Experience bee keeper reacts to bee sting.

[Van, Arkansas, USA]

I received one bee sting this AM and I am reacting to the venom.  A local reaction, NOT anaphylactic shock.  I was stung on my middle finger, after a minute, I removed the stinger being careful not to squeeze the venom sack.  I have been stung throughout my entire life, many times, not just honey bees but also wasp, hornets, Scorpions, asp, catapillers, even a jelly fish and I showed only minor reaction to all stings except the jelly fish.  Jelly fish produces an encridible pain, beware.

Typically a bee sting hurts a few minutes, then after 45 minutes the sting is unremarkable, that is: no redness or swelling.  However, now I am in my 60's and for reasons unknown I am reacting to honey bee venom.  In detail NOW;
     My finger is swollen, hot, numb, hard to bend, my entire palm itches and I can feel the venom as it spreads threw my hand.  The back of my hand is turning red, itching while the redness and itch is beginning to radiate up my arm.  Keep in mind, a year ago this sting would be a very minor thing.

I took prednisone as prescribed and this is helping, limiting the redness and itch is now limited to my entire hand, not my arm. I did not take predisone immediately because some stings are only minor.  I never know if I will react or not.  When the redness started to go up my arm, that's when I took the med.

I remember, just last year, 2016, I received 3 stings from a yellow jacket there were no issues.  However, I also received 5 stings at the same time from honey bees last year.  Four stings were unremarkable, the fifth sting, on my ankle reacted horribly.  My entire foot swelled with unbelievable pain,  I could barely walk and that was my first reaction to a bee sting.  So I talked with my doctor who prescribed the prednisone.  The doctor informed me that there are reactor areas, hands, feet and face that are more likely to react than other parts of the body.

The question of "why now do I react" is not known.  What is known is sometimes I violently react and other times there are no issues with bee stings.  What I do know, I am not giving up my bees and my hand has an insane itch at the moment.

I would like to know if other beeks have a similar experience with sudden reaction to bee stings after over half a century of no issues.
Blessings

[Dallasbeek]

It seems to me that when I'm stung on a bony area, the reaction is BAD, but when the sting is in a fleshy area, not so bad.  I think it's because the venom has no place to go except along the bone -- forehead (oh, my-- stay home 3 or 4 days), fingers, etc.  Just my thought on it.

[little john]

The doctor informed me that there are reactor areas, hands, feet and face that are more likely to react than other parts of the body.

What is known is sometimes I violently react and other times there are no issues with bee stings. 

... my hand has an insane itch at the moment.

Hi Van - I've clipped your post to focus on just the above ...

Your doctor is spot-on.  I wish somebody had told me about 'reactor areas', as I've been thinking I'm a tad weird in this regard - 'cause I can take a sting on the legs or torso - with no reaction worth speaking of.  Face, ears etc react moderately - but my hands really swell like crazy, even after all these years.  The swelling just never seems to get any better.

But luckily, the itching which used to drive me nuts, is no longer a problem.  It used to drive me crazy, and even prevent me from sleeping - but thankfully those days are long gone.

What I used to do to tackle the itching was use an ice cold compress - bags of frozen peas straight from the freezer - but the relief was always very short-lived.  Then someone advised me to do completely the opposite: to take a face flannel and dip it in hot water - as hot as possible, short of scalding oneself - and apply that as a hot compress. 

Magic !  One or two applications and I could get 4 or 5 hours of uninterrupted sleep without any itching.  30 seconds in the microwave, and the wet flannel was good to go again.  That was a great tip.  Totally counter-intuitive.  I guess it works by flooding the area with a fresh blood supply to help wash the venom away from the localised area.  Certainly NOT to be recommended if there's even a hint of respiratory distress of course - only to alleviate the itching from an otherwise modest reaction.

'best
LJ

[Acebird]

Chemistry is such a complex subject.  Are you menstruating?

Just trying to get you to laugh about it. :-)

[Van, Arkansas, USA]

Acebird, you are funny, yes I laughed.  That's a good one!

You could have made fun of me for messing with my bees without faceveil or even gloves.  I had no protection.  Ok, I know better, I deserved a sting to remind me to be more respectful of the bees.
Blessings

[Kathyp]

Prednisone has its uses, but in this case an antihistamine should be the first choice unless you can't take one for some reason.  I keep multiple bottles of liquid Benedryl around and take a swig when I get stung because I have huge reactions no matter what. Because it's low dose you don't have to worry about measuring it out.    The stuff is cheap and often found in the dollar store.  Claritin or the generic = can be taken before removals, etc. when you know you are probably going to get stung and don't want to drive home sleepy.   

[Acebird]

Kathy, my wife use to take antihistamines all the time for her allergies and then she found out they cause dementia and alzheimer's.  Every time she forgets something I ask her if she wants another benadryl.  Every pill you take gets absorbed in the blood stream and passes through the brain.  No way to avoid that.  Modern medicine is all good except for the last 4-6 years in the nursing home babbling like a loon.
The problem with Van's reaction is that he didn't know he would have such a reaction not having one before.  The other thing he didn't or doesn't know is if the reaction was a bacterial infection which means he should have put an antibiotic on the sting site.
Van said the stinger was in for a minute.  In three seconds the venom sac is empty no need to be dainty about getting the stinger out.  The longer it stays in the more apt to get bacteria under the skin.  Get it out as fast as you can.  Suck on it and squeeze it to get any fluid to come to the surface and if you start to swell put an antibiotic on it.  Some will chew up plantain and rub that on the sting.  It has been known to relieve the itch.

