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Title: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 02, 2017, 11:06:26 pm
Hi Folks,

This might be "fun".

"I came here to tell you the truth, the good,... the bad,... and the ugly."

We all know "the big lies": The check is in the mail. Roll over. I love you. The dog ate my homework.

Recently we've all become too aware of the lies we've been told over the years. Some are whoppers. Others simply frustrating because we know they are lies. How can they say such things?

Let's recall some of those "unforgettable" little gems from the past. I want to see the ones that make us smile,... groan,... face palm. I want to see the big ones and the little ones. You can tell us who said it,... or wait to see who knows who said it. Try to only post one or two at a time. Post your best. We all know a ton of 'em, but give the next poster a chance to present his jewel. Too many all in the same post diminishes the impact of all of them.

I'll start out with a great one:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."
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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 02, 2017, 11:22:54 pm
: hands in air:
"Dunno Mummy... the fairys did it"

: accepting the 10 buck loan from a mate:
"THANKS Maate... see ya on payday"

: car keys from Dad: Saturday Night
"I'll only be an hour"
                                      Sunday Lunch
" Yeh yeh Dad, I'll wash the back seat this arvo"

Life... gotta love it!

--

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on September 02, 2017, 11:36:57 pm
You can keep your Doctor.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 03, 2017, 05:18:26 am
The income tax   "and others""  is only temporary.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: little john on September 03, 2017, 05:22:42 am
Lies ?  Does it get any bigger than this ?

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. (Declaration of Independence, 1776)

Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn, Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Thomas Lynch Jr, Arthur Middleton, John Hancock, Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll, George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson Jr, Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton, Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, George Taylor, Caesar Rodney, George Read, William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris, Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark, Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Stephen Hopkins, Oliver Wolcott.

But all the above signatories owned one or more slaves, in some cases several hundred.
LJ
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: beecanbee on September 03, 2017, 06:37:25 am
Though there is still time to do this....   :smile:

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Start winning again. "We're going to win so much -- win after win after win -- that you're going to be begging me: 'Please, Mr. President, let us lose once or twice. We can't stand it any more.' And I'm going to say: 'No way. We're going to keep winning. We're never going to lose. We're never, ever going to lose."
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 03, 2017, 07:17:34 am
Lies ?  Does it get any bigger than this ?

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. (Declaration of Independence, 1776)

(list edited)

But all the above signatories owned one or more slaves, in some cases several hundred.
LJ

..check the fine print LJ "they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, "
Thus one of "their" rights is the permission under "their" g0d to determine whom it is qualifies
as "men".
Of course the theme was universal amongst many of those expanionist nations in occupying
other lands, judging the indigenous as "savages".

Cheers.

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 03, 2017, 08:25:48 am

Sometimes "lies" are necessary to achieve a greater good. Sometimes lies unintentionally bring about a greater good. Sometimes lies are not about what we are, but what we want to be. An "ancient" society should not be judged by today's standards. Founding Fathers were men of their time. They espoused to something greater than they had, but the timing was all wrong. They created a document to get us there.

[size=12pt]"Do the people of the South really entertain fears that a Republican administration would, directly or indirectly, interfere with their slaves, or with them, about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you, as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears."

?I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races?that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.?

Abraham Lincoln[/size]

I don't forget that Lincoln freed ONLY the slaves of the rebel states. The northern states got to keep their slaves,... for a while.

My opinion only.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: little john on September 03, 2017, 09:11:19 am
Lies ?  Does it get any bigger than this ?

Quote
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. (Declaration of Independence, 1776)

(list edited)

But all the above signatories owned one or more slaves, in some cases several hundred.
LJ

..check the fine print LJ "they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, "
Thus one of "their" rights is the permission under "their" g0d to determine whom it is qualifies
as "men".
Of course the theme was universal amongst many of those expanionist nations in occupying
other lands, judging the indigenous as "savages".

Cheers.

Bill

Naaah - not buying that - it clearly says, "We hold these truths  ... ALL men ..." - not men our god approves of, or qualified in any other way - "just white men" etc., as is often proposed.

And "We" - as in 'the undersigned'.  The document went through several drafts before it was finally agreed upon - so they knew exactly what they were saying - or ought to have done.

