Honey extraction: Tangential vs radia - which one is " better"?

[max2]

While my radial extractor was out of action I had to get my very old tangential extractor dusted off.

The pros and cons of the tangetial extractor inoticed:
I seem to get more honey out of the frames ( good reason - higher speed on the outside of the drum), the top bars are not sticky
BUT - frames have to be turned, fewer frames fit the drum, slower to load with 1/2 frames

Radial extractor:
Can fit more frames, possibly easier to get balanced(?), faster extraction
Those messy top bars

What is your experience?

I have never used one of those " reversable" extractors.

[Lesgold]

Hi Max, I generally agree with what you are saying. I run a 12 frame radial and it does a pretty good job for me. I reverse the direction of rotation part way through the spin to help get a bit more honey out of the frames. The big advantage of a 12 frame extractor is that I can run 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10 or 12 frames at a time and still have it in balance. I used to run a 4 frame Penders tangential and it was pretty good. I got rid of it a long time ago as it wasn?t stainless. The tangential does throw a bit more honey out  at a faster rate but there is a bit more handling involved unless you get one of the better, programable units. I?m more than happy to give a gram or two per frame back to the bees so there?s no real loss as far as I?m concerned. New frames in the extractor need to be treated carefully as you would know and both styles can distort wax or blow out. I still have a Penders 2 frame tangential that has both a hand driven and motorised head. It?s a great little machine that I keep as a backup. I really don?t think it matters what you use as you establish a routine to work with what you have.

[Ben Framed]

I have had trouble with blow out in the past with foundationless combs, so what I did is start out VERY slow with the extractor on the newer stuff which takes more patience but pays off most of the time. I moved on to skewers in my foundationless frames as described by Paus and that helped tremendously. The best thing that I did as far as new comb is concerned is using plastic foundation... I hope you, our friends from Down Under, fill many jars of honey this season!!

Phillip

[Michael Bush]

Dee Lusby has to use a tangential because her honey is dry so dry.  Typically the radial holds more frames and you don't have to reverse the frames.

[max2]

Dee Lusby has to use a tangential because her honey is dry so dry.  Typically the radial holds more frames and you don't have to reverse the frames.

Michael, can you explain why tangental is better for ' dry" honey?
What would you cal " dry honey"? 16%?

[Acebird]

I have had trouble with blow out in the past with foundationless combs, ...

Tangential will tear apart more frames because the comb is the weakest in the perpendicular direction.  There is less of a difference with medium frames for the amount extracted then deep frames for obvious reasons.  A slight increase in speed after most the honey is out of the frames will make even less of the difference.  And of course time makes a difference.  You can lengthen the spin cycle of a radial because the load cycle of a tangential is so much longer.  I don't see much of an advantage for tangential unless your honey is paste.

[BeeMaster2]

I use a 9/18 radial extractor. For the most part I extract medium frames so I?m extracting 18 frames. For the past 12 years we averaged around 25 supers per pull. I used a tangential my first year at a friends house and several years ago at my father in law?s house. I would not want to have to use a tangential for 25 supers of honey.
Jim Altmiller

[Ben Framed]

Good subject. Good points made for each type of extractor under varying circumstances.
Les, being another here, who has used both types, has a pretty good analysis of both in Reply 1.

Regardless of which type a beekeeper 'may have' or 'prefer', one thing is for sure; An extractor sure beats the crush and strain method. lol
 

Phillip