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Title: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 06, 2020, 07:11:20 pm
Fraud exposed in ?computer glitch? that counted Trump votes as Biden votes in a republican strong hold. Manual count showed 5000 Trump votes were counted as Biden votes. The same program was used in 47, as reported on Sean Hannity, counties in Michigan.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2020/november/a-mess-in-michigan-computer-glitch-in-program-used-in-32-counties-plus-138-000-sudden-votes-for-biden

Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: cidersabuzzin on November 06, 2020, 09:17:22 pm
Fraud exposed in ?computer glitch? that counted Trump votes as Biden votes in a republican strong hold. Manual count showed 5000 Trump votes were counted as Biden votes. The same program was used in 47, as reported on Sean Hannity, counties in Michigan.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2020/november/a-mess-in-michigan-computer-glitch-in-program-used-in-32-counties-plus-138-000-sudden-votes-for-biden

Jim Altmiller
Jim, you're clutching at straws, it's not going to happen! :wink: It will eventually fade away as will the GT.  and good riddance. He's probably heading for the nearest crazy golf course, rather appropriate I would say :grin: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 07, 2020, 12:46:32 am
If the Democrats and the media have their way it will fade away, just like every other major felony they commit.
I hope for the sake of the future of our country, this is throughly investigated and people go to jail to help stop it in the future.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 07, 2020, 02:46:55 am
This reporter from South America is pleading to us here in America: Stop the fraud! He reports the world is looking to America as the last hope of freedom for all the rest of the world. He says they did similar things in some South American Countries. When the popular candidates were leading in the elections there, they, in some states, of some of those countries, also stopped counting right in the middle of tallying the vote on TV, coming back mysteriously with a different momentum. This reporter from Brazil makes some good points.
It does take patience because of his lack of language translated vocabulary.


https://youtu.be/YFYMHdctZg4
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 07, 2020, 04:49:02 am
Other commentary from this hemisphere,

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6207282272001

Andrew Bolt is a very conservative personality here who greatly supports Trump and his style and leaning of politics.

So is ?the world? looking to America to stop the fraud?

No

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 07, 2020, 06:30:18 am
Milo,
I want the opposite. We need Trump to expose the election fraud that is going on in this country. He is probably the only person we can trust to do it.
The Democrats will do anything to win. They have no conscience. They just want to destroy US like they are doing in South America.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 07, 2020, 09:30:06 am
Other commentary from this hemisphere,

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6207282272001

Andrew Bolt is a very conservative personality here who greatly supports Trump and his style and leaning of politics.

So is ?the world? looking to America to stop the fraud?

No

I do not know Andrew Bolt nor have I heard of him, as I do not know if the following is true or false but the word we have been getting by some avenues is your Government has already silenced many true conservatives who do not fall in line, and is in the process of silencing other conservatives and their points of view. Including arresting a pregnant women, in front of her small children, INSIDE of her own home for a Facebook post seen by your government as out of line, while she was preparing to go for an ultrasound? Is this true? 

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Skeggley on November 07, 2020, 11:20:27 am
Yes it is true Phillip.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/02/three-men-arrested-ahead-of-planned-anti-lockdown-protest-in-victoria
Personally I have no sympathy for the woman whatsoever, a line was drawn in the sand by the state for the benefit of the entire country and she crossed it.
Victoria has now only 8 active COVID cases and are coming out of lock down which means our border here in the West will now finally come down soon.
With a united cause the majority of my fellow countrymen and women have been working together and now our country is nearly COVID Free with travel restrictions within the country, and other COVID free country?s such as New Zealand, will be a thing of the past unless another self righteous clown decides they know better and undoes all the sacrifices and hard work the rest of us habe done.
Before being concerned about the deflective bs propaganda circulating about other country?s worry about your own backyard mate, from what I?m seeing and hearing it appears a pretty sad state of affairs over there, hopefully you?ll all find a way to work together again and be United again and work towards a better future.
Good luck.



Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 07, 2020, 11:55:59 am
> Before being concerned about the deflective bs propaganda circulating about other country?s worry about your own backyard mate, from what I?m seeing and hearing it appears a pretty sad state of affairs over there, hopefully you?ll all find a way to work together again and be United again and work towards a better future.
Good luck.<

That is exactly what I could have suggested in regards to Bolts article as reported by Milo  Thanks for the good luck wishes and congratulations on defeating the corona virus along with yoru gained liberty. Wishing you the same good luck with no more corona cases. Good luck 🍀




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Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 07, 2020, 03:52:23 pm
I do not know Andrew Bolt nor have I heard of him, as I do not know if the following is true or false but the word we have been getting by some avenues is your Government has already silenced many true conservatives who do not fall in line, and is in the process of silencing other conservatives and their points of view. Including arresting a pregnant women, in front of her small children, INSIDE of her own home for a Facebook post seen by your government as out of line, while she was preparing to go for an ultrasound? Is this true?

To put it in perspective Andrew Bolt is almost the Australian equivalent of Tucker Carlson.

No the conservative government we have is not in the process of silencing other conservatives.

And yes she was arrested, in her own home, shock horror! For breaching the law.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 07, 2020, 03:57:21 pm
Edit to remove statement, I misread the intent
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 07, 2020, 05:14:32 pm
>To put it in perspective Andrew Bolt is almost the Australian equivalent of Tucker Carlson.

No the conservative government we have is not in the process of silencing other conservatives.

And yes she was arrested, in her own home, shock horror! For breaching the law.<


Milo, I have heard at least a couple reports from sky news just recently. Mr Bolt may have been one of the reporters that I watched. I am not sure, I will look back and see. The couple of news reports that I did watch were good and fairly accurate in my opinion. Also, I did reply to your reply here at the coffeehouse, about the foreign reporter from South America who was here, covering the election. Just for clarification and information, he was actually boots on the ground In Pennsylvania, and an eye witness to what was happening there. I highlighted briefly what he had to say. Which I think is reasonable. Thought Mr Bolt may not agree. In my country Mr Bolt would have a right to his opinion even though he gave if from thousands of miles away. As far as I know he did not go to Pennsylvania, therefore certainly he was not an eye witness as the reporter from South America was.  If you notice I did not say either of you should mind his own business as Skeg put it to me "tend to your own backyard." Nor did I say suggest that to you either. Your opinion is welcome in my opinion.

Now since you have again brought up the pregnant woman's case, (which I was invited to mind my own business about), I will once again respond. I reserve that right to respond. I watched the recorded video and report of the pregnant Mother being arrested in her home on another source, thought it has been a while. For Skegs sake I again remind you, he politely suggested I mind my own business when it comes to OZ, a habit that I had already put into place from the start, without his asking. If you look closely to your Downunder heading I rarely reply or say much there as It is for you fellows there to enjoy without my input or butting in. (Minding my own business). However,

Since you have brought this up the again, I will ask what law did she break? I Know nothing about your laws there. Did she go out of her home illegally? Was she seen out gathering a group in an unlawfully unobtrusive manner? From what I understood she simply did not agree with a mandate there and wanted to speak of her mind and opinion about the matter, and did so on facebook? Possibly suggesting to having a peaceful protest, and said as much on Facebook. Is this true? I am curious to the letter of law and am again asking since this has once again been brought up. If you do not want to talk of this any further you can also tell me to mind my own business. lol   
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 07, 2020, 06:03:08 pm
My understanding is she was charged with incitement

In Victoria, pursuant to section 321G of Victoria's Crimes Act, where a person incites any other person to pursue conduct that will involve the commission of an offence, if it is acted on in accordance with the intention of the inciter, the inciter is guilty of an offence.

How it sort of works;

I?m online organising a peaceful protest, I say to the others that if other people turn up in opposition to our protest and protest our point of view, we should beat them to a bloody pulp (and it sort of has to  happen, the assault that is).

