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« on: June 11, 2024, 05:39:47 am »
Got these last night.
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Re: 500 babies
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2024, 06:52:28 am »
quail?

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2024, 07:32:25 am »
Bob White
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Re: 500 babies
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2024, 07:36:00 am »
I thought that they were the same thing.

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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2024, 07:58:53 am »
Bob white are quail. All quail are not bob white. Bob white is only one type of quail.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2024, 08:02:50 am »
Specifically these are Northern Bobwhite.

There are over 100 kinds of quail.  The ones commonly raised for meat or eggs are Bobwhite and Coturnix.

Here are a variety of kinds for sale: https://www.strombergschickens.com/live-birds-eggs/day-old-baby-chicks/quail-chicks/

But here are a few of the others:
Common Quail
Northern Bobwhite
King Quail
Japanese Quail
Gambel's Quail
California Quail
Scaled Quail
Mountain Quail
Montezuma Quail
Blue Quail
Ocellated Quail
Harlequin Quail
Coturnix Quail
Himalayan Quail
Crested Bobwhite
Elegant Quail
Gorgeted Wood Quail
Painted Bush Quail
Brown Quail
Rain Quail
Stubble Quail
Jungle Bush Quail
New Zealand Quail
Spot-winged Wood Quail
Manipur Bush Quail
Chestnut Wood Quail
Singing Quail
Snow Mountain Quail
Yucatan Bobwhite
Banded Quail
Canary Islands Quail
Marbled Wood Quail
Spotted Wood Quial
Rock Bush Quail
Benezuelan Wood Quail
Starred Wood Quail
Tacarcuna Wood Quail
Black-breasted Wood Quail
Dark-backed wood quail
Tawny-faced Quail
Strip-faced wood quail
Rufous-fronted wood quail
Spot-bellied Bobwhite
Black-fronted Wood Quail
Black-eared Wood Quail
Rufous-breasted Wood Quail
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Re: 500 babies
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2024, 08:22:59 am »
And now I know. Are you going to release them or keep them safe in a pen? I have known a person or two who got themselves a few of them and they all disappeared pretty quickly.

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2024, 08:44:07 am »
Back seven years ago or so they sprayed for the aphids in late June or so and all the insects died.  After the insects were gone all of the whippoorwills, bobwhites and pheasants also disappeared.  So I'm releasing them.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2024, 09:33:20 am »
That's cool.  Had a friend do that with pheasants once.  It was a project with his grandson.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2024, 03:41:12 pm »
That is great Mr Bush. The last wild Bob White that I heard was abut 15 years or so ago in my area. I was horseback riding and stoped to listen. The very last one I heard was in the Grenada Ms. area about 10 years ago... I really miss them..

What about the insect situation? Are they on the rebound in your area? I hope so... Please, keep up the good work! And keep us updated on this!

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2024, 03:45:25 pm »
Eeeeee!  So cute!  :cheesy:  I heard a wild bobwhite about 10 years ago probably, at our previous property.  We used to hear whippoorwills there occasionally too.  None here.  What are you feeding them in the brooder?
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2024, 05:24:56 am »
>What about the insect situation? Are they on the rebound in your area?

Yes, the insects have rebounded.  Otherwise I wouldn't even try to get the Bobwhite going again.  There may be some insects that haven't, but if you turn a light on in the dark you will get insects come to it now.  Not so back when they wiped them out.

>What are you feeding them in the brooder?

30% protein game bird starter.  I think the brand is Ralston Purina.  I'm using a water tank for the brooder.  I'll have to split them into two of them soon and then I'll have to put some chicken wire on top to keep them from flying out... then I'll move them out to the quail house/yard that is netted and then I'll release them.
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2024, 02:24:21 pm »
Back seven years ago or so they sprayed for the aphids in late June or so and all the insects died.  After the insects were gone all of the whippoorwills, bobwhites and pheasants also disappeared.  So I'm releasing them.

