Cider's ?safer? gun free home.

[Ben Framed]

FBI agents are trained to be suspicious.  Comey took notes because of the suspicion.  The suspicion was right.  Trump is a gangster with all the corruptions of the swamp.  He came from corruptions, born and bred that way.
Ben a straight shooter tells it like it is but without lying.

You have to enjoy trolling for attention. You can't possibly believe that garbage.

 
I do not know iddee.  There may be something funny going on here!  Brian is a New Yorker himself which just so happens to have recently moved to the big State of Florida. The funny thing is, until this hurricane, I did not realize he was once again such close neighbors with Mr Trump.  Mar-a-Lago  is just a rock throw from ACE. Brian may be secretly working for PT and trolling to keep the public no more the wiser just for fun! 
  

[iddee]

You may be on to something there. He does seem to go past the possible sometimes. Maybe he is working for Trump and just trying to keep it secret.    

[BeeMaster2]

 

[iddee]

Hey, Ace, 7 each killed in Texas and Chicago. 10 more wounded in Chicago, tho. Better gun control laws in Chicago gets a higher count.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-labor-day-weekend-35-shot-7-killed

If gun control worked, Chicago wouldn't have these numbers repeated weekly.

[Acebird]

Walley think of it like alcohol.  If one state or county has laws against it it is hard to control when the other state or county doesn't.  That is why the laws should be constant for each state meaning federal control.
When you do your statistical analysis you should compare countries that have gun control to countries that don't not by city, town or state.

[iddee]

NO, Ace, dry counties don't have 20 times the drunks as wet counties. It's not a comparison. It's a fact. Many more shootings done in gun control areas than in gun available areas, whether cities or just buildings. Many more shootings in buildings that do not allow guns than in ones that do. Many more shootings in cities that don't allow guns than in those that do. Any way you look at it, removing the danger from the shooter makes him more apt to shoot. That's just common logic.

[Ben Framed]

NO, Ace, dry counties don't have 20 times the drunks as wet counties. It's not a comparison. It's a fact. Many more shootings done in gun control areas than in gun available areas, whether cities or just buildings. Many more shootings in buildings that do not allow guns than in ones that do. Many more shootings in cities that don't allow guns than in those that do. Any way you look at it, removing the danger from the shooter makes him more apt to shoot. That's just common logic.

Yep, they do not like being shot back at. That brings to mind the shooter in Texas a few months ago which shot up the church. When an ARMED CITIZEN shot back at him he bugged out! But too late that particular time! An armed citizen had had enough even to the point of hot pursuit and put the killers lights out with his personal, right to own, AR 15.  They KNOW the dangers of an armed HONEST citizen...  So does the communist infiltrators who seek gun control.
Quoting Mao
(All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.)

[Acebird]

Any way you look at it, removing the danger from the shooter makes him more apt to shoot. That's just common logic.

Doesn't seem to be working in FL and TX.  A whack job abandoned by the military has no fear of someone else with a gun.  It is in their training.  All most all mass shooters expect to die in the end and some make sure by doing it themselves.

[iddee]

""All most all mass shooters expect to die in the end and some make sure by doing it themselves.""

After admitting that, how can you possibly blame it on the gun??

That's exactly why you gun controllers don't make sense.

[Kathyp]

We have lots of licencing and registration requirements for driving.  We have laws about how we drive and under what conditions we drive. Even so, we have people who ignore those laws and kill people by not following those laws.

Are all auto drivers to blame for those who break the law?  Should we take cars from all because some break the law?  Should we impose more restrictions on those who do not break the law, because some do and those few kill people? 

Sometimes auto accidents are just accidents.  A moment of distraction or a lack of skill.  Many of those accidents happen to kids between the ages of 15 and 21.  1000s of lives lost and damaged in that driving age group.  Should we change the driving age to 21?  It would save more lives than would be saved by gun control.

This is not and never has been, about saving lives.

[Ben Framed]

""All most all mass shooters expect to die in the end and some make sure by doing it themselves.""

After admitting that, how can you possibly blame it on the gun??

