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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2021, 06:38:03 pm »
>I am not missing the point at all.

Yea.  You are.  Completely and on every point. 

If the right was trying to storm the capitol you would have a different government right now.  They were not.  A few radicals did and among them were BLM and Antifa as well as a few Trump supporters.  None of the other 3 million protesters did. 

You are missing the point all together.  As far as contesting electoral votes during the count that happens almost every election.  The last time the Democrats did it was in 2016...  It's not only constitutional, the provision for it is built into the law and the constitution.  To say it's unconstitutional is absurd.

Everything the left has proposed in the last few decades in regards to elections are things that make it easier to cheat not things that make it more secure.  They spent the last four years claiming Trump was not legitimate and have impeached him twice.  Once they didn't even accuse him of a crime, and the other they accused him of time travel.  The timeline does not fit the narrative.  The people who broke into the capital did it before Trump finished his speech and the FBI knew they were going to do it three days before it happened.  So they not only refused to accept Trump as legitimate (and are still saying it was Russia who elected him and hacked the election) they now say anyone who questions the results of an election is undermining the Republic.  After four years of doing just that.  The hypocrisy is beyond amazing.  I think it is unprecedented in human history!
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2021, 07:41:23 pm »
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They went to the capitol under the banner of stop the streel.  They did it on the day that is set to count delegates.
The protest in the capitol were to delay the counting time line as set forth in the constitution.  They did it on the day after trump tried to get more votes on a taped phone call.  It would take an idiot not to think the ideal was to cancel legitimate voters votes if that is what it took to keep trump in power.

It is a lie that antifa or blm had any part in what happened.  Trumps speech lasted 90 minutes and just cause he was still talking does not mean his words did not stir it up.

Going with your numbers, 3,000,000 could have taken the capitol if they wanted but didn't.  They did take it and killed a cop while doing it as well as injuring about 50 more.  Am I supposed to be thankful that they might have thought they did enough and might have misjudged it that?  The whole protest was based on stealing something they did not have coming.  It was wrong on its face even if they did not go in.  They were there to pressure a stop of the count.  They said f the courts and the constitution.   All the authorities still say russia did interfere in the election but trump still got seated.  Who is really making a hypocritical point here?

Trump should have been impeached over ukrane but the republicans have decided getting power by any means is ok.  Who cares about right and wrong if it might hurt to care?  Many of the republicans admitted trumps wrong doing but thought he would change.  This is from some of their mouths, not mine.  The truth is that keeping that base of voters is most important even if it is only enough to get you to come out on top in a run off but does not play well with wide voter appeal.  Goergia is a good example. 

Just keep playing these games and see how it goes long run.

Biden won the election.  There was not conspiracy in three or five states and all the courts that trump would need to be able to say he won.  That is just a unbelievable thing.  Might as well be barking at the moon for all you are accomplishing hanging on to those thoughts.

I see nothing wrong with addressing legitimate voting issues with all having a say.

Stop the steal is just wrong though.  Biden won.
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Ps  Go back 4 years on this very site and see my comments before the election and my comments after election day and you will see that I was not such a cry baby about my guy losing as you guys are even if I was really disappointed.
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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2021, 10:46:40 pm »
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I am not missing the point at all.  The left was unhappy but they did not storm the capitol and try and get the representatives to violate their oath.   Clinton did concede.  Yes, they investigated russia, How could you not when multiple appointees were lying during their confirmations.  What were they trying to hide.   But they accepted the constitution.  I will lobby things that I don't like biden doing.  So what is there was a womens march to put pressure on trump in a bid to keep him from going too far on their issues.  That is nothing like not listening to courts and trying to change outcomes.  It is no where near the same.  Not even close.
Even on the doubts of this election.  It is not a majority thinking the election was stolen.  It is a minority trying to lift above their weight even if it disenfranchises the majority.

You are absolutely missing the point.  Clinton did concede and then spent the next 4 years whining about how the election was stolen from her.  They investigated Russia based on a lie, and the lie was born in the Clinton campaign, spread by foreign powers, and lied about by the FBI, the press, and Obama era "experts" along with dems in congress.  4 years of that crap and it came to nothing.   

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How could you not when multiple appointees were lying during their confirmations.  What were they trying to hide.

