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Bee laws per state.
« on: June 12, 2018, 06:38:24 pm »
On a previous topic, selling hives, the subject of bee laws came up.  I thought that was interesting enough that a new thread should be devoted, Aroc, Ace, M Bush and others deserve the credit for subject matter.

OK I start with Arkansas there are nine 9 pages of regulations on the following link:

http://www.agriculture.arkansas.gov/Websites/aad/files/Content/5944144/The_Arkansas_Apiary_Law_and_Regulations.pdf

Made short, a beekeeper must register their apiary, no cost, also to sell bees, a person must have a current health inspection, by State Apiary inspector, no charge.

By registering, a beekeeper owns the airspace within 2 miles of a registered apiary.  Permission must be obtained by the BEE SPACE OWNER prior to placing hives within 2 miles.

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Re: Bee laws per state.
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2018, 07:26:32 pm »
Currently - right now, as late as last weekend - we are experiencing an AFB outbreak in an
area that is really right "next door" to myself in terms of beekeeping practice in this
Country.
https://www.daf.qld.gov.au/contact/enewsletters/recent-alerts

Part of the problem in knowing what is actually happening is the existence of regulation
which requires only those with more than a single "beehive" in their care to be registered
with BioSecurity (loose use).
Given both the expense of setup (and known mean knowledge level) the rash of takeup
for backyard FlowHive colonies being one per yard is a very worrying factor in controlling
this outbreak.
Last weekend is the third (report) in as many weeks, with no press release as public
address, and limited issue of news amongst beeclubs some of whom meet only 4 times
in one year.
I do not have the answer, yet I observe we as beekeepers learn - or at least retain - little
from history in setting regulation/legislation making the birth more of a kneejerk reaction
than a measured determined Plan.

Bill

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Re: Bee laws per state.
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2018, 08:26:18 pm »
Jim delete mine I didn't know Van started one.  But mine is specific to back yard beekeepers.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2018, 08:36:42 pm »
Bill, AFB, is such bad news, like the worst possible news.  At least your state requires sterilization of such diseased hive.  American Foulbrood, AFB is the number one concern in Arkansas pertaining to honey bees.    So far, this state, Arkansas, is negative for AFB.

There are states in the USA such as New Jersey, in 2017 considered treatment of AFB.  Treatment of AFB is insane and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the spore forming bacterium and the ability to contaminate and wipe out apiaries.

At least, in Arkansas, immediate seal and burn upon positive identification is the rule.

I hope, Bill, ol Buddy, your hives remain healthy.
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Re: Bee laws per state.
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2018, 09:48:04 pm »
Jim delete mine I didn't know Van started one.  But mine is specific to back yard beekeepers.
Ace,
I deleted it.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2018, 10:07:23 pm »
Here are Florida?s Apiary laws. It is very involved. I was lucky enough to be involved as a member of Jax bee club in what they included. This is a lot better than the original draft. It was originally drafted as if all Beekeeper?s were commercial Beekeeper?s.
https://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divisions-Offices/Plant-Industry/Business-Services/Registrations-and-Certifications/Beekeeper-Registration
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2018, 10:11:35 pm »
Bill, AFB, is such bad news, like the worst possible news.  At least your state requires sterilization of such diseased hive.  American Foulbrood, AFB is the number one concern in Arkansas pertaining to honey bees.    So far, this state, Arkansas, is negative for AFB.

There are states in the USA such as New Jersey, in 2017 considered treatment of AFB.  Treatment of AFB is insane and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the spore forming bacterium and the ability to contaminate and wipe out apiaries.

At least, in Arkansas, immediate seal and burn upon positive identification is the rule.

I hope, Bill, ol Buddy, your hives remain healthy.
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Yeah Van... I yam 5hittn meself.. a Life's work and I cannot afford to relocate
again in these economic times here.
Here it is "burn everything and bury the ashes deep with a backhoe and never
keep bees in that place again" , which I would do if required.
Trouble is we have this new age of dogooders who are touting irradiation and
selective disinfecting! I ran across one turkey recently sprouting the 'cure' of
boiling hardware in parafin.. these options are s0ftc0ck denials of the reality
of risk...terminal suicide of an industry.
We have not had AfB up our way since the '70s and here it is just a few hours
drive away, and a very very passive reaction to the reports.
Too much of the "it's all about Me" in this new wave of beekeeps.
In my very frank very honest 0pinion.

