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Eating Raccoons and Preserving Hides
« on: September 01, 2024, 12:54:54 pm »
My sister occasionally shoots raccoons who are getting after her chickens, and she would like to stop wasting the meat and hide.  Anyone have any experience eating raccoons?  What's the best way to cook them?  She is also interested in preserving the hides.  Any experience and tips on that front?       
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2024, 01:13:18 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2024, 02:52:38 pm »
I wouldn't eat a racacacacacoon but you can give it a go. They are so disease prone that in some places, it's illegal to relocate them. Tanning the hides sounds good though. I'd like to hear what yas do.

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Re: Eating Raccoons and Preserving Hides
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2024, 03:08:20 pm »
I wouldn't eat a racacacacacoon but you can give it a go. They are so disease prone that in some places, it's illegal to relocate them.
I really don't think that's a big problem in a rural area like this.  There used to be some old guys who hung out at our farm storm who were coon hunters.  I'd ask them, but unfortunately, they tore down the farm store a few months ago.  :sad:  It's still illegal to relocate them though, but the reason is that raccoons are very territorial and they will usually just return to their original territory or get into fights with the resident raccoons.   
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2024, 09:07:02 pm »
For the hides stretch them dry them, then you need to find a buyer. Problem will be the pelt if before the guard hair and thickness they are not worth much.

As for eating they are kinda greasy and gamey, soaking in buttermilk for 12 hrs kinda but not completely cures this. The meat taste is also affected by what it is eating, EX. fish/crayfish, garbage, or on a better diet of meat and veggies.

I have some recipes from when I was younger, and Ill send them if you pm me and are interested.

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Re: Eating Raccoons and Preserving Hides
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2024, 09:42:48 pm »
She's not looking to sell the pelts, just use them herself.  For what exactly I don't know.  :grin:  I sent you a PM. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2024, 10:09:32 pm »
Well then just because she dried them, dependent on what she wants to do with them they will need salted or tanned.

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2024, 10:55:08 pm »
Daniel Boone thought they made a nice hat   :grin:  although I guess that's more myth than truth...still...
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2024, 11:22:10 pm »
I had one when I was a kid. I always thought Davie Crockett.

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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2024, 11:52:55 pm »
Well, the same actor played both men, so. . .  :grin:
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2024, 12:05:46 am »
She's not looking to sell the pelts, just use them herself.  For what exactly I don't know.  :grin:  I sent you a PM.

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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2024, 06:17:36 am »
They are great fare. Pre cook them in a pressure cooker until fairly tender, then make bread stuffing and line a baking pan. Add the meat to the pan with sweet and white potatoes and carrots, cover all with stuffing and bake until veggies are done. Meat is very dark, nearly black, but very delicious. Pre cooking and the stuffing removes nearly all the grease.
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2024, 09:26:33 am »
When I was a kid everyone I knew went coon hunting.  Many had dogs.  They cooked it every way you cook meat.  A common practice was to bone them and grind it for burger.  They roasted them, boiled them etc.  I seem to remember parboiling being a preliminary to some of these methods, in order to get rid of some of the grease.  I don't remember it being particularly good or bad.  It was just meat.  In most states if you are keeping the hide an eating the meat, you'll need a hunting permit.  If you're just protecting your chickens, in most states you won't need the permit if you don't take the hide and the meat.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2024, 11:41:20 am »
I haven't taken a look at the permits and such yet, but I will be.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2024, 02:26:03 pm »
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I haven't taken a look at the permits and such yet, but I will be.

