Post by: The15thMember on December 02, 2021, 04:20:19 pm
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Post by: gww on December 02, 2021, 05:43:26 pm
Cheers
gww
Post by: The15thMember on December 02, 2021, 06:11:58 pm
I really do not know but if the hive next door has bees in it, robbing would be my first instinct at this time of the year in my area.The hive next door does have bees in it. I checked on their feed a few days ago. They're not packed in there, but the population seemed decent enough. I included them in the picture to contrast this hive with what the other hives were doing, which was just a couple bees out on the porch.
Cheers
gww
3 hours later they are still on the outside of the hive. Now that the temp is dropping they are basically just bearding. I really don't think it's robbing, especially not the way they looked a few minutes ago. It's almost like the hive is just so packed with bees that they are just hanging out outside. I didn't think they were overstuffed when I put them away for winter, but maybe there just isn't a lot of room in their for all of them. It would explain why they were using the outside of the hive as a dance floor a little while ago.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 02, 2021, 06:21:11 pm
First time they have been so active in quite a while because of cool weather. Freezing and frost nights here lately and not very warm. I just figured my bees were taking advantage of the day, out and about.. lol. If you have other hives than pictured might be a good idea to check as gww suggested just to be safe.... If you do have other hives, what are they doing?
I was in the shop earlier (which happens to the the place where I store my empty combs). They can't get to them but they know they are there and would like too. Many bees trying...
Phillip
Post by: The15thMember on December 02, 2021, 08:19:52 pm
Im with gww, I don't know what they are doing either. But my bees were very active today. (Warmed up to 72!) and sun shine...It should be warm again tomorrow, so I will just peek in through the moisture quilts to see what everyone looks like. I have four hives right now. Two are a bit smaller in population, the tree hive on the left in the picture is one of them, and I don't see as much activity from them on warm days, which would be expected. The second stronger hive just had maybe 10-15 bees on the porch, coming and going when the afternoon was warmest, nothing like this hive. Once it got dark all the bees went back inside. I guess we'll just see if they do the same thing again tomorrow.
First time they have been so active in quite a while because of cool weather. Freezing and frost nights here lately and not very warm. I just figured my bees were taking advantage of the day, out and about.. lol. If you have other hives than pictured might be a good idea to check as gww suggested just to be safe.... If you do have other hives, what are they doing?
I was in the shop earlier (which happens to the the place where I store my empty combs). They can't get to them but they know they are there and would like too. Many bees trying...
Phillip
Now there is one other thing which was new yesterday and today which I neglected to mention, and that is that I put some old honey frames out for the bees to clean on the other side of the property. I fairly certain they are far enough away to not cause any robbing.
Wait, I just realized something I may have been misunderstanding. I thought gww meant that this hive was BEING ROBBED, but, gww, did you mean this hive was ROBBING OUT the tree hive? There wasn't any heavy traffic at the tree hive while this hive was "bearding". And the tree hive isn't extremely tiny, I feel like I'd have seen some resistance from them. I don't know, do robbing hives display this kind of bearding behavior?
Post by: Ben Framed on December 02, 2021, 08:29:57 pm
I am a little concerned about the quiet 'next door' hive Member. With the right side hive so active and the left hive so quiet brings this slight concern. Peeking in would be a good idea for an accurate assessment. What was you temperatures today?
Post by: gww on December 02, 2021, 08:34:10 pm
Good luck
gww
Ps Your quiet hive was acting more like mine were today and it was 71 degrees here.
On the other hand. If you were feeding, that would explain waggle dance and maybe this is the only hive that found it or had the work force to take advantage of it.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 02, 2021, 08:35:40 pm
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I was thinking the hive with the activity was the one being robbed.
Good point gww... I didn't think of that, went over my head, my thinker wasn't thinking.. lol
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I will watch what you come up with and may learn with you.
Same here..
