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Nascar around the corner and Matt Kennseth driving the 20 car

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beemaster:
Lots of good news in the Nascar world: returning to late 1990/2000 style cars, old school body style so you can tell them apart again.  There are three main cars, super speedway, Speedway and short track. I assume speedway cars for road courses, but I'll bet they mix them and short track cars for road courses. It will be nice to see a Ford and know it's a Ford again, shame with all the manufacturers.

Kennseth has taken over Joey Lagano as the 20 car driver for Joe Gibb Racing, very cool - I'm a diehard Kennseth fan and glad to see him out of the Rouch camp. After not resigning Matt this past season, then Kennseth doing as well in the chase as he did - Jack get's a last kick in the pants as Kennseth moves to where he'll be appreciated more.

So.... let's see how these changes to the car designs puts people back in the stands again, that is Nascar's big hope of course. People don't buy merchandise at the track if they are home watching the race - and merchandise, not seat sales is Nascar's money maker. Hopefully, seeing how designs of cars interact with others will make it a good sport again, in recent years they have all but killed the sport with some of their FLOPPED improvements - none worse than tandem racing on super speedways. It was hard to watch and looked more like an Olympic event. Good luck to all us fans.

BlueBee:
OK, here's a serious question.  Is NASCAR really a "sport"?

edward:
YES

Moots:
beemaster-
Should all be interesting...I'm a Jeff Gordon fan so the opportunities to celebrate have been few and far between in recent years.  :'(

I'm a Rick Hendrick fan from a team prospective so the Johnson run was quite impressive, but while Jimmy is my second favorite driver, he's a distant second to Gordon, so the success was a mixed bag for me.

I'm curious how much of the attendance drop off is due to poor NASCAR decisions, god knows they can make them, and how much is simple a result of the anemic economy.

I've long said that the restrictor plate races are pathetic, Talladega makes me sick, it's a joke for any real race fan.  NASCAR needs to stop trying to throw band aids on the problem, none of which have worked,  and FIX IT instead. They need to put a dozer to the place and take down the bankings.

beemaster:
Moots

All well put, I have a collection of photos I took 6 years ago at Dover, in the 206 thousand seats, you were lucky to see an empty one. In the last 4 years, I haven't seen 40% of the seats full. The classic is always Bristol, it was almost law that you could only get seats there if the were willed to you and Bristol has had the same low attendance as all the tracks. Surely it is the economy as much as bad moves by Nascar and bad timing. Restrictor plates really harmed the sport, although more from the driver's prospective than the fans: I know we hate it, but to them it is a safety feature taken away. Drivers claim (for those who don't know) that restricting the engines power increases the chance of accidents because drivers can't get out of the way of the big accidents. So if that is true, and I don't doubt the drivers, restrictor plates are more dangerous of a tool than non restrictor plates, leaving fans wondering what on Earth is Nascar thinking.

I'm believe you will see restrictor plate rules change too, If you told nascar they'd boost revenue by 15% by not using them, then we'd see these cars driving 225mph at Talledga and Daytona again. Even the cookie cutter tracks like Charlotte, Texas, Atlanta and others with the tri-oval shapes will see speeds greatly increase, because all the tri-oval tracks are already running as fast as the super-speedways. I think that is what bugs me most, when tri-oval speeds are the same as super speedway, all it does is take the thrill out of super speedway racing.

Plus I believe (and I do believe this) that with nearly zero possibilities, it's impossible to get killed in a Nascar today! They have taken safety to such an incredible level in the design of safer cars, safer tracks, safer restraints, that the most mangled car will have a driver walk free from the crash - likely the worse a broken ankle or wrist. I think that says a lot about the sport, and yes it is a sport. NOT SURE how the new (old school cars looks) have changed from the car of tomorrow safety features. I think the look is all cosmetic and we have cars this year as safe as last year. I don't see Nascar removing any features structurally that proves to be safe.

NOW TO BLUEBEE

You couldn't even leave Nascar alone? Isn't it left-winged enough to be recognised as a sport by you? What is a good left-wings sport, I'll check it out?

I've read your leftist bull-crap and never said a thing. I think as hard as you try to make a logical point of your socialist beliefs, all you do is make others either laugh at you or want to barf, and any followers you may have are likely too affected by global warming to think straight on most issues.

Whether members see you as a buffoon or the voice of the Left is something we can save for the Coffee House - BUT no need to mess with Nascar.  Few places in the sporting world do people put their lives on the line every time they play, I'll give it to football where real injuries happen every game somewhere, and I'm sure many other sports (I'm not knowledged enough about) have their fair share of injuries, but they are not doing 200 miles an hour when it happens either.

But I post rarely enough to not have you even stomp on something A-Political like Nascar, or is that RIGHT-WINGED thus it is fair game too? Funny, I thought you might like it, the cars are always turning left. I'm not being cruel, I'm just stating facts that you are that butt itch that no one can reach, that sand in your shorts at the beach, that fly that lands on the TV screen and then flies off every time you get up to swat it, then returns as soon as you sit down, and you live to rile others up. I'll let others battle your ideas around, not my job.

But I do enjoy watching others bat you around like a kitten pouncing a ball of yarn, why you enjoy always playing the yarn dumbfounds me. But it appears you truly believe the foolishness that spews from your keyboard, a true spin-doctor of facts - and no one here needs to watch MSNBC because we have you. So "if less TV" is good, then there must be something salvageable in your writings after all.

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