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Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« on: August 23, 2023, 08:30:08 am »
I was at my local hardware store yesterday and one of the employees noticed my bee signs on my truck and he started up a conversation. One thing that he asked was the subject line. He said he saw it on Facebook and even pulled it up. He said that the metal destroys the medicinal qualities of the honey.
I have never heard this and told him that.
Has anyone ever heard of this.
I suspect said it and it now is being spread on Facebook which makes people believe it is true.
Personally I don?t think it is true.
What are your thoughts?
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2023, 08:49:07 am »
stainless 318, no.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2023, 09:41:41 am »
I don't know about medicinal qualities, but while stainless doesn't seem to change honey any, galvanized will make it taste metallic and aluminum may make it taste metallic.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2023, 09:50:12 am »
All of my extraction equipment is stainless steel and I assume it is 304 or better because it never has rusted.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2023, 10:03:42 am »
Good point paus.  My bottler is stainless also..

I will add this to Michaels post; It may be an 'old wives tale' but when I was small we were told we were not leave a silver spoon in the jelly. As we all know, silver will naturally tarnish. Leaving a 'silver' spoon in 'might' add change concerning 'taste'.
Even if the taste changes, does it mean medicinal qualities in 'honey' are lost? 
The feed store guy 'might' have confused fact with fiction concerning metal spoons, by making a blanket statement concerning metal spoons in general. And that part friends is just a guess. lol. 
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2023, 01:13:30 pm »
I just got the same question from a someone too, and I'd never heard anything about it before either.  Apparently there is something going around about how metal will break down the beneficial enzymes in honey.  I did a little looking around and it's technically possible, since honey is acidic, but not with stainless, and even with other metals the reaction would take WAY longer than the amount of time honey is on a spoon. 
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2023, 01:22:34 pm »
Absolutely... Hold that honey on a non-stainless spoon for 150 to 200 years and it will definitely change it's properties.

Also, it was been proven, back in the 1970's, bacon causes cancer. Further research revealed you only had to eat something like 250 lb. daily for 350 years to get cancer from bacon.

Be careful, there's a lot of deadly stuff out there.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2023, 02:14:50 pm »
Thanks everyone, the next time I see him I will let him know.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2023, 02:39:18 pm »
Honey is acidic (about 3.2 to 4.5). Any metal that is reactive will obviously be impacted by exposure to it. As to how it impacts on its medicinal qualities is an interesting question. A mate of mine has some honey stored in metal drums. He harvested it in 1974. It is now black in colour and has a strong metallic taste. The inside of the drums are basically rusting away.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2023, 03:02:04 pm »
I received a glass jar of honey a few years back that was harvested back about the 70's. It, too, was solid black. I did not taste it, but it was not in contact with any metal as the jar had been on a shelf upright all those years.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2023, 04:39:36 pm »
Quote from: iddee on August 23, 2023, 01:22:34 pm
Absolutely... Hold that honey on a non-stainless spoon for 150 to 200 years and it will definitely change it's properties.

Also, it was been proven, back in the 1970's, bacon causes cancer. Further research revealed you only had to eat something like 250 lb. daily for 350 years to get cancer from bacon.

Be careful, there's a lot of deadly stuff out there.


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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2023, 08:16:52 am »
Quote from: iddee on August 23, 2023, 01:22:34 pm
Also, it was been proven, back in the 1970's, bacon causes cancer.
No Wally not the bacon it is the chemicals that are put in bacon to cure and preserve it.  Pretty much all cold cut meats.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2023, 10:21:44 am »
Ace, YES, the curing chemicals are what makes it bacon. Without them, it wouldn't be bacon.

That's like saying whiskey won't make you drunk. It's the alcohol in it that does.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2023, 11:10:45 am »
Quote from: iddee on August 24, 2023, 10:21:44 am
Ace, YES, the curing chemicals are what makes it bacon. Without them, it wouldn't be bacon.

That's like saying whiskey won't make you drunk. It's the alcohol in it that does.
BINGO ! we have a winner !

And thanks so much to Ace for the mental image of bacon being a cold cut ... slap a few slices straight out of the package on some bread and bite down ... gak ! :cheesy:
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2023, 12:24:50 pm »
Quote from: iddee on August 24, 2023, 10:21:44 am
Ace, YES, the curing chemicals are what makes it bacon. Without them, it wouldn't be bacon.