That is incitement and a breach of Victorian Law

The police took the evidence they had to a Judge and requested a warrant for her arrest. The judge on the weight of the evidence provided granted the request

In this case she was going to breach Victorian health law. The state of Victoria has a constitutional right to make laws for the state of Victoria. One is the Health act which grants the power to the secretary of the department of health to make decisions like the restriction of movement and the wearing of masks during this pandemic.

She could very well undertake peaceful protest about the current restrictions. She would be limited in how far she could travel to do so and would have to wear a mask, but she allegedly chose to incite others to breach the current restrictions (which are Law because the Health act makes it so).

She was arrested and has been granted bail
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 07, 2020, 06:15:13 pm
Thanks Milo for taking the time to explain. Inciting is illegal here also. It would have been good if our authorities in some of the Cities here in America were as though as you at enforcing that law. 
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 08, 2020, 07:26:41 am
Milo,
We call that infringement on our first amendment. That is a scary law. Between that and your gun laws, sounds like your government has is out of control.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 08, 2020, 10:29:49 am
If this is true then it explains what has happened not only here but South America. Maybe other countries as well!

https://youtu.be/p_CoiPCSvbs
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 08, 2020, 03:20:59 pm
Milo,
We call that infringement on our first amendment. That is a scary law. Between that and your gun laws, sounds like your government has is out of control.
Jim Altmiller

Ah no, our government is not out of control.

While similar to the US our system allows for freedom of speech without allowing for things like hate filled vitriol or racial and religious discrimination to be freely expressed without consequence.

And on gun laws, well I own multiple high powered firearms. I don?t own a semi-automatic firearm, but I could under a class C license.

We also don?t have the mass shootings that the US has.

I could go on Mate but I think it would be an uncomfortable discussion. Let?s leave it there.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ralphee on November 09, 2020, 12:33:57 am
I just want to wander past and point out that what we know, we know by others telling us - what i am trying to say here is that we listen to people like Andrew Bolt (personally he is too extreme and one sided for me, although he says a lot of things that make a lot of sense!) and we listen to the news and we read the news papers etc, but who has control over what is shown?
Who has control over the version or interpretation of that news? I bet we can all find examples of extremely biased reporting without trying too hard.
Take the women in Victoria that was arrested - if all you saw was the news on channel 9 you would go out and start a protest for her! But if you look into it you discover she is not some angel that is being attacked. The police that handled that were actually really really good (take emotion out of it and watch it again). Also remember that we do not have the American version of freedom of speech here is Aus - you can get away with a *lot* but there are restrictions, inciting violence is an example and is what she was basically doing here.
And don't start the gun debate, i own guns and i think we have it right here in Aus, but thats my opinion and neither my, or your, opinions will change either countries laws, we are just a bee community!

Now - back to the voter fraud!!
How crazy is it about to get now? is this likely to start protests or riots (hopefully not), can the courts sort it out?
Who else wishes that it was a landslide win and not such a close call (either way, just have a very clear winner)?
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 09, 2020, 12:51:31 am
If this detailed report is true (along with dates and names), Could it be the reason President Trump is not following the advice of some news casters and opposing views at home or abroad? I do not know. Nor do I know if it is true or not, as I have not taken the time to research the retired Three Star General in the interview. I suppose we will see.

https://www.worldviewweekend.com/radio/audio/brannon-howse-november-4-2020




Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 09, 2020, 12:58:04 am
I just want to wander past and point out that what we know, we know by others telling us - what i am trying to say here is that we listen to people like Andrew Bolt (personally he is too extreme and one sided for me, although he says a lot of things that make a lot of sense!) and we listen to the news and we read the news papers etc, but who has control over what is shown?
Who has control over the version or interpretation of that news? I bet we can all find examples of extremely biased reporting without trying too hard.
Take the women in Victoria that was arrested - if all you saw was the news on channel 9 you would go out and start a protest for her! But if you look into it you discover she is not some angel that is being attacked. The police that handled that were actually really really good (take emotion out of it and watch it again). Also remember that we do not have the American version of freedom of speech here is Aus - you can get away with a *lot* but there are restrictions, inciting violence is an example and is what she was basically doing here.
And don't start the gun debate, i own guns and i think we have it right here in Aus, but thats my opinion and neither my, or your, opinions will change either countries laws, we are just a bee community!

Now - back to the voter fraud!!
How crazy is it about to get now? is this likely to start protests or riots (hopefully not), can the courts sort it out?
Who else wishes that it was a landslide win and not such a close call (either way, just have a very clear winner)?

Good post Ralphee....
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 09, 2020, 01:04:19 am
Ralphee I will confess that I do not know much about your country pertaining to your laws and rules. I have had the unwritten opinion that your and our country are both lovers of freedom. I also appreciate that we both originated from our once Mother Country England. I have always looked on Oz with a deep appreciation of kindredship.

Off subject now but let me ask, is the group "The Newsboys'' popular there?  They were a smash here in Christian Music, from Australia may I add.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 09, 2020, 02:56:45 am
If this detailed report is true (along with dates and names), Could it be the reason President Trump is not following the advice of some news casters and opposing views at home or abroad? I do not know. Nor do I know if it is true or not, as I have not taken the time to research the retired Three Star General in the interview. I suppose we will see.

https://www.worldviewweekend.com/radio/audio/brannon-howse-november-4-2020

Adding, the audio included of the General and others goes into detail. Well worth listening too in my opinion,
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ralphee on November 11, 2020, 01:53:03 am
Ralphee I will confess that I do not know much about your country pertaining to your laws and rules. I have had the unwritten opinion that your and our country are both lovers of freedom. I also appreciate that we both originated from our once Mother Country England. I have always looked on Oz with a deep appreciation of kindredship.

Off subject now but let me ask, is the group "The Newsboys'' popular there?  They were a smash here in Christian Music, from Australia may I add.

Yes we love our freedom, yes we started with a bunch of convicts and settlers from the mother country and thanks!
Never heard of 'The Newsboys' to be honest, Christian Music isn't very mainstream here (at least not that i have seen and i follow the pub music scene for a while)
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 11, 2020, 02:12:52 am
This is only one of their hits from Australia to the World. Crank it up  :grin:

https://youtu.be/aKTqwBetI1I
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 11, 2020, 02:36:09 am
Y'all have some good stuff coming out of Australia. This one is also from a duo from OZ which are here now. These guys call themselves "For King and Country"


https://youtu.be/cDMFIHtyjaQ
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Kathyp on November 13, 2020, 05:12:13 pm
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Before being concerned about the deflective bs propaganda circulating about other country?s worry about your own backyard mate, from what I?m seeing and hearing it appears a pretty sad state of affairs over there, hopefully you?ll all find a way to work together again and be United again and work towards a better future

I wouldn't put much store by what you see in the news if it's coming from here.  We have people crying on screen when Hillary lost, and people crying with joy about Biden.  The idea of an independent press is pretty much gone here.  And understand, I am talking about those who are supposed to be news people, not those who are political pundits.  The press actively supported both Hillary and Biden. 

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Kathyp on November 13, 2020, 05:21:45 pm
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And yes she was arrested, in her own home, shock horror! For breaching the law.

Something you might not know, but none of what they are demanding we do, is the law.  Laws are passed by either state or federal legislators.  They can't just be spewed out by random governors or the president.  Even a public health crisis declaration has its limits.
It should also be noted that we have a population of 350 million people give or take, and shutting everything down to stay at home is not an option. 

We have multiple international studies pointing to the social, educational, and economic harm that is being done around the world with shutdowns.  When it's all said and done, the hotwash on this will show more deaths from the shutdowns than from COVID.  We have not calculated the economic harm, and the long-term harm from people not getting exams, care, etc. that will lead to long-term health problems.