Who lied?

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So what is there was a womens march to put pressure on trump in a bid to keep him from going too far on their issues.

There was a riot.  There was also the day those nutters tried to break into the supreme court, but that's OK.  They had a righteous cause, right?

I don't know how old you are, but when I started voting we showed ID, proof of address, and we voted in our neighborhoods ON the day of the election.  It did not take weeks to count the votes.
Even if you like vote by mail, it can be done safely.  Oregon was an example of how to do it.  Register ahead of time with proof of ID and address along with a signature card.  Balots in by election day.  Ballots counted.  Done.  Of course, this does not allow for much fraud and so Oregon is now proposing changes that will allow for fraud.  There is no suggestion that anyone is disenfranchised by how it is now done.  What would be the reason for changing things?

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It is a lie that antifa or blm had any part in what happened.  Trumps speech lasted 90 minutes and just cause he was still talking does not mean his words did not stir it up.

There is no law against stirring things up. Stirring things up was what the great orators of our past did!  The first amendment is specifically meant to protect political speech.  Incitement has a specific definition as does insurrection.  While I will agree with you that BLM and Antifa were not the main players, there were most certainly some of both in the crowd.  At least one BLM member has been arrested. At least on Antifa member has been ID'd. The main fault goes to those Q nutters.

Compare the reaction to a couple of hours of what really was mostly peaceful, to the reaction of months of rioting, looting, murder, and burning.  It is still going on here.  It should not matter where it happens.  Federal and state properties belong to the people.  None are holy, not even the capital.  Private property is someones life and hard work.  Even so, these SHs have been allowed to run in the streets destroying whatever they come across and killing people.

My point is that you can't have a standard for one group of people and then be surprised when another group acts the same way.  It is all equally bad and should all be treated in the same way.

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All the authorities still say russia did interfere in the election but trump still got seated.

It is interesting that the friend of the left, Russia, is all of a sudden the bogyman.  You guys are late to the party.  Not surprising, as Obama didn't get it either and laughed at Romney for suggesting that Russia was the enemy.  Russia has and always will try to interfere in our elections and our politics and they will always try to destroy us from within.  Just as has always happened, the left is a willing accomplice.  Russia could not have had a better result over the last 4 years than the one handed to them by the left.  China interferes, lots of countries interfere.  WE interfere in other elections.  It is the game that has been played since the beginning of kingdomes.


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Biden won the election.  There was not conspiracy in three or five states and all the courts that trump would need to be able to say he won
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Biden may well have won.  Again, not the point.  We need to have elections that are trusted by the losers, not the winners.  We don't have that and have not had that for quite a while.  The proposed changes to make voting even less secure is not going to fix the issues. The left did not trust that  Hillary lost.  They did not trust that (thank God) Gore lost.  In fact, 3 times in the last 20 years the Dems have challenged the electoral college results, so the fact that some republicans were going to do the same should not shock anyone.

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Trump should have been impeached over ukrane but the republicans have decided getting power by any means is ok.

On what grounds would you have had him impeached over Ukraine?  I watched that entire testimony and the longer it went, the more it fell apart.  We also now know that one of the witnesses was involved in the Russia crap. That would be Fiona Hill. 

Look, there is far more to all of this than Trumps tweeting.  There was an absolute panic in the intel agencies when he was elected. Impeachment was mentioned before he'd been in office one day.   We already know a bit of what was going on because of the Snowden theft of intel, and Brennan and Clappers lies to congress.  If any people should be in jail it's those two.  When Trump promised to drain the swamp and hired Flynn to do it, that was the taper to the woodpile for those who have worked without a leash since 2001.  There is far more to this story and there are people, including the leftist press who will do anything to keep us from knowing it all.

I believe you need more balanced sources of info.  If I turned on MSNBC I would hear your words coming out of their mouths.  The echo chamber is comfortable, but deceptive.

And let me ask you one more thing.  What do you think will be the result of the press and the left telling 47ish million people that they are terrorists, need to be deprogrammed, and should never be allowed to hold office or even a job if they voted for Trump? If this is the position of the party in power, I think we are pretty much done...but that might be the goal anyway.  it is certainly the stated goal of some of the new and vocal people in congress.





