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Feeling crisp
« on: February 04, 2019, 03:58:04 pm »
Went for a nice walk early this morning. Thoroughly enjoying the season.
Crisp :  cool, fresh, and invigorating.

Here we are in my climate, at our annual one week of the polar vortex dip.  Every year between 2nd week of January and 2nd week of February the dip comes and we will have 3 to 7 days of crispy cold. The deep freeze week. February is absolutely the toughest month on the bees here.  They are stressed by their instinct to begin some brood rearing but are prevented from getting started by the cold weather. If they survive the annual deep week, although demoralized and weakened, they will make it to spring (end of March) and bust the seams of the boxes.

Over hot ginger tea and honey bu the fireplace, I have been enjoying the posts of progress of the southern hives on the upswing.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2019, 04:38:32 pm »
Quote from: TheHoneyPump on February 04, 2019, 03:58:04 pm
Went for a nice walk early this morning. Thoroughly enjoying the season.
Crisp :  cool, fresh, and invigorating.

Here we are in my climate, at our annual one week of the polar vortex dip.  Every year between 2nd week of January and 2nd week of February the dip comes and we will have 3 to 7 days of crispy cold. The deep freeze week. February is absolutely the toughest month on the bees here.  If they survive that week, although weakened, they will make it to spring (end of March).

I have been enjoying the posts of progress of the southern hives on the upswing.

Esh that's pretty cold. AT my place it got down to the teens and snowy. Not really Washington weather
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2019, 05:10:06 pm »
HP: Oh wee, reminds me of my Montana days.  Minus 30 burns exposed skin, just burns on contact.

Here in Arkansas our high is 76F today, low 56F tonight, calm, sunny.  Unusual warm, not typical for this time of year.  In two days, a cold front and freeze which is more normal.

Bees bringing real pollen, very orange of unknown source to me.  Trees are not budding yet.  A quick look at my hives revealed drone brood with good food stores.  I did not look at bottom deeps, still a bit cool.

Seen my first red wasp today, boo hoo.  Vicious stinging critters they are.

Spring is on the way, HP.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2019, 11:15:31 pm »
HP, when do you remove the bees from the bee storage building you showed a few months back?  Do you take bees from building to a given foraging area or is there a transition area for accumulation then to foraging area?
Spring is on it way.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2019, 11:21:17 pm »
Quote from: Stinger13 on February 04, 2019, 11:15:31 pm
HP, when do you remove the bees from the bee storage building you showed a few months back?  Do you take bees from building to a given foraging area or is there a transition area for accumulation then to foraging area?
Spring is on it way.

After St Patrick's day. Usually 1 to 2 weeks later.
Moved to transition areas for assessments and spring work. Moved to outyards end of April.
There is no forage until May.  Willow buds mid of April, Dandelion mid-May, everything else June and into July.  All finished mid-August.
Spring is 8 weeks away.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2019, 12:15:43 am »
Astonishing!  I don't know how either man nor beast nor insect can survive there !!  Amazing!! Thanks for sharing!! I hope your bees fair well and when spring arrives you will be pleased with the results!
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2019, 01:23:43 am »
Well, hive beetle is not a problem. Neither is wax moth.  Everything else persists within each surviving bee colony.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2019, 01:25:22 am »
@THP:

I was wondering: As you have quite an astonishing flow "up there", how much sugar do you need to maintain the hives from mid-august till may?
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2019, 01:37:45 am »
Honey supers are pulled off mid August and bees are left to fill the brood chambers on any remaining flow.  That tapers quickly and ends abruptly at first frost mid September. Each hive is weighed and topped off with syrup in September.

Target for a double deep with cover and base, 165lbs by Oct 15th.
Target for a single deep with cover and base is, until they will take no more, 95-105 lbs at Oct 31.

In 2 weeks from now on a warm day I will go weight some to see what stores levels are left.  I will not be doing any feeding.  Nothing I can nor will I do for them.  The purpose of the weights is only to help forecast what losses I can plan for by end of March.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2019, 01:51:35 am »
don`t you do any feeding in spring? a box full of bees won`t last till May on a box full of syrup?
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 04:28:28 pm »
Quote from: blackforest beekeeper on February 05, 2019, 01:51:35 am
don`t you do any feeding in spring? a box full of bees won`t last till May on a box full of syrup?

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After St Patrick's day. Usually 1 to 2 weeks later.
Moved to transition areas for assessments and spring work. Moved to outyards end of April."

