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Offline Bush_84

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Fat comb
« on: August 09, 2017, 06:37:10 pm »
How does everybody deal with comb that bulges with honey at the top. It drives me nuts when all of a sudden all of my hives have to fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. I typically just wait until spring when they are empty and deal with it. However I still have management goals that require moving combs. His becomes impossible with stupid comb.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 06:52:17 pm »
When you add new/empty frames tighten them up so as the spare space at the side of the box.
We run 7 frames in an 8 box and love fat frames as they uncap without any scratching.

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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2017, 07:22:34 pm »
Usually I ignore it.  Sometimes I take a serrated knife and cut it off.  When it's on PermaComb and Honey Super Cell, I can scrape it down to the plastic without any real damage to the comb.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2017, 07:23:56 pm »
bush
I am still new at it but what I do more times then not is flip the fat ones and shove them against the wall and put the straitest side out.  I move combs around and smash them against each other.  Many time while doing this I may have to remove a frame from the hive body. The bees seem to cut the comb back down to get thier bee space back and in the end over the season, I get pretty nice combs.  I also smash the comb sometimes with what I use as a hive tool.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2017, 08:07:32 pm »
A few years back I put a fat honey frame in my observation hive and it was too close to the glass. I did not realize it until we put the hive back inside. It took the bees two full days to cut it to provide bee space. When they were done, it looked like a laser cut it and the cells looked perfect. It was pretty amazing.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2017, 08:30:43 pm »
@ Michael Bush
The issue of "top heavy" fattened honeycomb during my first venture into
a TBH structure was one factor which had me abandon that design build.
The newest TBH design incorporates some of your concepts in frame sizes(width) Michael. The first of which installed yesterday I am pleased to
report the 'standard' @1 7/8" shows no sign of comb obesity but the problem of no beespace between bar wood remains. The change in design
based on your @1 1/4 (32mm) bar should show results in due course.

One of the huge benefits of not having to make beekeeping "pay" is to have the freedom to try these concepts... maybe for the first time since
boyhood I am really enjoying waltzing with the bees ;-)

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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2017, 08:44:45 pm »
I would have to see a picture.  I use foundation so fat combs don't happen unless I want them to happen by increasing the frame spacing.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2017, 10:25:23 pm »

It happens on foundation also, AB, if you run 9frames in a 10frame box and can be overcome if the frames are pushed up tight as someone else noted.
As it is best practice to run 10/10 for supers it rarely happens, more common is to find uneven finish to a fully drawn comb but most uncappers handle that.
The TBH setup I wrote about appears to run even from top to bottom but it is only a few frames so no real "data" for such a small sample.
I could grab some pix next outing if the text does not compute ;-)

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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 03:25:02 pm »
>I am still new at it but what I do more times then not is flip the fat ones and shove them against the wall and put the straitest side out.  I move combs around and smash them against each other.

I have done that and then had wax moths get in the spot the bees can no longer get to and they make a mess.  So I stopped doing that.

>I would have to see a picture.  I use foundation so fat combs don't happen unless I want them to happen by increasing the frame spacing.

I get it just as often on foundation as foundationless.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2017, 09:00:39 pm »
I've always been hesitant because of the mess but it appears that I can just do whatever to flatten it and the bees will deal with it. I may have to buy a tool box and put all of my stuff in it. At this point I have just jammed everything in my pockets but I'm running out of room!  Serrated knife wouldn't fit. Otherwise the pushing against the wall is another idea.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2017, 09:11:08 pm »
I get it just as often on foundation as foundationless.
Maybe I don't understand the problem.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2017, 12:09:44 am »
I get it just as often on foundation as foundationless.
Maybe I don't understand the problem.

So if you take a frame out of a honey super and evenly space the frames. The result is very wide combs. If bees are given the space they typically do this in my brood combs, but since they only generally store honey at the top the band around the top gets really fat. The combs on the outsides typically do this. If I stick a frame in the brood nest to draw it out I get the same result this time of year.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2017, 12:33:06 am »
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I have done that and then had wax moths get in the spot the bees can no longer get to and they make a mess.  So I stopped doing that.

I haven't noticed that yet but thanks for the heads up, I will have to watch closely.

