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Kathyp:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html

Kind of interesting.  Just more info and ideas to put into the mix. 

one more

https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-80-vaccinated-suffers-another-covid-19-surge-11628769603

Acebird:
Israel is a heavily populated spit of land surrounded by impoverished countries all in turmoil.  They don't have the luxury of the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean for segregation.  The only way a vaccine can work is if everyone takes it and there is a barrier for reinfection from different variants.  As I said this from the beginning we did this entirely backwards.  Children should have been vaccinated first then move up in age.  The anti vaxxers prevented that from happening.  The problem we have today is a left over from the ignorant Trump administration.  Over time the ignorance will be weeded out naturally.  Good time to invest in pharmaceuticals.

Kathyp:

--- Quote ---Israel is a heavily populated spit of land surrounded by impoverished countries all in turmoil.  They don't have the luxury of the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean for segregation.  The only way a vaccine can work is if everyone takes it and there is a barrier for reinfection from different variants.  As I said this from the beginning we did this entirely backwards.  Children should have been vaccinated first then move up in age.  The anti vaxxers prevented that from happening.  The problem we have today is a left over from the ignorant Trump administration.  Over time the ignorance will be weeded out naturally.  Good time to invest in pharmaceuticals.
--- End quote ---

Not sure of your point on Israel.  Not sure you read the article.  At any rate, WE don't have the luxury of closing our borders and so we have 100s of thousands of people from all over the world, many COVID positive with whatever variants are in their country, marching in and being shipped all over the country. 


--- Quote ---Children should have been vaccinated first then move up in age.
--- End quote ---

Why would you do it that way?  The virus is mild in kids unless they have underlying conditions.  Kids are not spreaders of the virus.  Now, that may change with different mutations, but how does it make sense to vaccinate those who are least at risk and least apt to spread the virus ahead of those most at risk and most apt to spread it? 

No, anti-vaxxers had nothing to do with the order of vaccination.  It was determined by risk and by the fact that it is not an FDA approved vaccine. 


--- Quote ---The problem we have today is a left over from the ignorant Trump administration.  Over time the ignorance will be weeded out naturally.
--- End quote ---

There might be some truth in this.  The left was declaring their distrust of the vaccine before Trump was out of office.  Some of the most listened to voices, from Cuomo to Biden were casting doubt because the vaccine had come in under Trump.
Since the biggest groups refusing the vaccine are Hispanic and Black, and we can assume from past voting records most of those people did not vote for Trump, it is reasonable to think that they listened to their Dem leaders and now distrust the vaccine. 

Ignorance will be weeded out.  True statement.   :cheesy:

Ben Framed:
True or False?


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Dr Dan Stock
Cordsville Indiana
To address your comment gee it?s hard to believe we?re 18 months into this and still having a problem. And I would suggest the reason is why the problem is we?re doings things that are not useful. And we?re getting our sources  of information from the Indiana state board of health and cdc who actually don?t bother to read science before they do this. I?m actually a functioning _____ i.e. Medicine Physician. That means I am specially trained in  immunology and inflammation regulation and everything being recommended by the CDC and state board of health is actually contrary to all the rules of science.

i.e. word not understood

So things you should know about corona virus and all other respiratory viruses. They are spread by aerosol particles which are small enough to go through every mask. By the way the literature which supports all of that is in the flash drive that we presented to you and has been given to the secretary.  As a matter of fact it quotes at least three studies sponsored by the NIH to that exact fact even thought the CDC and NIH have chosen to ignore their science that they paid to have done.

That is why you keep struggling with this is because you can not make these viruses go away. The natural history of all respiratory viruses is that they circulate all year long waiting for the immune system to get sick through the winter or become deranged as has happened recently with these vaccines and they cause symptomatic disease. Because they can not be filtered out, and they have animal reservoirs, (and this is a very important point), no one can make this virus go away. The CDC has managed to convince everybody that we can handle this like we did smallpox. Where we can make the virus go away. Smallpox has no animal reservoirs the only thing it learned to infect, is humans that?s why were able to make that virus go away.  That will not happen with this anymore than it will with influenza, the common cold, respiratory seneschal virus, adoral virus, respiratory syndrome, or anything else that has animal reservoirs.

So the reason you can?t do this is because your trying to do something which has already been tried and can?t be done.