And thanks Van... it is heart-warming to read the concern/empathy in your Voice.

Bill

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Re: Bee laws per state.
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2018, 11:05:35 pm »
Being from NC does have it's advantages. As far as I know, we have the only ethylene oxide chamber is the USA.
This copy/paste is from our state beekeeper publication. Page 14

https://www.ncbeekeepers.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Bee-Buzz-Winter-2016.pdf



 If you have a colony with AFB, your apiary inspector
will help you eliminate the problem. The standard
practice is to depopulate the hive (they are going to die
anyway ? it?s better to do so before the disease
spreads). In other states, the equipment that the bees
lived in must be burned to kill the spores. However in
North Carolina, we are unique in that the NC
Department of Agriculture owns an ethylene oxide
fumigation chamber. Our chamber is NASA surplus
equipment: since ethylene oxide will kill any form of
life in the known universe, its original purpose was to
sterilize moon rocks. AFB spores are a piece of cake
compared to microscopic moon creatures!
  Your apiary inspector will help you get your
equipment fumigated so that it doesn?t need to be
burned. He/she will even pick it up from you and
deliver it back when it has been treated. The
turn-around time varies by season of the year and
demand. Fall is a good time to send equipment for
processing because most people don?t need it back
immediately. There is a small fee for the fumigation
service but if you don?t think a piece of equipment is
worth the cost of fumigation then it must go into the
fire.
  Woodenware and empty comb, in fact anything except
honey and bees, can be processed in the fumigation
chamber. The chamber is large enough to hold 40 deep
boxes or 70 shallows.
Consequences of change in tylosin/ tetracycline status?
FDA has pushed for manufacturers to implement the
new regulations in their labeling by December of this
year (2016). So tylosin and tetracycline will soon
completely and permanently disappear from your
favorite supply house. Once they go away as an option,
what can we expect? One scenario is that beekeepers
who have been prophylactically treating to suppress
AFB for years will suddenly have outbreaks in their
apiaries when treatment is no longer possible. Robber
bees will spread disease from their collapsing colonies
to the entire area. Those of us who have always had
clean hives may start to have AFB issues, inheriting the problems of our neighbors. So we all must be
especially vigilant over the next few years. Learn to
recognize the symptoms of AFB (NCSU?s ?Diseases of
the Honey Bee? is a good place to start). Make friends
with your bee inspector. Above all,
don?t be complacent.
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2018, 11:11:15 pm »
Jim: your law from your link:
{All hives found infested with American Foulbrood disease shall be destroyed by burning.}

Impressive, your stare as most understand AFB and have placed rules to protect the industry.  If you, Master Jim, were part of writing, approval or what ever your input, that single sentence is alpha.
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2018, 11:16:17 pm »
ID, impressive, yes Sir, I had no idea your state was so modernize and serious.  Thanks for the info, good to know states NC anyway, are very well prepared.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2018, 11:23:02 pm »
Being from NC does have it's advantages. As far as I know, we have the only ethylene oxide chamber is the USA.
This copy/paste is from our state beekeeper publication. Page 14

https://www.ncbeekeepers.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Bee-Buzz-Winter-2016.pdf


And Wally this is exactly the nonScience goulash which has me fuming
(no pun) when I come across it... "wishin' and hopin'" on some statement
only attributed to exposure "no living thing withstands"(paraphrased).
Okay.. accept that.
Now tell us - and your State board - the Plan to expose every spore in all
hardware to the gas?
It takes just one spore Wally and all is in vain.

Bill

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Re: Bee laws per state.
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2018, 11:44:59 pm »
Here is some awesome information for Missouri..

https://extension2.missouri.edu/g7601

It has legal info and information to help beekeepers.