I tend to ignore those things as long as it is on my own property.  My neighbor was concerned that I might have an issue with it when he was killing skunks and raccoons around his coop.  Your place, not my business, just watch your aim. 
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2024, 02:34:16 pm »
Also, as far as hides, I gave up using salt.  If you don't get around to processing it soon, there are a particular kind of insect that will eat the hide with salt.  With borax they won't do that, plus animals tend to leave it alone with borax.
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2024, 04:30:53 pm »
When I was about 10 years old, I received a set of foot traps for Christmas. First I got an opossum and skin it out and salted it. Then I got a raccoon. That was a bit bigger hide. I skinned and salted it and it smelled pretty bad so I tossed it on the roof to dry.
That night some local dogs smelled it and continued to bark at it sometime after midnight. It was right over my parents bedroom. Dad was not happy the next morning. He asked me where I had put the hide. He made me get rid of it. I threw it up on the school roof. 🫣
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2024, 07:28:30 pm »
When I was about 10 years old, I received a set of foot traps for Christmas. First I got an opossum and skin it out and salted it. Then I got a raccoon. That was a bit bigger hide. I skinned and salted it and it smelled pretty bad so I tossed it on the roof to dry.
That night some local dogs smelled it and continued to bark at it sometime after midnight. It was right over my parents bedroom. Dad was not happy the next morning. He asked me where I had put the hide. He made me get rid of it. I threw it up on the school roof. 🫣
At least it didn?t keep anyone awake at night.
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Hahaha!  That's incredible.  I wonder what that conversation was like between the school administrators.  :cheesy: 

So I looked into the legality of the situation, and in our state, you don't need a license to hunt on your own land, however you are of course still required to follow all the seasons and bag limits.  Any animal caught in the act of property damage is legal to be killed by a landowner at any time, something we already knew.  I couldn't seem to figure out if such animals killed out of season can be kept in our state, so I'll have to do some deeper digging on that, maybe contact the NC Wildlife Resources Commission and ask.  Normally, I'd feel like Kathy, I mean, it's our own property, no one need be the wiser.  But my youngest sister is going to start her apprenticeship as a falconer soon, and she'll be working very closely with a wildlife officer in that process, so we do want to make sure everything is above board here. 

Thanks for all the great tips, everyone!  I'll pass them on to my other sister, and keep them coming if you've got any more!  :happy:   
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2024, 08:39:45 am »
>But my youngest sister is going to start her apprenticeship as a falconer

I always wanted to get and train a red tail hawk, but if I did that, it would make me an Austringer.  After research I realized I just didn't have time for it.  It's a very time consuming process.  Plus a lot of paperwork.
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2024, 11:57:04 am »
After research I realized I just didn't have time for it.  It's a very time consuming process.  Plus a lot of paperwork.
Yeah, it requires a lot of dedication.  She's been learning about it and wanting to do it for a long time, and she just got matched with a sponsor.   

I always wanted to get and train a red tail hawk, but if I did that, it would make me an Austringer. 
So, "austringer" actually refers, typically, to people who fly hawks from the genus Accipiter and red-tails are Buteos.  But the term is a very old one, and the meaning has changed over the years somewhat, and it's not used very frequently anymore.  In modern times, anyone who trains birds of prey for the purpose of hunting with them is called a "falconer", and the bird is called a "falconry bird", regardless of the species.  Her sponsor actually owns a red-tail, and that is one of the birds that is legal for an apprentice to have in our state, so it's quite likely her first bird will be a red-tail.       
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2024, 10:14:46 pm »
Hi Folks,

FYI skinning video. Easy peasy:

https://youtu.be/UuMxm2r4JzA

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Re: Eating Raccoons and Preserving Hides
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2024, 04:32:50 pm »
My sister bought a box trap a couple of weeks ago, and she has caught 3 raccoons and 2 opossums so far.  She has been using this stuff in an orange bottle "Deer Hunter's and Trappers Hide Tanning Formula" to preserve the hides, mostly because it's easy to use, but it's kind of expensive.  Do any of you have a different method you could recommend?
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2024, 05:21:47 pm »
Do a search for "brain tanning". Every animal has enough brains to tan it's hide.
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2024, 06:10:47 pm »
mmm, mmm, possum innards. The best thing about them is...they's just as good the next day.  :cheesy:

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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2024, 06:22:37 pm »
Comparing raccoon meat to possum is like comparing caviar to frog eggs,
or Bass to Carp..
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« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2024, 06:32:38 pm »
Comparing raccoon meat to possum is like comparing caviar to frog eggs,
or Bass to Carp..
I'll gladly accept your assessment, no verification necessary. :cheesy:

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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2024, 06:59:49 pm »
What is fun is watching your new brother-in-law eating his FIRST frog legs when the head comes out of the newspaper it is wrapped in, with entrails following. The look on his face is still vivid in my memory 65 years later.

NO, he did NOT finish the legs.
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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2024, 09:18:26 pm »
We haven't eaten any opossum (yet), but we did crock pot one of the raccoons and it was pretty good. 

