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FormicPro Treatment Example
« on: August 01, 2023, 07:32:55 pm »
I've had some people request I follow up with the FormicPro treatment I'm doing, and I thought I'd go through the whole treatment for the benefit of anyone who may be considering using the product.  This is the hottest temperature I've ever used FormicPro in, so we'll see how it goes. 

During my last round of inspections, I found two colonies in my apiary containing some bees with deformed wings.  I did sugar rolls in both colonies, and both had EXTREMELY high counts (I'm talking like 50 mites in each roll).  I also had another colony that I attempted to do a German mite trapping treatment on about a month ago, but the queen kept escaping the queen excluders, so I decided to treat that colony as well, since their counts were similar to the worst-looking colony about a month ago (around 4.5%). 

I purchased two packages of FormicPro from my local farm store.  FormicPro is an organic miticide with the active ingredient of formic acid; each package treats two hives.  I have used FormicPro, along with its predecessor MAQS, before with good success several times, and once without good success, when I had one package fail to reduce my mite loads appreciably in two colonies.  I chose the product for this particular treatment because of the severity of the mite infestation and the potential for deformed wing virus, and because I still have some honey supers on.  Formic acid penetrates brood cappings, so only one application is enough, and formic also takes out any weak bees, and I want the product to kill any bees that may have a high virus load so any DWV doesn't spread further.  While FormicPro is supposed to be super-safe, I don't feel comfortable eating or selling any honey that has been exposed to a chemical treatment of any kind, even an organic one (and especially one with a smell this strong), so any honey that is in the hives for the treatment will be left on for winter or be spread around the apiary. 

The instructions say that the ambient temperatures should be between 50-85F on the day of application, and it should never be above 92F for the first three days of the treatment period, which is two weeks total.  I have used FormicPro when the temps were in the 60's and 70's, but never when it's in the 80's.  To prepare the hives for treatment, I removed any honey I wanted to take off for myself a few days ago, and today I removed the entrance reducers, closed any top entrances, and put the varroa boards in the bottom boards.  When I actually apply the treatment, I always wear nitrile gloves and my solid suit to avoid accidentally getting anything on my skin, as the formic acid is very corrosive.  Each hive gets two strips laid on top of the bottom brood box.  The bees react immediately to my laying the strips down, fanning and moving away from the strips, and as soon as I put the next box on, those bees fan as well.  When I left the apiary, all three hives were bearding and fanning, which is normal in my experience. 

As I mentioned, the treatment period is two weeks, during which time I'm not supposed to disturb the hives in any way.  I'll keep everyone posted on how the bees are acting and the treatment results at the end.             
« Last Edit: August 01, 2023, 11:38:50 pm by The15thMember »
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Re: FormicPro Treatment Example
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2023, 11:31:23 pm »
Thanks for the very thorough lay out Reagan. Im Looking forward to more when the time is right.

Phillip 
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Re: FormicPro Treatment Example
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2023, 11:41:51 pm »
When I checked on the hives this evening I had one hive pretty heavily bearding, and one hive with a lot of people out on the landing board, but not exactly bearding.  The third colony was acting normal, but they do have one more box than the other two colonies. 
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Re: FormicPro Treatment Example
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2023, 01:57:24 pm »
No bearding or excessive fanning from the hives this morning, although one had some fighting on the landing board from robbers.  We have some rain on the way, so I'm fairly certain it will take care of itself, but I may put robbing screens on these colonies. 
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Re: FormicPro Treatment Example
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2023, 12:39:56 pm »
The FormicPro treatment period is now over.  Since the strips are exhausted, there is no need to remove them promptly, although one of the hives started to do the job themselves over the weekend, dumping large chunks of the paper wrapper in front of the hive. 

I checked the bottom board inserts today, to see what the varroa drop was like, although some of the dead mites are still in the capped brood, so I should continue to see significant varroa drop for a little while.  The one hive had a satisfying amount of dead mites on the board.  Another hive had a colony of ants living on the board who had eaten or removed the mites, so no information there.  The 3rd colony, the one that had the highest pre-treatment count and was showing signs of DWV, had a disturbingly high number of hive beetle larvae on the tray, and very little traffic in and out of the hive.  I'm going to open them up this afternoon to see what's going on.   
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Re: FormicPro Treatment Example
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2023, 07:23:50 pm »
The hive I checked had a beetle infestation in their bottom box, which they had abandoned probably due to robbing pressure and a drop in population, since the treatment took out a lot of sick bees, like I hoped it would.  I removed the FormicPro strips, along with the slatted rack and bottom board, which I'll need to clean before I can replace, and their bottom box, all 8 frames of which will be a loss from beetle damage.  I put the hive on my Snelgrove board as a temporary bottom.  I did see the queen and open brood.  I frequently see colonies with no capped brood at the end of a formic treatment.  I'm not sure if they pull the pupae once the mites die, or if the queen just briefly stops laying during the treatment.  I saw no bees with deformed wings. 
« Last Edit: August 16, 2023, 11:59:02 pm by The15thMember »
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Re: FormicPro Treatment Example
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2023, 11:49:35 pm »
Thanks for the interesting updates Reagan.

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Re: FormicPro Treatment Example
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2023, 08:03:57 pm »
The two sickest colonies had their populations reduced significantly enough by the treatment that I combined them a few days ago.  The third colony is still looking strong. 
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