In a very real sense, America (as an independent country) was actually founded upon this issue of Race and Colour - an issue which still exists to this very day.  It hasn't gone away - it still hasn't been reconciled.

So the F-F were lying. Just like politicians do.  That's their stock-in-trade. Don't get me started on our lot - they're probably the worst of all.  Britain got rich on Slavery, on peddling narcotics to China, and subjugating India.   Britain's working classes weren't treated very well either. It took a World War to begin the process of change over here, and there's still a helluva long way to go.

Come the revolution ....
LJ
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: little john on September 04, 2017, 04:35:12 am
Just in case anyone should think I'm being anti-American - here's another example concerning the same issue, during the same period of history, only now on this side of the Atlantic ...

The BIG name associated with the Abolition of Slavery over here in Britain was a guy named William Wilberforce, who was the major driving force behind the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act, 1807.
Following the passing of that Act, the Royal Navy began intercepting Slave Ships on the high seas but, rather than transporting their pressed cargo back to their countries of origin and releasing them there, instead carried those unfortunates to Sierra Leone where they were purchased by Wilberforce who had set up that Colony in 1808 on the premise that former slaves and white men could live and work together there as equals. Indeed, they were no longer termed 'Slaves', but were made 'Apprentices' - without their consent - for 14 years instead, and duly held in irons should they attempt escape. Wilberforce kept some 'Apprentices' for work in the colony, but sold others to neighbouring landowners, where they were returned to their former slave labour. Insodoing, the great abolitionist had himself become a slave-trader.

It was only after the first Crown Governor of Sierra Leone was appointed, one 25 year-old Lt. Thomas Perronet Thompson, that this extraordinary practice began to be exposed to the Colonial Office, as Wilberforce had refused to discuss it with him. However, that disclosure was to result in Thompson's dismissal ... at Wilberforce's request.  The Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 followed in due course, which finally eliminated such 'irregularities'.

So - was Wilberforce 'lying' ?  I guess it all depends on what one means by the word 'lying'.  We often talk of a person "living a lie" when they deceive others for any length of time, so I'd suggest "Yes, he was".

LJ
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 04, 2017, 09:10:16 am
All politicians lie and all politicians work for themselves first and if we are lucky enough work for their constituents next.  Some never work for who they represent.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 04, 2017, 05:37:48 pm
""All politicians lie and all politicians work for themselves first and if we are lucky enough work for their constituents next.  Some never work for who they represent.""

Golly, Gee, Ace. You finally got something right. Now you know why we elected a non-politicion who is working for us. I just hope you can let it soak in and get on the boat with us.   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 04, 2017, 08:17:26 pm
"Global Warming,...Climate Change,... Climate Disruption,... IS man made.

And the government has to tax and spend to solve it."

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 04, 2017, 08:44:11 pm
Salvo, you need to ask admin for a sarcasm smilie.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 04, 2017, 09:32:30 pm
Now you know why we elected a non-politicion who is working for us. I just hope you can let it soak in and get on the boat with us.
Hey, I would be right there with you if he wasn't a carpet bagger.  This why the south can't give up the term darn Yankee.  It keeps happening to them.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 04, 2017, 10:03:55 pm
NO, NO. A yankee comes down and goes back. A dam yankee comes and stays. He's just a plain yankee. Of course, so was George Washington.

You've starting to wise up. You just have a ways to go.   :tongue:   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 04, 2017, 10:52:53 pm
A dam yankee comes and stays.

I very well know this.  I worked in textiles for 11 years.  Many southerners were my friend, they knew I was going home.  You do know the turd lives in FL?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 06:18:09 am
You do??    :angry:   :cheesy:     
Trump lives in New York and goes to Florida only to return to New York, where the majority of his belongings are.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 05, 2017, 09:02:38 am
You do??    :angry:   :cheesy:     
Trump lives in New York and goes to Florida only to return to New York, where the majority of his belongings are.