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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2021, 11:48:32 pm »
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All I know is that when trump got the most votes, he was president and now biden got the most and he is president.  Protesting the constitution and then claiming you have a right to protest under the constitution does not work for me. 

Plus it is going to screw me and it is those "47 million?" that is going to cause it cause this is no different than any election.  In every election, there is usually a backlash and so we go one way hard and than the other way hard to fix what just happened.  Your side has lost the moral high ground and it is unreasonable to expect that the other side will not look at whatever they do as self defense and have some justification for it.  Due to 911 and fears of the other, I now need to take my birth certificate just to get a drivers license if I ever even want to fly between states.  That of course is just one example of many and I am going nowhere anyway. 

I am old enough to have lost many elections and accepting them and can tell that what is going on now is anti american no matter how many people believe in it.

You can have your views on how elections are run but just cause they are run different to what you believe does not mean that makes them bad.   There has never been and election that bad can not happen in either.  You do have to address things that are going bad but making up what might happen and putting unneeded fixes in is not the answer either.  In the end, having the guy that got the most legitimate votes win is what should happen.

Heck, Arizona legislators are now trying to pass that they get to decide instead of the voters.  That does not seem to be a fix and if you think it could be than I know we probably would not agree.  I lost my license last year at election time and did not even know I had lost it.  It was nice the Mo supreme court (very red state) had knocked down our photo voter id law cause I was able to vote with my car registration and could have used my electric bill.  I see no issue with that just like I see no issue throwing the book at a voter who tries to cheat no matter what side he is going for.

Another thing on those 47 million voters.  They can be my neighbor or relative and I will love them but will not put up with any of them stealing from me no matter how many they are.  They might due to the numbers be able to over power me but that is how it would go cause both sides can have strong feelings but I know what is mine.  Both sides will be better is what is right happens.  You want election reform of some kind, lobby for it but don't make up excuses to steal cause that is what is happening now.  And, no, I do not believe there was some big conspiracy in multiple states and all the courts.  Enough that trump could win.  So on that front, it does not matter how many people believe it cause it is not like when gore was dealing with just one state and very few votes.   A whole bunch more can see the truth.  You got gripes, that is fine, make your gripes.  Your gripes do not give you the right to steal an election.  Just by asking for that makes it questionable of a true belief in america.  This is no matter how many people involved.  Even the people involved are outnumbered just like in real votes.  In the end. what everyone should want is for the right thing to happen.  It is what I want when I lose or win.  I am not quite 60 year old and have not changed in this when I felt good or bad about an outcome.
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Ps being scared of what the other side might do is no excuse to try and over turn elections.  It is fine to use before the votes are cast but not after.
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2021, 09:27:40 am »
On what grounds would you have had him impeached over Ukraine?
In a gangster like manner I think it is called blackmail, do as I ask or suffer the consequences.  Then there is the act of having an unrecorded private meeting with Putin, pressuring officials in Georgia to manufacture votes for him, and finally encouraging an insurrection on our government.  I also believe he should have been impeached for not denouncing white supremacy.
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2021, 10:37:11 am »
"I also believe he should have been impeached for not denouncing white supremacy.""

HA!  HA!  HA!

How about, after Ferguson, Atlanta, Portland, Seattle, and a few others,  impeaching him for not denouncing black supremacy?

Surely you would agree that that had many times more merit.
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2021, 11:10:48 am »
I am not aware of any movement from a black organization that is looking for supremacy only equality guaranteed by the constitution but not yet achieved.
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2021, 11:47:42 am »
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I am not aware of any movement from a black organization that is looking for supremacy only equality guaranteed by the constitution but not yet achieved.

The constitution does not guarantee equality.  It guarantees equal treatment under the law. 

as for black separatist or supremacy, it's pretty fringe...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy

Then there is this and it would be funny except for the job she has.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/01/biden-pick-for-doj-civil-rights-division-wrote-blacks-are-superior-due-to-melanin/
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2021, 11:57:43 am »
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Protesting the constitution and then claiming you have a right to protest under the constitution does not work for me.

Really?  It is a right specifically given IN the constitution.

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Your side has lost the moral high ground and it is unreasonable to expect that the other side will not look at whatever they do as self defense and have some justification for it.  Due to 911 and fears of the other, I now need to take my birth certificate just to get a drivers license if I ever even want to fly between states.  That of course is just one example of many and I am going nowhere anyway.