It's good to hear that the insects are making a rebound.
Mr Bush was that years spraying something that was discussed here? It seems I vaguely remember something about this. (maybe I read it in the archives)  or even commented myself. My memory is faded on this one. Perhaps I am thinking of another situation completely.

I am thinking this would be a good topic for discussion 'If' it wasn't discussed back then.

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Re: 500 babies
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2024, 09:01:39 pm »
Michael you get them from strombergs?

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2024, 09:43:17 am »
Michael,
Is the county or state funding this project?
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2024, 05:34:17 am »
>Michael,
>Is the county or state funding this project?

Just me.

>Strombergs

No.  Somewhere local.
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2024, 12:35:48 am »
I've thought about doing something similar, but here in Indiana you need a permit or license to raise and /or release bob white quail.  Since they are a game bird they are regulated.  Although the other breeds are not regulated at all.

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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2024, 05:13:07 am »
Bobwhite are regulated here as well.  I just had to tell them I was releasing them, which I am, and I didn't need it because I'm not keeping them.  If I keep some for breeding more, I will have to get a permit.  I am thinking about that, but I don't think I want to work that hard at another hobby.  I just want the wild quail back especially since I think I've made a good habitat for them.
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2024, 09:47:45 am »
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but I don't think I want to work that hard at another hobby.

Thats funny, but it keeps me from doing a lot of things.

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2024, 10:53:18 am »
Back seven years ago or so they sprayed for the aphids in late June or so and all the insects died.  After the insects were gone all of the whippoorwills, bobwhites and pheasants also disappeared.  So I'm releasing them.

I will include Meadowlark to that list (Field-Lark) in my area.  Gone. . . Even in areas that are not row farmed.  I don?t remember an official report of why they are to be found no more here. Sad . .

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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2024, 11:13:14 am »
Mr Bush I am not intending to discourage you as Quail, Bobwhite in particular, is a breed of bird that I have fond memories of and miss geatly.  I went back in the archives searching for more discussion on this subject. I am posting just two post placed on one of those topics which was started in 2008. I hope you are successful in your Noble Endeavor.

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Topic:
https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=18005.msg133002#msg133002

Louisiana Game and fish web-site:
If I release some pen-reared quail, will they help restore the quail population?
Pen-reared quail usually have very low survival rates, and thus are not an effective way to restore quail populations. As part of a research project conducted on Sandy Hollow WMA in Tangipahoa Parish, 30 pen-reared female bobwhites were radio-tagged and released in good habitat. Over 50% of the birds died within 3 days of release, and 96% were dead within 30 days. In Virginia, the average survival rate of pen-reared and F-1 (one generation removed from the wild) bobwhites was less than 6 days, and all were dead within 41 days. Even wild bobwhites have mortality rates of over 75% per year. It is unrealistic to expect that birds raised in captivity would have a better chance of survival than wild birds. There are some techniques that hunting preserves use to improve survival of released birds. These may increase the survival of released birds through the hunting season, but do not appear to have a significant impact on the breeding population of bobwhites. Improving habitat is the only way to effectively increase bobwhite populations.

all of the suggestions here are good - and they generally don't work. we spent years and countless dollars on this effort, and in the end reintroducing game birds was a bust. we did have occassional coveys that would winter over, and once in a while a pheasant or two would hold out, but in the scheme of things we were never able to get anything like a sustainable, wild population. for reference, this was on approximately 250 acres of intensively managed land (feed plots, native cover, etc.) in a rural setting with surrounding farm ground. not to rain on anyone's parade, but we had the land and spent the money to make it go... and after about 7 years decided it was easier to raise them in the pen and release them before a hunt. (fyi... i was an assistant to a millionaire sportsman who funded this effort. we even had a full-time resident game manager. this was a serious effort!)

now, maybe Ohio is not the place to do this... but if anyone wants to ask about specific efforts, go ahead. seems like we tried just about everything!

good luck... and if it works i am thrilled for you. just offering the benefit of my experiences.


