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beemaster:
Thanks Questor:

Glad you took the time to read all the posts here and there at C2C forum - It is a topic I really enjoy and AS YOU DO, I like to look at it scientifically.

It is interesting to here you mention something that borders TWO worlds of OBE, the conscience OBE movements of Tai-chi and Yoga and the non-conscience realism of OBEs which occur less voluntary - as through the general processes of sleep paralasys, vibration, etc..

My wife is an intermediate yogi (she can do some interesting balances and poses and tranfers from one to another seemingly effortless - where I first found OBE by practicing the SLINKY technique where you raise and lower each hand (palmes flat and facing up) and slowly raising one as you lower the other and imagine the weight of a slinky shift from one hand to the other. This technique took me weeks to get a OBE feeling to occur.

Now, OBE means many things to many people, but I say that ANYTIME you experience your conscience body (even if it is only ENERGY shifting from one hand to another) it is an OBE and PROOF to the person experiencing it that OBEs are real.

After a few more tries, and moving the hand around so that the energy could move about differently too, I realised that with practice that the energy could MOVE AWAY from the hand and return - an actual separating of conscience energy and physical body - a MAJOR STEP in understanding that the two can not only be EXPERIENCED beyond the INNER SELF, and then felt around the hands in a very magnetic feeling field, BUT then gain knowledge that the energy could pass OUT and AWAY from the body and return to it AT WILL and while in an awake state.

These are really the goals of meditation, Tai-chi and Yoga, but also experienced by people every day when driving to work as they mechanically control the car but their mind wonders about thinking and even doing a dozen other things - the missing time syndrome which also fits into the who UFO abduction issues that often get confused with OBE by people who would rather claim an alien pulled them out of bed and floated them up into space, in stead of admitting (to themselves or others) that they may have experienced an OBE.

I often think it is people who either have no faith in a creator, or people who think they will offend a creator if they mention what really happened. Both types of people are closed minded about the possibility that we are separate creatures - basically a CONSCIENCE CREATURE living its life in a PHYSICAL BODY.

That is why we get in trouble so often (as a species) we let the physical body WHICH through hormones and testosterones, etc., often do terrible things that breaks both man's law and God's law - the flesh is weak to temptation, but the conscience being is the eternal creature, it just doesn't have the KEYS TO THE CAR and is STRAPPED into a baby seat (figuratively).

Your repeated experience is interesting - I have a odd sensation, very realistic which only happen whens I tend to drift off to sleep (probably only 2 times a year) I'll see a LION LIKE CREATURE jump over an object like a fence or something right toward me - the whole event lasts but 2 seconds, and the lion creature is never more than 5 feet away, but I always wake up and it has occure so many times, I rarely have trouble eracing the event and going about my atttempt to sleep.

I think your hand movements up and down ARE dictating the movements of your body - in theory (my theory I guess) when you are in a position where OBE can occure (and I do think your experience is likely an OBE of sorts - again, there are many) then slight movements of hands, feet, hips or anything can cause the BALANCED condition you are in to LEAN toward a direct of choice whether up, down, back, forth, right left, etc..

Long distand runners have watched themselves from above as they run a race, separate from body - some have said they LEAN a slight bit forward to allow the ENERGY of CONSCIENCENESS to LEAD the way for the physcial body to follow - using minute' energy as a tow rope to help pull the body along!!!!

What reason you revisit THIS experience is something that I am sure is locked away in your mind somewhere. The sense of smell often triggers repetitive memory, lucid dreams or OBEs. Ofactory really is a major contributor to the memory, where inner ear balance is a gateway to the angular gyrus which controls the unlock mechanism to the mind/spirit connection.

Remember too that the human spirit lives in the lower bowels, the intestinal region of the body - accupunture points can be traced from THERE to the gyrus region, so these connections have been known by nerve-ending practicioners for thousands of years.

