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Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« on: December 09, 2016, 08:58:51 pm »
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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2016, 10:48:17 pm »
I watched all of the videos. I really likes the Russian Advanced training. I would never be one of those guys that stand in front of the targets.
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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2016, 10:06:53 am »
Even if you don't buy the DVD course I think everyone that thinks the gun is the tool for self defense should watch this presentation.  The reality is buying the gun is the thing that gets you dead thinking you are safe.
http://concealedcarryconfidence.org/concealed-carry-education-on-liability-mindset-training-and-gear/?gclid=CN3gnsnP6dACFcOEswodCXQEaA
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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2016, 11:05:34 am »
Ace, do you think we're all a bunch of cowboys? Just slinging guns around? It was an interesting video, most of which we all already know.

One thing that did catch my eye in the video was this.
Because the lefties scream bloody murder every time a cop shoots someone. And even our leaders in government perpetuate lies. Let's not forget the media. And professional sports teams. . And tell me why cops are dying.

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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2016, 12:14:20 pm »
Ace, do you think we're all a bunch of cowboys? ...And tell me why cops are dying.

I think many people who buy a hand gun for the purpose of personal safety have a false sense of security.
If you followed through the presentation the instructor stated exactly why the officer died.  It had nothing to do with "Lefties".  It has more to do with how you think or not think.  What the brain does when you are under attack.
A police officer is one of those thankless jobs.  Makes you kinda wonder why anyone would want the job.  Unfortunately the job naturally appeals to a cowboy and this is where the trouble exist either by killing the innocent or getting themselves killed.  There is a huge difference between someone that is unarmed and running away and someone with more fire power than you have running at you.
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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2016, 12:18:01 pm »
most of which we all already know.

Yes, the all knowing ... this was mentioned in the presentation also.
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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2016, 12:40:05 pm »
I wasn't speaking to the officer in the video. There is hesitation among officers these days because of "leftie" policies and opinion.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2016, 12:44:22 pm »
I never said I was all knowing. I'm not God. I'm just letting you know that just because every gun owner hasn't watched this video, doesn't mean that they are ill informed.
I don't think you will find, at least anyone on this forum, who felt as though once they bought a weapon they automatically became Rambo. Or even hope they ever need to use said weapon.

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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2016, 12:49:21 pm »
I wasn't speaking to the officer in the video. There is hesitation among officers these days because of "leftie" policies and opinion.

There should be a hesitation.  And if you draw the gun you should fire it not the other way around.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2016, 01:08:53 pm »
I wasn't speaking to the officer in the video. There is hesitation among officers these days because of "leftie" policies and opinion.

There should be a hesitation.  And if you draw the gun you should fire it not the other way around.
That's the problem. They are questioned for every decision they make. Even when they make the correct decision, lies are spread to contradict that action. They can't win. I forget where it happened, but a couple months ago there was an officer who got the snot beat out of him. And he said he didn't draw his weapon and fire for fear of "leftie" reaction.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2016, 01:12:04 pm »
Then why carry the gun?
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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2016, 01:21:43 pm »
Then why carry the gun?
If they had the support they need things would be better.

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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2016, 04:25:54 pm »

Then why carry the gun?

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A police officer in a large metropolitan city, say, Chicago or LA not carry a gun?
You are clearly being unreasonable.

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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2016, 05:07:50 pm »
London?
I am not suggesting police officers not carry a gun but if you are afraid to use it because of "Lefties" you shouldn't.  Personally I don't think a hand gun is worth a darn to a police officer.  The weapon should be specifically designed to incapacitate the target without the high risk of killing them.  It could be chemical or electrical in nature and look nothing like a gun.  As a back up something along the lines of a double barreled shot gun in wallop that could deliver three rounds is what should be in the hands of a second officer.  No need to have a long barrel.  A cop should never approach a suspect that is armed alone.  All he needs to do is a take a high quality photo of the situation and retreat until he gets back up.
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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2016, 06:24:40 pm »
Suspect?  What suspect?  Here, if you call the police, two cops (they are two to a car now) arrive two hours later to take a report.  That way there is no suspect.  They don't make many traffic stops anymore.  That way they don't inadvertently encounter somebody who might become a suspect.

I understand this is the situation in a lot of cities now.  They are afraid of being targets -- of critics who want to be safe but don't want cops killing people while defending them and themselves and by bad guys who are stalking cops.  If the cops just drive around, put in their time on the shift and then go home, they do get to go home.
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2016, 08:09:51 pm »
Why should the person threatening an officer with deadly force, not be treated to the same, if not harsher treatment? They have it hard enough. Now you put it in the back of their mind that they will be convicted before any facts are known.
How bout the bad guys get a message from the media and the "lefties" that they aren't welcome, and they will end up 6' under if they pull their crap. Then just maybe some will get it through their thick skulls.
5 officers were killed in Dallas by a guy who just so happened to subscribe to the Black lives matter garbage and didn't really see anything wrong with taking fathers away from their kids!

