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BEEKEEPING LEARNING CENTER => DOWN UNDER BEEKEEPING => Topic started by: eltalia on August 27, 2018, 12:03:06 am

Title: Justification "in the fullness of Time" - Queen Rearing article
Post by: eltalia on August 27, 2018, 12:03:06 am

...jes floated across my desk. July '18.
Seems a USA study has justified the patience and skills of
the age old process in queen rearing, selective incubation.

If nothing else the work casts a shadow over grafting, notching
and AI efforts from mass produced queen supply "farms".
Ol' Aussie b'keeps as Norman V Rice & Co. will be smiling, in looking
through this window of posthumous revelation. :-)))

Bill

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6040692/

Title: Re: Justification "in the fullness of Time" - Queen Rearing article
Post by: Acebird on August 27, 2018, 08:53:20 am

The mass breeding of any animal is good for the individual animal but not so good for the species.

Title: Re: Justification "in the fullness of Time" - Queen Rearing article
Post by: RobboWA on October 04, 2018, 03:32:03 am

Very interesting article Bill, made for a good read!

Title: Re: Justification "in the fullness of Time" - Queen Rearing article
Post by: max2 on October 06, 2018, 04:06:45 am

Thanks for this article. I had to wait for a rainy afternoon to read it.
I'm not sure what I'm getting from this.
If there are " Royal families" which bees select from for queen rearing would this mean that in the case of grafting for queen rearing the best larvae may not choosen?
I read Jay Smith's " Better Queens " book some time ago and what i got out of this was that rather then rearing queens in queen cells from grafteed larvae it would be better to let the bees produce their own cells and introduce these cells into ( for example) nuc's rather then mated queens.
What are others getting out of this?

This year I did let my bees produce their own queens ( by making up nuc's with  a mix of brood from eggs to sealed brood) and with few exceptions the bees produced queens which produced lovely patterns of brood. Too early to know in most cases if the nuc's are better then those with introduced , mated queens.

You never stop learning...

Title: Re: Justification "in the fullness of Time" - Queen Rearing article
Post by: blackforest beekeeper on October 06, 2018, 05:02:07 am

Quote from: max2 on October 06, 2018, 04:06:45 am

Thanks for this article. I had to wait for a rainy afternoon to read it.
I'm not sure what I'm getting from this.
If there are " Royal families" which bees select from for queen rearing would this mean that in the case of grafting for queen rearing the best larvae may not choosen?
I read Jay Smith's " Better Queens " book some time ago and what i got out of this was that rather then rearing queens in queen cells from grafteed larvae it would be better to let the bees produce their own cells and introduce these cells into ( for example) nuc's rather then mated queens.
What are others getting out of this?

This year I did let my bees produce their own queens ( by making up nuc's with  a mix of brood from eggs to sealed brood) and with few exceptions the bees produced queens which produced lovely patterns of brood. Too early to know in most cases if the nuc's are better then those with introduced , mated queens.

You never stop learning...

would not queen out of swarmcells be the best then?