Equally important, is that vaccination changes none of this especially with this vaccine. I would hope this board would start asking itself before it considers taking the advise of the CDC the NIH and the state board of health, why were you doing things about this that we didn?t do for the common cold, influenza, or respiratory  seneschal virus? And then ask yourself; why is a vaccine that is so supposedly effective, having a break out in the middle of the summer when respiratory viral syndrome don?t do that!? And to help you understand that, you need to know the condition which is called antibody Mediated Viral Enhancement.  That is the  condition done when vaccines work wrong as they did in every corona virus study done in animals on corona viruses after the scars outbreak and done in respiratory  seneschal virus, where a vaccine  used in a vulnerable individual, done the wrong way, which is why it can not be done right for respiratory virus which have a very low pathengentisity rate that causes the immune system to actually fight the virus wrong and let the virus become worse than it would with native infection. And that is why you are seeing an outbreak right now. In fact that flash drive your going to have coming to you in an email. Studies showing seventy five percent of people who had Covid 19 positive symptom cases in Barnstable Massachusetts outbreak were fully vaccinated.
Therefore there is no reason for treating any person vaccinated any differently than any person unvaccinated. You should also note that NO vaccine, even the ones I would support and give to myself and my Children ever stops infection.

In 2014 there was an outbreak of mumps in the national hockey league.  The only people that came down with symptoms were the people who were unvaccinated or unknown vaccine status.  Boy that sounds like a great argument for vaccines but a question you should ask yourself knowing that half the people who came down with symptomatic disease had no contact with an unvaccinated or unknown vaccine status individual. Where did they get the disease? And the answer was from the vaccinated individuals. No vaccine prevents you from getting infection, you get infected.  You get infected, you shed pathogen this is especially true through a viral respiratory pathogen. You just don?t get symptomatic from it. So you cannot stop spread you can not make these numbers that you planned on get better by doing anything of the things you are doing, because that is the nature of viral respiratory pathogen. You can?t prevent it with a vaccine.  Because they don?t do the very things your wanting them to do and you will still be chasing this the remainder of your life until you recognize the center for disease control and the Indiana state board of health are giving you very bad scientific guidance. And Instead read the articles that are to come in your emails and on this flash drive and listen to the people in this audience here tonight who have actually recognized the advice they are getting from the CDC and the NIH is counter factual, and that?s why you are still fighting this with this vaccine that was supposedly make all this go away. But it?s suddenly managed to make an outbreak of covid 19 develop in the middle of the summer when vitamin D levels are at their highest.
By the way the other thing that would be necessary or any vaccine restriction to be considered if there were no other treatments available. And I can tell you having treated COVID 19 patients, that between active loading with vitamin D, ivermectin, and Zinc, that there is not a single person who has come anywhere near the hospital and we already have studies that show it you treat 25 hydroxy D level greater than 55 your risk of covid death will drop down to 1/4 of the population average in the United States.  There are active treatment trials included in that flash drive that show the same is true. 

So if you were going to discriminate based upon vaccine you should also discriminate based upon 25 hydroxy-vitamin  D level, zinc taste response, and probably previous infections since their are also studies on that flash drive that show that people who have recovered from covid 19 infection actually get no benefit from vaccination at all, no reduction in symptoms, no reduction in hospitalization and suffer two to four times the rate of side effects if they subsequently vaccinated. Therefore the policy that you are basing on are totally counterfactual. 

I don?t blame this board for that because I know you are not scientist and you thought it was reasonable to listen to the CDC, NIH, and the Indiana state board of health but I would encourage you instead you listen to the people out here in this audience and what you read on that data drive. And if anybody here on this board have any questions on that I will happily come back and sit with you individually if you would like to explain the science behind it. if you are worried about being sued by somebody because you don?t All the guidance of the CDC and the NIH I will tell you, you have a free Pro Bono expert testimony at your disposal.  I will testify in defense of this course turning down all these recommendations for free at anytime  and any court.  Thank You

Michael Bush:
There are many more likely things to kill you than COVID.  It is not a plague.  It's just another of the many variations of the flu.  We have survived worse things by far.  The Spanish flu for one...  Before all of this, I would never (and still would never) take anything that the pharmaceutical companies come out with that hasn't been on the market for ten years at least.  It often takes that long for them to admit that their new drug causes permanent damage to the patient.  Thalidamide is a good example.  So is Fen Fen.  No one at this point knows how safe the Vaccine is or what the long term effects will be.

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