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German Black Bees for sale in the US
beepro:
So how are their temperament? Interesting that they are not mutt with the Italians already within the
same area. Maybe one day you can pin point their location to propagate some if they are not the mean bees.
Troutdog:
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--- Quote from: beepro on January 31, 2018, 09:38:53 pm ---Scotland and England still have them. It would be too far to get them though. Beekeepers don't like those aggressive bees.
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Perfectly correct on all counts. It's true that in mainland UK we still have some of their genes in the form of mongrels, but no-one in their right mind wants to keep AMM. From a beekeeping perspective they have absolutely nothing going for them: small colonies returning poor honey yields and far too over-defensive. Inspections are a nightmare - clouds of bees in your face, which then follow for a hundred yards or more long after the inspection is over. Quite possibly the world's worst bee.
There are AMM enthusiasts in the extreme SW of England, and in Northern Scotland who are attempting to revive AMM stocks - but they're amateurs with an ecological agenda. No commercial beekeeper or serious hobbyist would want to keep such bees.
LJ
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BIBBA is the organization dedicated to restoring AMM in the uk.
These folks are hardly amatuers.
The genetics of AMM are well suited for UK.
Having worked these bees and knowing a lot of the breeders, I could not disagree more with your assessment.
Characteristics include
Short mating flights
Extreme build up for flow
High disease resistance
Hygienic
Frugal
One man I know in Ireland averages 200 lbs per hive in a 12 day period which is his only serious flow. He runs 400 hives.
Steve Rose is another Wales breeder. Might be one of the best in UK running 500 or so in the highlands, incredible breeder and genetically documented from university, is very successful.
F1 regression is a problem as with any bee especially Russians here in us.
Dont confuse bleep breeders with a bad genetic.
Sue Colby went to great lengths to acquire these genetics and are a big part of her new world carniolan stock.
Not sure where you get your Info but I can assure you the BIBBA people are as serious as it gets when it comes to breeding. And are quite successful.
Take a look at dave-cushman.net and search out their breeder selection record sheets. You might be surprised at a few things.
Cheers
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van from Arkansas:
--- Quote from: Michael Bush on February 01, 2018, 08:47:21 am --->"American Indians called them white man's flies"
This always traces back to Thomas Jefferson. I can't find any other source nor his source. Lakota have real names (not made up names like European things) for honey bees, honey and beeswax. One of our words for bee is "wichayazipa". Beeswax is "wichayazipa wigli" which means literally "bees fat". Bumble bee is Wichayazipa hinsma. Honey bee is "wichayazipa thunkce" which can also mean honey bee. That is as opposed to words like "wichayazipa zi" (yellow jacket) and "chanhanpi" (sugar). We did not call them "white man's flies" and we have old stories about honey bees. I suppose it's possible to explain those stories as originally being about ants and adapted to bees... but I don't think so.
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Good info Bush. How about Wapitaw, means literally white rump or Elk in English, Black Foot tribe, Montana. I have been into the Sheep Caves North of Nez Perth, West Fork, Bitterroot Mountains. No trails lead to these, steep rugged terrain. No maps exists as they are considered very sacred, so I did not as much as pick up a rock. I saw at least 4 four caves, there are many. They are called Sheep Caves as the big horn sheep visit and leave track inside the caves.
Van
Michael Bush:
I can't speak for Blackfoot. In Lakota elk is Hehaka and that just means elk. Nothing else. True some descriptions make it into the name. Just like the name for Bumble bee which basically is a "fat bee". But still "bee" is just it's name and doesn't mean anything else. Often a name for one thing is applied with a description to another. Such as Cetan which is hawk but a red tail is a Cetan Tanka (big hawk). But the word for hawk is only a hawk, not a description of a what a hawk is. The Tanka is a description of what kind of hawk. The "made up" names are not like that.
JojoBeeBoy:
I realize this is an old post, but I thought I would drop this in anyway. These German bees are still alive and well in the mountains of TN. I found a tree near my house about a month ago.
There is also a local beek who raises queens, probably from swarms he has caught in the woods. They are likely open-bred so the results (or at least the offspring) would be hybridized. Anyone interested can email me and I will send you his contact info.
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