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Title: Foundationless brood frames
Post by: nella on April 29, 2009, 10:13:39 am
Should you put  horizontal wire in the brood frames if you don't use foundation?
  Thanks  Nella
Title: Re: Foundationless brood frames
Post by: Big John on April 29, 2009, 11:30:39 am
I use all foundation less frames and wire all my frames horizontal, it helps the comb be more stable while new, the bees will incorporate the wire into the comb and it will not be a problem.
Title: Re: Foundationless brood frames
Post by: Hethen57 on April 29, 2009, 02:18:09 pm
Just curious...and without opening a big debate on the merits, is the decision to go foundationless for convenience/to save money, or is it a modified "natural bee-top bar hive" philosophy?
Title: Re: Foundationless brood frames
Post by: Robo on April 29, 2009, 02:46:49 pm
Just curious...and without opening a big debate on the merits, is the decision to go foundationless for convenience/to save money, or is it a modified "natural bee-top bar hive" philosophy?

It is to allow a "more natural" approach


I wire all by foundationless frames as well.
Title: Re: Foundationless brood frames
Post by: Hethen57 on April 29, 2009, 03:02:20 pm
When you wire them, are they basically wired as if you were going to embed some wax foundation?
Title: Re: Foundationless brood frames
Post by: Robo on April 29, 2009, 04:00:49 pm
When you wire them, are they basically wired as if you were going to embed some wax foundation?

That is how I do it,  but you could probably get away with less wires if you wanted.   The top wire is the most critical.  Once they build the comb around the first wire,  the chance of comb failure is substantially reduce.
Title: Re: Foundationless brood frames
Post by: Hethen57 on April 29, 2009, 05:45:30 pm
I'd be interested in trying it.  I was doing a personal test between Plasticel and medium wax in my brood boxes and my first observations were that the bees built out the wax quicker.  I'd like to try going foundationless in a hive sometime and see how they do.
Title: Re: Foundationless brood frames
Post by: Michael Bush on April 29, 2009, 08:46:37 pm
>Should you put  horizontal wire in the brood frames if you don't use foundation?

http://www.bushfarms.com/beesfoundationless.htm#dowire