That's like saying whiskey won't make you drunk. It's the alcohol in it that does.
Not so Wally.  You can buy uncured bacon and bacon that has no nitrates added.  It is still bacon, taste better, much more healthy for you.  The down side is it will spoil quicker and costs more.
Alcoholic drinks have the same issue.  You can add stuff to your mead but it will never taste as good as mead that doesn't have additives.  And in the case of sulfates it is less likely to give you a head ache.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2023, 03:30:11 pm »
First, I have made bacon. The curing changes it from belly fat or fatback to bacon. NO, it is not bacon until it is cured.

You shouldn't even be discussing alcoholic drinks if you don't know the difference in whiskey and mead. If you take the alcohol out of either of them, you won't have the drink it was. Quit being foolish and admit you goofed.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2023, 03:49:21 pm »
There are also carcinogens in wood smoke. As far as I'm concerned, if it ain't smoked, it ain't bacon.

also ...When you grill meat, that nice smelling smoke contains polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons .. carcinogenic.

wanna bake a loaf of bread? don't breathe that flour dust, carcinogenic.

Alcohol is classed as a group 1 carcinogen.

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never made bacon, but have made wines, mead, and whiskey ... and they are different. If it's not alcoholic and is carbonated, it's soda ... or a "coke" if you're in Alabama. No alcohol or carbonation in an "alcoholic flavor"... it's an abomination.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2023, 06:54:24 pm »
Quote from: animal on August 24, 2023, 03:49:21 pm
If it's not alcoholic and is carbonated, it's soda ... or a "coke" if you're in Alabama.
People do that around here too, call every soda "coke". 
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2023, 07:17:41 pm »
lol
In my part of Mississippi, we call a Coke a Coke, a Dr Pepper a Dr Pepper, Pepsi a Pepsi etc. It is only the new folks who are moving in, (Usually from the North or West), who refer to soft drinks as sodas.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2023, 09:48:30 pm »
Ha ! I grew up with "pop"... (pop rouge was strawberry) ..
Grandpa also called it pop because he grew up with actual pop bottles (sometimes soda-water). Parents were like you, Ben. Wife is a military brat and I got soda from her  :cheesy:
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2023, 09:57:54 pm »
Animal, When I was a kid we had a girl move here, (to our school), from Michigan. She also called it pop. I haven?t thought of that in years.

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2023, 10:44:31 pm »
This got me thinking about my granddad. He told me they called it pop or soda pop because to open it you would "pop" the wire sticking out of the top to "knock the cork inside"... Never actually seen one ...so I tried to look it up ... took awhile ... apparently it wasn't a cork, but a metal disc with a rubber seal and called a "Hutchenson stopper".
My kids were nuts for Ramune .. stoppered with a marble in kinda the same way ... turns out this is a version of a pop bottle popular in the UK and Australia back in the day. (Codd bottle)
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2023, 11:26:10 pm »
I had never seen this Animal. Thumbs Up...
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2023, 10:15:53 am »
    And do you remember calling the local store and asking if they had "pop in a can"?
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2023, 03:13:03 pm »
"THE" can , Jimmy ... and never a call .. in person to the cashier :grin: .. get to see the look on their face that way, and sometimes learn new words as a kid. Prince Albert gag too ... buying tobacco as a 6 year old .. all you had to do was say your dad sent you to pick it up and you were golden .. never worked with beer, tho.

I wonder if Ace has realized yet that his "uncured bacon" is partially cured ... by being "seasoned" with celery juice powder and salt