Post by: The15thMember on December 02, 2021, 08:41:31 pm
I was thinking the hive with the activity was the one being robbed. You might want to wait rather then worry about what I say. There are better bee people then me on this site that may yet answer. One pretty sure way to tell with out getting in the hive is if there is junk on the landing board. If it were robbing from the comb, they would tear them up pretty good and you would be able to tell at the entrance. I will watch what you come up with and may learn with you.Thanks for clarifying, gww. I'm almost certain this hive was not being robbed. There were no bees checking cracks, no bees fighting, and no debris that you speak of. I guess it's possible they were just really excited about the food I put out.
Good luck
gww
Ps Your quiet hive was acting more like mine were today and it was 71 degrees here.
On the other hand. If you were feeding, that would explain waggle dance and maybe this is the only hive that found it or had the work force to take advantage of it.
I am a little concerned about the quiet 'next door' hive Member. With the right side hive so active and the left hive so quiet brings this slight concern. Peeking in would be a good idea for an accurate assessment. What was you temperatures today?It was about 65 here today, and tomorrow is supposed to be up into the 70's, so I'll pop the tops and just take a quick peek at everybody tomorrow.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 02, 2021, 08:48:52 pm
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Now there is one other thing which was new yesterday and today which I neglected to mention, and that is that I put some old honey frames out for the bees to clean on the other side of the property. I fairly certain they are far enough away to not cause any robbing.
Was there bees all over those clean up frames? If so that is most likely your answer...
Post by: The15thMember on December 02, 2021, 08:59:19 pm
Was there bees all over those clean up frames? If so that is most likely your answer...I think so. I put the frames in a hive box with a lid on top of the corrugated roof of one of our goat sheds, so the bees could sneak in and clean it up, but it's more or less protected from rain or bigger critters for a few days. There were a decent amount of bees checking out the box, and I could kind of peek under and see that there were bees in there, but I'm not sure how many. I agree though, that seems too coincidental that this hive is extremely active on the first nice day after I put those frames out.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 02, 2021, 09:25:24 pm
It does not look like robbing to me. It does look like usurpation to me. I swarm of bees may bee taking over this hive. Is your queen marked. Keep an eye out for your old queen ending up on the ground out front.
Jim Altmiller
Post by: The15thMember on December 02, 2021, 11:13:12 pm
Member,I was wondering about that. It would explain the orientation flights. But wouldn't that be odd for this time of year? I guess it could have been an absconded colony, as opposed to a swarm. My queens are not marked, so I wouldn't be able to be sure that way, but I'll check the ground for queens anyway. Would there be fighting with a usurpation? This hive is very strong and full of bees. Wouldn't they attempt to resist the usurpers?
It does not look like robbing to me. It does look like usurpation to me. I swarm of bees may bee taking over this hive. Is your queen marked. Keep an eye out for your old queen ending up on the ground out front.
Jim Altmiller
Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 03, 2021, 08:51:24 am
Yes it was probably a hive that absconded. I only see it at this time of year.
Jim Altmiller
Post by: Acebird on December 03, 2021, 09:06:07 am
Post by: The15thMember on December 03, 2021, 10:58:48 am
Yes bees would be fighting but you probably missed it during the initial take over.Thanks for the info, Jim. If they aren't behaving this way again today, I bet that's what it was.
Yes it was probably a hive that absconded. I only see it at this time of year.
Jim Altmiller
You could open up both hives and check the population. On a three box hive the two top boxes should be honey and the bottom one being the nest. If there is a big difference in population they shouldn't be the same size. Are you feeding with mouse guards on? I would think it is the wrong time of year to feed but I don't know NC.Actually the top box is a moisture quilt, all my hives are wintered in 2 mediums. The tree hive colony is not extremely small, at least they weren't when I last checked, they just aren't bursting at the seams like this colony. I was not able to finish my fall feeding while I was doing my emergency treating, so I put some sugar balls on all the hives as emergency food, because I doubt they are up to the winter weight I'd like. I'm going to heft today too, to check where everyone's at with food.
Post by: beesnweeds on December 03, 2021, 11:23:17 am
If the bees are from an absconding hive they are probably covered in mites.