Trump lives in FL and visits the White House.  His wife lived in NY with their kid.  She is eye candy for the turd.  Melania has since moved to Washington with her son most likely in separate rooms from the Donny.  Security for the tower in NY and the golf course in FL is destroying any chance of a balanced budget and it is just one way the thief is stealing from the American people.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 11:19:13 am
Poor, poor Ace.
In the rain, he sees the likelihood of drowning.
In the sun, he sees sunburn.
I am sure glad I have a more positive eyesight on life than that. He is so pitiful.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 05, 2017, 12:29:59 pm
Please get back on topic, guys.   Pretty please?  With sugar on it?  I keep coming to this thread to see some new lie only to be disappointed.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on September 05, 2017, 12:41:59 pm
I'm from the government and I'm here to help you...




       BEE HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 05, 2017, 12:44:08 pm
Ace knows what he's talking about. . .
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on September 05, 2017, 12:57:32 pm
Ace knows what he's talking about. . .

Your perception is your reality. whether it is true or not




            BEE Happy Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 05, 2017, 02:44:25 pm
Ace knows what he's talking about. . .

Your perception is your reality. whether it is true or not


That's very zen.  Is that a lie?

            BEE Happy Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 03:05:44 pm
This new SS tax will be totally volunteer. You can contribute or not, your choice.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 03:06:45 pm
NO, Iraq will not be another Viet Nam.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on September 05, 2017, 05:13:53 pm
NO, Iraq will not be another Viet Nam.

That was a real whopper! :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on September 05, 2017, 05:15:52 pm

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."



This was the first one came to my mind. :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 05, 2017, 05:27:21 pm
I keep coming to this thread to see some new lie only to be disappointed.

I refuse to waste my time writing them all.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on September 05, 2017, 05:42:34 pm
Brian,
You picked a good on for lies,  The NY Times.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 06:13:49 pm
Brian, I told you in a prior post. You can source the biggest lies with less typing than that. Just like this.

https://www.nytimes.com/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 05, 2017, 09:06:11 pm
Brian, I told you in a prior post. You can source the biggest lies with less typing than that. Just like this.

https://www.nytimes.com/

I am not one for believing what I am told.  Just go down through the turds campaign promises.  I don't think there has ever been a politician that has lied more and he claims not to be a politician.  Oops there is another lie.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 05, 2017, 09:49:02 pm
""I don't think there has ever been a politician that has lied more and he claims not to be a politician.  Oops there is another lie.""

Hey, now you have added one to the OP. That statement is one of the biggest ever told. He is carrying out his campaign promises better than any other pres in our lifetime, in spite of more anti-Americans going against him than any other in the same period.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 05, 2017, 11:00:23 pm
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 09:49:28 am
He is carrying out his campaign promises better than any other pres in our lifetime, in spite of more anti-Americans going against him than any other in the same period.
He has produced a lot of executive orders which have gone no where.  The president should be a leader not a dictator.  The position has very limited power unless the American people or congress get on his side.  Both have turned away.  Yes, there is a minority of people who are still in denial.  The result of his presidency is going to be a whiplash to the left.  These whiplashes are what the country doesn't need.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Hops Brewster on September 06, 2017, 10:56:31 am
He is carrying out his campaign promises better than any other pres in our lifetime, in spite of more anti-Americans going against him than any other in the same period.
He has produced a lot of executive orders which have gone no where.  The president should be a leader not a dictator.  The position has very limited power unless the American people or congress get on his side.  Both have turned away.  Yes, there is a minority of people who are still in denial.  The result of his presidency is going to be a whiplash to the left.  These whiplashes are what the country doesn't need.

So true, witness what occurred to elect Obama, and then the backlash that got Trump elected.    As long as this country continues to elect the Left and Right extremists, we shall continue to be at each others' throats.

As in every aspect of live, moderation is key.  Extremism leads to destruction.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 11:05:29 am
""The result of his presidency is going to be a whiplash to the left""

If that is true, you liberals should be encouraging him to continue on, not fighting everything he tries to do.

I love his latest move. DACA  He says he wants DACA, but wants it done legally. Congress can get off it's sorry butt and do it legally or he will let the people know that they refused to do their job and the dreamers have to go. All because of the uselessness of the left side of congress.  It's beautiful.

