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Offline Ben Framed

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Hum.... Well Mr Lincoln?
« on: April 04, 2021, 02:19:16 am »
Hum: Who would have made up such ridiculous proclamations? What kind of people were these Independently minded People? Were they plumb loco? Who had ever heard of a Government of the People, By the People and For The People? What type of people had such independent thinking?  Was their forethought sound? Was the words spoken by Mr Lincoln almost a hundred years later spoken in vane? You decide...............

The Gettysburg Address is a speech that U.S. President Abraham Lincoln delivered during the American Civil War at the dedication of the Soldiers' National Cemetery in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on the afternoon of November 19, 1863.
"He extolled the sacrifices of those who died at Gettysburg in defense of those principles, and exhorted his listeners to resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain? That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom? And that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

I suppose those words can be traced in one form or another, back to the solid ground of OUR Constitution? The great equalizer of (Its), very own; (American Citizens)?

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/full-text
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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

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Re: Hum.... Well Mr Lincoln?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2021, 07:22:02 pm »
Lincoln is an interesting study.  He ignored the constitution when it suited him.  I suppose that would be called emergency powers these days. 
He didn't like slavery but had no intention of trying to end it.  He understood that he didn't have the authority to do so.  He gets credit for going to war to end slavery, but that's not why he did it and going to war to preserve the union was constitutionally questionable.  There is no mechanism for succession, but there is nothing that says states can't leave.

Different times, different people, good end result, but at a horrific cost. 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Hum.... Well Mr Lincoln?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2021, 08:06:48 am »
but there is nothing that says states can't leave.
Maybe all the oaths Phil keeps talking about.
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Re: Hum.... Well Mr Lincoln?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2021, 09:26:57 pm »
but there is nothing that says states can't leave.
Maybe all the oaths Phil keeps talking about.

Thanks Brian, if the left as well as the right, would strive to meet the guidelines, obligations,  and requirements of the constitution, the oaths would be much more easily accepted and followed, being accomplished along with more peace and harmony. We can thank our very wise founders for the blueprints of our nations constitution, the basic equalizer of We, you and I, the people ...
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For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.