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Offline Caashenb

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reuse of plastic foundation
« on: May 27, 2024, 08:32:45 pm »
I have some plastic foundation that I would like to reuse so I scraped  it down to the top of the plastic cell ridges. I scraped these because they came out of colonies that were poisoned last year. My question is what is the easiest way to clean out the wax that is in the bottom of the plastic sell? Or do you just seal that in by rewaxing? 

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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2024, 08:52:18 pm »
When I have a lot to do, I dip them in a tank of wax that I made from 2 4x4 steel square tubes. I dip half of a sheet at a time.
For just a few, I melt wax and brush it on.
It you put it on a little heavy the wax will coat the old wax.
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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2024, 11:48:14 pm »
If you were from south Louisiana, I'd suggest you get your crayfish pot filled to within 2" of the top boiling in the yard, hold a frame down in it till the wax starts to melt (a matter of seconds ought to do it), pull it out and sling it off in the yard .. flip it over and do the the end. When done with all of them, let the water cool before you dump it and the only wax to clean off the pot will be around the top. about 30 seconds with a scotchbrite or steel wool will fix that.
But since you're further north .. IF .. you have a crayfish pot :cheesy:
btw, I pronounce it craw and spell it cray .. always been a stickler on that count  :wink:

and it might sound like a sacrilege to the pot, but no bags of spice or salt. and the frames don't need purging :cheesy:
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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2024, 07:13:38 am »
If you were from south Louisiana, I'd suggest you get your crayfish pot filled to within 2" of the top boiling in the yard, hold a frame down in it till the wax starts to melt (a matter of seconds ought to do it), pull it out and sling it off in the yard .. flip it over and do the the end. When done with all of them, let the water cool before you dump it and the only wax to clean off the pot will be around the top. about 30 seconds with a scotchbrite or steel wool will fix that.
But since you're further north .. IF .. you have a crayfish pot :cheesy:
btw, I pronounce it craw and spell it cray .. always been a stickler on that count  :wink:

and it might sound like a sacrilege to the pot, but no bags of spice or salt. and the frames don't need purging :cheesy:


I may try that I do not want to use my "craw" fish pot but I have a very large mixing bowl from a Hobart floor mixer. I was thinking of using it to render wax anyway so I may give it a try - thanks


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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2024, 11:31:30 am »
A disclaimer here and appeal to other members

I don't have any plastic foundation, have never tried this and don't know how tough the stuff is heat-wise... warping and such.
Wax melts at 150-ish so it doesn't have to be a rolling boil. If I were to try it, I'd bring the pot to a boil, shut off the gas and hold the frames in at an angle to keep from steaming the fingers.. Plus I'm an amateur cook so my pot isn't tall enough to handle the whole frame at once.

It'd be nice if experienced people here would give an opinion on the heat on plastic foundation before you try it  or test it out on one frame first to make sure it doesn?t hurt the plastic.

I just answered as "What would a redneck do" bounded by what do I have and expect others to have. ..and trying to throw in a little humor  :embarassed:

good luck.... and if you try it and it works, please let us know.
also, welcome to the site .. the rest of the members are way more helpful than me.



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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2024, 09:46:33 pm »
After scraping I normally throw them in a tote, let sit for a season the wax moths help, then I hit them with a pressure washer.

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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2024, 03:09:23 am »
If the hive was poisoned, I would want to remove the residual wax. Plastic foundation does not respond well to heat so that method could be discounted. I?ve been experimenting with the method that Bill mentioned. The wax moth does a great job of cleaning up residual wax, pollen and propolis. If the poison has some impact on the wax moth you have a win, win situation. Leave it stacked up for a season and you will be surprised at how clean the foundation ends up. Under normal circumstances, a scraped plastic foundation sheet can be put back into the hive for the bees to clean up and reshape. There is normally enough residual wax for the bees to get started. This method will only work on a hive that is actively building comb. At any other time, the bees will clean the foundation and then leave it untouched. A newly hived swarm or a hive  building in numbers during a flow will be your best bet.

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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2024, 08:54:29 am »
Jeff  > Florida Bee Rancher< is a member here. In this short video, he shows and tells his simple solution to easily clean your wax foundation. After watching the short clip, I don?t know how it could be any simpler or easier to do than this.

https://youtu.be/rDxLA6MKa3k?si=j8AWXQBpChhsFRQA
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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2024, 02:13:48 pm »
Jeff  > Florida Bee Rancher< is a member here. In this short video, he shows and tells his simple solution to easily clean your wax foundation. After watching the short clip, I don?t know how it could be any simpler or easier to do than this.

https://youtu.be/rDxLA6MKa3k?si=j8AWXQBpChhsFRQA

I wonder if the soaking is necessary.

I've some to clean up.  We'll find out, eh?
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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2024, 02:14:42 pm »
Hi Folks,

I've tried scrubbing and *solar melting*. They seem to me to have a very low warping temperature. Be careful if boiling. I've seen vids of successful pressure washing. IDK.

Also, I very conscientiously tried to clean and re-coat them, just so I could determine what to tell mentees and students, with a brush and also a roller, thick and thin coats. Thisck was better. My bees preferred adjacent foundationless frames.

I have never been lucky with plastic or even Duragilt foundations. I'll get an odd success with either,.... and a lot of failures. I need consistency. :wink:

Perhaps I shouldn't offer the bees a choice.

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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2024, 03:50:26 pm »
>I wonder if the soaking is necessary.

I've some to clean up.  We'll find out, eh?


Good question and one I do not have the answer too.
I will say that Jeff is consistent in 'trying' to find a "better way"  Therefore I have little doubt that he has tried it both ways. Let us know how it works out for you without the soaking please...

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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2024, 04:29:30 pm »
Jeff  > Florida Bee Rancher< is a member here. In this short video, he shows and tells his simple solution to easily clean your wax foundation. After watching the short clip, I don?t know how it could be any simpler or easier to do than this.

https://youtu.be/rDxLA6MKa3k?si=j8AWXQBpChhsFRQA

That is what I think I was looking for easy peasy

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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2024, 04:37:52 pm »
I hope it works as easy as it looks! Let us know please..

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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2024, 06:46:12 pm »
I used to clean plastic foundation that way. The soaking speeds things up considerably. You can do it without soaking but it is very slow. It is a messy job when you have to clean a lot of foundation. Gum boots help but the best thing to wear would be fishing waders as you do get covered in all sorts of rubbish. Old brood foundation is hard to clean due to pollen, wax and propolis build up. Soaking helps to break this gunk down.

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Re: reuse of plastic foundation
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2024, 09:36:19 pm »
Well as said, let the wax moths do their job. Im going to get picky here, the vid didnt actually show a 4 or 5 yr frame. My honest opinion about 6 months.

 

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