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Offline TheFuzz

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Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« on: January 11, 2020, 08:41:45 am »
I have a 12 frame honey spinning extractor. Usually, I go to my bees, and take honey frames back home with me, put the frames in a heating room, then put the warmed frames in the spinner. I then have sticky frames on hand at home.

I want to take my 12 frame honey extractor with me, and set it up in a room next to the beehives. I won't have my heating room if I do this. The advantage is, I don't need to take the sticky frames back home with me, as soon as they're spinned, I can put them back in the beehive.

I'm fine with potentially not extracting as much honey, because I'll be giving it all back to the bees anyway. I'm concerned though, is it possible for me to have lower quality honey by doing it this way? I ask because, I'm under the impression that different components of honey is more inclined to go hard and not spin out easier, whereas some components are more likely to become a liquid (fructose?) and are more likely to pour out.

If it is important to heat the honey frames before extraction, could I make some sort of portable frame heater? I'm thinking of getting some bee boxs, a bottom and a lid, and stack them up with a heating light globe inside the boxs, perhaps attached to the lid. I could put the honey frames inside, and the light globe could heat it up. Could this be worth setting up?

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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2020, 09:25:02 am »
What temperature will it be at when you extract?  Those that extract in summer temperatures do not heat frames.  Also the type of honey might make a difference if it tends to crystallize.
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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2020, 06:38:55 pm »
The honey needs to be at least room temperature.  Ideally it should be 80 to 90 F.  But that isn't necessary.
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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2020, 08:03:50 pm »
The weather will be between about 83-113 for the next month or so. I'll be doing under a cool, shaded area though. Would it be better to do it on a hotter day then?

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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2020, 09:24:38 am »
The weather will be between about 83-113 for the next month or so. I'll be doing under a cool, shaded area though. Would it be better to do it on a hotter day then?
No, the process is hot enough.  Too warm and you blow out frames.
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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2020, 06:23:09 pm »
113 is bad news for extracting... 90 would be about my max.  80 is about ideal.
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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2021, 02:26:18 pm »
Would 75 be ok?

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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2021, 04:06:53 pm »
I think you will be OK in PA but you won't get as much out.
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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2021, 06:32:54 pm »
What is an easy way to heat them up without having to buy a bunch of equipment.? The problem is I was planning on extracting this weekend but after the tropical storm either the temps here or in the 70s. I think on Monday it?s supposed to be 80. Would an 80 outdoor temperature be OK?

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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2021, 07:16:20 pm »
I don't know about temperature for an extractor (I do crush and strain), but I just wanted to mention that if you are extracting outside, be sure that the bees don't have any way to get to the setup, or they will be all over the equipment and drowning in the honey. 
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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2021, 08:53:39 am »
I think on Monday it?s supposed to be 80.
It is worth waiting until Monday.  Keep in mind that if the frames are starting at 70 deg it is going to take hours to warm them up.  There are all kinds of warming boxes you can use as simple as a light bulb heat source.  The logistics is the volume of product to process.
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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2021, 10:25:05 am »
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Would an 80 outdoor temperature be OK?


Yes. Remember the cooler the temperature the more viscosity will be the honey. The thicker the honey, the more the need for a slower beginning spin for balance as well as preventing blow out if you are using wax foundation. If you use the temperature guides as suggested by Mr Bush you should have no trouble.

As The15thMember mentioned be sure to do the work in a place bees are excluded. (Such as a screened in porch for example). If not you will be overwhelmed.
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Re: Is it important to heat frames before extraction?
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2021, 09:33:01 am »
We have a honey room that is around 90 degrees this works really well. Not saying we enjoy it. We found out that load 20 frames and start it and go outside. Variable speed extractor is a great thing to have, it helps not to destroy the foundation by hard starts.  Frames are heavy and taken from 0 to higher speeds quickly can destroy them.  Wish you well. Tim
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