It may be fine with you and with your country to be told to stay home and let things go.  It may be fine with the people of New Zealand to be put in isolation camps. It is not fine with me. 
This is a highly contagious virus, but also a highly survivable virus.  The ONLY consideration that I accept as valid is that we not overwhelm our medical system.  Using NY as an example, it appears that this is not going to be an issue even as cases increase.  Death rates are going down with better treatments.  Time to get on with things.

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: minz on November 13, 2020, 06:33:47 pm
Milo,
I want the opposite. We need Trump to expose the election fraud that is going on in this country. He is probably the only person we can trust to do it.
Yes if there is one thing we can count on it is Trump telling the truth (and reading).
Trump lie count stands at over 25,000
This from the man who has been telling so many falsehoods that during the election the Fact Checker website could not keep up? How do you even rack up 25K falsehoods in 4 years.
Just listen to me and only me son and you will be fine.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 13, 2020, 06:39:20 pm
Milo,
Trump lie count stands at over 25,000.

Where did you get that figure?
If it was from our fake media, that is what it is.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 13, 2020, 08:19:14 pm
"How do you even rack up 25K falsehoods in 4 years.""

By believing the constant bovine feces spewing from the left 24/7. That's the only way. In real life, not even close.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: gww on November 13, 2020, 08:53:12 pm
Trump lies a lot.  Sometimes when he doesn't even need to cover his ass or want to sell something yet he still lies.  If you have never heard him speak, you may not have heard him tell one though.  Otherwise, how could you miss it?
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 13, 2020, 09:14:16 pm
So, gww, name a few of your great leftist pols that haven't told any. Until you do, I think you are barking up the wrong tree.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 13, 2020, 09:33:03 pm
This goes along with the earlier DETAILED report. Is this true? I do not know. To grasp this message by OAN, the earlier detailed audio Message,  along with dates and names in the below quoted section is the key.

https://youtu.be/rcAt48DUc0w



If this detailed report is true (along with dates and names), Could it be the reason President Trump is not following the advice of some news casters and opposing views at home or abroad? I do not know. Nor do I know if it is true or not, as I have not taken the time to research the retired Three Star General in the interview. I suppose we will see.

https://www.worldviewweekend.com/radio/audio/brannon-howse-november-4-2020

Adding, the audio included of the General and others goes into detail. Well worth listening too in my opinion,
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: gww on November 13, 2020, 09:54:08 pm
Iddee
I may not name a pol that has never lied but can say that one guy I knew personally that had Trumps ability to say multiple versions of something in a sentence with no embarrassment factor or fear of being caught in a lie is in prison for the last 10 plus years for multiple murder.  Now I am not saying trump is a murderer but am saying that his inability to be embarrassed raises multiple red flags in my mind.  I like to deal with people that at least try.  My question is how anyone could count on anything he says until after it is done and the risk is that he may giveth with one hand and taketh with the other.
My above mentioned sorta friend was good enough to me but did things that were too bad for his goodness to count for much in the big picture.
Even I have lied when cornered as have most but I knew it and felt it while it happened.  Trump does not give off signs that he feels anything about the things that come out of his mouth or what others may think about those things.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Kathyp on November 14, 2020, 12:09:19 am
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Trump does not give off signs that he feels anything about the things that come out of his mouth or what others may think about those things.

And he may not.  But if lying is your issue, you got a great storyteller in Biden.  Trump exaggerates and engages in hyperbole.  Biden makes up stories out of thin air.

You should probably find a different reason to dislike Trump.

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 14, 2020, 12:14:58 am
Something you might not know, but none of what they are demanding we do, is the law.  Laws are passed by either state or federal legislators.  They can't just be spewed out by random governors or the president.  Even a public health crisis declaration has its limits.

Let?s just have a real quick analysis of that for Oregon

http://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/ors/ors431.html

 431.110 General powers and duties of Oregon Health Authority. The Oregon Health Authority shall:
      (1) Have direct supervision of all matters relating to the preservation of life and health of the people of this state.
...
(7) Have full power in the control of all communicable diseases.

431.120 Other duties of Oregon Health Authority; rules. In addition to the duties described in ORS 431.115, the Oregon Health Authority shall:
      (1) Enforce the laws, rules and policies of this state related to health.

431.133 Emergency preparedness and response; rules. (1) For the purpose of establishing the foundational capabilities under ORS 431.131, emergency preparedness and response include, but are not limited to, the knowledge, skills and abilities necessary to:...
(f) Issue and enforce emergency health orders;

431.155 Authority of Oregon Health Authority to restrain violation of public health laws. (1) Whenever it appears to the Oregon Health Authority that any person is engaged or about to engage in any acts or practices that constitute a violation of any statute relating to public health administered by the authority, or any rule or order issued thereunder, the authority may institute proceedings in the circuit courts to enforce obedience thereto by injunction, or by other processes, mandatory or otherwise, restraining such person, or its officers, agents, employees and representatives from further violation of such statute, rule or order, and enjoining upon them obedience thereto.


Kathy, It looks on the face of it that they do have the legal basis to restrict movement of persons or otherwise implement controls in response to a pandemic. It also appears that they can have someone arrested for breaching those restrictions.

Anyway I do wish you all the best of luck with the situation. It?s a crap thing to be going through.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Kathyp on November 14, 2020, 12:19:04 am
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Yes if there is one thing we can count on it is Trump telling the truth (and reading).
Trump lie count stands at over 25,000
This from the man who has been telling so many falsehoods that during the election the Fact Checker website could not keep up? How do you even rack up 25K falsehoods in 4 years.
Just listen to me and only me son and you will be fine.

That's amusing.  The press and the leftists spent 4 years calling everything that he said a lie.  Even when he was proved correct they did not correct the record.  I am not a big fan of Trump the man and I will agree that he is not careful in what he says, but if I had to choose between believing the (RUSSIA COLLUSION!!) press, or Trump, I'd pick the latter.

Just for fun and this is not even up to date.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=joe-biden

and this
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/30/joe-biden-is-a-pathological-liar/

And this
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499065-lies-darned-lies-and-the-truth-about-joe-biden

If there is one thing everyone knows about old joe other than his love of hair sniffing, it is that he is not honest.  We didn't have to get all the way to this election to know that.  it's on the record.

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Kathyp on November 14, 2020, 12:27:23 am
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Let?s just have a real quick analysis of that for Oregon

According to the Oregon constitution, she can claim emergency powers for 30 days and that can be renewed by the legislature if she askes.  She has not.  They would do it.
This is not being done through the Oregon health department.  It is being done by her orders.

Since no statute or law has been passed, there are no grounds for arrest.  No one is breaking a law if they ignore her.

Tonight, she locked the state down again.  Businesses that were just getting going, are now shut down.  Gyms, restaurants, etc.  Grocery stores have to limit customers.  She left open hair salons.  WTH?

Who is going to pay for all of this lockdown crap? 

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: gww on November 14, 2020, 02:58:39 am
This was fun but I have higher priorities that are not going to allow me to keep up with this conversation.
Deer season is tomorrow. :cool:
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 14, 2020, 11:31:36 pm
More information on the fraud.

https://rumble.com/vb2hw3-this-video-proves-that-donald-trump-won-the-2020-presidential-election.html

 
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 15, 2020, 12:25:32 am
More information on the fraud.

https://rumble.com/vb2hw3-this-video-proves-that-donald-trump-won-the-2020-presidential-election.html

Jim thanks for posting. If this is true and provable then Hum...........
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 15, 2020, 05:10:26 am
Only have to click a couple of times on the ?original? data links and you go from; rumble - sarahwestall - noqreport - pedeinspector

Quote ? Trump Supporters. This is The Donald. Our community is a high-energy Trump rally. There are no exceptions.?