Post by: The15thMember on December 03, 2021, 07:15:46 pm
In my area this time of year it would be heavy cleansing flights and bees reorganizing the cluster, maybe not in southern states. It doesnt look like robbing to me and I have never had hives usurp. Do bees just give up when they get usurped or are there some dead fighting bees? But if you do suspect usurpation, I would do an OAV or OAD and take a mite count.I'm not set up for oxalic unfortunately, but it's not a bad idea. And I just finished a treatment with ApiLife Var. . . .
If the bees are from an absconding hive they are probably covered in mites.
So after checking on them periodically all day, I saw nothing odd from them. They were acting just like the other hives, some people coming and going, but nothing extravagant. The food is still out, so it clearly wasn't that. I'm inclined to think Jim is right. I did check the ground for a queen, but I didn't see one, although I could have easily missed her with all the leaves around my hives. I could do an inspection tomorrow, as the temps should still be warm enough. On the one hand I'd like to see what's going on in there, but on the other hand, our lows will be back down to freezing in a couple of days, so I'm not sure I should break their seals. Is there any reason I should, or should not, inspect them tomorrow?
Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 03, 2021, 10:51:28 pm
I personally would not do an inspection at this time of year. As you said the hives are sealed up and they may not be able to get them sealed back up before it chills back down.
What will you gain by inspecting the hive at this time of year?
Jim Altmiller
Post by: gww on December 03, 2021, 11:42:26 pm
gww
Post by: The15thMember on December 04, 2021, 12:28:09 am
Member,
I personally would not do an inspection at this time of year. As you said the hives are sealed up and they may not be able to get them sealed back up before it chills back down.
What will you gain by inspecting the hive at this time of year?
Jim Altmiller
I agree with jimGood then, I'll just leave them go and see what happens. I was thinking maybe doing a mite count would be a good idea, but you're right, there is nothing I can really do about it now anyway. Thanks for the help, everybody.
gww
Post by: Acebird on December 04, 2021, 08:30:00 am
Member,65 degrees Jim? That could be a summer day up north. Won't hurt them a bit. However mite treatments in December won't change the outcome.
I personally would not do an inspection at this time of year.
Post by: Acebird on December 04, 2021, 08:46:31 am
Actually the top box is a moisture quilt, all my hives are wintered in 2 mediums.I would say that is a risky policy. Not all hives are the same. So unless you are physically making them the same early enough in the fall the hive size should be different based on the population. An overpopulated hive will starve in the winter and an under populated hive will freeze if measures are not taken to prevent it. Feeding is not an option below 50 degrees and the last thing you want to do is emergency feed through the winter. It doesn't work.
Just saying, if the hive on the left is a runt and the hive on the right is over populated you could rob the resources on the left to save the one on the right and then split it in the spring. Opening the hives in 60+ weather to confirm population will not hurt them in the least.
Post by: gww on December 04, 2021, 11:02:08 am
Cheers
gww
Post by: Ben Framed on December 04, 2021, 11:45:47 am
This has been my experience as well.
Some of the other things written by Brian, can be debated or may be dependent on location and I will not break into that now.
As the discussion evolved, I was not so much concerned about the hive with the bees outside or peeking inside that hive. There was no fighting, no struggling bees etc. I became more concerned about the hive next door with little activity. That is why I ask about >other< hives and what was going on with them the same day, to use these hives as a gage to assess if you will, the little activity of the slow neighbor hive.
There was a huge contrast in the way of activity in the two hives shown. Though they both experienced the same weather variables. I have experienced hives with little activity, while other hives were more active, deciding to peek in and find the hive to be void of population. Only a few coming and going. This has happened in my experience, more than once.
As a side, the post by beesnweeds was solid. Along with suggestion of treatment of OAV in my opinion. It is my opinion, that practice is a good one this time of year when brood is or should be at a minimum. At least in my location.
