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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #160 on: June 16, 2017, 08:30:21 am »
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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #161 on: June 16, 2017, 10:37:46 am »
Keep a'going Ace, you're illustrating my point brilliantly.
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« Reply #162 on: June 17, 2017, 08:58:48 am »
...   Imagine the frontiersmen who cleared the land 400 or more years ago with just a mule or two. 

Don`t forget the slaves...
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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #163 on: June 17, 2017, 09:09:33 am »
Just how many slaves do you think they had here in 1617 and before?
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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #164 on: June 21, 2017, 10:00:17 am »
>Don`t forget the slaves...

In the south only 25% of people had any slaves at all.  In the north it was lower.  Most of the pioneers had none.  Very few had some.  By the time of the homestead act the 13th Amendment had passed.
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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #165 on: June 21, 2017, 10:17:53 am »
>Don`t forget the slaves...

In the south only 25% of people had any slaves at all.  In the north it was lower.  Most of the pioneers had none.  Very few had some.  By the time of the homestead act the 13th Amendment had passed.

In many cases the wives they had were considered slaves and couldn't vote.  Slavery and ownership of a human being goes back to the beginning of the bible.
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« Reply #166 on: June 21, 2017, 03:22:42 pm »
>In many cases the wives they had were considered slaves and couldn't vote.

States granting women the right to vote prior to the 19th Amendment:

Wyoming 1890
Colorado 1893
Utah 1896
Idaho 1896
Washington 1910
California 1911
Arizona 1912
Kansas 1912
Oregon 1912
Montana 1914
Nevada 1914
New York 1917
Michigan 1918
Oklahoma 1918
South Dakota 1918

Full Voting Rights before 19th Amendment and before statehood

Territory of Wyoming 1869
Territory of Utah 1870
Territory of Washington 1883
Territory of Montana 1887
Territory of Alaska 1913

Gained Voting Rights only after the passage of the 19th Amendment in 1920:

Vermont
New Hampshire
Massachusetts
Connecticut
Pennsylvania
New Jersey
Delaware
Maryland
West Virginia
Virginia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Alabama
Florida
Mississippi
Louisiana
Arkansas
Texas
New Mexico
Kentucky

Looks like the pioneers had more respect for their women than back east...
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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #167 on: June 21, 2017, 04:57:24 pm »
There is only one state more east then New York and that is Maine which I don't see listed.

It could be that the cowboys that went west were more desperate because there weren't to many unmarried women that went west.
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« Reply #168 on: June 21, 2017, 11:06:02 pm »
A few years ago I toured the Wadsworth-longfellow home in Portland, Maine, and was floored when the tour guide referred to the slave quarters.  As a Texan, I had grown up  believing Yankees were slave traders, but had kept their own home states squeaky clean of such evils.  I guess a lot of the stuff we learned growing up is total hogwash.
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« Reply #169 on: June 21, 2017, 11:16:34 pm »
There is only one state more east then New York and that is Maine which I don't see listed.

It could be that the cowboys that went west were more desperate because there weren't to many unmarried women that went west.

It may be that the women who went west were in a better bargaining position than their sisters who stayed in the east, but by the time women in the west got the vote they were the daughters and grand-daughters of those who went west and they were often the equals of the men.  I was privileged to know some of those women fifty years ago in New Mexico.  Fern Sawyer, for example, was as shrewd as any man who ever ran a major ranching operation and served with me on a governor's commission.
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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #170 on: June 22, 2017, 12:08:14 am »
There is only one state more east then New York and that is Maine which I don't see listed.

It could be that the cowboys that went west were more desperate because there weren't to many unmarried women that went west.

      I see you've missed all the rest of the New England states east of New York. Oh well


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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #171 on: June 22, 2017, 08:31:35 am »
I see you've missed all the rest of the New England states east of New York.
Which ones are they Jim?
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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #172 on: June 22, 2017, 11:53:16 am »
?Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.?


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Re: Manchester Atrocity
« Reply #173 on: June 22, 2017, 01:15:20 pm »