Do a search for "brain tanning". Every animal has enough brains to tan it's hide.
Is there any concern with using the brain with raccoons, given that they can carry distemper? 
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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2024, 06:28:59 am »
Research it. I'm not a vet, but I think distemper is so rare and so easily seen, that being struck by lightening would be more of a concern. Also. I think , to be contaminated, the sick animal's saliva must get into a wound in the recipient.
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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2024, 08:56:24 am »
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Here in north Florida, I have seen several raccoons with distemper. They do things like walk right up to you, sleep right out in the open, and of course they have really bad seizures which is why the are exhausted and fall asleep in the open. At first I thought they had rabies because they walk right at you. I think they are really just looking for help. The last one that I dealt with kept coming to me and falling asleep. He would wake up and again try to come to me. I did help him, buried him deep after putting him out of his misery.
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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2024, 09:21:04 am »
Considering the following, iddees suggestion of brain tanning should be of no more concern than skinning and eating when it comes to distemper?

Symptoms: Fever, discharge from the eyes or nose, coughing, lethargy, disorientation, tremors, and seizures

Risk: Puppies under four months and unvaccinated dogs are most at risk

Spread: Airborne transmission and contact with shared surfaces

Prevention: Vaccination is the most effective way to prevent distemper

Treatment: Immediate and aggressive treatment from a vet may help, but neurological symptoms may persist

Other animals: Distemper can also infect raccoons, skunks, foxes, coyotes, ferrets, pandas, wolves, pinnipeds, and some primates

Humans: Distemper does not affect humans

Puppies are given their first distemper vaccines at 8, 12, and 16 weeks of age. After that, adult dogs should receive booster shots every one or three years, depending on the vaccine.
If you suspect your dog has distemper, you should visit your vet immediately.
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« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2024, 12:31:52 pm »
So based on what you guys are saying, and after looking at it myself, it does seem that distemper would be fairly obvious in a raccoon, and healthy-looking individual is likely not in danger of transmitting the disease.  That's good to know.  We do have dogs and cats, so that was the primary concern there. 
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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2024, 01:53:03 pm »
Like I said above, Jim, it is easily seen, and not a danger.
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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2024, 06:36:28 pm »
So based on what you guys are saying, and after looking at it myself, it does seem that distemper would be fairly obvious in a raccoon, and healthy-looking individual is likely not in danger of transmitting the disease.  That's good to know.  We do have dogs and cats, so that was the primary concern there.

If your dogs and cat are vaccinated, you should be OK

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« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2024, 06:52:19 pm »
Our dogs are kinda sorta up to date on vaccinations, but our cat absolutely isn't.     
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« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2024, 07:13:40 pm »
PLEASE, get them ALL up to date. One scratch from a cat that has rabies, although not far along enough to show signs, can give it to a human. There is no cure for it once it sets in on a human.
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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2024, 07:26:48 pm »
Our cat is indoor only, and she has never once tried to get out a door or window, so that's why we don't really worry about it for her.  She hasn't even been to the vet since she was a kitten, and she's 12 years old now.  The dogs are up to date on their rabies, it's the other stuff I'm not 100% sure of.  We usually do the minimum that our vet requires, and she (thankfully) doesn't require much.                         
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« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2024, 07:37:58 pm »
I lost a dog to Parvo. A magnificent German Shepherd. He had been vaccinated and up-to-date on his shots and still contacted Parvo. He was out of one of John Shaws dogs. John ran a navy seals training facility West of me, next to the Mississippi River. Probably from the best bloodlines of German Shepards in the world at that time . Very smart and was easy for me to train . It was a heavy loss to me .
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« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2024, 08:04:13 pm »
Although rare, even house mice can get rabies.
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« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2024, 11:18:55 pm »
PLEASE, get them ALL up to date. One scratch from a cat that has rabies, although not far along enough to show signs, can give it to a human. There is no cure for it once it sets in on a human.


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Re: Eating Raccoons and Preserving Hides
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2024, 10:00:50 am »
Tanning hides isn't really about what you put on them, it's about breaking the grain at that magic point of wetness/dryness where you pull on the hide and turns white instead of slimey gray.  The brains help make it somewhat softer, but so does most any kind of oil.  Waterproofing is usually done by smoking.  The smoke coats the fibers so they don't glue back together when they get wet.  Brains are great if you have some handy.  Put them on when it's still wet and work it in well.
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Re: Eating Raccoons and Preserving Hides
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2024, 10:15:15 am »
Reagan this should cover almost any question your sister may have. Notice the actual tanning is one of the last steps in the process of preserving your hide.