Celery juice powder is high in nitrates ... if fermented with natural bacteria before drying, high in nitrites too .. and still considered a "seasoning" :wink:
gotta read them packages ...
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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2023, 08:53:52 am »
Quote from: animal on August 25, 2023, 03:13:03 pm
I wonder if Ace has realized yet that his "uncured bacon" is partially cured ... by being "seasoned" with celery juice powder and salt
It is always about concentration isn't it?  You need water and salt to live but you can drink and eat enough to kill you.
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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2023, 10:58:30 am »
Cancer is more about odds and chance. You can increase or decrease your odds, but you can't escape the dice rolls. One guy might smoke a pack of cigs every day of his life and die at 90 in a car wreck. Another 25 year old might have never smoked and die of lung cancer. Both beat the odds, or won the lottery so to speak.
All we can do is place our bets according to what we want and are willing to give up, decide if the odds are worth it ... and roll 'em.
That goes for pretty much everything, not just cancer. Ultimately, death is the only life experience that's guaranteed.  :grin:
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2023, 11:51:33 am »
Quote from: animal on August 26, 2023, 10:58:30 am
Ultimately, death is the only life experience that's guaranteed.  :grin:
Evading your taxes, animal?  :wink: :cheesy:
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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2023, 12:09:24 pm »
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I would like to lodge an official complaint !  This site desperately needs the emoji with the halo above it !  :wink:

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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2023, 09:06:10 am »
Quote from: animal on August 26, 2023, 10:58:30 am
Cancer is more about odds and chance. You can increase or decrease your odds, but you can't escape the dice rolls. One guy might smoke a pack of cigs every day of his life and die at 90 in a car wreck. Another 25 year old might have never smoked and die of lung cancer. Both beat the odds, or won the lottery so to speak.
All we can do is place our bets according to what we want and are willing to give up, decide if the odds are worth it ... and roll 'em.
That goes for pretty much everything, not just cancer. Ultimately, death is the only life experience that's guaranteed.  :grin:
Except that intelligence and taking heed greatly increases life expectancy.  No guarantees on an individual basis but exceptional outcomes on a statistical basis.
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Re: Does putting a metal spoon in real honey damage it?
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2023, 09:45:31 am »
Quote from: animal on August 26, 2023, 12:09:24 pm
:cheesy:

I would like to lodge an official complaint !  This site desperately needs the emoji with the halo above it !  :wink:

"When the federal government uses tax money to further the destruction of the nation, it is the patriotic duty of every citizen to avoid paying taxes." (not gonna cite source)

and pretty sure "avoid" was used for legal reasons ... :grin:

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I have a Mac PC and I do not doubt you Reagan. So far I've not had any trouble using emojis offered on my PC, but I do not seek those often..
The halo works fine from the PC or iPhone.. The one I posted above was from my phone. This one is from my PC...
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I have a Mac PC and I do not doubt you Reagan. So far I've not had any trouble using emojis offered on my PC, but I do not seek those often..
The halo works fine from the PC or iPhone.. The one I posted above was from my phone. This one is from my PC...
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Quote from: The15thMember on August 27, 2023, 01:11:29 pm
Quote from: Ben Framed on August 27, 2023, 12:41:33 pm
I have a Mac PC and I do not doubt you Reagan. So far I've not had any trouble using emojis offered on my PC, but I do not seek those often..
The halo works fine from the PC or iPhone.. The one I posted above was from my phone. This one is from my PC...
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What I mean is a computer running Windows.  Generally Apple computers aren't referred to as PCs.  On my laptop (which I use about half the time for reading on Beemaster and almost all the time for posting) I can see the halo emoji, although it's not rendering in color.  But oftentimes all I can see is a box.   

The way I bring up emojis on my Mac PC by apple, is by simultaneously pressing 'option', 'command', and 'spacer bar'. From there is a wide assortment of emojis are offered ..
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« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2023, 02:35:15 pm »
Quote from: Acebird on August 27, 2023, 09:06:10 am
Except that intelligence and taking heed greatly increases life expectancy.  No guarantees on an individual basis but exceptional (measurable) outcomes on a statistical basis.
There, fixed it.  ... imo. ... started to say that I fully agreed with you but my internet went down and had time to think. (Xfinity sucks sometimes)
Maximizing time is fine if that's what you value most, but that's not the focus of everyone (not me, for sure). What I am for is for everyone to be well informed of risks so that they can make the best decisions  for themselves ... according to the things they value. That also requires clear and communicable definitions of things and processes to keep us honest with others and ourselves.

My generic hope for people is that they live their best life according to their own values without interfering with others living theirs. Personally, time has had little to with it in my life. Anyway, best to you.

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Beemaster, I was just kidding, but thanks.

I took it that you were kidding but the information might be helpful to someone in the future... 🤷🏻‍♂️ Can never tell. 😊







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2 Chronicles 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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