I have had pretty good luck getting nice stuff by pushing things tight against each other.  I am like bush84 and really only carry my smoker and painters multi tool to the hives and do all kinds of things.  Last time I cut a piece of comb off and then let it sit on the top bars and just smash the frame on top into it till the frame sit correctly.  I don't like when the bees are not really drawing comb and just make little domes of comb but never really finish it or come back to it or tie it in well. 

I am a pretty lazy bee keeper and not smart enough to be so lazy and I have been lucky rather then good that it seems to work out.  I don't want wax moth though.  I do wonder if some of my luck so far is due to the short time that I have had bees in the area and if maby the pest have not grew with the hives like they will eventually.

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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2017, 01:58:20 am »
Acebird wrote; "Maybe I don't understand the problem.."

Could be, or could be an almost obssesive adherance to rule which denies
the "fatcomb" outcome whilst introducing other 'results', again dealt with by more 'rules'?
Run 7/8 or 9/10 in a brood chamber, placing #1 against the wall and spacing all others evenly with #7/#9 against the opposite wall.
The resulting honey band is "fat" on all frames between, as others note.
The problem then is found in mixing (manipulating) those frames with others in other colonies or differing box layouts, again as others have noted the frame/s have to be 'altered' to fit.
The frames do not sit easily in a way that maintains even beespace between the whole face of frames resulting in wonky combs and sometimes whole chunks of comb chewed out leaving significant holes in a frame.
Running 9/10 in all broodchambers I have managed there has never been a bother with "fatcomb" as generally it is the same across all broodchambers - they can be "skinnier" but never "fatter" as the layout is pretty much universal. Interestingly enough, if you put down a "fatcomb" frame adjacent a "normal" brood frame any honey band on the "skinny" frame is built out.
The bees don't make the "fatcomb" fatter.

Running 10/10 in supers produces a finished off capping which is most suitable for a mechanical uncapper (mine), however, having listened to those running 9/10 in supers I can understand the thinking "fatcomb" is best. The thing is, to a man/woman they all uncap manually -  and often surgically remove "indentations" in the face - using up more time and effort in what is already the most tedious time consuming part of extraction (harvesting). If I could devise a jig to automagically remove rogue comb/burr comb/propolis on frame wood I would, eliminating another time consuming tedious part of extraction.

IF I can get an even comb built in the TBH - as per my earlier post - then I will have eliminated the tedious wonky comb uncapping predicted for TBH frames AND the frame wood clean.
More better it will the bees doing the work, not I...  "win win" I reckon ;-)

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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2017, 09:31:31 am »
So if you take a frame out of a honey super and evenly space the frames. The result is very wide combs. If bees are given the space they typically do this in my brood combs, but since they only generally store honey at the top the band around the top gets really fat. The combs on the outsides typically do this. If I stick a frame in the brood nest to draw it out I get the same result this time of year.

Is this not obvious?  Why would you space brood comb wider then what the frame was designed to be and then complain?  Some people who regress bees shave off the combs to space them closer.  The reason for spacing combs wider then normal is to make honey comb wider for uncapping.  I only do that in the top 2 or three boxes because those are the only ones I intend to extract.  I think but don't know for sure that the wider honey comb makes it unappealing for the queen to lay brood in because I never see it even if the comb was used for brood previously.
The bottom line is in my way of thinking a fat comb problem is a self inflected problem.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2017, 01:30:18 pm »
*facepalm* I never said I did that. It was the best way to paint a picture for you. As I said...my outer combs typically do this.  Also when I put an empty frame in the brood nest the adjacent combs will do this. I run 8 frame hives and keep 8 frames in them.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2017, 02:56:57 pm »
I've always seen the widening of brood combs at the top as being a positive feature.  If you focus on the space between brood combs, rather than the combs themselves, you can see that the space generated is rather like the shape of two saucers being placed rim-to-rim, with two bee-spaces existing within the working brood area, and just one bee-space around the top and upper sides - where environmental control is presumably more important than (say) lower down.

That's why it's important to replace combs exactly as they were before removal, that is, as often as possible.  Sometimes this can't be done of course, which is when the problem of 'frame-fit' arises.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2017, 03:51:39 pm »
Lj
I move the combs alot but am starting out with nothing and if I see the combs becoming bad enough and still have some frames that are undrawn, I flip, smash and move around the comb so I still end up with a box I can get in and inspect with out rolling bees trying to pull the first comb.  It seems like when there is not a very strong flow that the bees like to use what they have and do funny things rather then start a new frame.  I do the things that let me stay foundationless with the least amount of work for me and also in a way that I don't have to keep a bunch of rubber bands and cotton string along.  I doubt I am helping the bees much with what I am doing but I also don't do big deep dives in the hive very often.