Western medicine is so far behind the Easter teaching and treatments, we think that the only way to find how to fix someone is to wait until they are dead and then cut them up - or Chemo them to death, meanwhile, somewhere locked in the vastness and millions of miles of nerves in the body lies the cures for everything - I perfer PREVENTION over cure, but all we ever hear is eat well and exercise - you never hear "get to know your conscience being, ask it to scan and heal your body - ask it to let you know EARLY if there is a problem and ask it to always help in the healing process too"

My doctor (as with most) does one thing, figures out which PILLS to give me, beyond that I'm sent to specialists who take pictures of me and then give me different pills. SOMETHING is wrong with that process.

For you, if it were me... Every night when I'm NOT rushed for sleep, I'd try to go back to that spot, telling myself to look around, spot every trees, road, rock, flowers, animals, everything of importance - weather, wind, smells, sounds. Slowly compile these things and go through the list each time over and over again until one day - it is so real, you ARE there and know why and then control the situation better than you every have before.

It sounds like a tease - a look into baceball field through a hole in a picket fence - always seeing the game, but never in the ball park - you need to get into the ballpark and then I believe many answers and FURTHER adventures may come.

Write back any time!!!!


PS... sorry for any spelling errors, I don't have my reading glasses on and my spell-checker isn't on this computer. Peace.

latebee:
Hello Eveyone-----
        Its been a while since I've posted-just wanted to add my thoughts.OBE is a very intersting and confusing concept.

Questor:
Since I want to know more and since I have read the complete forum, I have ordered, "The Secret of the Soul : Using Out-of-Body Experiences to Understand Our True Nature" by William L. Buhlman and "Adventures Beyond the Body (4-CD Set)", William Buhlman; Audio CD.  I have listened to his spots on C2C and have seen his website.

This along with "The Lucid Dreaming Kit" by Bradley Thompson.  I am finally going to do more than just read about it stuff!

As I have the time to play with this now, I can report on my experiences.

I thank you and all the members of this board for giving me the kick in the tush to finally get moving on this.  I am looking forward toward the experiences Bradley speaks of that can come in short order.  I hear you, oh great BeeMaster, that steady the course must be observed.  I have plenty of patience as all good scientists have.  But I intend to prevail and put the naysayers in their places.  

I am coming from the right place as far as frame of mind...wide open to all new experiences.  From all my reading, (my exclusive library contains over 2000 volumes of goodies) I anticipate success slow and steady.

One last thing, oh great BeeMaster,  though you think you only have so many things to say, many people have written books with less.  Seriously think of writing a book.  You have a way of writing which is compelling.  Put your glasses on, engage that spellchecker and blast away, and in no time you are helping countless people find their way through the world of  the 'unknown' and turning it into the fascinating world of the 'newly discovered'!

Questor:
Beemaster,
I received the, "Secret of the Soul" and found out my dreams I mentioned at 7 years old probably were OBE's.  Cool!  Flying as you mentioned is in some ways commensurate to OBE's.

I have started working with the CD's of "Adventures Beyond the Body".  They work together...as you work with the first CD, and the second is an extension of the first, the third is an extension of the second and so on.  I guess this would be expected.  In other words the 4 CD's are one big program as opposed to the four CD's covering 4 different aspects of the same topic.  

I personally think the "Secret of the Soul" information is essential background to incorporate into the experience of the "Adventures..." CD's.


Then I just received the "Lucid Dreaming Kit" yesterday.  It's also rather interesting but I am yet to justify the expense.  I will be reporting on my experiences with that as well.  As a matter of fact, I will begin this program tonight.  Since I am one of those that hasn't remembered dreams for the most part over the past 30 years, and the author states this works with people like me as well...we will see.


The thing is when I was 16, I suffered a stroke and developed encephalitis when I was admitted to the hospital.  I was written off and was expected to live for three days.  (That was 34 years ago.)  I used to remember my dreams back then quite well.  Since the stroke, I no longer have the ability to remember my dreams.  Plus my short term memory is not the greatest.  Although, I get by quite well.  

I am wondering if that experience will impair my ability to experience OBE's once again!  I will keep those interested posted.

beemaster:
Questor:

Great success in your adventures, I think your outlook and openness will take you a long ways!!!

Thanks for the kind words on my writing, I have always believed that my one true gift is writing. I enjoy many things, but none come as easy as putting words to a keyboard - "It" in itself is a meditative experience I believe, a way for me to warp time, sometimes I see an hour or more go into a letter which I swear I had only started minutes before.