Phillip
Post by: Ben Framed on December 04, 2021, 11:48:34 am
Post by: Ben Framed on December 04, 2021, 12:38:43 pm
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Although I agree with lots of what ace says above, I have a bit of a philosophical difference then many in managing bees. This does not make me right though. I run my hives with an attitude that they are what they are as of oct 1st and live or die after that date on their own, I do zero for them after oct. and know what happened come april. This takes a willingness to accept loss that with extra work might have been saved and I don't treat and so I need no opportunity to find a brood less time for treating which might come after that date also.
gww
There is more than one way to skin a cat and there is more than one way to keep bees. The method that you describe works for you and fits into your program. Letting the bees be bees during the time frame you laid out.
Personally I would like to keep bees in the same manor as you year round..
It must have been grand keeping bees in the days before Varroa and Small Hive Beetles.. I will never know. I 'missed' that golden time of beekeeping....
Post by: The15thMember on December 04, 2021, 01:02:11 pm
I am also not emergency feeding the hives because they are weak, I'm emergency feeding because I know they didn't get full enough in the fall to last them the winter. Is that ideal? Of course not. Our fall flow didn't really materialize, so I was feeding them sugar syrup to get the lighter hives up to winter weight when I discovered that my treatments hadn't worked and I needed to treat again. The treatment I used for that second round, ApiLife Var, didn't allow for me to feed while the treatments were on, and it is now too cold to feed liquid syrup, so I'm left with feeding solid sugar as my only recourse.
Adding: congratulations on your video venture member! Good job!!!:grin: Thanks, although I'm not impressed with the upload quality. The video looks WAY clearer on my computer. I guess I'll have to upload in HD next time.
Post by: gww on December 04, 2021, 01:14:34 pm
Cheers
gww
Post by: Ben Framed on December 04, 2021, 01:26:57 pm
Phillip
Post by: Ben Framed on December 04, 2021, 01:31:11 pm
Tim Durham discusses feeding throughout the winter, (if needed), by using top feeder jars. He drills a hole in the top and feeds similar to the way Bob Binnie feeds nucs etc. Tim is in zone 7 as am I.
Phillip
Post by: The15thMember on December 04, 2021, 01:37:47 pm
As an extra Member,I'm not familiar with what you are referring to, Phillip. Do you have a link?
Tim Durham discusses feeding throughout the winter, (if needed), by using top feeder jars. He drills a hole in the top and feeds similar to the way Bob Binnie feeds nucs etc. Tim is in zone 7 as am I.
Phillip
Post by: Ben Framed on December 04, 2021, 02:11:49 pm
Phillip
https://youtu.be/tUJuLxfgNZI
Post by: The15thMember on December 04, 2021, 03:00:29 pm
Sure Member, I have found this for you. He discusses this at the 4:40 time bar. The picture shows numerous holes but he says one or more will do. Mr Binnie uses one... I am thinking he posted the video picture, more for video attention.. lolThanks, Phillip. The piece of equipment he's talking about sounds like a jar board for having bees fill jars directly with honey comb, which is something I want to try someday. This could perhaps be another use for that, if I ever actually make one. I'm confused as to why this works though. I can see how it would work for fall feeding, but how would it work for winter? I thought bees couldn't drink syrup that was below 50 degrees F because it is too viscous?
Phillip
https://youtu.be/tUJuLxfgNZI
To get back to the original topic, I found an article in the ABJ about hive usurpation, and I'm convinced this was what I witnessed. I couldn't read the whole article because I'm not a subscriber, but the author was describing how usurping bees will often be waggle dancing on the face of the hive because some of the bees are searching for food while the hive takeover is happening, as absconding bees often don't have the opportunity to gorge on honey like a swarm does, and the bees are hungry. He also said, as Jim did, that the process can be very brief if the old queen is killed rapidly, so beekeepers often miss the initial fight at the entrance. According to the article, smaller weaker absconds can take over strong hives this way, in fact they are looking for strong hives because they will have the most stores. Apparently this behavior used to be quite rare in European honey bees, but has become more common in recent years, probably due to the introduction of the African genes into the gene pool, as usurpation is much more common in African and Africanized bees.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 04, 2021, 03:38:30 pm
Jurassic posted about jar filling a while back with a very interesting discussion. I?ll let you find that one lol.