I hope to get much better at learning what can be lived with and when I am hurting more then helping. 
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2017, 10:01:23 pm »
It seems like when there is not a very strong flow that the bees like to use what they have and do funny things rather then start a new frame.

If there is not a strong flow pull out the empty frames and block the space.  Add frames one at a time when the interior frames are full or fully drawn evenly.  If you give them a whole bunch of space they will work like a teenager with nothing to do.  They will be creative and totally unproductive.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2017, 10:56:05 pm »
Ace, I have no doubt but that you are correct.  I have read michael bushes position that bees do much better when condenced in space that fits thier density.  What I do however is start all bees no matter how small in a ten frame medium and then when they get about 70 percent of that drawn, I and a medium and pull a drawn frame up.  If it is warm enough out, I like pulling a middle brood frame up.  I don't do this cause I don't believe that michael doesn't know more then me but more because it seems to work just good enough for me and seems easier and the small bit of creative work that the bees do does not cause me enough issues to worry about.  I had issues controlling swarming earlier and so now I go the other way and give them more space then is reasonable.  I have a hard time doing a lot extra when the bees are making it with my very small efforts of making it hard on them.

I know you guys are right but have not set up the little infrastructures like follower boards or cutting a peice of foam that fits.  I should but the bees are mostly doing ok in spite of me.   If it is any consulation, I am sure I am doing other things that I would not have to do if I was smart enough. 

So I know I should condence the space sometime and so could do better and maby someday I will do better but have not yet. 

I also have a bunch of 5 frame medium nucs made that I have never used and probly never will if the bees keep surviving when I just throw them in ten frame stuff.

I know I should, I know I should, I know I should but I haven't.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2017, 05:00:14 am »
It's so easy for those of us who've got a system which works (well - most of the time !) to hand out advice, and yet not take into account another person's situation.  For example, this year I've just started using non-standard 8-frame National boxes I've made and haven't inspected them even once - so don't yet know what to expect when I do.

But my other hives are a breeze.  Inspecting Long Hives is simplicity itself: even when they're getting crowded - there's always something right at the back which can be lifted out without any trouble: a frame half-filled with nectar perhaps, or more usually a dummy board.  Once that's out then the frames can be pulled back one at a time.  If I need even more space, then the first substantial comb to be pulled back can be lifted out as well and placed in a holder.  From then on, each comb can be moved away from it's neighbour before being lifted out to be checked. And of course, replacement is simply a reversal of the process.  I don't use a hive tool - never have - I use a large screwdriver instead, and position it vertically between the Hoffman spacers on one side of the frame, and then withdraw it as I push that side into place, leaving a gap at the other side where a few bees always choose that exact moment to inspect the propolis on the Hoffman edge. And so the screwdriver is then placed at that side and the frame finally pushed into position. It's much quicker to do than write about it, and in that way the bees never get crushed.

The vertical hives I use were designed to take eleven frames at 38mm (1.5") spacing, but commercially-made modern frames are now invariably 35mm.  This then leaves a rather awkward gap at one side, as these have effectively become eleven-and-a-half frame hives.  Some folks just live with this, and the burr comb which will result.  But - all it takes is a thin-ish dummy board to take-up the extra space, and the problem is solved.  And that dummy-board can always be lifted-out first at an inspection to provide the space to slide frames backwards before lifting, as with the Long Hives above.

But - I still have those 8-frame boxes to deal with at some point, so I might get a better appreciation later-on of what some of you guys experience ...
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2017, 06:35:25 am »






LJ wrote in part;
"It's so easy for those of us who've got a system which works (well - most of the time !) to hand out advice, "

Indeed so LJ... in fact, to the point of , dare I 'say' it - boring!

Yet folks should bee aware most have got there by falling over at hurdles and so have first-hand experience in respect of what some are newly discovering. To go on and on about a certain situation - and in the final washup after "advice" has been posted - to then post "oh well that is what I do whether I know what I am doing or not" does not really add any value to a thread... aside from noise, I suppose.
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"and yet not take into account another person's situation."

