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HONEYBEE REMOVAL / Re: Expensive Issue
« Last post by animal on Today at 10:45:26 am »
I hesitate to even say that. Sometimes people run into something that they're just not familiar with and the customer wants everything to be like original when the job is finished.
Hack a hole in sheetrock, who cares? The stuff is 15 bucks a sheet and super-easy to cut, but plaster is different. To start with, if you're not holding the saw right and the blade hangs on a piece of lathe, a small hole to repair can turn into one running several feet to the side. 
Moulding was much more elaborate and made of better materials back then. All natural materials were better back then. A lot of older trim, you just can't get anymore and have to make it from scratch.
Usually the price of a job getting blown out of proportion isn't due to one thing, but a series of unforeseen things, each costing more and adding up.
You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've run into over the years, though. There was one that the owner had some plumbing work done on an older building and the pipes were run through the ceiling. He called me after the plumbers were done and I wish he had called me first. Multiple-step built-up crown moulding with 3 rows of dentiling and around a foot wide ... was pretty much destroyed along one wall. A lot of embossed copper ceiling tiles ripped down all across the ceiling. Plumbers were told to tear out what they had to and fix the pipes, so they did. It wasn't their fault, they did what they were told. The owner was fine with what they had done until he heard my price, threw a fit and said he was gonna get someone else... so I thanked him and left. 6 months later I was fixing it after redoing the estimate and the cost was a little higher. Had another job on a 7 foot by 10 foot room, 12 foot ceilings that had over 10,000 in damages from a tiny leak in the roof and it didn't look that bad at a glance. It was a butler's pantry of a Victorian, so you can think of the room as one huge piece of walnut furniture and the price included resoldering a seam on a copper roof. Those two examples are exceedingly rare and the most extreme ones I can think of over the last 35 years or so, but you just never know what you're gonna run into.

There are also the "special" customers that get charged more. Think of it as a service charge for dealing with their attitude, if you will. I've as much as quadrupled an estimate based on "likely problems foreseen dealing with THAT person" and still gotten the job... even after telling her I knew my price was extremely high and it was because I didn't want to do the job, giving glowing recommendations for my competition that she had also gotten estimates from and were about a quarter of my price. Whatcha gonna do? If they insist, take the money. And nope, I don't feel guilty about it :cheesy:
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Swarm Catching
« Last post by cao on Today at 10:12:15 am »
Not to be disagree with Beesnweeds post but I like a trap around my hives for a couple of reasons.  I have one in my back yard and I do not see bees looking for resource very often but when I do see a bee around it, the first thing I do is walk down to my hives and look in the trees.  I have hived at least three of my own before they even picked a home using this.

Been there, done that.  At least 5 of mine were caught that way this year.  The only difference is I have a stack of empty boxes that are getting ready to be put on hives instead of a swarm trap. 

Trapping swarms is like fishing, the more hooks in the water the more chances to catch one.  But there are days that the fish aren't biting no matter what you do.
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Swarm Catching
« Last post by Ben Framed on Today at 09:50:29 am »
It?s hit or miss. Beesnweeds is right but so are you all. My point is, don?t be disappointed Terri if they decide otherwise. Father Michael posted regularly about his optimism of catching his own swarm via the swarm trap method. He was disappointed. After all the high hopes his swarm from his hive, went another direction. I hope you are successful in your perseverance .

Gww, I left a dead out in place just for this specific reason. Just this week I had a swarm enter. It?s good to have a trap close but it?s good to have some far away as well, for those who are serious about seeking swarm catches with swarm traps. In that I agree with beesnweeds also. Jeff Horcroff, a serious bee trapper, has traps as far as 40 miles from his place.

For the serious bee trapper; as I have mentioned before, a location where a cutout has been done is the ideal place for swarm traps in my opinion. Good luck! I am rooting for you!

Phillip
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HUMOR IS A FUNNY THING / Re: I viewed a meme
« Last post by Salvo on Today at 08:41:49 am »
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Swarm Catching
« Last post by BeeMaster2 on Today at 08:02:40 am »
Terri,
Here is a picture of a swarm that moved into a stack of 5 empty medium supers that I put one old drawn frame in with 9 foundation less for frames. I took the hive apart 10 days after they moved in. The 10 frames were fully and perfectly drawn and the cross comb was at least 12 inches deep. I cut the comb and put them in medium frames with rubber bands holding them in place. Three pieces of comb were already cut out.
Jim Altmiller
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Swarm Catching
« Last post by BeeMaster2 on Today at 07:46:32 am »
Terri,
I keep swarm traps near my apiary, especially very large swarm traps. I usually catch very large swarms and have watched and videoed several of them come in from afar. This year I did catch a swarm from my largest hive.
Keep trying.
Jim Altmiller
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Swarm Catching
« Last post by Terri Yaki on Today at 06:42:02 am »
I obviously have no experience of my own to run with but I do have my thoughts. 1) Swarms have landed on my neighbor?s apple trees multiple times so I do have other bees around that are looking for homes 2) my trap is about 1/2 mile from the hives right down the road and 3) it?s over a mile from the hives in the other direction and those are just the hives that I know about. I suspect that at least some of those swarms have come from that closest apiary.
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HUMOR IS A FUNNY THING / Re: I viewed a meme
« Last post by Terri Yaki on Today at 06:32:30 am »
AJ is nothing but a MEME opportunity. Kamala Harris is fortunate that he is such a good target.
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HUMOR IS A FUNNY THING / Re: I viewed a meme
« Last post by gww on Today at 01:51:06 am »
Well, we have seen what kfc does to the brain and so know ice cream must be an improvement.
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GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. / Re: Swarm Catching
« Last post by gww on Today at 01:48:47 am »
Not to be disagree with Beesnweeds post but I like a trap around my hives for a couple of reasons.  I have one in my back yard and I do not see bees looking for resource very often but when I do see a bee around it, the first thing I do is walk down to my hives and look in the trees.  I have hived at least three of my own before they even picked a home using this.  There are studies that say most bees move away from their home hive a ways on average.
I have a theory though that hives from others like to come to where there are already hives.  I had two dead outs filled this way last year.  Most times except rare occasions of one or two bees, if I see bees at a trap, somebody is looking for a home.  Bees most time if you don't put something sweet in the trap could care less about but get very interested when looking for a home.  I do know that my swarms from my hives will look at a close trap and I have never given them a chance to move in cause I find them and shake them but it is the looking at the trap that tips me off to do that.  The ones that leave a hive very seldom go very far when they first come out.  Mine all land in two cedars that are the closest thing.  Some people set up a Russian scion based on this fact and old early bee books advised setting up fake branches if nothing was close.
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