And the opposing view of that data used is;

?PedeInspector's analysis used data from a private election services company which had been formatted to automatically update Times graphics displays. It did not contain actual vote counts for the candidates. PedeInspector worked backward from the graphics-friendly ratios and multiplied the official counts of total number of votes with the (rounded) ratio of votes for each candidate found in the data created to feed into the graphics. Rounded numbers are by nature not exact, so any analysis relying on them to make statements about exact numbers is virtually guaranteed to be wrong.?


Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 15, 2020, 07:42:11 am
Milo, numbers aside, Do you think what has been reported by some including a three star general with intel intelligence background, (ie post 15 and 18) reporting of the hammer and scorecard system to do dirty work, meddling in elections in foreign countries, and now here, is beyond the possibility truth? And by the way, if certain organizations within our country used these means here or abroad, I think we both can agree it is beyond wrong to say the least. Could it be that all this dirty work, if true, may soon be Officially exposed? Or simply swept under the rug? We in America as well as all countries this might have been used in, we humans deserve a fairly held election. If this has been used in foreign lands or America, this needs to be exposed officially, and apparently has been exposed, unofficially?  And again if true, what can be done about it? How can this be corrected?
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 15, 2020, 10:18:33 am
This revelation, if true, may very well explain the strange similar events reported by the South American reporter of elections in South America in post 5?
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 16, 2020, 07:24:01 am
Sorry been at work

Now the info is a little mixed, some sites say that HAMR (hammer) is a super computer used by Obama and that Scorecard was the software. Some sites say that they are both CIA software programs. All link back to Dennis Montgomery, a former intelligence contractor (?) that reportedly conned the pentagon.

Montgomery has sued for defamation and it was thrown out. On appeal it was also dismissed. So a possible conman (with history) raises this claim of voter fraud.

If this was used previously why didn?t Obama use it so Trump lost last time?

If it?s accurate and of sound basis why would Trump not have added it to the body of evidence submitted to the courts?

If you do believe it, well I have a bridge to sell you ;)
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 16, 2020, 07:48:03 am
Milo, numbers aside, Do you think what has been reported by some including a three star general with intel intelligence background, (ie post 15 and 18) reporting of the hammer and scorecard system to do dirty work, meddling in elections in foreign countries, and now here, is beyond the possibility truth? And by the way, if certain organizations within our country used these means here or abroad, I think we both can agree it is beyond wrong to say the least. Could it be that all this dirty work, if true, may soon be Officially exposed? Or simply swept under the rug? We in America as well as all countries this might have been used in, we humans deserve a fairly held election. If this has been used in foreign lands or America, this needs to be exposed officially, and apparently has been exposed, unofficially?  And again if true, what can be done about it? How can this be corrected?

Sorry been at work

Now the info is a little mixed, some sites say that HAMR (hammer) is a super computer used by Obama and that Scorecard was the software. Some sites say that they are both CIA software programs. All link back to Dennis Montgomery, a former intelligence contractor (?) that reportedly conned the pentagon.

Montgomery has sued for defamation and it was thrown out. On appeal it was also dismissed. So a possible conman (with history) raises this claim of voter fraud.

If this was used previously why didn?t Obama use it so Trump lost last time?

If it?s accurate and of sound basis why would Trump not have added it to the body of evidence submitted to the courts?

If you do believe it, well I have a bridge to sell you ;)


Milo, I  ask you if you believed the possibility of a useable system such as hammer was possible.   I did not say I believe it or not believed it.
> .  Do you think what has been reported by some including a three star general with intel intelligence background, (ie post 15 and 18) reporting of the hammer and scorecard system to do dirty work, meddling in elections in foreign countries, and now here, is beyond the possibility truth?   <.
I will again ask you Do you think such a system is beyond the possibility of being true ?
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 16, 2020, 08:40:44 am
Benframed, it looks like you are reaching out into fantasy land now. I think Milo has researched the thing fairly well and has made a pretty good post. If it were true, I think there would be more publicity about it and possibly charges brought. As for possibility, YES, it's possible. How about typing on a piece of plastic with no wires connected in my little computer room andMilo reading what I write in Aussie seconds later? Totally impossible, you say? Nothing is impossible today, including the story above being true, but if it were, I think more people would be picking up and pushing it.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 16, 2020, 09:56:40 am
Benframed, it looks like you are reaching out into fantasy land now. I think Milo has researched the thing fairly well and has made a pretty good post. If it were true, I think there would be more publicity about it and possibly charges brought. As for possibility, YES, it's possible. How about typing on a piece of plastic with no wires connected in my little computer room andMilo reading what I write in Aussie seconds later? Totally impossible, you say? Nothing is impossible today, including the story above being true, but if it were, I think more people would be picking up and pushing it.

I?m not reaching out anywhere. I have posted what I have listened to via audio by Three Star General McEnerary in (post 18 with names and dates., also what was reported by Lou Dobbs and Sidney Powell on Fox (post 15) and OAN News (post 32) Not to mention others I have not posted.  I have not said I back these reports up, I think I plainly stated here more than once, even before the validity of such reports were questioned because I also have questions. Even before  Milo questioned the validity.  I see my last question to him as valid. I think it is legitimate to ask his opinion, a fellow poster here who seems to be and expert of this subject and on the outside looking in from Australia. Do you Iddee,  think the reports from the above mentioned sources are fantasy? Or me asking about these reports is reaching out into fantasy land? 
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 16, 2020, 10:30:20 am
I think our opinion of the above being true or not, and  our opinion of if it's possible, are eons apart. I wasn't referring to the validity of it, but I understood you were asking if it were possible. My response was, YES, it's possible. Is it true, I have no idea.

 Now, which were you asking? If it were true, or was it possible in today's world?
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 16, 2020, 10:42:45 am
Benframed, it looks like you are reaching out into fantasy land now. I think Milo has researched the thing fairly well and has made a pretty good post. If it were true, I think there would be more publicity about it and possibly charges brought. As for possibility, YES, it's possible. How about typing on a piece of plastic with no wires connected in my little computer room andMilo reading what I write in Aussie seconds later? Totally impossible, you say? Nothing is impossible today, including the story above being true, but if it were, I think more people would be picking up and pushing it.

I?m not reaching out anywhere. I have posted what I have listened to via audio by Three Star General McEnerary in (post 18 with names and dates., also what was reported by Lou Dobbs and Sidney Powell on Fox (post 15) and OAN News (post 32) Not to mention others I have not posted.  I have not said I back these reports up, I think I plainly stated here more than once, even before the validity of such reports were questioned because I also have questions. Even before  Milo questioned the validity.  I see my last question to him as valid. I think it is legitimate to ask his opinion, a fellow poster here who seems to be and expert of this subject and on the outside looking in from Australia. Do you Iddee,  think the reports from the above mentioned sources are fantasy? Or me asking about these reports is reaching out into fantasy land? 

I think our opinion of the above being true or not, and  our opinion of if it's possible, are eons apart. I wasn't referring to the validity of it, but I understood you were asking if it were possible. My response was, YES, it's possible. Is it true, I have no idea.

 Now, which were you asking? If it were true, or was it possible in today's world?

How can you be confused of what I was asking Milo which part confuses you?  I think I laid those questions out pretty clear.