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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2025, 02:30:14 pm »
Yes, unfortunately everything loves quail.  I caught a big black snake with a quail in it's belly when it swallowed one whole, twice.  I don't have the heart to kill the snake because I have too many mice.  The raccoons got into them three or four times now and killed a bunch.  I released them and for days you'd hear the red tails getting excited.  I haven't heard any bobwhites, so they may have all gotten eaten.  But when I first moved here I heard Bobwhites all the time.  Especially in the morning and evening. But then I'm having a hard time keeping the chickens alive because of the predators.  Raccoons, coyotes, foxes, opossums (caught in the act), owls, red tailed hawks, bald eagles etc.  No shortage of things that love chickens and quail.  I ordered some Jungle Fowl chicks for this spring.  Very expensive, but I'm hoping they will survive better.  I also ordered some Americauna chickens because in the past I had better luck keeping them alive than my other chickens.  I'm not sure if I'll try the quail again.  It was a huge undertaking with poor results, but then I learned a lot that I would do different now.  So maybe it would go better next time.
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2025, 02:39:11 pm »
We have a huge bunch of quail here. For a long time, there were feral cats that kept most of the bird population down. Coyotes took care of the cats and the birds are back. We have less livestock so our place is becoming a sanctuary for birds, rabbits, and deer. Unfortunately also for hawks, owls, and coyotes.
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2025, 02:46:55 pm »
At least you gave it a try, I miss hearing that sound of 'Bob White" very much.. The only place I hear it now is on a video.  :sad:

https://youtu.be/S4219Wc9DSE?si=DLNVbjTTzl1QaW96

Game chickens are pretty good survivors. I have seen the hens fly like quail when coming off a nest !!  ..... We had Tojo, a half German Shepard/half Pit that was a good yard dog and took good care of the Chickens, and was a terrorizer on land varmints. Tojo, named so, because of his slightly up slanted eyes, and his fearless warrior abilities when a varmint made the mistake of coming into proximity.

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2025, 02:49:42 pm »
I got my current dogs when the old dog died thinking they would guard the chickens, or at least discourage the predators.  But my wife has made them indoor dogs and so far they are more of a threat to the chickens than protectors of them.
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2025, 02:57:30 pm »
My dad always had from 5 to 15 fox hounds that ran free. If one killed a chicken it was the last thing he did. We never had predators. Not even two legged ones.
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2025, 03:13:22 pm »
>My dad always had from 5 to 15 fox hounds that ran free. If one killed a chicken it was the last thing he did. We never had predators. Not even two legged ones.

That was my plan, except I was going to have 2.  But they only go outside to relieve themselves...
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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2025, 04:21:48 pm »
We taught our dog Velcro to chase the chickens every time they walk on the sidewalk to help keep them from pooping on it. Now every time we walk out the door he chases them just for a few seconds then he lets them go about their business eating. Quite often he catches up to them but he doesn?t hurt them. All we have to do is point at one on the sidewalk and he runs them off.
He is an inside dog but he hears every animal that comes in the yard and will let us know and we let him out to run them off.
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2025, 05:29:31 pm »
Mr Bush you might find the following video interesting. This lady, located in Starkville, Ms. has graciously posted an interesting video showing and explaining how she raises Bob White Quail... (I would love to have some for the freezer) a real breakfast treat!

https://youtu.be/nISFiPkrbi0?si=VVuf3EHXLmf3YlLW

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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2025, 05:37:57 pm »
Now; if she only has a Cricket Farm!  :shocked: :cool:

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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2025, 10:14:25 pm »
We have a huge bunch of quail here. For a long time, there were feral cats that kept most of the bird population down. Coyotes took care of the cats and the birds are back. We have less livestock so our place is becoming a sanctuary for birds, rabbits, and deer. Unfortunately also for hawks, owls, and coyotes.

That's great Kathy! Is there a lot of crop farming nearby? 

 

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