In the context of my comment above, whilst all should apply some empathy
when building advice it is the "red rag to the bull" when it is learned the actual intention to change mode in altering direction does not exist, never did exist - it's a form of "I will not turn right at the red light" attitude when that red light is there for the safety of all road users, bicycle riders included.
As a personal example of flexibilty I cite my effort now to plough through
the whole read of "Sex Determination in Honeybees" as refered to by Van recently. This after ploughing through Doolittle in gaining an understanding
of your views in your situation. Both are darn hard yakka but without that experience I believe it is just comment to judge myself as a lessor person in
not being open to _why_ folks own personal stances.
Along with that the completed effort should allow myself some elbow room in participating in advice streams, positively.



"For example, this year I've just started using non-standard 8-frame National boxes I've made and haven't inspected them even once - so don't yet know what to expect when I do."

Ditto for my TBH 'change', LJ... which has now morphed into a topbar long  and foundationless hive of Lang proportions and narrowed bars.
As yourself I wait on bees to do what they do do as that may well be only proof of viability, despite my best predictive efforts in woodwork ;-)
Another project I have long wanted to tackle is to build swarm traps from bush timber (hollow logs) - equivalent in frame realestate to maybe four Lang deeps it is the adventure that keeps me moving on ;-)

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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2017, 08:28:32 am »
I had issues controlling swarming earlier and so now I go the other way and give them more space then is reasonable.
gww, there is a world of difference between swarm season and a dearth.  I do what you do during the spring when flows are strong and the urge to swarm is strong.  We are over the hump now and even close enough to the second brood expansion for winter prep.  This in not what I call a time for drawing comb but the little buggers have to do something with their wax and it is more like play instead of work.  Some people harvest in the summer, I don't.  In this case you are returning empty combs that need repair but they are fully drawn combs.  If you have fully drawn combs to fill up your box I think you would be OK.  But when you give them empty frames in this time period I think you are just creating work for yourself. IMO
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2017, 10:29:45 am »
Ace
I only have one fall before me that I can look at and so I am not real familure with what to expect.  Last year my hives were really too small to take into winter from what would be recommended for my area.  Last year the bees did add some drawn comb to the second mediums on them in the fall.  This year I have a couple of splits and swarms that are built up like last year and so they still need the chance to build as much comb as possible if we have a fall flow.  I left the supers on the hive with them to give the bigger hives a chance to add if the flow is strong enough and come the end of sept or early oct, I am going to moves some of the drawn comb to the small hives and try to get them to at least two mediums worth of brood and stores cause even though three is the goal, I now know they can live through winter with two.

So I guess I am relieing on at least as good of a flow in fall as last year where the hives that were still trying to establish them selves did build a couple of more good comb.  Last year a single medium did built the second medium to about 70 percent full and filled and I left that on top and the other one drew and filled the second medium to about 30 percent and so I put that on the bottom of the hive to winter on.  Both were just loaded with bees come spring.  I am hoping that the bees do a little work yet and since I am starting out even that little bit gives me an edge on wintering in my mind.

I admit that even in my second year that I am having a hard time knowing for sure when there is forage and when there is not and how to handle space.  I am counting flowers and looking for what the bees seem to be on and trying to learn my area.

Bill
You mention Doolittle being hard to read.  I read Doolittle and had to read it a couple of times to start getting it due to my newness and his writing style.  I will say that I did not find him harder to read then I find most of your post to be.  I have a very hard time trying to get what you are trying to get across in you post but do try hard to get any tidbit that might have value that you write. 

I do think that you were saying that my post was worthless cause not taking advice that was given and saying so had no point.  I look at it a bit differrent then you on that.  Ace has many times given advice and tryed to help me.  I usually like to let him know what I actually do with his advice even if it is not to follow it because I like him to know that I did value his advice enough to believe that he deserves feed back, good or bad, and the possible results that his taking the time to give advice leads to.  I think most that go out of their way to help would like some feed back on the results of thier efforts.  My view is that it allows people to get to know each other better and in a way that is honest enough for them to put a value on how far and how much effort they want to put towards the relationship.  It gives ace the chance to decide things like, wow, I give advice all the time and he never listens so why do I do it, or, he listened to this part but not to that part, or, his reasons for not following my advice make sence or don't make sense and more discussion is needed.  In other words, it gives a chance to some resolutiong of the interaction.