Yes, he produces a lot of executive orders that have been challenged, but got results without them ever being executed. Now there is no executive order and no  more challenge, but the job got done. That's what I call a smart operation.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 06, 2017, 01:09:20 pm
Emoticon didn't work.  Oh, well.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 02:16:59 pm
Yes, he produces a lot of executive orders that have been challenged, but got results without them ever being executed.
Exactly what results have got done?  DACA is not done.  If it does get done Trump is going to lose a lot of employees in his businesses.  A difficult solution to get done by congress in 6 months.  Good luck with that.  That stands as much a chance of happening as removing Obamma Care.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on September 06, 2017, 02:20:08 pm
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

"bees will only work up"

"feeding bees can't hurt"
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 04:21:18 pm
@Michael
Didja ever hear the one uttered....
"...the Editor knows best"
                                        :cheesy:

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 04:45:16 pm
Volunteer deportations have reduced the welfare load by millions of dollars since he came in.
Threats always work better than action, and cost a lot less.

If the H-Y could do it illegally with the stroke of a pen in minutes, Congress should be able to do it legally in 6 months. If not, I guess it will show their incompetence.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 05:11:58 pm
@iddee

... an' what has the voluntry withdrawal of migration to the USA
cost you guys, ol' fella?
The fallout from this period in USA history won't touchdown for
years yet... but there will be pain, eventually ;-(

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 05:43:40 pm
At 72 years old, how much should I worry about what happens years from now. Especially since, without this action, the US may not exist years from now.
The US at the moment is like a hive being robbed out. Either get a robber screen on or the hive will be gone.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 06:04:46 pm
So at 72 you would know what Castro cost you... years missed tokin'  on
fine tobacco rolled 'tween the breasts of dusky young maidens.
That "musk of the jungle" lost in your lifetime :-}

As a generalisation it is the fat cats of US business who have lost sight (and touch) of their roots.
The BS from Doddles is mere rhetoric, well founded/researched sure, but as genuine as the love
puppies his trophy wife sports.
Your progeny will pay for his time in a world he does not understand, maybe you could tell them
how you feel...?... add that to your sig.lines?...heh
I know I find it difficult (embarassing) explaining World Order to my G'kids... when they can drag
themselves away from Minecraft!


Cheers.

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 06:49:35 pm
Did you actually say something there, or was it just garbled static?

Hey, Ace, get back here. Even you make more sense than he does.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 07:16:18 pm
At 72 years old, how much should I worry about what happens years from now.

There in lies the problem with the Donny and most republicans.  They only think of themselves and could care what happens to their kids.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 07:25:54 pm
Can you only read one line, Ace?  Without this action from MR. TRUMP, our kids won't need to be worried about. They won't have a US to live in. The destruction is well under way.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 08:48:00 pm
Can you only read one line, Ace?  Without this action from MR. TRUMP, our kids won't need to be worried about. They won't have a US to live in. The destruction is well under way.
Trump is screwing your kids and mine.  The thought of what he has done to your grand kids is sickening.  Unless you are one of the one percent.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 09:19:08 pm
You must be talking about great, great grandkids. Grand and great grand were screwed during the last 8 years. If he does damage to any, it will be to G,G, Gkids, while trying to save the G and G Grand that the libs have already destroyed.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 09:26:40 pm
You must be talking about great, great grandkids.

Walley are you a family of rabbits? :-)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 09:29:29 pm
Ace, study a bit. 3 plus generations is what it would take to pay off the H-Y's deficit. Then you can start looking for someone to pay Trump's.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 09:31:36 pm
You have used the H-Y's term before and I can't figure out what it is.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 09:37:06 pm
If you aren't qualified to be white, and ain't qualified to be black, you are known as a high-yellow. That just means your parents weren't good enough to find anyone of their own race to mate with, so they just hopped in bed with whatever would have them.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 09:54:26 pm
You have used the H-Y's term before and I can't figure out what it is.

Crikey... I "got it" and from 10, 000 miles away!
It is highly bigoted use of reference, so lucky we are a
friendly lot, us b'keeps ;-))

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 09:58:38 pm

Did you actually say something there, or was it just garbled static?


heh... how Doddles is "making America great 'gin", single syllable catch phrases
delivered very very slowly!
Hey, have you noticed how it is Kim Jong-un claps his audience in exactly the
same manner as Doddles... slow, loud, patronising "pats on the head" style.

https://m.you  tube.com/watch?v=qnLabOHyz2Y

Quote

Hey, Ace, get back here. Even you make more sense than he does.