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From Van Dykes  https://www.vandykestaxidermy.com/mobile/Typical-Scenario-for-Tanning-a-Hide.aspx

Typical Scenario for Hide Tanning

These steps can be used for any of the tanning chemicals that Van Dyke's sells, with the exception of Krowtann 2000 or Automatic Tanner methods.

Tanning is not all that difficult to master. It is possible to deviate somewhat from the following, such as time frames, etc. but this may cause results to vary. Do Not omit any steps. This will work on nearly any type of hair on hide from muskrats, to moose. These procedures are the same for tanning a cape to be mounted or a hide that you want to be soft to be used as a rug. (For hair off, a lot of the procedures are the same with the exception that a dehairing step must be performed after the initial fleshing.)
These guidelines are not meant to replace any particular product instructions, but are intended to be used in conjunction with those instructions. The main purpose of this is to clarify some of the finer points needed to produce an acceptably tanned product.

Fleshing
Thoroughly flesh the hide, removing all meat, fat, membrane, etc. Turn the lips, eyes, ears, and nostrils. Do not wash the hide or get it wet at this time. Blood can be absorbed with a towel, but keep the hide dry.

Salting
Salting is one of the most important steps in tanning. Salting is what sets the hair and keeps the hide from decaying.

Lay the hide out flat, flesh side up. Apply a heavy application of non-iodized salt. (This type of salt is commonly known as canning, pickling, or mixing salt.) DO NOT USE ROCK SALT.

Rub the salt into the hide. Do not just pour it on. Make sure to cover the seam area and also around the ears.

If the cape has been tube skinned, turn it over and salt the other side of the cape. Apply a layer of salt to all areas of the flesh side of the hide.

Applying salt on the hair side is not necessary.

After salting, roll the hide up and place on an incline to allow fluids to drain away from the hide.

Wait approximately 12 hours.

Unroll the hide and shake all of the wet salt off.

Apply a new layer of fresh salt to the skin as explained above.

Wait another 12 hours. If after these 12 hours, the skin still appears excessively wet, repeat the salting procedure again.

If after the 2nd 12 hours, the skin appears to be drying, with no more fluid draining from it, it can be hung up across a rack or a 2 x 4 to finish drying.

DO NOT HANG FROM THE NOSE, EARS, OR EYES. It is best to just drape the skin to allow it to finish drying.

Allow to hang and dry for 24 hours.

By this time, if the above steps were followed and completed carefully, the skin should be in a stable state. A stable state is when the skin can be safely left as it is for a period of time, even months, without fear of hair slippage or spoilage.

One word of caution: If the hide is allowed to completely dry, it may be necessary to use a relaxer, (such as McKenzie Relaxer/Degreaser) to relax the hide before pickling.

 

Pickling
The next step will be pickling. There are various chemicals that will work for this. Some are more hazardous than others. Follow the instructions on the one that you decide to use. All pickle agents are acidic in nature, therefore, use of a heavy rubber glove is recommended when using these chemicals.

Always use a plastic or rubber container with a lid. NEVER use any type of metal container. Good recommendations are a plastic trash can, or a Rubbermaid tub.

Due to various factors such as the pH of the water in your area, it is virtually impossible to have one recipe that will work in all locations of the country. Use the instructions on your pickle only as a guideline, making sure to always check the pH, which should be between 1 and 2 on the pH scale. Sometimes it helps to use hot water to dissolve the pickle salt, but make sure you allow it to cool completely before adding the hide.

Make sure you mix enough solution to allow the hide to be completely submerged.

Assuming the hide has only been salted for a few days, you can now add it to the pickle bath. (If the hide has been completely dried hard after having been salted for a length of time, it should be relaxed first. See step 2 above letter ?N?. Follow all of the instructions on the relaxer that you choose.)

Do not allow the hide to float in the mixture. A milk jug, or something similar, filled with water and placed on the hide will remedy this.

Agitate the hide several times over the next 24 hours, making sure the skin is not folded over on itself and that the solution is touching all areas of the hide.

