super dave, are you wintering them in an 8 frame super in PA? My dad is going to try to this year in NY, all of his honey bees are in 8 frames supers. They built up fast but I told him that 2 of them is equal to 1.5 of my 10 frame deeps so frame per frame it is the same speed. But I am just curious how the narrowness will affect the winter cluster up here. Any thoughts? Thanks so much, Country :)