A point you make is interesting - my beliefs are as valid as any I have read. I don't mean that braggingly, I just think I have slowly assembled a series of ideas that makes practical sense to the scientific minded part of me. Not that I leave out spirituality either, I HIGHLY believe that we are the real deal, the children of God and is it so strange for any Bible believing religion to comprehend a conscious being living here on Earth to experience a physical life?

If I'm not mistaken, that is a very good parable of many books of scripture. I just know that you shouldn't have to die to experience the REAL you, I don't think we were made that way and I don't believe it was meant to be this way. It goes back to that "we have 5 senses thing" it has killed our creativity and bound our conscious to our physical bodies needlessly. So who knows, I may just tackle that book some day, I sure have read weaker theories on this subject. Besides... do I think I could write 300-400 pages on this subject??? No doubt in my mind :)

And yeah... the spell check thingy  :oops:  I'm taking care of that these days, unless of course I forget to spend that extra 30 seconds it takes to choose the right words. I know I spell conscious about 12 ways and get science in there too often  :?

PS... how was that spelling  :D

But I wonder about your stroke and what may have happened, both physically (in the ability to process information from a subconscious state) and also the literal conduit I believe is needed for all information pass from being to body. It may sound the same, but I think there are differences.

You obviously (or hope to) have all the necessary "train stations", but may be missing the right connecting tracks which normally get signals from here to there without stopping any trains on the track, continuous travel of energy seems necessary to me. But I DO BELIEVE that even if damage is done to your "rail lines", rerouting is one of the things the brain does best.

The only added problem could be that you FIRST need to know which OLD tracks served the correct route and then consciously reroute the trip in order to accomplish the trip in a way that still works fluidly.

A lot of such thinking is mind over matter, I believe THAT to be true. But some is retraining, but it isn't as if you are trying to get a different part of the brain to operate a limb which no longer gets the electrical signals from where they started.

I stick to my belief we are conscience creatures on a physical voyage - one which we are NEVER taught that can be experienced separately. Sadly, it comes later in life, after decades of NOT using these "muscles" and they are tough to get excited again.

Knowing that you can separate your being from body is the major key - belief ISN'T everything, but it sure makes the voyage easier. I have done most of my reading on the Internet and listened to many radio shows over the years since my first experiences. I still proclaim that the paralysis state is the most horrifying thing you will ever experience IF you have no idea what is happening - surely you think you broke your neck while sleeping, or something as horrible.

I just finished working midnight and I want to mention a few more details, but I'm pooped. I'll be back at the keyboard later tonight and finish up on some important thoughts. But I think you are doing good, gathering the experiences of others, trying to put LOGIC to this is an obstacle for many.

I challenge anyone to watch Cirque Du Soleil and all the magical performances which stretch the human body BEYOND its limits and into the world on a conscience being. These people "need to go to a special place" away from the overwhelming surroundings of people, lights, music, other performers. I read that MUSIC is often the catalyst for these performers, they KEY into the vibrations of the notes, the unique sounds and frequencies of the instruments and they RIDE these tones like waves of water and light.

Again, and I'll end in the most important thing that I believe I have learned - actually two things.

Balance (equilibrium) plays a huge part in igniting the conditions needed for OBE, head placement, relaxation in a position where the inner ear fluids are allowed to flow back and forth like the bubble in a level (I have to remember this wording) and secondly...

You need to either be doing EVERYTHING (like that Cirque Du Soleil performer balancing on one hand upside down while juggling 7 balls) or doing NOTHING as in a meditative or relaxed state. OBE can come in under these two states only (I believe) you have to either empty or fill your BODY in order to allow your conscience to escape the body's hold.

I explained this before in some post as either ZERO or 360 and all or nothing theory of mine which I have NEVER seen disproved in accounts of OBE articles. It is the Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner vs. the levitating Monk theory of mine which I hope you put faith in, it will take you far in your quest. More soon, nice chatting on this amazing topic.

Next time, children's imagination, imaginary friends and MIMES :)

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