? Reply #42 on: November 15, 2020, 07:42:11 am ?
Milo, numbers aside, Do you think what has been reported by some including a three star general with intel intelligence background, (ie post 15 and 18) reporting of the hammer and scorecard system to do dirty work, meddling in elections in foreign countries, and now here, is beyond the possibility truth? And by the way, if certain organizations within our country used these means here or abroad, I think we both can agree it is beyond wrong to say the least. Could it be that all this dirty work, if true, may soon be Officially exposed? Or simply swept under the rug? We in America as well as all countries this might have been used in, we humans deserve a fairly held election. If this has been used in foreign lands or America, this needs to be exposed officially, and apparently has been exposed, unofficially?  And again if true, what can be done about it? How can this be corrected?
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 16, 2020, 11:49:12 am
""I did not say I believe it or not believed it.
> .  Do you think what has been reported by some including a three star general with intel intelligence background, (ie post 15 and 18) reporting of the hammer and scorecard system to do dirty work, meddling in elections in foreign countries, and now here, is beyond the possibility truth?  <.
I will again ask you Do you think such a system is beyond the possibility of being true ?"""

I do not see that as asking if it is believed to be true or not. I see that as asking if it is possible. To me, there is a big difference in possible and "is".
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 16, 2020, 01:18:28 pm
Quoting Milo.

Sorry been at work

Now the info is a little mixed, some sites say that HAMR (hammer) is a super computer used by Obama and that Scorecard was the software. Some sites say that they are both CIA software programs. All link back to Dennis Montgomery, a former intelligence contractor (?) that reportedly conned the pentagon.

Montgomery has sued for defamation and it was thrown out. On appeal it was also dismissed. So a possible conman (with history) raises this claim of voter fraud.

If this was used previously why didn?t Obama use it so Trump lost last time?

If it?s accurate and of sound basis why would Trump not have added it to the body of evidence submitted to the courts?

If you do believe it, well I have a bridge to sell you ;)


Reading the above, Why would I not ask Milo if he believed it was possible, adding to the questions I had ask him previously. Concerning Milo doing his research as you suggest? Is Milo accurate? Especially since Milo refers to Dennis Montgomery as a possible con man.  Is he? HUM, I sure do not know. Lets look; Who is Dennis Montgomery? According to public information in reply 18, Dennis Montgomery was THE CIA contractor who created this Super Surveillance System (Hammer) in 2003, after 911 for our Government.
((So, if true is Dennis Montgomery a possible conman?  I am not disputing Milo, I simply do not know. Again this information is in the public report in reply 18.))
According to the report, Dennis Montgomery actually became a CIA whistleblower who handed over forty seven hard drives, ten thousand pages of documents and images along with videos In December 2015 consisting of corruption by (a) Biden. This information was given to FBIs general counsel James Baker and James Comey by non other than Dennis Montgomery.  Baker is now the Deputy general counsel of Twitter and Comey was fired by President Trump. This report says Baker and Comey "took everything" Montgomery handed over. Put on your hearing aids and Listen for yourself to the report in reply 18 before accusing me of reaching into fantasyland by asking honest questions. Remember this is the same audio which Mary Fanning and General McInerney was interviewed in post 18, telling of how the election was stolen with this same supper system. Do I also need to tell you who General Thomas McInerney, (3-Stars) U.S. Air Force (Retired) is along with his accomplishments and credentials. 
Adding to that, he possibly could be one of the pilots that saved you bacon in air strikes in Nam. Or is that reaching to far into fantasy land, as I sure don't want to overload your little donkey cart. lol  :tongue:

All the above questions by Milo were addressed in reply 18 audio. Except the last question by milo in the above. Now, Is there a system called hammer and software? If so was the election stolen or hijacked and used? I do not know. That is why I am asking...........


Now just a little friendly advice iddee, referring to Milos last statement of his bridge for sale. You don't have to listen to me but I advise you keeping your money in your pocket just in case you might be interested....    :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 16, 2020, 02:09:41 pm
I guess you overloaded my little donkey cart. I have no idea what your last sentence means.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 16, 2020, 02:16:12 pm
I guess you overloaded my little donkey cart. I have no idea what your last sentence means.

I was kidding you my friend. I got that from Milos last sentence of his last post 44 as he was actually referring to me. I simply sent it on to you for fun. Be careful what you buy from a fellow who claims to have bridges for sale .  :cheesy:

Quoting Milo
"If you do believe it, well I have a bridge to sell you ;)"




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Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 16, 2020, 06:42:53 pm
But, But, But,  I done bought it. :oops:   :embarassed:   :shocked:
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 16, 2020, 06:48:07 pm
But, But, But,  I done bought it. :oops:   :embarassed:   :shocked:

Don't feel bad, I almost bought it too!!!!    :oops: :embarassed: :shocked:  :smile:
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 17, 2020, 12:18:14 pm
https://youtu.be/TVG77a97PuE
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 17, 2020, 12:38:01 pm
Is this true?


https://youtu.be/slaANQU_ALM
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 17, 2020, 06:33:22 pm
That is one smart service dog Jim....
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 17, 2020, 10:06:57 pm
Big News if true.
This post ties in to post 3,15,18 and 32. 

CC For The Hearing Impaired
https://youtu.be/zMDtOtGFrYg
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 17, 2020, 10:15:00 pm
Edited reply : See reply 59


 
Big News If True
This post ties in to post 3,15,18 and 32.   

CC For the Hearing Impaired
https://youtu.be/zMDtOtGFrYg
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: minz on November 18, 2020, 08:36:11 pm
A bipartisan panel in Michigan's largest county unanimously certified its presidential results on Tuesday night, a stunning reversal hours after Republicans had temporarily blocked certification based on dubious claims of voting irregularities in Detroit.
Well that should end this thread but can we get some Deep State going on?
I was working on my apple trees this weekend and the neighbor came over telling me all about the 'deep state' conspiracies. What he was spewing was just scary that people believe that.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 18, 2020, 09:26:51 pm
Was that in Wayne county? Maybe this had something to do with them changing their mind.

Yes, deep state is alive and well.

https://100percentfedup.com/michigan-republican-flips-vote-on-certifying-election-after-threatened-and-called-racist-during-zoom-call/

https://100percentfedup.com/three-mi-muslim-dem-lawmakers-make-vile-accusations-against-wayne-co-gop-election-officialsopenly-dox-gop-chairs-children/


https://100percentfedup.com/mi-gop-poll-challenger-wayne-co-election-supervisor-told-worker-to-push-ballot-marked-straight-dem-party-and-straight-republican-party-through-for-democratsrefused-to-allow-her-to-challenge/
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 19, 2020, 06:04:46 am
Looks like things have changed for the better, minz.


https://100percentfedup.com/breaking-bombshell-wayne-co-board-of-canvassers-republicans-rescind-votes-to-certify-election-after-dem-sec-of-state-says-she-wont-audit-vote-and-families-were-threatened/
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 19, 2020, 06:04:27 pm
The canvassers said the vote tally didn?t match the poll book they had

People can register to vote through Election Day if they provide proof of who they are and where they live

I don?t have the details but suspect a significant number of people registered on the day and therefore the vote tally didn?t match the out of date poll book, but Remarks should have been made on the discrepancy

With a quick scan I cannot see the details of what should happen if the canvassers don?t certify their county, except for the part where it?s states that if not done by 14 days it goes to the Board of State Cavassers to complete

Also the local Canvassers don?t have the legal power to investigate alleged election law violations;

Special Note: The purpose of a canvass is to verify the proper completion of the records related to the election at hand. The investigation of alleged election law violations is not a part of the canvass. Consequently, the Board of County Canvassers does not have the authority to pass upon the legality of an election. In McQuade v Furgason, 91 Mich 438 (1892), the Michigan Supreme Court stated:
?(I)t is the settled law of this State that canvassing boards are bound by the return, and cannot go behind it, especially for the purpose of determining frauds in the election. Their duties are purely ministerial and clerical....?
For further information on the scope of a Board of County Canvassers? authority when canvassing an election, refer to Attorney General Opinion No. 6230, issued on June 14, 1984.
POWER TO CORRECT ERRORS: If there appears to be a discrepancy in the recount



So it doesn?t matter if the local Canvasser will not validate the results or rescinds their vote, as they have no power to prevent the vote being called for a person.