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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2016, 08:49:36 pm »
Why should the person threatening an officer with deadly force, not be treated to the same, if not harsher treatment?

Why should the cop be the judge and jury?  You all got hyped up on how you needed your guns to protect yourself from the government.  Cops are government.  So now you want government or you don't want government?  Which is it?  Did you watch the dash cam?  The cop threatened the person with a gun first so according to your logic he had a right to kill him.  Is that how you want it?  I am sure a lot of black people would be OK with that.
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2016, 09:09:37 pm »
Watch the actual video and tell me who threatened who. Don't t be so quick to believe everything you see, or worse yet what you don't want to see.

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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2016, 08:47:42 am »
You don't see that the cops gun was drawn all the while he was barking orders at him?  You don't see that he escalated the situation into a gun fight?  You don't see where the cop could have taken him down and cuffed him when he was unarmed?  You don't see where the cop was wrong and put way to much faith in his hand gun to protect himself?  On the shooting range he could have shot the man 4 times in the head at that distance.  He was that good on the range.  Not so good when the target shoots back.
I guess you see what you want to see.

View the whole presentation not just the video clip.  The instructor points out the weaknesses.  You can hear it in the voice of the cop when the rifle comes into play.  And it is why I suggest anyone planning on getting a hand gun for protection view the whole presentation first so you know what you are getting into.

This cop didn't need to die.

We have thousands and thousands of men and women coming back from senseless wars like Vietnam diagnosed with mental trauma.  As they get to be the age of this old man things get worse.  Wars teach humans to kill each other.  Very few problems are solved with bullets.  Many times that is all it takes is a cowboy to flash his gun in the face of another man to set the scene rolling.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2016, 11:03:04 am »
So it's the cops fault that he died? That's disgusting. Driving is a privilege not a right. When an officer tells you, or even yells at you (oh no might hurt his feelings and cause him to shoot) to step out of a vehicle, you comply. You don't run towards him. The officers gun is holstered on his right hip. Only after the subject CHARGES at the officer, does he draw his weapon.
Again I point out the obvious that you only see the things that bolster your world view.  I did view the whole presentation. No where in it did it say the bad guy would act rationally, in fact quite the opposite. And maybe the officer knew that from experience. Nor did it say that an officer of the law shouldn't draw his weapon drawn to protect himself.
Again it's not the guns fault the guy shot the cop. Nor is it the cops fault. I don't care what the reasoning of the bad guy is. Be it just being an ass in general, or ptsd, or whatever.
Ace, wars and aggression have happened since the beginning of time. You will never remove that from existence no matter how much NPR you make them listen to.
Could the officer handled the situation differently, maybe. There's probably a thousand different ways, but you will never know what the outcome would have been. That's just speculation. Should the officer have shot the subject as soon as he had his hand on the weapon? Back then it probably would have been justified. (It should still be today) but everyone from our beloved president ( remember how the cops acted STUPIDLY)
To the attorney general (investigating police agencies every time there's a shooting) to our legislators (hands up don't shoot) to the media (deleting the part where the 911 operator asked George Zimmerman what race the subject was) how do you think the officers will react?! I'd suggest to you that all the combat training in the world and practicing till muscle memory is all you have. Will never be enough when to save a cops life when nearly half the country (lefties) question the motives of every officer.

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Re: Instructor Zero (shooting clip)
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2016, 04:46:11 am »
I have said for a long time that just buying a gun is not a home defense. You need to be well trained to use it. As far as cops go... police are just like other professionals. Some are good some are bad. The difference is that they have power. Bad cops have made the job a lot more dangerous for good cops. Yes some cop shootings have been totally unnecessary. Others have been justified. The media has not helped anything either.

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2016, 11:21:20 am »
I'm afraid it's fixing to be a free for all in this country. We had a cop here that was charged with murder. He was chasing a burgler suspect who turned and came at him with a pipe.
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2016, 12:05:47 pm »
I'm afraid it's fixing to be a free for all in this country. We had a cop here that was charged with murder. He was chasing a burgler suspect who turned and came at him with a pipe.
And that's the left preaching tolerance and social justice, which will push the country over that point.

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2016, 12:39:22 pm »
Bad cops have made the job a lot more dangerous for good cops.

There is a lot of reality to your statement.  However I wouldn't necessarily say the cop that died in the video was bad.  I would say he was very improperly trained.
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2016, 04:57:06 pm »
I think the media and our wonderful president have made it harder than the bad apples in the bunch.