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Rep. Steve Scalise shot at GOP baseball practice
« on: June 14, 2017, 09:53:35 am »
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/337717-report-shooting-near-congressional-baseball-game-practice-field

House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) is in stable condition after being shot early Wednesday at a baseball practice field in a Washington D.C. suburb, according to multiple reports.

Scalise was one of several people shot at the practice in Alexandria, Va., where it is believed a single gunman fired as many as 50 shots at lawmakers and aides who scrambled for cover.

How much longer can our country tolerate this hate? It comes from both sides, we see the other as enemies, how much more dehumanization of our political opponents can we take?

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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2017, 02:14:09 pm »
If you compare the Tea Party movement to the Resist movement, you'll find no comparison as it relates to violence.

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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2017, 02:18:30 pm »
50 shots doesn't sound like a case of Democrat vs. Republican.  More like a terrorist act by some kind of nut.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2017, 03:23:30 pm »
They guy was motivated by politics. Terrorism is politically motivated.

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2017, 03:26:03 pm »
They guy was motivated by politics. Terrorism is politically motivated.
Or religiously motivated.

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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2017, 11:10:38 pm »
The bottom line is he is a nut with a gun.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2017, 01:20:33 am »
The bottom line is he is a nut with a gun.
A well educated, politically active, small business owner, who took the resist movement to his own logical conclusion. He didn't make it to 66 years of age and own his own business by being a nut.

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2017, 08:19:01 am »
Someone who takes another persons life by use of a gun when that person is not armed and has not shown any aggression is absolutely a nut case.  It doesn't matter how old they are or what they own.  A state of mind can change in a very short period of time.  One can be sane for most of their life and turn crazy overnight simply from chemical changes in the brain.
I wonder if the attitude will change for some republicans on Capital Hill for gun control due to this incident.
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 10:32:11 am »
I doubt any attitudes will change in Congress but you are right that people can flip from sane to crazy fast, often because of a drastic change in life circumstances.

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2017, 10:42:17 am »
The bottom line is he is a nut with a gun.
A well educated, politically active, small business owner, who took the resist movement to his own logical conclusion. He didn't make it to 66 years of age and own his own business by being a nut.
Education and business success do not exclude mental issues. 
"Nut with a gun" is an opinion, not a fact.  That it was premeditated, attempted murder is a fact.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2017, 11:24:56 am »
Maybe the left will rethink their rhetoric.
Let me quote a former Democrat president " If they bring a knife, we'll bring a GUN"

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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2017, 02:14:31 pm »
Maybe the left will rethink their rhetoric.
Not when people keep getting killed for no apparent reason because of the availability of guns.  The hard right and hard left will not change their views but the middle might and that will make a difference to what happens in legislation.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2017, 02:36:57 pm »
Maybe the left will rethink their rhetoric.
Not when people keep getting killed for no apparent reason because of the availability of guns.  The hard right and hard left will not change their views but the middle might and that will make a difference to what happens in legislation.
So let's say in the leftist utopia there were no guns.
Wouldn't your argumant just turn to the availability of big trucks with easy access to quiet mufflers and big engines? It's not the GUN!

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2017, 02:54:48 pm »
""Not when people keep getting killed for no apparent reason because of the availability of guns.""

Anybody who believes the cause of murder is the availability of guns is more of a nut then any shooter.
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2017, 04:01:35 pm »
>Not when people keep getting killed for no apparent reason because of the availability of guns

There has never NOT been an availability of guns in this country.  As the availability of concealed carry has gone up and as gun sales have gone up in the last 20 years crime has plummeted and homicides have now hit a 50 year low.  With those facts, it is pretty difficult to come up with a rational argument that guns are causing crime when the data contradicts that completely.  It would be easy to come to the conclusion that guns are preventing crime, but we don't have enough proof of causation for that.  Though it is easy to do a thought experiment that shows that would be a logical outcome.  Law abiding citizens carrying guns is unlikely to increase crime and likely to be a disincentive for criminals and the statistics would show that as a viable theory since guns have increased and crime has decreased.
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2017, 09:14:50 am »
Maybe the left will rethink their rhetoric.
Not when people keep getting killed for no apparent reason because of the availability of guns.  The hard right and hard left will not change their views but the middle might and that will make a difference to what happens in legislation.

I doubt if hte middle changes that will change the politicians. Our districts are very polarized and the primaries are even more so. The winner of the primaries often are the pre determined winner of the general election in the vast majority of states and districts. The middle would have to get out and vote in primaries to change thing and they don't usually.