After the first 24 hours, the skin should appear nice and plump. This makes the final shaving much easier.

The term shaving is not meant to be interpreted as shaving the hair. This term is used when describing thinning the actual leather itself.

To be assured of the best results with your tan, the leather of the hide should be shaved to a uniform thickness.

Shaving is also the first step in preventing shrinkage. A thin hide shrinks less than a thick hide.

There are various ways of shaving a hide, but the most effective way is to use a fleshing, or shaving, machine.

After this 24 hour period the hide should be thinned.

When the shaving is complete, verify that the pH is still within the necessary range of 1 to 2 and return the hide to the pickle for a minimum of another 24 hours. 48 hours would be better still.

The hide can potentially be left in the pickle for several more days, or even longer, as long as a pH of 2 or lower is maintained.

To maintain the pH, more crystals or acid can be added, but REMOVE THE HIDE FIRST! Test the pH before returning the hide to the solution.


 
Neutralizing
This is another important step. The ideal pH of a hide for the tan to work well is between 4 and 5. This can be accomplished in one of two ways.

The hide can be removed from the pickle and then sodium bicarbonate can be added to the pickle to raise the pH to the proper level. The hide can then be returned to the solution and allowed to soak for 20 to 30 minutes. Stir a couple of times during this final soak.

The second method can be used if you are planning to reuse the pickle. (Reusing the pickle is done if you have a bigger batch, with multiple hides being done at one time. This is perfectly acceptable as long as the pickle can maintain a pH of 1 to 2. You will need to add more acid as necessary.) You can neutralize in separate container using cold water and sodium bicarbonate to adjust the bath to have a pH of 4 to 5. (If the pH happens to rise above this level, simply add acid, or pickling crystals, to lower it to the right range.)

With either of the above methods, allow the hide to soak for 20-30 minutes, stirring occasionally.

After removing the hide from the neutralizing bath, allow it to drain.

For greasy hides, go on to Step 5.

If the hide appears somewhat dirty now, you can use any of the washing agents sold by Van Dykes, such as Van Clean.

Deodorizer Wash is particularly useful for smelly skins such as antelope, bear, coyote, and fox.

Use only COLD water.

Tumble or towel dry before going to the tanning step.


 
Degreasing
Since these procedures are meant to be used as guidelines for most tanning, we must include an extra step to cover those particularly greasy skins such as bears, beavers, coyotes, raccoons, otters, muskrats, and other types of animals that have greasy skins such as these. These skins have high oil content and unless this oil is removed, many problems could arise. Continual ?greasing out? or odors are examples of these problems.

Note: If the skin has not been fleshed and shaved properly, no degreaser will work correctly.

Draw a cold water bath.

Add a good quality degreasing agent and follow the instructions on the degreaser. One such degreaser is McKenzie Relaxer/Degreaser.

With this solvent, you will add 2 oz of solvent to each gallon of water.

Use enough water so the skin is not crowded in the solution.

Submerge the skin and agitate occasionally for 30 minutes.

After leaving the skin submerged, refer back to the washing and deodorizing steps in #4, letters G, H, & I.


 
Tanning
The following tanning procedure can be used with most of the tans sold by Van Dyke?s. Choosing which tan to use is a matter of personal preference. Two types of tans are; brush on tans (we recommend McKenzie Tan), and soak tans. Both are equally effective but the method of application differs. Follow the instructions on the tan that you have chosen. Regardless of which type of tan you are using, if the skin is to be used as a mount, it can be mounted ?fresh? or right after the tan has penetrated.

Note: Penetration times vary on the type of tan used. For brush on tans, leave overnight. For soak tans, 12-18 hours is sufficient. Refer to the instructions that come with your tanning product.

Another option is used if the skin can not be mounted right away, is to freeze the skin after tanning. Again, allow the tan to penetrate first before freezing the hide. Towel drying the hair is usually advisable before freezing and helps the tanned skin to thaw more quickly when you are ready to mount.

Softening
This procedure is not necessary, and not advisable, if the skin is to be used for a mount. Skins being used for rugs and throws are more desirable if the skin is at least somewhat soft.

Softening is often referred to as breaking. This procedure actually breaks down the fibers in the leather, leaving it soft.