..... be careful of what you wish for, heh heh ;-D


Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 10:04:05 pm
From one bigot to another, Welcome.   :cool:

""By using this term they create what I call an infinite loop of intolerance.

If someone is accused of bigotry then the accusing party must also be intolerant of the accused persons intolerance; therefore, it is self evident that the term bigot in a sense, can not actually exist in a free society or open debate because of it's self-destructive, self-imploding and hypocritical nature.""



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bigot


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 06, 2017, 10:14:21 pm
Gees Walley that hurts.  My grand mother was impregnated by a GI who cut and ran.  She took her son, my father here to America to marry a Canadian she didn't know.  My father got his citizenship by fighting the Germans in Italy.  You would think they would have put him in the south pacific seeing as how he came from Germany.  There is no telling what my DNA would reveal.  Our whole family as we know it is white but if it came up some percentage of black, yellow, brown or green it wouldn't make a difference to me because what my grandmother gave me by what she did is US citizenship.  And for that she is my greatest American hero.  She got her citizenship after working her ass off for forty years for a benevolent Jew.  We all were very proud when she pledged allegiance to the flag.
This country is made up of a mixture of every race in the world.  It is the only thing that makes us great.  It is not our money or our power that makes us great and it darn sure isn't because we are white.  To give up on what we have accomplished in humanity will be the end of an empire.
The Trump wall which will be no more than a racket ball fence in certain areas will be covered with graffiti on the American side and urinated on by the Mexicans digging a hole underneath it until it eventually disintegrates.  Only a moron could come up with such a idea after Russia already tried it.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 10:25:23 pm
Ace, again you don't seem to study very hard. We were taught there are 3 races on earth. Caucasion, Negroid, and Oriental.

I have nothing against any of them. I do have something against the parents of any of them who are mixed between those 3 if it were done willingly and purposely, without need or pressure.

As for the term, it was a widely used term when I was growing up here, and was used to shame the parents more than the child.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 06, 2017, 10:31:04 pm
Do you folks not know any LIES? This thread is about LIES! Hit and run LIES.

I'm a relative newbee here, but Mother of Jesus... LIES! Not conversation! LIES!

I'll give you an example.

To say that man is not responsible for climate change is to deny settled science.

BUT,...

How dare you say anyone is a MALE or a FEMALE?

Isn't there a "science" behind "gender"?


LIES!

Cis-gender Sal 

I post this with all due respect for you older folks. I am not a hater. Mea maxima culpa. (Big smiley face here.) :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 10:39:33 pm
Do you folks not know any LIES? This thread is about LIES! Hit and run LIES.

I'm a relative newbee here, but Mother of Jesus... LIES! Not conversation! LIES!

I'll give you an example.

To say that man is not responsible for climate change is to deny settled science.

BUT,...

How dare you say anyone is a MALE or a FEMALE?

Isn't there a "science" behind "gender"?


LIES!

Cis-gender Sal 

I post this with all due respect for you older folks. I am not a hater. Mea maxima culpa. (Big smiley face here.) :wink:

HEH... it goes with the territory maaaate, these threads always go belly up
as the dialogue running rampant is all some know. So it is those folk feel 'safe'
in displayed intelligence... especially the quoters bereft of independant thought
processes.
Yeh.. beats me why too :wink:

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 06, 2017, 10:40:33 pm
@iddee

Huh..?... why shame anyone based on genetics?
It's content/commitment/contribution that counts, surely...no?

BTW... the first to drag out a manual/bible/dictionary as creds
in a debate loses. Instant disqualification, like..heh

  : slow clap:

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 06, 2017, 10:45:58 pm
OK. You win. I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 07, 2017, 12:28:40 am
I like it when a thread goes down the gutter. Keeps me entertained.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 07, 2017, 06:23:55 am
He is carrying out his campaign promises better than any other pres in our lifetime, in spite of more anti-Americans going against him than any other in the same period.
He has produced a lot of executive orders which have gone no where.  The president should be a leader not a dictator.  The position has very limited power unless the American people or congress get on his side.  Both have turned away.  Yes, there is a minority of people who are still in denial.  The result of his presidency is going to be a whiplash to the left.  These whiplashes are what the country doesn't need.