[tjc1]

Your reaction describes mine to a T. The second time, I thought I was going to have to give up beekeeping - then I decided I just needed to reduce the chance of getting stung - SO I got a full suit and force myself to always put it on if I am going into a hive. I often feel stupid and cowardly, but mostly I make myself do it! The other thing is that I keep a bottle of the liquid benedryl handy and take a dose if I do get stung (rare) and I have avoided the big swell and itch routine as a result - though it really does knock me out for the rest of the day... Hearing about the dementia connection is greater incentive to always suit up!

[Kathyp]

Kathy, my wife use to take antihistamines all the time for her allergies and then she found out they cause dementia and alzheimer's.  Every time she forgets something I ask her if she wants another benadryl.  Every pill you take gets absorbed in the blood stream and passes through the brain.  No way to avoid that.  Modern medicine is all good except for the last 4-6 years in the nursing home babbling like a loon.

. Hearing about the dementia connection is greater incentive to always suit up!

The dementia connection is somewhat tenuous and had to do with the frequent and long-term use.  When you are stung and you begin to have a reaction, take the stuff.  You never know when a reaction will stop.  I know I will have a reaction if I am stung so I take it as soon as I am stung or if I know I am doing something that ups the odds of getting stung.
Of course, not getting stung in the first place is good!   

[UrbisAgricola]

My general understanding is that you can develop allergies and you can get over them.  But, just my experience: I can get stung all over the place and it is no problem, but if I get stung in the hands or feet it basically is going to be an ordeal.  Most of the time a sting in the foot it will swell and get painful until it gets to the point I won't be walking for a day.  I just avoid getting stung there and am careful about protecting myself.  Hope that helps.

[BeeMaster2]

It seems to me that when you get stung in a part of the body that you haven't been stung before or not in a long time, you get more of a reaction than you do in other areas that receive lots of stings.
Maybe it has something to do with the glands that protect the different parts of the body.
Jim

[Michael Bush]

It's hard to find a pattern in venom reactions.  I've been stung on the leg many times and twice my leg swelled up.  I've been stung on the hands many times and they have never swelled up.  I got stung behind the ear once and it left a knot there for a year or more...

[Van, Arkansas, USA]

Today, 01/28/18, another sting right on the nose, conditions: sunny, calm, 60F, all hives flying.

VERY LITTLE REACTION this time.  I was just observing all my hives, standing or sitting inches from each bee entrance and this one bee decided I was a threat.

Being stung for over 60 years,,,,,, now a days, sometimes, not often, I react seriously and most other times, like today I have little reaction.  I would figure the nose, right above the lip, to be a sensitive reactive area, however I am delighted to text, very little reaction.

Stinger was in for a good minute or two,,,, YOU try to remove a stinger from your nose without a mirror.  My neighbors probably are still laughing. 

Anyway, I have no explanation as to why I occasionally react while most other times I do not react.
Blessings

[BeeMaster2]

Van,
You didn't ask your buddy to pick it out. 😳

[Acebird]

Anyway, I have no explanation as to why I occasionally react while most other times I do not react.

That darn bio-chemistry ... you just can't trust that science.

[tjc1]

Van,
You didn't ask your buddy to pick it out. 😳

Now Sawdustmkr, you well know that "You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose"!

[JackM]

This is because you are developing a 'sensitivity' to bee venom.  You may want to talk to your doctor before you have a full anaphylactic reaction.

[bwallace23350]

My reactions are pretty consistent. After about 15 minutes I struggle to find the spot and this is even on my hands. You say you are over 60 now. I wonder if age has something to do with it.

I am like you with wasps though. If I get hit on the hands or face I swell anywhere else not so much. But I don't get stung by them every year more like every other year and probably only one that year I get stung. On a big year maybe twice but still it is not every  year.

[Hops Brewster]

I have had hive sessions where I was stung several times in fleshy parts and the worst part of the reaction was over in a matter of minutes.  Then there are the times I've been stung only once on a wrist or back of the hand and my hand swells up all the way to the elbow, similar to  Van's experience.  I can follow the flow  of the venom up through my arm, following what I believe to be the blood veins.  Then a day or so later, the itching is horrendous.

Location, location, location.

[bwallace23350]

My stings react better 3 years in than they did the first year though. Not sure why maybe I am becoming accustomed to it? I also always suit up though when going in the hives. I spend a lot of time around my hives though. They sit in the middle of my orchard and 15 feet from the mid point of my garden. Lots of work uncovered near the hive at all times of the year.

[Bush_84]

This is because you are developing a 'sensitivity' to bee venom.  You may want to talk to your doctor before you have a full anaphylactic reaction.