Define my "spring work" as:
 + assessment of each hive for viability
 + Feed: 2lb pollen/protein-sup patty + just enough syrup to keep them going until they fend for themselves.
 + Treatments as indicated by sampling
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2019, 01:40:31 am »
when is ST. Patrick?s day?

btw:
finally a spell of warmer day-time-temps is coming up for my pine-honey-loaded hives. i checked last Sunday in my hobbiest setup and all where at least alive. couldn?t check no further, frosty. nights are still chilly, I think it was -8 or so tonight.
weekend it shall go up to +14 in the warmer parts (not here...). if they get a couple of days for cleansing flight, I will give them another OAV and check on them.

The cold/cool spell with snow and frost has lasted now quite a while. Usually there are warm spells every now and again (the last decade anyhow), where they can fly and poop at least. made me a bit anxious lately so I couldn?t decide wether I will be going for lots of honey 2019 or have to re-build....
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2019, 10:21:48 pm »
St Patrick?s day is March 17.
It is STILL steady winter at near constant -22C.    Humph!
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2019, 01:58:46 am »
oo wee!
Sorry to hear that.

We had a cleansing flight. I was at the bees at 15 C! Weatherforcast sees rather mild weather for the coming couple weeks. not quite as warm and frosts at night. but still.
two hands of capped brood on some frames. even in the black forest I saw capped brood, if less.
around the house the ground is frozen stiff still and a foot of hard-packed snow, but in the sun its quite bearable.
of 75, two dwindled down due to the pine honey poop inside  the hive. the rest is going fine.
if this weather keeps on, we will have lots of nucs to make.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2019, 08:33:53 am »
Quote from: TheHoneyPump on February 18, 2019, 10:21:48 pm
St Patrick?s day is March 17.
It is STILL steady winter at near constant -22C.    Humph!
86F in February in full sun!  I am not going to be able to take August.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2019, 08:43:32 am »
Ace,
Get used to it. What is worse the high humidity will make our high temperatures feel 10 to 15 degrees hotter than they actually are.
It was 81 degrees here yesterday and the bees were bringing in pollen and nectar.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2019, 09:24:14 pm »
Ace, your body will adjust to the heat, slowly as the months go by.  August will be a piece of cake as you adjust to the heat.  Air conditioners are considered in this equation of adjustment.  You will see, you will be just fine in August.

Now consider IF you are sun bathing mid day in August then yes Sir you might toast somewhat.  Lol
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2019, 09:14:39 am »
Van, air conditioning makes it worse.  You go out to eat and it is like being in a meat cooler.  Any store anywhere is a meat cooler.  Why do they do that down here?  The weather is paradise and they turn every closed in space into a meat cooler.  The instant you walk out you think your in a sauna and if you weren't in a cooled space it would feel perfect.  Doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2019, 12:09:07 pm »
I once took a flight from Ohio to Miami beginning of March. Boy, when the doors of the airport opened I thought I`d get a stroke. And was only 17 then.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2019, 04:07:33 pm »
Quote from: TheHoneyPump on February 18, 2019, 10:21:48 pm
St Patrick?s day is March 17.
It is STILL steady winter at near constant -22C.    Humph!

I'm so sorry HP. I hope you get a break soon! That's crazy to be that cold that long - sewer lines and water mains freeze if it stays cold that long. :( I hope all is well, ... and thank you for all your help here in the mean time.

PM me - Book a flight down to Napa's wine country, stay at my house, and get outta the cold for a while ... :)


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... The weather is paradise and they turn every closed in space into a meat cooler.  The instant you walk out you think your in a sauna and if you weren't in a cooled space it would feel perfect.  Doesn't make sense to me.

I've often wondered the same thing Ace - it just don't make any sense.
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2019, 06:03:53 pm »
CoolBee, I can?t speak for HP, but I?ll bet the fella is well prepared for the negative 32F weather.  No biggie.

In Montana, water lines are six ft underground, standard.  I never experienced a frozen water line: heat tape on lines that are sub surface and insulation.  Now in East Texas, yep, I saw frozen, busted water lines.

Today, Wed this is the first bee flying day in over a week: high today 50F, past seven days a high of 38F.  So I walked my Apiary this afternoon,  one dead out: a Sept feral swarm medium size that I tried to save.  Plenty of food, they did not starve as I provided frames of honey and there is currently honey in the hive being robbed out.

My guess is the late season feral swarm was in some kind of trouble and made a last effort to survive by swarming.  Sept a swarm has zero chance of survival in this area as there is little golden rod, nothing blooming.  Had a beautiful bronze colored queen, mut, not typical Italian so I was hoping to save a survivor hive.  Oh well.