Post by: jimineycricket on December 04, 2021, 09:15:12 pm
I'm not recommending this necessarily. I use pressed sugar bricks myself, but it is an alternative method for feeding syrup in the winter.
Little John posted on this site in the past.
Post by: Acebird on December 05, 2021, 08:05:49 am
Although I agree with lots of what ace says above, I have a bit of a philosophical difference then many in managing bees. This does not make me right though. I run my hives with an attitude that they are what they are as of oct 1st and live or die after that date on their own, I do zero for them after oct. and know what happened come april. This takes a willingness to accept loss that with extra work might have been saved and I don't treat and so I need no opportunity to find a brood less time for treating which might come after that date also. I have zero doubt that you can do much better if willing to spend extra effort then I am willing to do for what I get back from bees. The above fact might need to be reflected on with any advice that I might give so that my advice might be put into perspective compared to better bee keepers then me. I might lose bees to other factors but I also do not take much risk of killing queens after the bees can have a chance to replace one.I have the same attitude but you can't do 0 if you rob honey from the hive. My comment is more about treating all hives the same and how that can spell trouble.
Cheers
gww
Post by: Acebird on December 05, 2021, 08:45:01 am
The hive that was probably usurped was PACKED into 2 mediums. I was debating giving them a third box, but decided against it. I included the other hive in the picture as a comparison, to show you how little all the other hives were moving around that day.But they are not all in the same condition so it is not a comparison.
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I am also not emergency feeding the hives because they are weak, I'm emergency feeding because I know they didn't get full enough in the fall to last them the winter. Is that ideal? Of course not. Our fall flow didn't really materialize, so I was feeding them sugar syrup to get the lighter hives up to winter weight when I discovered that my treatments hadn't worked and I needed to treat again. The treatment I used for that second round, ApiLife Var, didn't allow for me to feed while the treatments were on, and it is now too cold to feed liquid syrup, so I'm left with feeding solid sugar as my only recourse.It is not uncommon that populous hives have high mite counts. Those that treat do it early fall to beat the numbers down before the queen lays up the nest with winter bee brood.
A word... emergency feeding implies the colony is out of resources and it is now an emergency. This time period is closer to spring usually after you have checked the hive.
Another word... If you are feeding syrup they need space and temperatures to dry it.
Final word... Sugar crystals cannot be stored and the bees must have water to use it. It's primary use is to raise spring bees and sustain life until the brood hatches and can go get nectar for the new season. A balanced hive (bees to honey) never needs sugar crystals.
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Post by: The15thMember on December 06, 2021, 10:52:02 am
15. I don?t recognize what you have the mouse guard attached to between the bottom board and first deep. What is that?It's a slatted rack. It basically creates a dead air space right inside the entrance to help with keeping warm in the winter and gives them a place to fan and expand the cluster to keep cool in the summer.
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Post by: Acebird on December 07, 2021, 08:23:35 am
Post by: rast on December 07, 2021, 09:20:43 am
What are your coldest temperatures? Why do I not see this device on the hives in Canada? How does a feral hive get by without it?Old piece of equipment, they have been used in all climates. If you run screen bottom boards the queen will lay lower in the frame, back when I used them, my only advantage here in Fl. was reduced bearding and I don't care if they beard or not.
The feral hives in trees with upper entrances use them. :smile:
Post by: The15thMember on December 07, 2021, 12:11:09 pm
What are your coldest temperatures? Why do I not see this device on the hives in Canada? How does a feral hive get by without it?