Having even a huge local reaction does not increase you odds of an anaphylactic reaction. Don?t waste your time with a clinic bill.

[BeeMaster2]

JackM,
Was it you that posted several years ago that you were helping a newbee inspect her hives and a frame dropped and you were stung several times. The next thing you knew was waking up to paramedics?
Jim

[eltalia]

Jes' something to thonk about for those focused on MD/GP advice (s)
on venom reactions. As with snakes also it is usual to find advice from
the general publc mirrors that medicos have gleaned from teachings,
not from actual experience on the ground.
In Aussie we have a group known as "Allied Professionals".
Without recounting anecdotes of some scale I do say it is this group advice
should be taken from as it works. It works because these people have
frontline experience and cannot bury their mistakes... they get fired and cannot
usually work again.
One of these effectively saved my Life with her attention to detail not
one GP overlooked/dismissed but several, and a number of those
being "specialists" in the cardiac field.

So before absorbing guggle.com and accepting a prescription drug
from the GP, get seen by a clinician... it may save you a lot of worry, and money.

Bill

[JackM]

JackM,
Was it you that posted several years ago that you were helping a newbee inspect her hives and a frame dropped and you were stung several times. The next thing you knew was waking up to paramedics?
Jim

Nope, not me.  I don't let it get that far when I get stung and I always suit up everything.

[JackM]

This is because you are developing a 'sensitivity' to bee venom.  You may want to talk to your doctor before you have a full anaphylactic reaction.

Having even a huge local reaction does not increase you odds of an anaphylactic reaction. Don?t waste your time with a clinic bill.

I disagree strongly.  Have a medical professional evaluate.  Are you a doctor/nurse/Paramedic Bush_84?  What is your medical training to claim seeking medical advice is not necessary?

[Sledin]

A guy I knew growing up was doing some hobby beekeeping, he'd been doing it since he was a kid with his grandpa, so stung many times. Now in his mid thirties he got stung one day and had a anaphylactic reaction, doctor told him his body was saying it had had enough.

It could be a game of Russian roulette.


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[Bush_84]

This is because you are developing a 'sensitivity' to bee venom.  You may want to talk to your doctor before you have a full anaphylactic reaction.

Having even a huge local reaction does not increase you odds of an anaphylactic reaction. Don?t waste your time with a clinic bill.

I disagree strongly.  Have a medical professional evaluate.  Are you a doctor/nurse/Paramedic Bush_84?  What is your medical training to claim seeking medical advice is not necessary?

You can do whatever you want but I?m a pa that works in an er. So I?m not some clueless bum. Most people are just lazy and will give anybody an epipen, however have a large local reaction is not an indication for an epipen or immunotherapy. You will likely continue to get large local relations if you have experienced one but it does not mean you are on your way towards anaphylaxis.

Edit-sorry for the typos. Typing is impossible on my phone and going back is a pain lol.

[bwallace23350]

How does a bee sting allergy develop? Is it gradual or just a one time bam you got it now type thing?

[Bush_84]

How does a bee sting allergy develop? Is it gradual or just a one time bam you got it now type thing?

It?s generally a bam kind of thing. You do require an exposure. So you will not develop an allergy from your first sting. You may be stung and develop a sensitivity to the venom and you won?t know it until your next sting. Your immune system has a long memory as well. I don?t think it?s known why all of a sudden your immune system is sensitized even after having had a number of previous exposures. It?s like penicillin. I see tons of reactions to various penicillins when they had been on it multiple times over their lives.

IMO each exposure is a risk. Therefore the more you are exposed the more risk you are exposed to. You certainly won?t find me without a suit and gloves, although more power to those who feel comfortable without it.

[JackM]

Bush_84,
Well you have the medical background.  I still feel they need to go to their PCP (not the ER) and have an eval if suddenly they are having worse reactions and you should also feel that they need to see PCP for eval if you work in ER, but they do not need ER.  If that is what you are trying to say.  No offense meant, difference of medical opinion I suppose.
Jack

[BeeMaster2]

How does a bee sting allergy develop? Is it gradual or just a one time bam you got it now type thing?

One of the triggers to having a severe reaction is being exposed to bee venom in the power form, from venom on clothes, and not being stung. Spouses of beekeepers often have severe reactions from handling the beekeeper?s clothing.
Jim

[bwallace23350]

How does a bee sting allergy develop? Is it gradual or just a one time bam you got it now type thing?

One of the triggers to having a severe reaction is being exposed to bee venom in the power form, from venom on clothes, and not being stung. Spouses of beekeepers often have severe reactions from handling the beekeeper?s clothing.
Jim

That seems odd to me. Is there some science lit to back that up or what?

[BeeMaster2]

It is a warning that has been around for a while. Tha husband of a friend that has depended on bee stings to live for the last 28 years had it happen to him. He washed her clothes. I talked her into getting her own bees when the beekeeper she was buying jars of bees from retired. She used bee stings with a Epipen available to desensitize him. She started with removing the sting immediately and slowly worked toward full stings. He now takes care of the bees.
Jim

[bwallace23350]

Interesting. Well I will take that into consideration but being single and doing my own laundry I am probably safe.