Still having cool weather here in N Arkansas, normal.  So I find so pleasing to read of beeks further south with nectar and pollen coming in.  Thank you fellow southern beeks.
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2019, 08:44:10 pm »
I too have been really appreciating the posts of progressive bee activities from the warmer climates.  Some pictures of vibrant colours would be great though!  Nothing but endless white horizon to horizon around here atm.
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2019, 01:58:02 am »
considering a cold climate:

yes, we got a milder form of cold climate, too, in the black forest. Often in shady places last snow melts in May. In our remote valley with quite some shade i usually NOT fire up the oven about 14 days during the year. So even in summer either mornings or evenings or both I light a fire. Last year it was different. Inside the house we usually don?t get much more than 20 C in summer, even if during the day we have +30. One can always find a place to freeze a little.
The house I am sitting in right now has been built in 1700/1701. So water-piping is not frost-secure. These days water-lines are buried deep, so nothing happens. But in the house I gotta be careful.

I hope I can see the climate change happen in my life-time...  :grin:
but... this year the creek hasn`t frozen at all. lowest was about -8C. That is "mild".
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2019, 05:19:26 pm »
BF, your house must have quite the history, 1700, oh my, over 300 years old.  Off subject so I must stop.  You can PM me and learn me the history.
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2019, 07:58:50 pm »
BlackForest?I hope I can see the climate change happen in my life-time... ?

You have seen it, Sir.  This Earth has been warming for the past 10,000 years, slowly.  As the ice recedes in the North, every decade or less a wooly mammoth is discovered, frozen in time 10,000 years ago when elephants roam N. America along with the saber tooth tiger finds.  Data from the river boat captains of the Missouri River since 1800?s indicated accurately ?ice out? which comes earlier each decade on the river.
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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2019, 02:43:55 am »
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BlackForest?I hope I can see the climate change happen in my life-time... ?

You have seen it, Sir.  This Earth has been warming for the past 10,000 years, slowly.  As the ice recedes in the North, every decade or less a wooly mammoth is discovered, frozen in time 10,000 years ago when elephants roam N. America along with the saber tooth tiger finds.  Data from the river boat captains of the Missouri River since 1800?s indicated accurately ?ice out? which comes earlier each decade on the river.

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Yes, I am aware of that. Actually, my believe or notion is, that the human influence on climate is more or less neglible. doesn`t mean we can pollute the world all we want. But the effort on CO2 seems wrong to me. I will send you a short PM.
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Re: Feeling crisp
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2019, 03:31:00 pm »


Tulip Tree, the bees enjoy.  One of the first to bloom, notice the trees are still bare.  At least something is blooming, currently 42F, Friday 2/22, 1:39pm.
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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2019, 11:37:11 am »
Beautiful Stinger.  Thank you!
In the truck this morning.  (moooaan)



Maybe next week! 

https://youtu.be/wkDvqQKGgDA
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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2019, 12:40:10 pm »
 :happy:
Hang in there. At least when the time is right you can get out and enjoy the beautiful weather which is to come, tending to your bees and walking the beautiful meadows as on your description. It won't be much longer now. At least when Spring in your area arrives, nature will be moving in full force, affording you another great season of enjoyment and honey. Thanks for the funny video, Phillip
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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2019, 12:43:27 pm »
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Tulip Tree, the bees enjoy.  One of the first to bloom, notice the trees are still bare.  At least something is blooming, currently 42F, Friday 2/22, 1:39pm.

You are ahead of me as our Tulip Trees have yet to bloom, anxiously waiting.
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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2019, 12:44:22 pm »
good one.

forecast tells of some +20 C where the bees are. Unusual. At least a month too early. I won?t complain, but I gotta feed em.
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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2019, 06:01:42 pm »
Thank you HP: Funny video, worth the click.  Some truth to it, one reason it?s so funny.
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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2019, 07:44:19 pm »
Great video HP. Very funny! :)
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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2019, 07:49:08 pm »
FINALLY!  The cold grasp has slackened. Birds are chirping, bees are flying making a mess of the white landscape. Another 3+ weeks now to any notable amounts of foliage and forage.

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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2019, 08:12:55 pm »
HP:  glad to hear you have a break in the weather with bees flying.



Flowers in the yard, just beginning here in Arkansas.  Bees flying most days, the wild plum is in bloom here, the Red Bud will follow next week then some sort of flowers rotating with continual non stop blooming until June.
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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2019, 09:35:09 pm »
Enjoy Mr Claude. 😊😁
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2019, 09:43:37 pm »
Sure will. It is going to go fast, as always.  I feel like I am way behind already!
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2019, 09:49:56 pm »
One more thing. I bet with the warmer weather after the long cold winter, I bet you are feeling as  cheerful and enthusiastic as a young rutting buck!! Haa haa  😁😁😁
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2019, 11:08:30 pm »
Mr. Claude, congratulations! It's been a rough winter just about everywhere. I'm glad to hear your finally getting some warmth.

BTW - those are some beautiful bee hives! ... recently I had occasion to drive up the central valley of california during the almond pollination season. There's some Ugly bee hive in this world. Yours are 1st-class pretty.  :grin:
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