:cheesy: It's true though. It's an optional piece of equipment. Rast about covered it; they aren't just for winter. I use them year round. I purchased them for all my hives my first year or two because they were recommended by Rusty Burlew, who has a very similar climate to mine. This past summer I had more hives than racks, and I didn't notice a big difference between the two setups, but I have them, so I use them. They can't hurt and they may help. Feral hives are not in langstroths, and as rast alluded to, wild honey bees do often leave a gap between their entrance and their combs, and with an upper entrance they certainly have a gap between their entrance and their brood.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 07, 2021, 12:59:29 pm
Post by: The15thMember on December 07, 2021, 01:07:11 pm
It?s been a while but it seems I remember some of the older topics discussing these racks and reasons, >plural< they used them. One I remember was for the aid in varroa control. When folks used powered sugar for aid in varroa control, the idea was >groomed off< mites would fall through the slated racks to the ground not being able to reach the bees, die.That's how screened bottom boards work, but not slatted racks. The slatted rack is between the entrance and the brood nest, so the bees walk through it when they come and go from the hive.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 07, 2021, 01:14:03 pm
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Post by: The15thMember on December 07, 2021, 01:40:47 pm
In that case we may be taking about two different things. The slatted rack I read about was on the bottom of the hive as I described. With nothing but space and ground in-between.
In other words, the hive had no bottom. The slatted rack was the bottom of the hive, leaving the hive sort of bottomless.. It has been 'some time' since I read something on this, but I faintly remember Brian D Bray speaking of this bottomless hive, using slatted racks as his bottoms.Yes, that is something different than what I have. If my slatted rack was used as a bottom board, the bottom of the hive would be entirely open to bees.
Post by: Ben Framed on December 07, 2021, 01:51:54 pm
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Yes, that is something different than what I have. If my slatted rack was used as a bottom board, the bottom of the hive would be entirely open to bees.
Then in that case we might still be talking about the same thing after all? Uses ">plural<". Mr Bray shared his reasoning for this type of bottomless use, using only the slatted rack and some advantages of doing so. (If I remember correctly). Adding, I do not know anything about these. I have never seen one. I was just adding one more use that had not been mentioned here that I had read a long time ago.
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Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 07, 2021, 04:12:57 pm
Jim Altmiller
Post by: .30WCF on December 07, 2021, 05:35:41 pm
I have been planting/over seeding rye grass in a lot of my fields. I have also been plowing the field behind my house and today I harrowed it to start smoothing it out. The first picture is after it was plowed, the second picture is after the first run with the harrow and the third is after the second harrow run. I am going to get more fuel so that I can run the harrow one more time and then I will run my brillian grass seeder with no seed in it first to really smooth it out and then do it again with rye seeds.I like my coffee black with two sugars. It goes real nice with a piece of pie for breakfast.
Jim Altmiller
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Post by: Acebird on December 08, 2021, 08:49:04 am
Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 08, 2021, 03:10:14 pm
Jim, how was the field plowed? I don't see defined rows and I do see tuffs of grass which should be buried when the plow turns over the soil.This field, as are most of my fields, is filled with old stumps. I had to use my new ground plow/disc plow. On the first row I hit a sunken log and the castle nut that holds the first disk in place stripped out. I cleaned it all up and put it back together with 5/16?bolts replacing the cotter pin. I thought for sure that would hold but it didn?t. I took the disc to a machinist and he made a smaller castle nut and cut new threads.
That did the job.
It seemed like every ten feet I was cutting a stump. All of the stumps are now at least 10? below the surface which enabled me to harrow it properly.
Jim Altmiller
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Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 08, 2021, 04:56:31 pm
I was just joking about the randomness. Hope you didn?t take offense. It looks like a good food plot for the deer too.I had no idea of where you were coming from.
Still don?t. 😊
Jim Altmiller
Post by: The15thMember on December 08, 2021, 04:58:56 pm
Yeah, this thread kind of took an unexpected turn. :cheesy: It's my fault for titling it what I did. Hopefully I'm not the only one who refers to my bees as "everyone". :embarassed: :grin:I was just joking about the randomness. Hope you didn?t take offense. It looks like a good food plot for the deer too.I had no idea of where you were coming from.
Still don?t. 😊
Jim Altmiller
Post by: Ben Framed on December 08, 2021, 05:03:28 pm
randomness |ˈrandəmnəs|
noun
1 the quality or state of lacking a pattern or principle of organization; unpredictability: we accept randomness in our own lives but we crave logic in art.
Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 08, 2021, 05:11:07 pm
I was supposed to rain today so I was rushing to get the seed in the ground. It is now raining pretty hard. I?m hoping it doesn?t rain so hard that it washes the seed away. I?m glad that I didn?t use my broadcast spreader. It would all wash away.
With a brilliant seeder, most of the seed is covered with a little dirt.
Jim Altmiller
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Post by: .30WCF on December 08, 2021, 08:34:05 pm
That could be a fun thread to start though 15th.Yeah, this thread kind of took an unexpected turn. :cheesy: It's my fault for titling it what I did. Hopefully I'm not the only one who refers to my bees as "everyone". :embarassed: :grin:I was just joking about the randomness. Hope you didn?t take offense. It looks like a good food plot for the deer too.I had no idea of where you were coming from.
Still don?t.
Jim Altmiller
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Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 08, 2021, 08:44:15 pm
Jim Altmiller
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Post by: The15thMember on December 08, 2021, 09:43:47 pm
Post by: .30WCF on December 08, 2021, 10:10:19 pm
I didn?t mean for that so sound like chopping the thread so much as keeping the fun going. It?s sometimes fun to ramble and poke fun with each
other.
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Post by: The15thMember on December 08, 2021, 10:15:33 pm
If it stays as is you?ll get a little chuckle next time you do refer back to it and remember what happened.I absolutely agree, under no circumstances do I want this portion of the thread deleted, but I think it might be more profitable if we continued the conversation where it belonged, so that others could more easily join in.
I didn?t mean for that so sound like chopping the thread so much as keeping the fun going. It?s sometimes fun to ramble and poke fun with each
other.
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Post by: .30WCF on December 08, 2021, 11:35:38 pm
When I just read it back more thoroughly, it all evolved naturally, and I got your thread off the rails with that question. Then Jim came out of deep left field, and I was just having fun with that. No harm intended. But I was holding the spoon that stirred the pot.
Back to where we left off, I think we were on feeding and mites to get your hive through the winter. You said you were not set up for OA. I can send you my old wand and some crystals, meet you off the highway at a Cracker Barrel, mail it or whatever if you want to try OAV on them. I don?t know where you are, but I head west frequently for work and could possibly get it to you. We can?t be more than a couple hours apart. There is a guy that works for me that lives around Marrion/Asheville that could ferry it over too. I just bought the oxyvap110 a while back, so your welcome to take the OA wand for a test drive. Maybe it will knock the mites down.
Personally, I would open my hives any day I wanted to within reason, if you wanted to take a peek inside. I?d just keep it quick if I needed to see cluster size in the cold. Disclaimer: I?m new and young in this adventure. I win some, I lose some.
Maybe I get some eggs from you in the spring and raise a baby Guinevere to carry on in the Piedmont.
Feel free to message me if you want to try the wand and crystals out.
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Post by: The15thMember on December 09, 2021, 10:51:42 am
15th. I apologize about the disruption. Admittedly, I skimmed through the thread at first and saw it go from what are these bees (people) doing on the outside of the boxes, to feeding and honey comb jars, quilts, inspection temps, feeding temps and styles, mites, quilts, and more. Initially, I thought we were already off the rails and just having a conversation. I was asking an honest question with the inquiry on the slatted rack.It's not problem at all, really; the thread was basically on its way down anyway. I honestly was viewing Jim's post as the true beginning of the derailment, not your question about the slatted rack (not that I'm blaming Jim, as I said before my title was really at fault). The only reason I'd prefer the thread be separated would be to continue Jim's conversation and for the sake of forum organization. It's no big deal, so don't feel bad.
When I just read it back more thoroughly, it all evolved naturally, and I got your thread off the rails with that question. Then Jim came out of deep left field, and I was just having fun with that. No harm intended. But I was holding the spoon that stirred the pot.
