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THE 2ND AMENDMENT / Re: ATF EXPERT
« Last post by Kathyp on April 16, 2024, 10:50:23 am »
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ummm the bounce around thing about .22s ...sorry, another mostly-myth

I have seen what happens when they bounce around inside a skull or nick off a rib or arm bone and become the "magic bullet" changing direction and going through lung, heart, etc. 

Using the word "bounce" was more as a picture making descriptor.  Did see the results of one that entered the skull on one side, circled the outside of the brain and ended up on the other side.  Mostly intact.  Yes they can and do fragment.  Depending on velocity/distance, they don't always.

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huge amount of BS myth concerning the .223 rem (or 5.56x45) going squirrelly upon entering a body.

This is different because of the weapon, but yes, tons of stupid stuff said.

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ut the reason is that the wound is often viewed as being not as serious as it really is, and taking the doctor by surprise a day or two later. ... itty bitty hole with a surprisingly large area of hydraulic disturbance in the surrounding tissue.

Velocity, spin, wobble.  All depends on load and distance.  Any trauma doc should be looking for worst case, not assuming a little hole means a little wound.

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The requirements for deadliness are penetration and wound channel.

Yes. 

Anyway, whatever you are comfortable shooting is the weapon that will work for you.  Personally, I like to have a knife handy because sometimes it's even better than a firearm if you end up close and personal with your attacker.    :grin:
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A few years ago van from Arkansas asked a question, can worker bees move eggs. I can?t find the topic, but the answer seemed pretty well agreed upon, no. So if the bees cant do it. . .
If only a few eggs are intended to be moved, then I would think Nigel?s way would be the answer.
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I don't know of any way to glue an egg to the bottom of a cell.  Picking out eggs and putting them in cells will just result in the bees removing those loose eggs.
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Good idea Nigel. How do you place this small piece into your hive in need??

Phillip
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THE 2ND AMENDMENT / Re: ATF EXPERT
« Last post by Ben Framed on April 16, 2024, 09:55:16 am »
Y'all might find this to be sort of interesting;  Nostalgically speaking.. 9 mm German Luger, (the first 9 mm). compared to the Colt 45. 
though not a true test, firing each

https://youtube.com/shorts/BAUWtMhvXvo?si=3i6MkYo9sWTCAOAd
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You could possibly cut out a small section of comb with eggs for him, which won't have a major impact on your new hive. I do this quite frequently when requeening and it seems to work well.
I was wondering about something like that. Thanks, I'll look into that. Could a few eggs possible be picked out with a dental pic and placed into his comb?
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THE 2ND AMENDMENT / Re: ATF EXPERT
« Last post by Terri Yaki on April 16, 2024, 08:35:57 am »
I was going to just sit here and keep this to myself but you guys wouldn't let it lay...This is the PG version but there is a full live, unedited version out there that my buddies found. There is some discussion about overkill (no pun intended) on the part of the security guard but I have no problem with eliminating problems and saving taxpayers money. In Philthadelphia, 9mm is the cartridge of choice and other than the bad aim, it seems to work well enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHxKAfQgrqs
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THE 2ND AMENDMENT / Re: ATF EXPERT
« Last post by Salvo on April 16, 2024, 07:42:29 am »
Hi Folks,

Looks like the bullets bounced off the window here:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/good-samaritan-killed-while-trying-to-help-carjacking-victim-in-lumberton/ar-BB1lFVlI :rolleyes:

I posted a link to a good story about mouse guns here a couple of years ago. It had just one "locker room" word. I'm just smiling here... Ben politely pulled it, and apologized for doing so. :cheesy:

Yeah. A lot of it depends on the attitude of the one getting shot. If they think they should fall down,... they will. IMO.

.25s?  How many of these can you take in an eye socket? (...your AUNT? Date gone bad?)

Anyone remember Phat Phil Engledrum? He and Lynn Thompson (Cold Steel) "tested" a knife and the then new Beretta model 20. A number of one-head-shot drops,... on pigs. Pretty brutal,... but both effective.

Sal
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THE 2ND AMENDMENT / Re: ATF EXPERT
« Last post by Michael Bush on April 16, 2024, 06:29:23 am »
Deadliness of a cartridge isn't simple and straightforward.  It's not just about ft lbs.  It's not just about bullet performance.  It's not just the diameter of the bullet.  All these things have different effects.  A 45/70 doesn't have any more ft. lbs of energy than an .25-06 (there are actually a wide variety of factory loads for a 45/70 that are all over the map).  A .22 lr is amazingly deadly for its size.  The requirements for deadliness are penetration and wound channel.  The .22 penetrates well.  But if you want reliable stopping power (making sure the threat stays down) ft. lbs are helpful, penetration  is helpful, but not as important as it is when hunting.  Etc.  Part of the problem with ft. lbs of energy can be illustrated with hammers.  You can swing a 16 oz framing hammer hard enough to get the same ft. pounds as a sawed off 6 pound sledge gets with a little tap.  But the results are drastically different.
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You could possibly cut out a small section of comb with eggs for him, which won't have a major impact on your new hive. I do this quite frequently when requeening and it seems to work well.
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