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Re: We need to remove the left from Power
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2021, 02:52:53 pm »
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What on earth makes you think that only happens here?  Come out of your box Phil, there is a whole world out there.

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es there is a whole world out there. With that in mind, where in the world exist a nation with more diversity than America? Why did you family come here? What nation since the fall of Biblical Babylon has so many people from so many nations from all over the world representing so many races of people and tongues, come together? What nation has provided a blueprint for each one of its diversified individual citizens, any (stronger) than America and our American Constitution?  Aren't you excited and grateful for our Constitution, yours and mine? Didn't the hippies even recognize this back in the Sixties?

The only country that I can think of off the top of my head that has as much "diversity" is Britain.  They have had the same growing pains, but until fairly recently they did a good job of making people who lived there Brits, not hyphenated Brits.  Multiculturalism is the greatest failure and greatest threat to any nations identity.  Unless you are going to keep people out as Japan does, you have to have a national identity that you expect/require people to embrace if you are going to let them in.

> you have to have a national identity


The Constitution as drawn up by the faith of its author, James Madison, should be that foundation, that place of American national identity. Should it not?
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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Re: We need to remove the left from Power
« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2021, 04:14:18 pm »
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The Constitution as drawn up by the faith of its author, James Madison, should be that foundation, that place of American national identity. Should it not?

The identity is more laid out in the Declaration of Independence.  It is put into law by the Constitution.  In this way we are different.  The ideals in the Declaration are supported by law. Another way we are different is that we declare that our rights come from our Creator and not from man.  What the Creator gives man can not take.

  Ideals are a goal.  We have had to do things to adjust to the goals.  Not every adjustment we have done is good, but everything has been in an effort to realize the dream. 

The Constitution/law is only as good as our faithfulness to it.  If it is ignored or perverted, there is no enforcement mechanism.  We simply lose the protection and there is nothing to be done about it.

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: We need to remove the left from Power
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2021, 05:57:34 pm »
the chances of it happening here are far greater because of our well thought out Constitutional Document;
Only if you are white Phil.  The constitution may say we are all equal but that doesn't make it so.  At the time it was written a woman certainly wasn't equal.  The document had to be modified.  And so it was but women are still not equal.  So in a lot of cases the document is just a group of words.
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Re: We need to remove the left from Power
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2021, 05:58:27 pm »
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The Constitution as drawn up by the faith of its author, James Madison, should be that foundation, that place of American national identity. Should it not?

The identity is more laid out in the Declaration of Independence.  It is put into law by the Constitution.  In this way we are different.  The ideals in the Declaration are supported by law. Another way we are different is that we declare that our rights come from our Creator and not from man.  What the Creator gives man can not take.

  Ideals are a goal.  We have had to do things to adjust to the goals.  Not every adjustment we have done is good, but everything has been in an effort to realize the dream. 

The Constitution/law is only as good as our faithfulness to it.  If it is ignored or perverted, there is no enforcement mechanism.  We simply lose the protection and there is nothing to be done about it.

>Another way we are different is that we declare that our rights come from our Creator and not from man.  What the Creator gives man can not take.

Agreed. That is why I carefully said "The Constitution as drawn up by the faith of its author, James Madison, should be that foundation, that place of American national identity."
Faith being the key word. James Madison had a tremendous faith in our Creator as noted in many of his quotes. I believe that faith In Our Almighty God was The Inspiration of his writing of that document, The Constitution which protects all citizens. Whether they share this faith or not.

>The Constitution/law is only as good as our faithfulness to it.  If it is ignored or perverted, there is no enforcement mechanism.  We simply lose the protection and there is nothing to be done about it.

Again agreed. This document is so important to America that every elected official swears an oath to protect it when sworn in public office. That oath is also sworn by every service member of our armed forces. I firmly believe this document written by James Madison, inspired by faith in our Heavenly Father, our Creator, is the center of the pendulum that is so often talked about. (swinging to the right and swinging back to the left) as the expression often used in political talk. If each American would truly look to this inspired document and uphold this document, as written, the right and left would not be very far apart in political views and America would be the better off? 
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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Re: We need to remove the left from Power
« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2021, 06:21:31 pm »
the chances of it happening here are far greater because of our well thought out Constitutional Document;
Only if you are white Phil.  The constitution may say we are all equal but that doesn't make it so.  At the time it was written a woman certainly wasn't equal.  The document had to be modified.  And so it was but women are still not equal.  So in a lot of cases the document is just a group of words.

As you said the Constitution has been amended. And in a way that did not contradict its original writing when adding minorities and women as full and equal citizens with full and equal rights and privileges. Do you not recognize this amendment as being the law of the land? It guarantees that each individual citizen does most certainly have the same rights and privileges. If any citizens rights are violated we have courts to correct any wrongs as laid out by our Constitution as gww has so plainly stated time and time again. And furthermore; If a person whose rights have been violated by a bios person in any case be it race, gender, or any other violation of the Constitution, can not afford a lawyer, there are non profit groups who will gladly take the case. Adding if each judge, by the way also swears an oath to our Constitution, upholds our Constitution then those rights are sealed.
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Re: We need to remove the left from Power
« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2021, 09:04:45 pm »
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Only if you are white Phil.  The constitution may say we are all equal but that doesn't make it so.  At the time it was written a woman certainly wasn't equal.  The document had to be modified.  And so it was but women are still not equal.  So in a lot of cases the document is just a group of words.

