
Now that the supply has been met there should be a mandate for vaccines for everyone because people are too stupid to do the right thing on their own.
I don't think anyone argues that pandemics, plagues, or even famine can be solved naturally over time. The costs is simply lives. I can't quite wrap my head around lives not mattering much unless they are unborn. How two faced.
If you wanted to save the old people in nursing homes all that was needed was a mandatory vaccination of the workers and follow normal infectious protocols.
Now that the supply has been met there should be a mandate for vaccines for everyone because people are too stupid to do the right thing on their own.
None of the old people should have been vaccinated first. They would have been safe by staying and home and not flying around the country to get a vaccine. If you wanted to save the old people in nursing homes all that was needed was a mandatory vaccination of the workers and follow normal infectious protocols.
you ignore the over one year before the vaccine when "normal infections protocols" were not working for this virus.Here you go writing your own history again. Normal infections protocols did work and still work otherwise every healthcare worker would be infected.
Capable because the virus was not nipped in the bud. Most pass through infections have occurred because of some other medical issue.
Latest UK data suggests that double vaccinated people are still capable of passing on the virus even whilst showing little or no symptoms.
When a nation is under attack freedom is taken away. They call it the military. Sometimes it is voluntary but mostly not. The fact is if Trump was successful in starting another war everyone would be vaccinated including his base.
Freedom is messy.
Normal infections protocols did work and still work otherwise every healthcare worker would be infected.
Capable because the virus was not nipped in the bud.
When a nation is under attack freedom is taken away. They call it the military. Sometimes it is voluntary but mostly not. The fact is if Trump was successful in starting another war everyone would be vaccinated including his base.
Nope..... pass through infections are happening with perfectly healthy people who have been double vaccinated.. Or at least in the UK they are.
Capable because the virus was not nipped in the bud. Most pass through infections have occurred because of some other medical issue.
Nope..... pass through infections are happening with perfectly healthy people who have been double vaccinated.. Or at least in the UK they are.
The only thing the vaccines appear to be doing is keeping people from getting as sick as they might without,More misinformation. The vaccine, like all vaccines prevent the recipient from getting the disease in 90% of the cases. For those that do have a break through case it makes the infection less severe and shortens the time of infection. If you prevent the disease from finding other hosts the disease peters out, quickly. That is how vaccines work. If you don't have a vaccine the virus spreads, gets stronger and will take many, many more casualties. This is like 5th grade science. I am beginning to wonder how many people on beemaster have a high school diploma.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/vaccinesNope..... pass through infections are happening with perfectly healthy people who have been double vaccinated.. Or at least in the UK they are.
Capable because the virus was not nipped in the bud. Most pass through infections have occurred because of some other medical issue.
If you prevent the disease from finding other hosts the disease peters out, quickly. That is how vaccines work. If you don't have a vaccine the virus spreads, gets stronger and will take many, many more casualties. This is like 5th grade science. I am beginning to wonder how many people on beemaster have a high school diploma.
Ahhh I see the obfuscation argumenta .... from stating only break through infections were in people with medical conditions has now illogically migrated to what fool etc......https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/vaccinesNope..... pass through infections are happening with perfectly healthy people who have been double vaccinated.. Or at least in the UK they are.
Capable because the virus was not nipped in the bud. Most pass through infections have occurred because of some other medical issue.
Review the data. Try to understand what the data says. Then answer the question, what fool would not take the vaccine?
Anything can be over loaded but the real question is, if exposed to smaller amounts of virus, it is true that the virus can not take hold in a portion of the vaccinated at all and is therefore stopped in its tracks from being spread by the vaccinated person. Even if this amount that this happens in is 50% and break through cases still happen and still spread, 50% is much better odds of slowing the virus and of you not being the one that kills some one else that is not vaccinated or is susceptible to a break through. In other words, are you helping or hurting when you could be helping. Secondly, If vaccinated keeps the infection low enough even if sick to not over load the health care system so that others are not left by the way due to not enough health care resources, Is that not a good thing and a choice that the person can help or hurt?
My point is that this is not going to be a virus that we conquer. It is going to be one that we learn to live with.Only because forced vaccinations have not become the norm.
To all the posters on this forum and this thread have you noticed that I dont debate with KathyP, I dont like losing ! !Marching to Kathy's rhetoric does not make you a winner. In most cases it makes you uninformed or just a follower.
Only because forced vaccinations have not become the norm.
You don't find it ironic that school children already are subject to forced vaccinations and very few people were up in arms about the long term effects. Most understand that the long term effects are good.