Back to where we left off, I think we were on feeding and mites to get your hive through the winter. You said you were not set up for OA. I can send you my old wand and some crystals, meet you off the highway at a Cracker Barrel, mail it or whatever if you want to try OAV on them. I don?t know where you are, but I head west frequently for work and could possibly get it to you. We can?t be more than a couple hours apart. There is a guy that works for me that lives around Marrion/Asheville that could ferry it over too. I just bought the oxyvap110 a while back, so your welcome to take the OA wand for a test drive. Maybe it will knock the mites down.
Personally, I would open my hives any day I wanted to within reason, if you wanted to take a peek inside. I?d just keep it quick if I needed to see cluster size in the cold. Disclaimer: I?m new and young in this adventure. I win some, I lose some.
Maybe I get some eggs from you in the spring and raise a baby Guinevere to carry on in the Piedmont.
Feel free to message me if you want to try the wand and crystals out.
Thank you so much! I'm definitely interested! I'm on my way out the door at the moment, but I'll PM you about it later. :happy:
Post by: Ben Framed on December 09, 2021, 11:30:24 am
Therefore I have chosen to leave the topic as is >for now<. At least any new poster will have the opportunity to clearly see, the confusion and allow clear hind sight vision to see what the topic original intent is about. Bees 🐝 outside, not people.
I agree with your thoughts of someone posting a similar topic in the outdoor section referring to what people/members, are doing outside. Should make for some interesting comments and conversations . If so I may look again at moving some of these people comments there and deleting the confusion that has followed .
Even still, if I move the post to another section, the title here in general beekeeping would remain the same, leaving the door open for >more< misunderstandings and >people< responses as per the title does suggest, which may leave us right back to where we are now, more post here about what a person is doing outside?
Your thoughts are welcome.
Phillip
Post by: .30WCF on December 09, 2021, 12:40:23 pm
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Post by: The15thMember on December 09, 2021, 01:05:48 pm
I can move the post described but I do not know of a way to change the name of title. Which in all actuality and fairness, is the door bell and key for past, present, and possibly future misunderstandings and confusion differing from what The15thMember original intent of the subject was, bees not people. The escalated confusion is in my opinion is innocent and sort of humorous. Can each of you hold back a smile?I agree, it was a totally humorous and innocent misunderstanding. :grin: Here's my thoughts. Why don't you start a new thread under the appropriate forum heading, and let's continue the "people" outdoors conversation there. Hopefully, due to more frequent posting in the bee section, the thread will go unnoticed and over time will end up on the next page, where it won't be able to confuse anyone anymore. Meanwhile, since we'll hopefully keep up this conversation in the outdoors section, that thread will be more visible, and will become the new home for the "people" part of the topic. Just leave this thread intact and where it is, and it'll just always be here for us to look back on and laugh about. We just have to cross our fingers that anyone who clicks on this thread won't blindly post based on the title without first reading at least a portion of the thread.
Therefore I have chosen to leave the topic as is >for now<. At least any new poster will have the opportunity to clearly see, the confusion and allow clear hind sight vision to see what the topic original intent is about. Bees 🐝 outside, not people.
I agree with your thoughts of someone posting a similar topic in the outdoor section referring to what people/members, are doing outside. Should make for some interesting comments and conversations . If so I may look again at moving some of these people comments there and deleting the confusion that has followed .
Even still, if I move the post to another section, the title here in general beekeeping would remain the same, leaving the door open for >more< misunderstandings and >people< responses as per the title does suggest, which may leave us right back to where we are now, more post here about what a person is doing outside?
Your thoughts are welcome.
Phillip
Anyone reading this thread in the future: If you would like to talk about what you are doing outside today or read more about what actual humans and not my bees are doing outside, please proceed to the outdoors section of the forum to find the new thread on that topic. Thank you.
Hopefully that will catch their eyes. :cheesy:
Post by: Ben Framed on December 09, 2021, 01:09:03 pm
Per your request, I am leaving the post as is and will be Starting a sister post in the outdoor section. :grin:
Phillip
UPDATE: Done
Now back to what are the bees doing outside.
Post by: jimineycricket on December 09, 2021, 08:45:29 pm
Post by: Ben Framed on December 09, 2021, 09:11:58 pm