You got that a bit backward.  While I agree that what was done at the capitol was really bad, it has been the left over the last year that set the standard.  They have excused violence because they said the violent people had a grievance.  You should not be surprised that when some on the right thought they had a grievance they acted in what has become the approved manner.  At least they thought it was approved.  Oops, wrong grievance!

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You can have your views on how elections are run but just cause they are run different to what you believe does not mean that makes them bad.   There has never been and election that bad can not happen in either.  You do have to address things that are going bad but making up what might happen and putting unneeded fixes in is not the answer either.  In the end, having the guy that got the most legitimate votes win is what should happen.

What would be the justification for making changes that make the election less secure?

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being scared of what the other side might do is no excuse to try and over turn elections. 

Believe it or not, I agree with you.  Absent a real crime, the election is what it is.  Too bad the dems didn't realize that when they tried to impeach Trump and alleged no crime.  That didn't make a lot of people real happy to "come together". 

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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2021, 12:05:58 pm »
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In a gangster like manner I think it is called blackmail, do as I ask or suffer the consequences.  Then there is the act of having an unrecorded private meeting with Putin, pressuring officials in Georgia to manufacture votes for him, and finally encouraging an insurrection on our government.  I also believe he should have been impeached for not denouncing white supremacy.

I am just going to assume that you watched the entire trial?

No blackmail was alleged and in fact, the people who testified did not allege that Trump had blackmailed anyone.  There is no law against having a private meeting with anyone, just as there is no law that kept Obama from whispering in Medvedev ear about his flexibility after the electon. Did you listen to the Georgia phone call?  While I will agree it was kind of stupid it did not ask anyone to manufacture votes. 

Can you post the words that encouraged insurrection?

Putting aside the interesting idea that someone should be impeached because of what they failed to say, you are misinformed.

Here is a source that is left-leaning and will correct your misinformation.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/

 
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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2021, 05:37:46 pm »
""I am not aware of any movement from a black organization that is looking for supremacy only equality guaranteed by the constitution but not yet achieved."""

6 HA! HA!s on that one. How many black organizations can you name that would be totally outlawed if the word black was replaced with the word white.
Like naacp. bet, blm, etc. There are dozens. Blacks passed equality years ago.
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2021, 09:28:40 pm »
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an you name that would be totally outlawed if the word black was replaced with the word white.

Reminds me of a couple of conversations I have had over the years.  1st one was with a black co-volunteer who worked for a private social service organization.  She was about as far from a conservative as you can get, at least in her own mind, but we talked about diversity training which was just becoming a thing in agencies and the workplace.  We agreed that things like diversity training did nothing more than divide people along racial and other lines.  It negated the whole "content of character" ideal that MLK talked about. 

The second conversation was with a black lawyer from Oakland.  He was the lawyer for the black police union in the city.  One day we were talking and I asked him if something like a black police union organization wasn't racist?  He laughed and said yes it was. 

The government can't provide for equal beginnings or equal outcome.  By trying to do so with things like affirmative action, the government ensures ineqality.  If the goal is equality of treatment, then a purely merit-based system is the only way to get there.  People are not hired, fired, promoted, or appointed according to anything other than their ability to do a job. 
Whenever you see anyone, especially the government, bragging about the number of X they have, you are looking at a system that has given up equal treatment in favor of box ticking pandering.
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2021, 09:40:03 am »

The government can't provide for equal beginnings or equal outcome.

The government can apply equal rights in the courts and law enforcement, it is harder to do in the workforce because it is subjective.
 
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By trying to do so with things like affirmative action, the government ensures ineqality.

There is truth to this.
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If the goal is equality of treatment, then a purely merit-based system is the only way to get there.

Agreed.
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People are not hired, fired, promoted, or appointed according to anything other than their ability to do a job.

This I totally disagree and it is not limited to race.  As a matter of fact it is more dependent on who you know then the ability to do the job.
I suppose you would have me believe that medical doctors in this country is a result of merit or ability?  Nothing could be further from the truth.
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2021, 09:48:22 am »
How many black organizations can you name that would be totally outlawed if the word black was replaced with the word white.
Like naacp. bet, blm, etc.
All of these organizations came about because of blatant inequality.  None of them are fighting for supremacy.  If there was equality none of them would exist.
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2021, 11:37:40 am »
"All of these organizations came about because of blatant inequality.""
True, in the beginning. Not true for the later ones.

