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Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« on: February 01, 2021, 11:55:27 am »
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I am getting a bit concerned.  Whatever differences we have had in this country, and some of them have been quite severe, I have never heard some of the things I am hearing now.  When the press, former government officials, and current congresspeople are opening talking about re/de-programming those who disagree with them, you might wonder if you woke up in a different country.

 When those same people are telling us that those who worked in an unapproved admin should be forever blacklisted, and then they add that those in the general public who voted for the unapproved admin should not work until they get their heads straight, you should be afraid because you are in a different country.

When one ideology controls the main ways people communicate, book publishing companies, and the majority of the press, you might all of a sudden realize that you have been silenced and there is nothing you can do about it.  You probably don't even want to try to do anything about it because you don't want to end up being deprogrammed and reeducated.

I have friends who have come out of totalitarian countries.  They have always feared what they have seen from the left.  It's not a party thing.  It's an ideology thing.  Now their fears seem to become reality.  What people will talk about doing, they are willing to do. 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2021, 04:49:53 pm »
Yes, very concerned.
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2021, 04:54:28 pm »
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Your post sounds like what the state republican party is trying to do to liz chainy due to her vote on impeachment.
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2021, 05:22:38 pm »
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Your post sounds like what the state republican party is trying to do to liz chainy due to her vote on impeachment.

The party in the state is displeased with what she has done. what they propose is hardly the same as what I have pointed out in my post. 

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2021, 09:51:41 pm »
"and the majority of the press" Saw an AOL/Yahoo headline tonight about a poll that showed how large a majority approved Bidens policies so far. I actually took the time to read it, the poll was a little over 1500 people.
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2021, 03:13:37 am »
And I bet most of them are hard line Democrats.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2021, 09:11:07 am »
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You don't think part of the 1500 they ask were any of the 30 percent who still like trump?
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2021, 09:18:23 am »
Jim, long standing republicans voted for Biden.  When you acknowledge a major problem sometimes it is prudent to look within.
Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation?  Isn't that right our of Putin's playbook?  You have republicans for years fighting the cold war wanting to build more missiles and a bigger military budget to fight communism.  Now you have republicans trying to over through our government and smoke peace pipe with Russia.  I really think you should look within before you point any fingers.
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2021, 11:57:00 am »
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"and the majority of the press" Saw an AOL/Yahoo headline tonight about a poll that showed how large a majority approved Bidens policies so far. I actually took the time to read it, the poll was a little over 1500 people.

Did the poll tell you how many dems vs how many republicans they had polled?  Was it a phone poll?  Where was it done?  Polls are only worth something if you know the underlying stats.
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2021, 12:05:07 pm »
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Jim, long standing republicans voted for Biden.  When you acknowledge a major problem sometimes it is prudent to look within.
Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation?  Isn't that right our of Putin's playbook?  You have republicans for years fighting the cold war wanting to build more missiles and a bigger military budget to fight communism.  Now you have republicans trying to over through our government and smoke peace pipe with Russia.  I really think you should look within before you point any fingers.

Are you smoking that peace pipe?   :cheesy:

Yes, republicans voted for Biden.  Conservatives did not.  Democrats voted for Trump.  Leftists did not.

Did you forget Hillarys reset button?  Did you forget Obamas whispers in the ear of  Medvedev?  I would suggest that given the response from Obama to Romney about Russia, it is the left that is deluded about Putin.  If he'd had that response when he ran the first time he might have been forgiven for his lack of knowledge.  After 4 years of being in office?  It is apparent he did not recognize the issues.

Russia is a danger and always has been, but the real danger right now is China.  This seems to be something the left has been ignoring as they ignored the USSR and later, Russia.  And God help the world if they do as it appears they are doing, and join forces. 

And yes, the deprogramming, etc. is right out of the communist playbook.  Confess your sins and make your mind right.  These are things you expect from a reeducation camp in Vietnam, not coming from what is still considered the MSM and being said out loud on the evening news. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2021, 09:20:54 am »
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Yes, republicans voted for Biden.  Conservatives did not.  Democrats voted for Trump.  Leftists did not.

Ah, looks like we have an admission.  Democrats are not all leftist.
Now here is an important question:  Is Trump radical right, conservative, or progressive?
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2021, 10:28:08 am »

Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation?  Isn't that right our of Putin's playbook?
That playbook is at least as old as the extreme left. And the extreme right, 2 forces which I vehemently oppose.
"Is Trump radical right, conservative, or progressive?"
None of the above.  Trump is a Trumper, and that's all.  Formerly a New York Demorat, Trump thought he knew how to out-Demorat the Demorats and proved himself wrong.
While it was indeed rather fun to watch the Demorats squirm as a Republicon behaved just as they do, using their own playbook, it was ultimately a failed and foolish plan.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2021, 06:08:23 pm »
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Ah, looks like we have an admission.  Democrats are not all leftist.
Now here is an important question:  Is Trump radical right, conservative, or progressive?

There's nothing to admit.  There's a reason I use the terms conservative and leftist.  Not all republicans are conservatives.  Not all democrats are leftists. 

