Healthy Bees LLC patties - any info?

[tjc1]

Anyone know anything about this business/product? I suddenly started getting emails a month ago but can't find a thing anywhere on line other than their website...
healthybeesllc.com

[Anonimo22]

The contact us page for that group says;

PHONE
(786) 524-9200 (8.30AM-5 PM)
(561) 702-5432 (after hours)

FAX
(786) 524-9223

EMAIL
info@healthybeesllc.com

ADDRESS
1111 Kane Concourse
Suite 501
Bay Harbor Islands, FL 33154

BAY HARBOR (Islands), FLorida

So, I'm guessing you could ask a Florida beekeeping group near that area if they have had any dealings with that person, and if they trust them?

[Michael Bush]

I think it's a new company.  They are saying all the right things about their product.  I hope they are true.

[ed/La.]

Ask them for a sample. Tell them you will review their product on the bee forums.

[tjc1]

I got in touch by email and got an immediate response directly from the CEO, Lee Rosen - he also invited me to call him on the phone to answer any further questions; I include part of his response below. Seems that most of their business is with commercial beeks, but he did say that in the last few months they have had an uptick with orders from hobbyists/smaller scale beeks.

I ordered a box of the patties - odd looking, dark blue-green almost black from the spirulina. The bees were all over it as soon as it went in the hive and devour it rapidly. It will be interesting to see if it appears to help with over-wintering.

"Ted, Thank you for your interest. We have had an article in the AHPA newsletter and Bee Culture magazine. We are the Platinum Sponsor of Apimondia the world beekeeping conference in Montreal September 9-14.  I can say the true endorsements are from James Brubaker a beekeeper in Pennsylvania who runs 3200 hives or Bret Adee who is the largest beekeeper in the USA who runs 100,000 hives or Scott Hamilton who runs 18,000 hives in Idaho and Montana. All these beekeepers plus 10 other beekeepers who run 10,000 plus hives endorse our product by doing constant reorders all year long and using it on all their hives. After Apimondia the videos that we will be playing at Apimondia will be on our website and you will be able to see what James Brubaker says about our product."

[van from Arkansas]

Under the Healthy BeesTM effect, bees expressed fewer of the many genes responsible for the detoxification system, a strong indication that Healthy BeesTM was helping to detoxify the bees? systems.

The above statement is a copy and paste from Healthy Bees.

I reviewed the data posted by Healthy Bees.  The data demonstrates the 10 fold reduction [expressed fewer] of cytochrome.  Cytochromes are responsible for detoxing poisonous chemicals in the body, both bees and humans.  I am not convinced a reduction in cytochrome is a good thing, especially a 10 fold reduction.

So, I think I will pass on this health supplement.

Van

[FloridaGardener]

Hmm, I'm not sure what their statement means. 

In my own health lab reports (serum or blood tests), when IgG, IgE, or IgM is "expressed," then it means my immune system is reacting to an allergy/toxin/disease.  My immune system is thus on "red-alert," and is creating immunoglobulins to fight disease/irritants.

[van from Arkansas]

Florida, good afternoon.  I agree the data is difficult to digest as the company interprets the results, data, rather peculiarly.

Antibodies are different from the cytochromes.  Antibodies are part of an immune component, produced by white blood cells as you mentioned some specific antibodies.  Cytochromes  are produced by the liver, in humans, in Fat Body in bees and are responsible for detoxification of chemicals.  I realize antibodies can also detoxify venoms, which some might confuse venom as detox chemicals.    It has been a long time since I studied immunology, or biochemistry so please excuse my generalized terms.

Van

[FloridaGardener]

Yes, it would be great to have more input on the data. 

Here's this 2 cents: 
         1. I would voluntarily eat everything they claim is in this supplement. So I wouldn't shy away at feeding it to livestock that makes my food from enzymes from that livestock's biosystem.
         2. Shipping aside, small orders are $4 per pound.  That's what I pay for hummus, mini-peppers, or organic grapes. Human vitamins & supplements are +/- ten times the cost.   
         3. If I'm going to supplement my livestock, I'd choose the least contaminated/most nutritious. Provided the bees will eat their vegetables.
         4.  It needs to be kept cool and has an expiration date.  It's real food.
         4-1/2. I knew a guy that ate spirulina daily and could do one armed pushups.   
  Maybe the girls can get more done with spirulina.

[van from Arkansas]

spirulina is a super protein rich food.  Microscopic blue green algae.  Could be argued as the basic of ocean food chain.  Sold in powder, pill , liquid supplements.  Watch your B12, spirulina produces an analog (close to real thing but modified) of B12 that is not digestible by humans.  This analog may block the real B12 from your cellular intake.  Being studied as I write.  I know of not any single source food that offers so many proteins as the blue green algae.  I don?t eat the algae except in oysters.  I?ll take a rib-eye instead.

Van