That's exactly why you gun controllers don't make sense.

Good Point Iddee

[CoolBees]

This video has some good points on the topic.

https://youtu.be/F6XTVuUP0Ho

[Ben Framed]

This video has some good points on the topic.

https://youtu.be/F6XTVuUP0Ho

Great video Alan

[Acebird]

After admitting that, how can you possibly blame it on the gun??

Personally I don't blame it on the gun.  I blame it on the gun getting in the wrong hands.  Can you deny that guns are getting in the wrong hands?  So the question is what to do about it besides burying your head in the sand.

[Acebird]

This video has some good points on the topic.

He is right on a lot of points so again, how do you turn it around?  Funny he didn't mention the morality of a country going into another country for 17 years killing people who did nothing to us and do nothing to a country who directly attacked our election process and continues.  How about a president that tells nothing but lies and a segment of the population that says he is doing a good job.  He mentions porn!  And a president that openly admits to his porn addiction.  Yeah, morality you betcha.
Yeah, whole heartily agree that government should not raise children.  Neither should anyone else that is not the parent unless there is no parent.  But today that is not possible when the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

[Kathyp]

Funny he didn't mention the morality of a country going into another country for 17 years killing people who did nothing to us and do nothing to a country who directly attacked our election process and continues.  How about a president that tells nothing but lies and a segment of the population that says he is doing a good job.  He mentions porn!  And a president that openly admits to his porn addiction.  Yeah, morality you betcha.

Or the one who lied repeatedly about his medical plan, and weaponized our intel and other government agencies.  How about the one accused of rape and assault, then doing the intern under the desk? 

Even if your opinion of the current president is correct, we should not have seen any problems before him if he was the issue.

Funny he didn't mention the morality of a country going into another country for 17 years killing people who did nothing to us and do nothing to a country who directly attacked our election process and continues.

I am not sure which country you are talking about, but if it is Afghanistan I will agree with you that we should have been out of there long ago.  I do not agree that there should have been no repercussions for their allowing terrorist training camps.  They were given a choice and they chose wrong.  I still maintain that Iraq was a good move poorly executed, and then throw away by Obama.

Do you think we should attack Russia?  They have been messing in our elections for many decades.  They will continue to do so, as will other countries.  We do the same.  The only thing that is different about this last election is that the left woke up to it.  If it had been important to them earlier, Obama would have done something since this last time happened on his watch.

We might be asking the wrong questions about gun crime.  What makes people commit crimes in the first place.  What keeps people from committing crimes?  What legal and societal controls are we now missing? 

Do we actually have a problem as a % of our population and will any of the proposed new restrictions make a difference?  For instance, if most gun crimes are committed with handguns, why ban types of long guns?

To what extent does the 24/7 press influence both the shooters and our perception of shootings? 

If we don't ask the right questions, we don't get the right answers.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

[iddee]

""So the question is what to do about it besides burying your head in the sand.""

The exact same thing we do about drunk drivers and street racers, which needs to be done first by a long shot.

""Funny he didn't mention the morality of a country going into another country for 17 years killing people who did nothing to us and do nothing to a country who directly attacked our election process and continues.""

Sounds just like a liberal. Blame a 17 year war on a "less than" 3 year president.  If a bit more common sense was shown, maybe this president could get something done besides create another ISIS or such, as the last one did.

[Ben Framed]

This young lady may not agree with the gun grabbers. Reminds me of the old saying, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

https://youtu.be/R624n6b4piE

[Acebird]

create another ISIS or such, as the last one did.

If anyone created an ISIS it would be Bush.  How quickly we forget.  We the US attacked a foreign country and over through its leader, unprovoked.  No war crimes trials were ever initiated.  Amazing how that happened.  Now just suppose the US was a tiny country and China came over and obliterated our capital and replaced our leader.  What sort of underground organizing do you think would occur to get back at China?

[Acebird]

Do you think we should attack Russia?
We shouldn't be denying our own intelligence and playing footsy with its leadere.  We should be doing what we did before.  Financially bankrupting the country until the leader gets replaced.