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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2018, 12:06:38 am »
Bill, why the ruffered feathers, you are very worried about your bees cause you care about the lil buggers, that is why.   Ethylene oxide is not scientific goulash.  What ever is exposed to the gas is toasted, nothing living can survive the DNA is scrambled.

Yes Bill, a spore can escape, I have to agree, but know that burning a hive that spores can escape also.

My Buddy, you are really worried about AFB, I don?t blame you, cause you really care about your bees as stated. 

If they are burning the AFB hives hours away, then I think your chances are slim that your bees become infected.  Hang in there Buddy and keep us posted.
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2018, 12:38:56 am »
Not so much "ruffled feathers" Van, more like disappointed.

Dissapointed these arguments for passive approaches to
disease too often win the approval of governing boards
feeding into authortiy(legislation). And we all then live with
the failures which often get spun into the instance being our
'fault' as we didn't follow a process.
When you have sat across the table from those arguing a line
of passivity knowing full well the motivation is built on another
agenda, yeh... one gets a tad "antsy", sure. No apology for that
outcome.
There is no money in fire, loads to be made from irradiation and
fumigation.

The outbreak in Canberra in 2017 many are still trying to work
through as nobody really knows the measures used will prove
a success long term. One cottage industry guy was so unimpressed
he packed his gear, sold up and left.

AFB is a bacterium any beekeeper worth their salt has to be most
virulent in condemning as existence. Half measures are not a
responsible response, nor is agreeance with installing a method
guaranteed not to work socially acceptable.

Burning insitu is very effective, has kept the industry in this Country
safe for decades. Handling to pack structures for irradiation is fraught
with the risk of misses. Likewise dismantling all hardware to individual
components, to have half a chance of exposure to gas, is more of a risk
than packaging whole structures for irradiation.
Then there is the problem of the bee product, how does that get handled?

Regulation (Law) has to reflect methods we can be confident will be a fix.

Bill

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2018, 06:56:17 am »
Here is some awesome information for Missouri..

https://extension2.missouri.edu/g7601

It has legal info and information to help beekeepers.

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Rock,
Nice step by step instructions and what to expect. I did not read it all but it looked like it was mostly instructions rather than laws.
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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2018, 07:16:19 am »
Bill, do a bit more research. It is said that some spores can be found in any hive in the USA. Only when they get a foothold and multiply do they cause an out break. NO, one spore won't cause an epidemic. Even if it did, ethylene oxide is as effective, and maybe more so, than fire. With fire, some may not get burned. ""Human error""0
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2018, 08:33:21 am »
As far as I know, we have the only ethylene oxide chamber is the USA.
Wally there is more then one.  There are literally tons of medical products that have to be treated every day.
I am a little nervous about ETO for bee hives.  How many years do you have to wait for the gas to out gas from wood?  As you say the gas is very deadly to everything.  Then there is the costs.  I would burn before I would sterilize.  I would vote against ETO for the control of AFB and not because it wouldn't be effective.  Because I know it would.
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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2018, 08:35:30 am »
Jim, I can't get your link to work.
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2018, 08:54:12 am »
As I said, "as far as I know". Maybe it is the only one it's size, as medical equip. wouldn't need that much space. Anyway, it has been used for a number of years with no known after effects in the hives. At 1 to 3 dollars per box, including frames, I think it is very cost effective.
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2018, 09:04:22 am »
This is a great topic.  Thanks Van

http://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0800/chapter_0060/part_0010/section_0020/0800-0060-0010-0020.html

Montana is a bit different.  There are a couple of classes of apiary sites they list.

General, Pollination, Landowner, and Hobbiest.  All of these need to be registered with the exception of the hobbiest.  That one is voluntary.

A hobbiest can only have 5 hives per individual and 10 per household.  There is no minimum distance between apiaries.

The landowners catagory allows more than 10 hives but must be registered and pay fees.  There is no minimum distance between apiaries.

The pollinators catagory is a commercial site that must be temporary depending on crop.  There is a distance required of 3 miles from other commercial sites.

The general catagory is the standard commercial site.  A minimum distance of three miles from other commercial sites and of course must be registered.
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