Thin skinned animals such as deer, fox and bobcats are usually fairly easy to break.

One method that works well is to dry the hair thoroughly and hang the hide in a well ventilated area. Watch the skin closely while it is hanging so as not to let it get completely dry.

When the hide is about 80% dry, which is when the hair is not ?wet?, but the skin is still pliable, apply a good quality softening oil, such as McKenzie Leather Oil, to the skin side of the hide.

As the hide begins to dry after the first layer of oil has been applied, stretching the hide should begin.

Stretch the hide in every direction 3-4 times each day.

You should be able to see the hide start to turn white as you stretch it, indicating the fibers in the leather are starting to break.

When the first application of softening oil is about 80% dry, repeat this procedure.

Repeat again, a third and final time.

As the hide dries this final time, stretch and pull it even more frequently.

By this time, the hide should remain soft and pliable.

Note: Heavier hides require even more breaking. Follow steps below for heavier hides.

These hides still require the 3 applications of softening oil but need additional breaking between drying times.

These hides are often broken by using a ?see-saw? motion over the edge of a 2 x 4 to help break it.

Going over the whole skin side of a hide with a belt sander with 60 grit sandpaper will ?dress? the hide giving it a suede finished look.


 
Additional Information on Extremely Heavy Hides
Extremely heavy hides are hides such as beef and buffalo. These are very hard to work with without the proper equipment.

Equipment that is essential to this process is a high quality fleshing machine, for shaving the hide, and an 8? to 10? heavy duty fur drum, for breaking the hide. A standard tumbler is NOT an acceptable substitute for the above mentioned fur drum. Even with this equipment, achieving an acceptable quality product is questionable at best.

If you still plan on attempting this, first of all, GOOD LUCK! This will be a difficult process.

Secondly, be prepared to spend at least 16 hours or longer on the fleshing machine, and even longer on the breaking process.

If you do not have a fleshing machine, it is highly recommended by Van Dykes staff, that you send the hide to a professional tannery.


 
Trouble Shooting

Problem: ?The hair is falling out of my hide!?

Probable Causes:

Improper field care.

Hide was not salted or fleshed properly.

Proper pH levels were not maintained.

Problem: ?My hide has a smell to it?

Probable Causes:

Hide was not properly fleshed.

Hide was not properly degreased, washed, or deodorized.

Problem: ?My hide does not have any stretch or has excess shrinkage.?

Probable Causes:

Hide was not thinned properly.

Hide was not neutralized.

Hide was soaked too long in tanning solution
(This occurs with soak tans more than brush tans)

Problem: ?I can?t get the hide soft.?

Probable Causes:

Hide was not thinned properly.

Hide was left to dry too long without applying softening oil.

Hide was not broken (or, not broken enough).

Problem: ?The hide has hard spots in it?

Probable Causes:

Hide has thick spots that did not get thinned.

Hide got folded over on itself in the pickle or neutralizing bath.

Hide was salt dried hard and not relaxed properly before putting it in the pickle.

Areas were missed in the breaking or oiling application.
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Re: Eating Raccoons and Preserving Hides
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2024, 11:36:53 am »
Thanks for all the info, everybody!  I'll pass it on to my sister. 
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Re: Eating Raccoons and Preserving Hides
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2024, 03:36:51 pm »
Why make tanning a hide that complicated?  It's not.  Of course you have to scrape off all the fat and skin, but other than that you just have to break the grain.  How difficult this is depends on the thickness of the hide.  Small animals like squirrels, rabbits, possums and raccoons are pretty easy.  It's just finding the sweet spot of wetness/dryness.  A deer is tougher, but if you stretch it tight and work it with something that will stretch without poking a hole in it, it's not too bad.  A nice frame to stretch it on and a canoe paddle work well.  A buffalo or a cowhide is a lot tougher.  Scraping them thinner can help both with being able to break the grain and with it's pliability when finished, but it's a lot of work.  Calfskin is much easier.  Putting cooked brains on it before breaking the grain will make it softer.  Smoking will make it waterproof.  Lakota didn't weave.  Everything was made of tanned hides.  Cloths, tipis, blankets etc.  If you need the hair off, soaking in water and ashes (lye) will loosen the hair.  Don't leave it too long. Neutralize with fresh water when done.  The magic formula for tanning a hide is elbow grease.
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