Your hesitancy was said to be "not fully approved" and now it is. The real reason for all this hoopla is political. It is an attempt to make Biden look bad when none of it is his fault.
The vaccine does not keep people from getting the virus or from spreading it.You keep spewing this misinformation. It does keep most people from getting the disease. It doesn't guarantee that you won't get the disease because it is your own immune system that fights it off in the first place.
Many of the vaccines that are available only affect the person receiving it. That is NOT the case with covid and many other vaccines that kids already have to have to go to school.
I just registered a boat in the state of FL. The governor is standing in the way of mask mandates for schools but no one can enter a county building without a mask. So no one can get a drivers license or ID without a mask.
No one really knows the long term effect for a young child that gets infected with covid. I suspect the disease is much much worse then a vaccine that leaves your body in a few days.
I just registered a boat in the state of FL.
You begin with the premise that it is OK to force anyone to have any vaccine.Nope. didn't say that at all. The brain sees what I said but lacks the understanding of the words.
Even so, our prior vaccination of children has not been without disaster. The polio vaccine would be a good example.No longer having polio outbreaks is a bad thing???
This vaccine was not made in the same way and has not had rigorous testing in kids. While it seems pretty safe for adults and is a good idea for those who are most at risk, we can't say the same yet for kids.We absolutely know that covid is bad for kids, the economy and life in general.
I just registered a boat in the state of FL. The governor is standing in the way of mask mandates for schools but no one can enter a county building without a mask. So no one can get a drivers license or ID without a mask.
In TX people do what is right for them. Happier people.Until a catastrophic event. Then its "help me, help me we are suffering".
I will also tell you that from a medical POV, the masks that people are wearing and the way in which they are wearing them, makes them useless. You will never find a medical professional working with contagious patients wearing the kind of masks people on the streets are wearing. Additionally, a virus is so small that it is not going to respect a mask. It will hold your spit and snot, but the virus will go right through and around. Thinking that kids will wear even ineffective masks properly for hours in school is just stupid.More mis information. The mask no matter how they are made reduce the distance the virus travels which is the reason for the 6ft distance. I have seen many people using the throw away medical masks that medical professionals use on a daily basis. You are just flat out wrong.
What we need and are not getting in this country, is research.
All of the above.
Congratulations Ace did you get the type which motor runs on fossil fuels that causes C02 greenhouse emissions, or maybe a battery powered electric motor, or a simple efficient 'green powered' row boat? :grin:
Working on herd immunity. Surely it is the reason for holding back vaccines in poor countries.
Today 18/11/21 in the state of Victoria over 1000 cases of Covid and 12 deaths due to Covid and among the cases and deaths almost all are unvaccinated !
Surely it is the reason for holding back vaccines in poor countries.Are you suggesting Australia is poor?
No, but like this country there are sections that are very poor.QuoteSurely it is the reason for holding back vaccines in poor countries.Are you suggesting Australia is poor?
Our Premier has shut his office due to threats against his staff with protests continuing across our nation all fed with Q Anon disinformation.
Between all the new rules and all the political push and shove I think most of us were happier when in full lock-down ! !
People don't like being ordered to do a thing and they get their backs up about it.Must be what is wrong with our military.
We do have multiple vaccines that will stop it. What we are lacking is intelligence in the general population to understand how it works.
We have 100 years of study to know that masks don't work and enough experience with virus to know that it runs its course no matter what we do...unless we get a vaccine that stops it and we don't have that.
We do have multiple vaccines that will stop it. What we are lacking is intelligence in the general population to understand how it works.
Stop the mis-information.
I know that your statements come from mis-information and personal beliefs. It does not come from medical science or past history.
You believe all democrats are from the far left. You believe socialism is no good unless it favors a republican but they you try to claim it isn't socialism.
You believe all democrats are from the far left. You believe socialism is no good unless it favors a republican but they you try to claim it isn't socialism.Ace
Head and brick wall spring to mind as regards KP. Maybe time to stop hurting yourself
Two illegal border jumpers just released after three months jail simply to attend a football grand-final.You?d be hard pushed to find a West Aussie feeling sorry for those guys Geoff, do the crime do the time. We?ve enjoyed all the freedoms here during the pandemic and now the virus is in the state again due to an unvaccinated traveller from over east, restrictions are back. NYE festivals cancelled.
Will get back on messenger for another chat one day Kathy but I just dont seem to sync with US west coast times.
Cheers to y'all, Geoff.
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