""None of them are fighting for supremacy.""
But the result was still there.

""If there was equality none of them would exist.""
False. Equality was passed long ago, but was ignored and the advancement never even slowed. If anything, it sped up.
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2021, 01:57:03 pm »
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The government can apply equal rights in the courts and law enforcement, it is harder to do in the workforce because it is subjective.
  It can and should.  This is the only role for the government.

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This I totally disagree and it is not limited to race.  As a matter of fact it is more dependent on who you know then the ability to do the job.
I suppose you would have me believe that medical doctors in this country is a result of merit or ability?  Nothing could be further from the truth
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This is what it should be, not what it is.  We do not have a merit-based system.  We have a grievance based system.  Whichever group can convince the government that it is the most oppressed is given the most advantage.  We would like to believe that our doctor got to his or her position because of merit, but if they are one of the "oppressed" there has to be the little thought in the back of our minds that it might have been affirmative action rather than merit that got them there.
  In most cases, it is untrue, and the fact that we have a system that causes doubt is unfair to them.

This is not only a problem in the civilian world.  The military after it was desegregated has been as close to a merit based system as we have come.   It was not without its flaws and issues and yes, some had to work a bit harder to prove they belonged in the job, but still, performance overcame most issues.  about 3 decades ago, that began to change.  It especially changed with women in higher-ranking positions.  The complaint from the idiot congresswomen was that there were not enough women in command and flag positions. 

Enter affirmative action for women in the military.  The result?  Women like Karpinski in command.  That single disaster of command has followed us for years and will for many more to come. 

What the idiot congresswomen did not understand is that there is a difference between being in charge and being a leader.  Women do a fine job of being in charge.  Few are leaders.  Those who are leaders make fine commanders. 
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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2021, 10:18:51 am »
Women do a fine job of being in charge.  Few are leaders.  Those who are leaders make fine commanders.
I find this quite comical.  I have never been it the military but in civilian life I found absolutely no difference between men and woman if you are speaking of a difference between being in charge and being a leader.  What I have found is men are better at managing woman and woman are better at managing men.  You being a woman, I can see where your bias originates. 
The brain capacity or ability of a man vs. a woman is exactly the same.  And there is no difference between all the races.  The only difference is opportunity and that is because of suppression.  Like you say quotas don't make a difference.  The only thing that will make a difference is opportunity.  The nut to crack is to have a system that will give equal opportunity.  I think it starts at the family unit.  Something that is eroding today.  If every human being BELIEVED there was no difference between the abilities of a man or a woman the equality would appear in the workplace, in the military, and in our government.
You yourself do not believe this, so that will propagate into your children, their children and so on.  That is the route cause of racism.  It is learned.  It cannot happen any other way.
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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2021, 10:31:32 am »
Learned, yes, but not by today's living. It is learned by studying the history and accomplishments of all the different countries, nationalities, races, etc. The result being exactly opposite the propaganda you just spit out. All people are not equal.

There will never be equality when all people are not equal. There can only be equal treatment and opportunity. The results will never be equal.
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« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2021, 10:46:54 am »
We would like to believe that our doctor got to his or her position because of merit, but if they are one of the "oppressed" there has to be the little thought in the back of our minds that it might have been affirmative action rather than merit that got them there.
Some do get there on merit and some don't. Not unlike any other occupation.  Do you honestly believe Trump got his degree on merit?
Affirmative action might have given them the opportunity but it can't make up for the oppression the individual endured getting to that point.  Unlike the white man affirmative action does not have the money to waste on one individual to buy their way through medical school.  The individual must be exceptional to make it through.  Now it could happen that the individual came from some wealth and was already a member of the club but that would not be from affirmative action.  That would be know as a black man with white privilege.  Not quite the same as a white man but far and above BLM or affirmative action.
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« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2021, 10:59:27 am »
So what about all the others that are not black or white? Do you recommend just letting them slide through the cracks and die? After all, the left doesn't get a lot of notice and power from them, so why should the left bother talking about them?
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