When Trump ran at first, I would have put him in the progressive republican wing.  About the same as a blue dog democrat.  I was pleasantly surprised to find that most of his policies were conservative. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2021, 06:25:12 pm »
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That playbook is at least as old as the extreme left. And the extreme right, 2 forces which I vehemently oppose.
"Is Trump radical right, conservative, or progressive?"
None of the above.  Trump is a Trumper, and that's all.  Formerly a New York Demorat, Trump thought he knew how to out-Demorat the Demorats and proved himself wrong.
While it was indeed rather fun to watch the Demorats squirm as a Republicon behaved just as they do, using their own playbook, it was ultimately a failed and foolish plan.

I don't think any of this is accurate.  We can only judge any politician by policy and his were conservative with the exception of spending. The only person who seems to care about spending is Rand Paul.  Everyone else seems to think that printing and borrowing is a great idea.

There are a lot of Dems who have become republicans.  There are some Republicans who have become
Dems.   Those who switch are not radicals of any stripe.  They generally switch because they feel their party no longer represents their constituents and/or what they personally believe. 

The term "extreme" means different things depending on which ideology you are talking about.  To the left, anyone who supports the Constitution as written, and believes in first principles is extreme.  If you voted for Trump you are an extremist, along with being a racist (even if you are a minority) a misogynist, a xenophobe, and just about any other epitaph that can be thrown at you that has worked for them in the past.

If I was to point to extreme on the left I'd point to the squad and Bernie.  And, that is what this post is about anyway.  Is it not extreme for people in the press and in government to be talking about Deprogramming, de-platforming, and reeducating 1/2 the population just because they don't like the way those people voted?

It might be worth taking a moment to 1. understand why so many voted for Trump and 2. Why he scared the piss out of so many in power.  Hint: It's not the crap that CNN is pushing as reasons.

They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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Re: Deprograming, de-platforming, and reeducation
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2021, 06:30:10 pm »

"Is Trump radical right, conservative, or progressive?"
None of the above.
That part you are right.  A Trumper, well maybe if that defines a self centered idiot.  He has no affiliation with any political platform.  He does things that a person with a cult mentality would like only to fuel his ego.  Absolutely cares about no one other than himself.  He certainly doesn't care about the country or it's form of government.  He takes no responsibility for any failure even though that is all he has ever done.
In the past he has muscled people into submission with law suits but that game is coming to an end.
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2021, 06:42:38 pm »
If you voted for Trump you are an extremist, along with being a racist...
Many are but millions are not.  I think many got sucked into believing his propaganda and lies.  Another sector of his support voted for him because of fear of socialism.  More lies and propaganda.  Many say they are conservative but are the first to hold their hands out for a government give away.
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2021, 07:53:47 pm »
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Many are but millions are not.  I think many got sucked into believing his propaganda and lies.  Another sector of his support voted for him because of fear of socialism.  More lies and propaganda.  Many say they are conservative but are the first to hold their hands out for a government give away.

What were his propaganda and lies?  Being concerned about socialism is legit.  Bernie is not popular because he's a mainstream dem.  Some of those younger members of congress are openly supporting Marxist positions and groups.  You are right.  There are conservatives that will take what is offered, especially right now.  I did at one point when we were broke and I had taken in the children of a relative.  I was offered school lunches for all the kids and I took it.  As my father pointed out, he'd been paying taxes for all that stuff, I might as well use it.  Pretty sure  that we have more than paid back the state for what we used   :wink:

I do not think that any of those points are the main reason most people voted for Trump though.  There were certainly included consideratons. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2021, 07:56:12 pm »
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A Trumper, well maybe if that defines a self centered idiot.  He has no affiliation with any political platform.  He does things that a person with a cult mentality would like only to fuel his ego.  Absolutely cares about no one other than himself.  He certainly doesn't care about the country or it's form of government.  He takes no responsibility for any failure even though that is all he has ever done.
In the past he has muscled people into submission with law suits but that game is coming to an end.

What are your facts to back your assertions?  I do think that anyone who runs for president probably has an oversized ego.  Some just hide it better than others.  As for the rest, I'd be interested in some backup to the statements. 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2021, 09:22:54 am »
There are conservatives that will take what is offered, especially right now.  I did at one point when we were broke and I had taken in the children of a relative.  I was offered school lunches for all the kids and I took it.  As my father pointed out, he'd been paying taxes for all that stuff, I might as well use it.
My point is conservatives will beat down socialistic programs and then RIGHTFULY take advantage of them.  What I don't get is continually beating down socialism after you have taken advantage of it.  Why is it not needed for others in that situation?  I am sure that everyone will acknowledge government waste.  It is no different than corporate waste.  You still pay for it in the end.  Maybe I am a dreamer but it seems to me what should be done is fix what is broken not through it away because of some waste or benefits going to those that don't deserve it.  Stop the criminals.  Is it not illegal to fraud the government?
The fear of socialism is manufactured.  The fear of corruption is real and is the result of a failed government of all forms.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2021, 10:03:43 am »
Brian,
I?m afraid within the next 4 years, maybe even 2, we are going to find out how bad socialism is in this country.
It will progress to the point that our constitution no longer exists, that includes all of your rights.
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