Basically the hype about the Canvassers is a nothing-burger and will lead to nothing as there is already legal precedent (McQuade v Furgason)

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/BCC_Manual_464331_7.pdf
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: minz on November 19, 2020, 09:27:19 pm
Come on, that is hilarious!
 Now he is paying WI $3M to do a recount in just two counties. So lets say that he able to do that in WI and get 10 more. He can get the legislature to overturn MI and get 16, he gets Pennsylvania?s 20 due to an asteroid strike. That gives him 46 more. Wow a 256. My math says he is 14 short. Now we need Godzilla! What is the endgame other than looking pathetic?
 Do you support this rubbish?

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 19, 2020, 09:45:29 pm
I support that rubbish much better than I support this rubbish....



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Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: minz on November 21, 2020, 06:45:36 pm
Nice cartoon but it does not answer why is he tearing the country apart and questioning the entire system without any path to victory in sight?
Ok other than his ego to having lost to the worst canidate in history?
The reality is that he lost bad, ther is no proof and we are stuck with a suck ass leader.
This is making hillary look more professional than he is, what is his goal?
Lets say the legislature says Trump wins, dispite 5 million fewer votes. Do you think the country would survive? The place would finish tearing itself apart.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: iddee on November 21, 2020, 08:42:42 pm
Good post, but what would happen if they found he had 5 million more ""legal" votes than Biden?
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Beelab on November 22, 2020, 04:30:50 am
We all have to face Trump has lost. Best to get over it.
Personally, I?m not political either way. But we need a change.
I wonder if the US is realising the entire world is laughing about your, hopefully previous, dictator.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 22, 2020, 08:56:27 am
Interesting thoughts here. Beelab you might find the part mentioned about your country, from The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) toward your country, interesting. Nothing to me as I have nothing to do with your countries politics, as you say, >one way or another< keep laughing, even if what the reporter says about you is true! Have yourself a ball!

Interesting overview.
Titled: Dominion head skips out on government hearing; Tucker Carlson quarrels with Sidney Powell?

CC for the hearing impaired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnsHl5qzpYc
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 22, 2020, 09:05:09 am
Interesting thoughts here. Beelab you might find the part mentioned about your country, from The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) toward your country, interesting. Nothing to me as I have nothing to do with your countries politics, as you say, >one way or another< keep laughing, even if what the reporter says about you is true! Have yourself a ball!

Interesting overview.
Titled: Dominion head skips out on government hearing; Tucker Carlson quarrels with Sidney Powell?

CC for the hearing impaired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnsHl5qzpYc

I noticed this is no longer avaoble on the above platform. Google this:

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Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 22, 2020, 09:48:20 am
According to his LinkedIn profile, Michael Lewis is the Digital Marketing Manager at NTD

NTD also produces the Epoch Times

Both productions are Falun Gong crazy.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 22, 2020, 10:09:10 am
According to his LinkedIn profile, Michael Lewis is the Digital Marketing Manager at NTD

NTD also produces the Epoch Times

Both productions are Falun Gong crazy.

AND?

Let me ask you, Do you consider this news companies founders spiritual beliefs the issue here? Could it be they are opposed to the struggling from restless oppression from communism, especially the ccp of their very own country of the News outlets' founders?  I for one do not believe in their spirituality. No more than I follow that of the dalai lama. I do believe they are fighting the oppression, (or struggling if you will), of communist for their freedom of religion. Do you consider that a bad thing?  Do you think Lying about your country or mine will further their cause with either country, mine or yours? What is your point Milo?




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Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Tsquared on November 22, 2020, 11:29:26 am
We all have to face Trump has lost. Best to get over it.
Personally, I?m not political either way. But we need a change.
I wonder if the US is realising the entire world is laughing about your, hopefully previous, dictator.
It?s not a laughing matter if you live next door like we do in Canada. The former bulwark of democracy is looking a little shakey at the moment. I hope our neighbors can find a way to solve their problems peacefully.
Tsquared
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 22, 2020, 02:57:54 pm
We all have to face Trump has lost. Best to get over it.
Personally, I?m not political either way. But we need a change.
I wonder if the US is realising the entire world is laughing about your, hopefully previous, dictator.
It?s not a laughing matter if you live next door like we do in Canada. The former bulwark of democracy is looking a little shakey at the moment. I hope our neighbors can find a way to solve their problems peacefully.
Tsquared

I agree, it is not a laughing matter, nor would it be a laughing matter if the fraud and wrong which is being exposed by the Trump legal team, along with many many witnesses, were to occur in ANY country, neighboring or non-neighboring such as Venezuela for example. Maybe other countries as well (see reply 3). As for Venezuela, it apparently already has occurred according to eyewitnesses in high places in there in Venezuela according to a top general that witnessed the whole thing as reported by Sidney Powell. It would not be funny to me if this same type fraud was committed in ANY country. You name it (the country). From the very smallest country or the largest, you might include for examples, England, Australia, Cuba, Zimbaguay, or any other country that we could name Free or Non Free, which seek a fair election. A fairly held election is a basic.    Sad.....
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 22, 2020, 05:45:22 pm
According to his LinkedIn profile, Michael Lewis is the Digital Marketing Manager at NTD

NTD also produces the Epoch Times

Both productions are Falun Gong crazy.

AND?

Let me ask you, Do you consider this news companies founders spiritual beliefs the issue here? Could it be they are opposed to the struggling from restless oppression from communism, especially the ccp of their very own country of the News outlets' founders?  I for one do not believe in their spirituality. No more than I follow that of the dalai lama. I do believe they are fighting the oppression, (or struggling if you will), of communist for their freedom of religion. Do you consider that a bad thing?  Do you think Lying about your country or mine will further their cause with either country, mine or yours? What is your point Milo?                                                                                                                     .

And my point is you are being used as a stalking horse for their aims.

The video is a slick production by an organisation claiming to be a News org but in reality is the media arm of a political movement that doesn?t readily identify the origins of the work or owners.

And if we take into consideration their background and experience with China then the commentary around civil disobedience requiring the Military is grossly hypocritical. ahem can anyone say Tiananmen Square.

As for the evidence of voter fraud; yes affidavits and more are evidence, but evidence submitted to a court of law doesn?t mean it is material, admissible or noteworthy.

Anyone can make a statement and sign that in their opinion it is factual, it?s up to the courts to decide if it?s truth or bull-dust.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: minz on November 22, 2020, 10:30:19 pm
Good post, but what would happen if they found he had 5 million more ""legal" votes than Biden?
Trump has never been ahead in the poles, even when he won he did it by electoral votes correct?
When he got COVID he was unable to make the final push to regain these regions and could not sway the same swing votes.
He is behind by 5 million popular votes but more importantly he could not get the same swing states.
its done. the only thing left is laying on the ground looking like a looser rather than a leader.
The dems can not get together enough to pass gas much less a conspiracy of this magnitude (and do it flawlessly)
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 22, 2020, 10:50:10 pm
                                                                         
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According to his LinkedIn profile, Michael Lewis is the Digital Marketing Manager at NTD

NTD also produces the Epoch Times

Both productions are Falun Gong crazy.

AND?

Let me ask you, Do you consider this news companies founders spiritual beliefs the issue here? Could it be they are opposed to the struggling from restless oppression from communism, especially the ccp of their very own country of the News outlets' founders?  I for one do not believe in their spirituality. No more than I follow that of the dalai lama. I do believe they are fighting the oppression, (or struggling if you will), of communist for their freedom of religion. Do you consider that a bad thing?  Do you think Lying about your country or mine will further their cause with either country, mine or yours? What is your point Milo?                                                                                                                     .

And my point is you are being used as a stalking horse for their aims.

