Where is vertical bee space - over or under frames

[Dora]

Interesting observation by Philip:

Now on the other hand during a 'heavy flow'; Even if just 'one' of the frames in the first honey super '3rd box' is not filled, even though the other 9 frames may be completely filled with honey, the queen will occasionally move up into that 3rd box (super box) and begin laying in that frame, (bur comb or not); Even when she has room in the bottom two brood boxes provided. And even if maintenance has been done rotating the brood chambers.
I am presuming this is why Austin brought up Queen excluders.. I used 9-1 as an example there could be more if the space is there.. And remember the bees also like to store pollen close to brood...

Phillip

And Michael Bush made me laugh with this:

Besides, she can't lay in a super because if she lays in it, it becomes a brood box.

[Acebird]

My personal preference is to have it cut with single bee space top and bottom.

If you do that you will have too much space when the boxes are stacked.  I believe the variation in bee space between bottom and top is more due to the varying size of the frames.  Boxes seem to be made the same but frames are all over the place.

[cao]

[  I believe the variation in bee space between bottom and top is more due to the varying size of the frames.  Boxes seem to be made the same but frames are all over the place.

 

I agree.  Frames are different depending on manufacturer.

[Michael Bush]

>I agree.  Frames are different depending on manufacturer.

They're not supposed to be, but they are.

[Acebird]

>I agree.  Frames are different depending on manufacturer.

They're not supposed to be, but they are.

You would think the bee community would have a seal of approval such that anything made outside of the agreed standard would not get the seal.  Eventually manufacturers not conforming would be weeded out.

[Michael Bush]

Someone should apply to ANSI to set the standards.  Then the manufacturers could claim to meet the standard.

[Occam]

Or we can just keep the government out of it as much as possible. Little bit of a hassle having different sizes, things not being uniform, but better than having more overlords haha

[Michael Bush]

ANSI is just a standards organization.  It's just a repository.  The only authority they really have is that you can't say you meet the ANSI standard if you don't meet the ANSI standard.  You can still make bee hives to any specs you like.  You just can't say they meet the standard if they don't.

[Occam]

Fair enough. It wouldn't be a bad thing if everyone built to the same standards forbsure

[animal]

Just at a glance, ANSI membership dues for either a company or educational (lowest cost) $1,200.00
accreditation application fee of $5,000.00 to become a "developer of standards"
possible other fees for submissions? ... dunno ...


Someone should ... but not me !

[Dora]

The burr is actually helpful to the bees as it provides more of a large area for the queen.  She easily moves from box to box if there is burr.  She hesitates if there's an actual gap.

Thanks, Michael Bush! That makes good sense too... and less work. 😉