I look at this stuff as an interaction of hopefully friends with good will to each other more then, I just want some one to do it for me.

I learn from ace and value his imput and yours and make those types of post so you guys can decide wether to also value my participation.  I consider it fair courtesy that the guy talking to me deserves to know.

Any way, all is good
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2017, 09:49:13 pm »
gww you have a good attitude and you have every right to pick and choose what advice you want to take.  I will not take offence at anything that you choose to do differently.  My advice if you can call it that is what I determined from my location.  It could be the wrong advice for your location.  For the most part I am only thinking out loud anyway.
You are not alone when it comes to Bill's post.  I struggle also.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2017, 10:20:42 pm »
@gww.
Friend, Doolittle is "hard to read" only beecause of the _language style_ used.
One would need to be familiar with the writings of the Bard and other laureate (pl) of those times to
"get it" on first pass. I do, however my usual practice is to speed read text -a skill learnt long ago - having
to slow to "normal" speed is irritating for myself. Likewise when reading papers littered with latin use
and acronyms unfamiliar to myself.

In contrast I have no problem in absorbing _writing style_ having read what must by now be millions
of bLog/posts from all corners of the globe. I include the pretenders among that lot - the ones that
"bung it on". I know how these posting styles work, believe. For my own part I edit heavily when required
and sometimes pay attention to American spelling, but that is as far as I will go, in accomadation.
And yes, I too take a person's writing style with me as a value judgement. I have no problem getting
your style albeit choosing some time ago to skip most of it. My style is built to have readers think, as
one reader has published. That style is built on the principle of "give a man a fish and you have a job for
life, give that same man a rod and you have a family well fed". There is absolutely no intention on my part to
confuse/befuddle readers, there is no mileage in that pathway.
Did I say I only explain this once?
That beecause implementation of the adage "you can take a horse to water but beewary of making it
drink" is yet another of my Life principles.
That's once :->

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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2017, 12:20:45 am »
Ace
 I just want you to know that I never tell you that I am not going to do something that you advise to rub your nose in it or to show I am smarter cause I do not believe that is the case.  I tell you so you know more about me and how my mind and style works and in the fassion of full discloser cause I value you enough that I think you should know and aslo so you know where the blame lays if I later post of problims I am having.  You will have the bennifit of being able to know that I told him but he did not listen.  I have tried to help people on things I felt I had some value to add and in my view have been left hanging where I didn't know if what I mentioned was considered or even tried and did not work.  If it were tried and did not work, I would like feed back so that I did not continue to spred bad advice and either way "my view" it is nice to have resolution even if the resolution is that my advice was not going to be followed.  If there is enough interaction I might even find out what was done differrent and how that worked and it may be better then what I had suggested.  If we are friends of sorts, I think it is a good way to learn from each other.  I like that micheal seeing what I wrote on smashing the frames together might cause small hive beetle problims. Had I not writen that he would not have been able to respond and I would not have known.  Now that is good learning from each other.  I doubt I stop smashing the frames cause it has worked for me but now know what problims to look for and if I see them, I will have to rethink what I am doing.  I want to help others and not give bad advise and if you see me wrong, I would like you to put a better view out.

I personally like the help I get.

Bill
I don't ask that you read my post if you desire to skip it.  I don't ask you try and change your writing style at all.  I will read it, get what I can from it and what is over my head, I won't get.  I figure that if you have 50 years of bee keeping, that me reading you post even not understanding a bunch, that I will still find some gold here and there.

I figure if you did so well with understanding Doolittles writing style and old english way of comunication it would not equate with me reading it and knowing very little about bees while reading it.  So besides the differring phrasing that might be threw at me, my dissadvantage might be not knowing what he ment when saying things like shook swarm and shake the hive.  So I can understand the words writen but yet not know enough of bee keeping to put the words that I am reading into context of what he is meaning to say.  Reading a couple of times along with other thing will finaly tell me that when he says shake the hive it does not mean pick the hive up and shake it like the words say but that he wants to shake the combs free of bees.

I relize you like to use saying like jesus liked to use perables to get your points across like getting a horse to drink and fishing but unlike jesus doing this to make it simpler for people, I find it harder to for sure get what might be your true intent.