The constitution doesn't address equality as such.  Its only purpose in the equality arena is to make us equal under the law.  And yes, we have adjusted it as we have gone along.  We probably didn't need to amend it to do that, we just needed to follow it.  An amendment is the path that was chosen. 
Being white has nothing to do with it because, as you point out, we fixed those issues. 

The idea of women not being equal is ridiculous.  The pay disparity that the left so often points to does not exist if you compare equal jobs, hours, and education.  In fact, we now have more women getting degrees than men.  Let's hope they are getting degrees in something that pays and not something stupid like gender studies. 
Yale was sued by the DOJ,  a suit that the Biden DOJ just dropped, for racist entry policies.  Asians and whites were being passed up for black and Latino entrants even if they were more or equally qualified so that Yale could meet its self-imposed "diversity" quota.  That is the very definition of racist policy...or as the left likes to call it, institutional racism. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: We need to remove the left from Power
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2021, 08:52:02 am »
Kathy, I don't believe in quotas.  I agree with you they support racism.  I whole heartedly disagree with you that inequalities don't exist.  The only place where equalities exist are in unions.  But unions kill the incentive to do better.  The not so good are equal to the norm and the exceptional are curtailed from excelling.
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« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2021, 01:18:23 pm »
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I whole heartedly disagree with you that inequalities don't exist.

I am not saying that there are no inequalities anywhere.  Most of the ones that people point to do not take into account all of the factors in how people work and earn though.

For other things, there are already laws.  If someone feels they have been treated unfairly they can use those laws. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: We need to remove the left from Power
« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2021, 07:57:09 pm »
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That is why I carefully said "The Constitution as drawn up by the faith of its author, James Madison, should be that foundation, that place of American national identity."
Faith being the key word. James Madison had a tremendous faith in our Creator as noted in many of his quotes. I believe that faith In Our Almighty God was The Inspiration of his writing of that document, The Constitution which protects all citizens. Whether they share this faith or not.

I think a more motivating force for all of them was that this country is free of a government run by the church.  Their primary examples from the times were Catholocism, Islam, and the Anglican church.  All were intertwined in government in a way that excluded anyone with different beliefs, even punished those who believed differently, and did it with the power of the government. 

Protestant Christianity is about personal choices.  The founders had varying degrees of faith and expressed it in different ways...or no ways, but their overriding goal was that people be free to do as they wished in both religion and life as long as they were not damaging each other or the country.

None of them ever said that religion should be removed from the public square or that it should not be practiced/expressed by public servants.  In fact, many of them encouraged it and spoke of their faith often, as did later members of government right to this day.  Notice what a big deal the press has made of Bidens' faith?

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They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: We need to remove the left from Power
« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2021, 01:23:24 pm »
>Protestant Christianity is about personal choices.  The founders had varying degrees of faith and expressed it in different ways...or no ways, but their overriding goal was that people be free to do as they wished in both religion and life as long as they were not damaging each other or the country.

Yes agreed, that is why I included in my statement  "The Constitution which protects all citizens. Whether they share this faith or not."  It is my opinion the author of the Constitution and founders who passed it into law, were wise to know that if they wanted to pursue and insure their own beliefs for now and future generations, these beliefs must be protected by freedom to do so. The Constitution does insure this as well. Just as a person has a right to accept or reject God and His Holy Son, given by God Himself, So does America second that same right.  Freedom of religion for those who do believe as well as those who do not believe.  This provision within itself is unique in my opinion.. Very wise....

>None of them ever said that religion should be removed from the public square or that it should not be practiced/expressed by public servants.  In fact, many of them encouraged it and spoke of their faith often, as did later members of government right to this day.  Notice what a big deal the press has made of Bidens' faith?

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« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2021, 09:47:05 am »
If someone feels they have been treated unfairly they can use those laws.
Laws don't mean anything unless they are enforced.
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« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2021, 12:39:29 pm »
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Laws don't mean anything unless they are enforced.

That's true.  Laws don't mean anything if people don't take advantage of them.  There are any number of federal and state laws that apply to equal pay, etc. 

Most of the complaining about equality is not about race, but about gender.  Because the apple to apple comparison disproves the complaint, the argument has been changed.

Now the argument is "If we value women as mothers and keepers of the home, they should be paid the same even if they do not work the same hours, or seek the same advancements". 

Just had a conversation with someone that goes to this.  There was a recent complaint that the organization he works for did not have enough women on the committees.  What the complainants didn't know is that two women had been offered positions on one of the most important boards, but had turned them down.   Reason?  The meetings were held in the evening after work and they had kids at home.  That's a reasonable choice to make.  The extra money was not worth the extra time. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2021, 03:06:05 pm »
The left thinks we should all get to the finish line together.  The right thinks we should all be at the starting line together...
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« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2021, 10:11:24 pm »
Yeah!

The left wants to slit my throat. The right wants to stab me in the back.

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« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2021, 01:35:13 am »
Yeah!

The left wants to slit my throat. The right wants to stab me in the back.

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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.