The video is a slick production by an organisation claiming to be a News org but in reality is the media arm of a political movement that doesn?t readily identify the origins of the work or owners.

And if we take into consideration their background and experience with China then the commentary around civil disobedience requiring the Military is grossly hypocritical. ahem can anyone say Tiananmen Square.

As for the evidence of voter fraud; yes affidavits and more are evidence, but evidence submitted to a court of law doesn?t mean it is material, admissible or noteworthy.

Anyone can make a statement and sign that in their opinion it is factual, it?s up to the courts to decide if it?s truth or bull-dust.



>And my point is you are being used as a stalking horse for their aims.

You say "you" are being used as a stalking horse for their aim. America as well as Australia was mentioned in this report. Their aim of using each of us as a stalking horse is what? Opposing communism? Seeking Freedom?
Now to the point, Let me ask you; Which part of the news video concerning America is false? Which part of the video concerning Australia is false?   

> The video is a slick production by an organisation claiming to be a News org but in reality is the media arm of a political movement that doesn?t readily identify the origins of the work or owners.

Again, let's take a closer look, what part of this report is false? All? half? One fourth? Other?

> And if we take into consideration their background and experience with China then the commentary around civil disobedience requiring the Military is grossly hypocritical. ahem can anyone say Tiananmen Square. 

Explain please; Was the demonstrators at Tiananmen Square peaceful? Were they burning down the cities of China? Rioting and looting? Killing fellow citizens? Attacking the police? Etc and so on? They may very well have been doing so. I do not know much about this.
Hypocritical you say.
It would seem every freedom loving person, here in America, and those even as far away as Oz would be concerned of widespread voter fraud here or anywhere in the world? There again, We should not be surprised that so many in foreign countries such as yours has swallowed the Bull dust of the left.  How could we, would we, or should we be surprised or expect any different when so many here in America has swallowed it as well?
Sad..

> As for the evidence of voter fraud; yes affidavits and more are evidence, but evidence submitted to a court of law doesn't mean it is material, admissible or noteworthy.
> Anyone can make a statement and sign that in their opinion it is factual, it's up to the courts to decide if it's truth or bull-dust.

Eyewitness, election OFFICIALS, postal workers, along with many others have signed SWORN statements stating facts of voter fraud they actually eye witnessed, yes, voter fraud and law breaking. A shiftless person may very well sign a (statement of opinion). A witness will sign a  Sworn Affidavit of facts and events witnessed.








                                           
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 23, 2020, 10:07:45 am
Which is saddest? A nation that would willingly give up its Liberty, its Freedom, turning its back on its very own Constitutional form of government and the most unique form of government the world has ever known, in exchange for a socialism leaning leader through a fair and honestly held election? Or a nation which may have said no to socialism yet may have had that very election stolen, or in the process of being stolen via corruption?  If it was a honest election that would be that and a sad day for freedom and the America way of Life. But what if stolen? Which would be worse? I suppose we will see once the evidence is presented to our courts.  Either way, I Thank God for the opportunity we Americans have experienced, even up to this minute, to live in a nation where even the most oppressed can say.  >Thank God Almighty We are free at last!< How soon that freedom may be secured or lost. Sad it has gone this far. Sad that so many have gone along with the left, simply because they hate President Trump.  Double Sad.   No; Triple  Sad......
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 23, 2020, 02:44:16 pm
Ben,
What is really sad is that our media is one of the prime reasons that so many people hate Trump. The problem is that most of them are controlled by communism leaning people. Ronald Reagan documented this years ago about the movie business. It started a long time ago and they are the ones brain washing the American people.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 23, 2020, 06:47:58 pm
Thanks Jim. We, on the tower, blew the trumpet. We did our best to warn the people.


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Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Acebird on November 24, 2020, 08:23:55 am
Which is saddest? A nation that would willingly give up its Liberty, its Freedom, turning its back on its very own Constitutional form of government and the most unique form of government the world has ever known, in exchange for a socialism leaning leader through a fair and honestly held election? Or a nation which may have said no to socialism yet may have had that very election stolen, or in the process of being stolen via corruption?  If it was a honest election that would be that and a sad day for freedom and the America way of Life. But what if stolen? Which would be worse? I suppose we will see once the evidence is presented to our courts.  Either way, I Thank God for the opportunity we Americans have experienced, even up to this minute, to live in a nation where even the most oppressed can say.  >Thank God Almighty We are free at last!< How soon that freedom may be secured or lost. Sad it has gone this far. Sad that so many have gone along with the left, simply because they hate President Trump.  Double Sad.   No; Triple  Sad......
Phill I avoided this thread because of the irony of the title.  But I am afraid you have everything reversed.  Corruption and a stolen election occurred in 2016 due to Russian medaling changing the minds of people with propaganda who do not make up their minds until the last minute.  They took a chance and voted for Trump.  Less than 4 years went by, far less then 4 and they realized their mistake.  The mistake was so obvious that even long time republicans not only voted for Biden they organized against Trump.  So when you say the left stole the election I ask you what left?  Republicans, independents, socialist, democrats?  Yes, all of them.  What is sad is that you have no idea what democracy, freedom and the American way is.  We have a self correcting government if and only if we do not let a dictator take hold.  That is when all freedoms are lost and most especially the second amendment.
I hope you will wish our new president well like you canvased "the left" to do the same for mr. Trump, now that the shoe is on the other foot.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 24, 2020, 10:06:43 am
Which is saddest? A nation that would willingly give up its Liberty, its Freedom, turning its back on its very own Constitutional form of government and the most unique form of government the world has ever known, in exchange for a socialism leaning leader through a fair and honestly held election? Or a nation which may have said no to socialism yet may have had that very election stolen, or in the process of being stolen via corruption?  If it was a honest election that would be that and a sad day for freedom and the America way of Life. But what if stolen? Which would be worse? I suppose we will see once the evidence is presented to our courts.  Either way, I Thank God for the opportunity we Americans have experienced, even up to this minute, to live in a nation where even the most oppressed can say.  >Thank God Almighty We are free at last!< How soon that freedom may be secured or lost. Sad it has gone this far. Sad that so many have gone along with the left, simply because they hate President Trump.  Double Sad.   No; Triple  Sad......
Phill I avoided this thread because of the irony of the title.  But I am afraid you have everything reversed.  Corruption and a stolen election occurred in 2016 due to Russian medaling changing the minds of people with propaganda who do not make up their minds until the last minute.  They took a chance and voted for Trump.  Less than 4 years went by, far less then 4 and they realized their mistake.  The mistake was so obvious that even long time republicans not only voted for Biden they organized against Trump.  So when you say the left stole the election I ask you what left?  Republicans, independents, socialist, democrats?  Yes, all of them.  What is sad is that you have no idea what democracy, freedom and the American way is.  We have a self correcting government if and only if we do not let a dictator take hold.  That is when all freedoms are lost and most especially the second amendment.
I hope you will wish our new president well like you canvased "the left" to do the same for mr. Trump, now that the shoe is on the other foot.

Russia helped Trump you say? By giving Donald Trump or Donald Jr money directly from  the Widow of the Mayor of Moscow? The very Capital of Russia. If that were so then..... You have it backwards my friend, not me. It was the Bidens namely Hunter, Joe's son not Donalds, that was being forked over money from the Russians. It is the left which has been blowing that hollow tune of false propaganda of Russia for 4 years that you are echoing even now. The leftist media that Jim mentioned. If you were to Investigate, you might learn more about this instead of repeating the Bunkum that is fed to so many by these groups posing as News Agencies. Using hate as their fuel. Hate is a powerful tool to the uninformed.