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2017, 09:25:05 am »
As far as I am concerned the primaries are a joke.  Money determines who gets on the ballot and who's turn it is within a political party.  Do you believe a vote from the middle had something to do with Trump and Hillary being on the ballot?
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2017, 10:51:54 am »
Scalise wasn't shot because of the availability of a gun, he was shot because of extremist political beliefs, which go hand-in-hand with extremist political rhetoric.
When you have multi-millionaire entertainers, news personalities (won't call them reporters) and politicians calling for violence, up to and including murder, after losing an election (even before the election), then you create the perfect conditions for a situation like the baseball practice shooting. 
It is utter insanity to continue blaming the tool, and not the tool's user!  WAke up!
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2017, 12:44:04 pm »
I don't remember any politician calling for violence or murder.  You keep harping about how it is the person and not the tool.  The whole point of restrictions is to keep the TOOL out of the persons possession.
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2017, 02:00:48 pm »
I don't remember any politician calling for violence or murder.  You keep harping about how it is the person and not the tool.  The whole point of restrictions is to keep the TOOL out of the persons possession.
How's that working out in Chicago?

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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2017, 02:16:08 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2017, 05:30:18 pm »
You serious?  fox news?  First of all he is not a politician and he did not call for violence or murder.  Didn't Trump say hang Hillary?  You think he actually meant to put her on the gallows?
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2017, 06:34:16 pm »
If a Democrat strategist is not a politician, does that mean Karl Rove is not a politician, as well?

I Googled this guy's name and came up with pretty much the same story from another half-dozen sources. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2017, 07:10:46 pm »
""Devine has run for office,""

What do you require to call a person a politician?

"" ?If you want to invite a class war, then you have to expect people to fight back at some point.? The Democratic strategist also wrote on Facebook that he had ?little sympathy? for Scalise because of his lack of support for gun control.""

You are in total denial and in desperate need of professional help.   

And according to your rules, that shouldn't be interpreted as saying you are nuts.   :tongue:
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2017, 05:07:53 pm »
I don't remember any politician calling for violence or murder.  You keep harping about how it is the person and not the tool.  The whole point of restrictions is to keep the TOOL out of the persons possession.
You haven't been paying attention or you're in denial.  A simple google search will pull up dozens of recent quotes of demorat politicians, celebrity millionaire "journalists', actors, comedians and musicians advocating violence against anyone, particularly Trump supporters, that oppose their agenda.  But other people ARE paying attention to those mouths full of violence and hatred, and one of them just shot up a baseball practice.
It is NOT the tool's fault, but the user's. 
Turn blue in the face ranting your dried up old anti-gun rhetoric, it only illustrates the truth better.  And it is flat wrong. 
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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2017, 07:18:28 pm »
I don't remember any politician calling for violence or murder. 

Sadly, they have...

"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida. Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him." -- Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa

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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2017, 10:46:12 pm »
For some reason, I'm reminded of the anarchists and their philosophy.  I know, these people are really the opposites of classical anarchists, because they want an authoritarian government.  But their metods somehow remind me of anarchist methods.  The difference seems to be that they want to tear down, destroy, annihilate any view that differs from their own.  It's like Bolshevics who destroyed all that stood between them and Socialism, which was an idealistic name they gave to their brand of despotism.  Once "Socialism" was in control, the ones in power ruthlessly wiped out all dissent.  Those who advocate for "equality" cannot always be trusted.
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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2017, 03:36:47 pm »
Hi Folks,

I'm sure most of you already know this stuff, but a quick refresher is... well... refreshing. Please click the links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

What was it that Patton said about Rommel? "I read his book"!

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2017, 06:06:44 pm »
That's the Cliff's Notes version of Alinsky's book and gives the highlights pretty well, but I'd suggest actually reading the book -- don't buy it; get it from the library.  The details of his rules will make even a middle-of-the road citizen shudder and a conservative see red.
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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2017, 09:16:41 am »
I don't remember any politician calling for violence or murder. 

Sadly, they have...

"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida. Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him." -- Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa

?What we?ve got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box, and now there?s the momentum to be able to do this.?-- Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va

?They?ve marched, they?ve bled and yes, some of them died. This is hard. Every good thing is. We have done this before. We can do this again.? -- Former AG (for Barack Obama) Loretta Lynch

Please don`t forget Trump on the campain trail - calling for a second amendment solution for Hillary.  Of course he didn`t mean it that way we hope, but then he didn`t clarify it either, and there are nutters out there on both sides.
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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2017, 10:19:30 pm »
If you compare the Tea Party movement to the Resist movement, you'll find no comparison as it relates to violence.
Can't argue with that. What I can't understand is how we have come to this point. What ever happened to the voting booth?

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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2017, 11:19:41 pm »
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What ever happened to the voting booth?

We started handing out trophies to everyone for participation.  Now we have a country full of people who don't understand that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose...if you lose you just play better next time. 

We have a fairly large segment of our population that has come to rely on courts to get what they want when votes don't go the way they like.  They also have no concept of winning or losing or convincing people that what they want is what everyone should want.  Their concept of winning is forcing people into compliance by way of a judge or two. 
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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2017, 08:24:59 am »
What ever happened to the voting booth?

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