I have no doubt that some of the fault in my understanding what you are trying to say could be my own lack of education.  I joined the army at 17 rather then finnish school.  I have no doubt that spelling and communication are not going to be my strong suite.  I would not default you if you being from a differrent land did not work too hard to make too many allowances.  I wouldn't be the one that says you need to.  I just say when I can't understand to give you a chance if you want (not that you have too) explian furthur.

If you read my stuff and skip over most of it that is you, I do read your stuff and do my best to get what you are trying to say and not what it seems to say to me.

I just say what I say not for agreement or dissagreement but just that it is what I see and is the truth as I see it.  There is no ill will in what I see but more my understanding so far with the hope to learn more.

I will keep reading your post and looking for gold.
Cheers
gww

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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2017, 02:02:03 am »
@gww.
You addressed me directly, I gave you the good grace of a response.
That's all.. no worries, no damage ;-)

FTR....? I don't do "jesus", being I left all that behind at age 16 after an upbringing readying me for theological pursuits.
Subsequent rebellion - on finding I had been fed (for years) a crock of shite - created a committed agnostic to this very day.
The only reflection I have (occasionly) is that brought on by recent revelations which see clergy dragged before Courts
on p3do charges;
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-26/pell-faces-melbourne-court-over-sexual-offence-charges/8741502
 - my question being "what was wrong with me, why didn't I get picked as "special". The only answer I can reach out to is
 I must have been one ugly kid!

What I am guilty of is using metaphors, frequently. Whilst I do hold back with prolific use I have to say it is an Australian
thing, not my owned personal education, being it is just how Aussies' talk. Combined with accinct (dialect) it does sound
like ducks talking. I am aware of it, and as said, do a lot of heavy editing and links for an international audience.


Cheers.

Bill

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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2017, 07:39:35 pm »
I have no doubt that spelling and communication are not going to be my strong suite.

Hmm... but your understanding of people goes far beyond you ability to spell and communicate.  I find this very alarming about people that have a handicap to communicate with normal people.  they have no problem communicating with people that have the same handicap.  Makes me think it is a right brain, left brain thing.  gww you have a lot to contribute to.  Just keep on posting.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2017, 09:03:27 pm »
bill
I don't mind how you talk, I just don't understand it all the time.  It does not upset me.  I might even get better at understanding it. I ask for no changes and wouldn't expect any if I did, it is what it is.
Cheers
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2017, 01:25:32 am »
bill
I don't mind how you talk, I just don't understand it all the time. 
It does not upset me.  I might even get better at understanding it.
I ask for no changes and wouldn't expect any if I did, it is what it is.
Cheers
gww

All good, let's move on.
You own an attitude in your beework which should stand you well were
you to one day mentor another. I steal this line from a thread in another
forum I know you are reading;
"Beekeeping is not easy and newbies need better support than they generally get.".
Whilst apiary management is not rocket science it can be made overly
complicated, so unless -  or until - one pushes the boundaries the KISS
principle along with "allow bees to do what they do" prove safe passage for
all over at least a half dozen seasons. With your attitude you should easily
gather those seasons.

In way of demonstrating "pushing the boundaries" I point you to LJ's thread;
" 'Making Increase' without Splits."
As this manipulation reflects "bee thinking" I can see the concept may well
work, and prove a huge saving for bees in _our_ 'demand' for expansion we
place on _their_ colony. At the very least it should assist those with narrow
windows of time in expansion, considerably so.
I suggest that thread is well worth watching.

Cheerio...

Bill
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2017, 09:52:25 am »
>Maybe I don't understand the problem.

The problem occurs anytime there is honey (not brood) comb and they decide to build it fatter.  Then the comb on the other side of the gap ends up skinnier.  If you were to put the combs out of order they would not fit.  This occurs more in the honey areas than in brood areas, but in brood areas it often happens as well though only at the tops or the edges.  The underlying cause is that honey comb is not a consistent depth while brood comb is.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2017, 10:17:34 am »
Bill
I have been reading LJ's thread.  I just haven't commented cause I couldn't add anything.  I do think sometimes I should make some comment so the person writing knows someone is reading and I thought about it cause I don't want LJ to stop.
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Re: Fat comb
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2017, 11:08:57 pm »
Has anyone else noticed how the 'fat comb' and 'thin honey' threads have been back to back? :)