Back to the fraud of the election. Have you been investigating the wide spread goings on a by the democrats at the polls and counting centers at some of the key places? Not only in Michigan but others as well? I will dare to Guess no. Because You still believe the bull about Russian and Trump, even after years of investigation, of apparently republicans only, democrats excluded investigations. Do you want to win by law breaking counters and cheating? Not to mention the voting machines. Do you think this will heal America by stealing? Do you think for one second this will bring unity? And if your man was so good and so loved, or preferred, why cheat in the first place? I would think you would know the answer to that. You have stated your opinion to me, This is my answer back to you. There is plenty more if you wish?


Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 24, 2020, 12:00:12 pm
As a side note to the above:
President Trump made several promises to America. Most of those promises have been kept except the greatest promise of all. "Drain the swamp", Will the President keep that promise, no matter who the enemies of the Constitution may be? Be they Republicans, Independents, Socialist, Democrats or anyone in Washington who may be an enemy of The United States of America as laid out by our Constitution? So far that promise has not been kept. Will it be kept? We will see. I do not know.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on November 24, 2020, 02:15:55 pm
...Back to the fraud of the election. Have you been investigating the wide spread goings on a by the democrats at the polls and counting centers at some of the key places? Not only in Michigan but others as well?...

An accusation of wide spread election fraud unsupported by evidence. As the Judge in Pennsylvania put it; This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence

Look at cases that have evidence of alleged fraud, not just hot air being yelled at the clouds or into the interwebs. Cases like Leslie McCrae Dowless & Kelly Reagan Brunner

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 24, 2020, 02:44:34 pm
> This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence


Yes that is what the Pennsylvania Judge said. I am working and can not look up your cases but will do so later.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Acebird on November 24, 2020, 05:47:05 pm
Have you been investigating the wide spread goings on a by the democrats at the polls and counting centers at some of the key places?
Phill that can't happen without republican involvement.  They are both there practically shoulder to shoulder.  The faults accusations are just that faults accusations.  Proven by the recounts and certifications.  Time to give up the nonsense.  He is a liar.  He always was.  And you worship him like a god.  That is what is sad.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 24, 2020, 07:15:29 pm
>Phill that can't happen without republican involvement.  They are both there practically shoulder to shoulder. 

Yes that is the way it is set up. But not allowed in some KEY precincts, according to very ones, (official witnesses). Republicans officials who were there for that very reason were not allowed even close to the counting. But were placed behind barriers. Lawsuits were filed and won. Still the republican officials were held back and court orders were ignored in some key precincts. You know this. It is public record. 
 
>And you worship him like a god.  That is what is sad.

Untrue, You and I have discussed this more than once. As every time before, I will say it even again, I realize he is standing for the Constitution and Freedom by the way of the same Constitution, against socialism, communism and any other form of Government which opposes our Constitution, as these do not fit in with our Constitutional form of Government. 
I will again refer you to post 79

Adding Rudy Giuliani's team laid out the case, assisted by Sidney Powell in a press conference a few days ago. Did you take the time to watch or listen?


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Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: minz on November 25, 2020, 04:05:26 pm

Adding Rudy Giuliani's team laid out the case, assisted by Sidney Powell in a press conference a few days ago. Did you take the time to watch or listen?


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Do you mean the ?My Cousin Vinnie? one man play with the hair polish running down the side of his face! Greatest press conference ever. How the deep state stole the election by using voting machines from Venezuela , routing it through Spain with dollars from Russia.
I thought that was a joke. Even Chris Christy said it was a travesty.
You must be trolling.....
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 25, 2020, 06:07:44 pm

Adding Rudy Giuliani's team laid out the case, assisted by Sidney Powell in a press conference a few days ago. Did you take the time to watch or listen?


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Do you mean the ?My Cousin Vinnie? one man play with the hair polish running down the side of his face! Greatest press conference ever. How the deep state stole the election by using voting machines from Venezuela , routing it through Spain with dollars from Russia.
I thought that was a joke. Even Chris Christy said it was a travesty.
You must be trolling.....

Me Trolling you ask? Hum let's take a look.
If you are referring to the conference where Mayor Giuliani mentioned My Cousin Vinny, a clever simile Liken to the scene where the Republican officials were expected to view the openings of the mailed in ballots, along with regular counting of ballots, from a distance as far or further than the lady in the movie scene, then yes. Actually a good simile for those who do not have the insight to recognize distance when referred to in measurements of feet. As for your nasty statement of Mayor Giuliani; The very mayor which may very well be the best Mayor New York has ever seen; I'm not surprised, typical and par treatment displayed by the ugliness of the left.

Since you have been in semi-reclusness for the time I have been here, let me ask you. Are you trolling or just strolling today? I will go ahead and assume both. You certainly have not made any valid points that I can recognize. lol :cheesy:


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Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: minz on November 27, 2020, 12:55:45 am
Both, just having some fun.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on November 27, 2020, 01:47:47 am
As I suspected ....   :smile:



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Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: cidersabuzzin on November 27, 2020, 12:34:45 pm
Both, just having some fun.

Welcome to the club Minz, welcome to the club :grin:
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 13, 2020, 11:28:30 pm
Hum
Start at 7:24


CC for the hearing impaired
https://youtu.be/fVFOiRmrhCA
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Michael Bush on December 14, 2020, 12:38:05 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMrEzqwffEs
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 23, 2020, 12:40:04 pm


You might add Nevada to the list.


No proof?  Try finding this on YouTube, Twitter, ETC. Hum



https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4931722/user-clip-jesse-binnall-opening-statement

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Michael Bush on December 25, 2020, 12:38:55 pm
All I hear from the left is "nothing to see here"  or in another context "these aren't the droids you're looking for..."  If there is nothing to hide, then let's do an audit.  Of course if you keep counting fraudulent ballots you'll keep getting the came count.  But if you look at every ballot you can see the fraud that thousands of sworn affidavits have talked about.  Apparently no one remembers how to run an election.  We've been doing this a long time.  Every ballot has to be accounted for from when they are printed to when they are counted.  They have to be signed by poll workers.  The numbers have to add up.  The number of ballots sent to the poll has to equal the number of ballots returned.  There has to be a consistent chain of custody.  We have ways of preventing and detecting ballot box stuffing, but only if those procedures are followed.  Why are they fighting every subpoena to look at any of this?  And why are they shredding ballots and wiping voting machines?  People with nothing to hide don't need to block all attempts to look at the evidence.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 25, 2020, 03:57:19 pm
 Good post Mr Bush








                                                                                                 
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Milo on December 26, 2020, 04:20:24 am
And yet it appears that your election officials do know how to run an election and that many of the observers that objected to issues and signed affidavits have NFI (need further information) in how the process actually runs.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7333928-Elections-Mich-Affidavit-Thomas-1.html

Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Michael Bush on January 01, 2021, 01:36:14 pm
I have listened to hundreds, if not thousands of hours of eyewitness testimony of voter fraud in many states.  There have been hearings in front of the various state legislatures.  Many of the witnesses had worked for the election committee for decades.  Some had volunteered as witnesses for decades.  These were not  people who didn't know how an election works.  Some of them said that the media had reported that they had recanted their testimony.  They had not.  Many have now been fired, which is an odd way to treat a whistleblower if you have nothing to hide.
Title: Re: Michigan voter fraud exposed.
Post by: Ben Framed on January 01, 2021, 01:42:38 pm
I have listened to hundreds, if not thousands of hours of eyewitness testimony of voter fraud in many states.  There have been hearings in front of the various state legislatures.  Many of the witnesses had worked for the election committee for decades.  Some had volunteered as witnesses for decades.  These were not  people who didn't know how an election works.  Some of them said that the media had reported that they had recanted their testimony.  They had not.  Many have now been fired, which is an odd way to treat a whistleblower if you have nothing to hide.

Good post Mr Bush, Sad and Outrageous.