So true, witness what occurred to elect Obama, and then the backlash that got Trump elected.    As long as this country continues to elect the Left and Right extremists, we shall continue to be at each others' throats.

As in every aspect of live, moderation is key.  Extremism leads to destruction.

For once I agree with Hops, (or maybe the other way round) I have always advocated pulling in from the extreme left or right, for those leanings could lead to disaster! Do we wish to return to the Thirties? Listening iddee? I don't want my grandchildren to live through what my father had to. :sad:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 07, 2017, 06:30:36 am
OK. You win. I have no problem with that.

It's the Innernetz ol' timer.. there aint no winners :-))))

Thanks for the yike tho', you engage well... promise I'll keep
my two bits to myself in further baits.. heh

Cheerio....

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 07, 2017, 07:34:14 am
If you aren't qualified to be white, and ain't qualified to be black, you are known as a high-yellow. That just means your parents weren't good enough to find anyone of their own race to mate with, so they just hopped in bed with whatever would have them.
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iddee
Are you extracting the urine or are you an out and out Racist? The next time you are in hospital will you refuse treatment from "you are known as a high-yellow. That just means your parents weren't good enough to find anyone of their own race to mate with, so they just hopped in bed with whatever would have them". Doctor/Nurse? Please don't play the freedom of speech card and the "I was only answering a question GOC. Either you posted to wind people up or you really believe in the Thirties Germany. You make me feel :embarassed: for you.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 07, 2017, 07:41:53 am
OK. You win. I have no problem with that.

It's the Innernetz ol' timer.. there aint no winners :-))))

Thanks for the yike tho', you engage well... promise I'll keep
my two bits to myself in further baits.. heh

Cheerio....

Bill

Why? He just lives for it :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 07, 2017, 08:08:14 am
Cider, does ALL the history you have ever posted reflect your personal feelings? As I stated, I have nothing against any race, nor the half breeds. It's the parents that made the half breeds that I have an opinion of, and yes, it's a negative opinion. It is not the race, nor group, nor the individual victim of the action. It's the ones who acted to make that individual that I am against.
Now tell me you don't dislike a person on earth because of something they did, no matter the group they associate with. If you say that, it will fit well in this thread, "biggest lies".  Just think Trump.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 07, 2017, 08:10:16 am
We were taught there are 3 races on earth. Caucasion, Negroid, and Oriental.

Which one is Adam or Eve?  How about the Ape?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 07, 2017, 08:22:41 am
I have nothing against any race, nor the half breeds. It's the parents that made the half breeds that I have an opinion of,

Walley, that contradicts all logic.  You made a statement that people couple with a different race because they are not good enough for the race they are.  That defies logic.

Quote
I have nothing against any race,

Now we are on topic...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 07, 2017, 08:38:07 am
So, are you saying individuals cannot be better or worse than other individuals in their own group? Now THAT defies logic.
I like whites, blacks, and orientals. I do not like the individuals who mix them up. That is not prejudiced against anyone. It's disliking the actions of individuals.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 07, 2017, 09:22:58 am
That is not prejudiced against anyone.

LOL it certainly is Walley.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 07, 2017, 09:32:52 am
OK, then it is not nearly as prejudiced as you are against Trump.
If you can hate an individual because of their actions, so can I.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 07, 2017, 09:49:13 am
But his actions have a direct effect on my future.  When he was a TV actor I could care less what he did.  His actions have destroyed 100 years of progress for Americans in the eyes of the world.  If you were to travel abroad you would carry that shame.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 07, 2017, 10:13:53 am
Hey, OP, I think we have a winner here. I can't think of one that would top that one, so I'll leave the thread and hope it gets back on track.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on September 07, 2017, 02:40:38 pm
But his actions have a direct effect on my future.  When he was a TV actor I could care less what he did.  His actions have destroyed 100 years of progress for Americans in the eyes of the world.  If you were to travel abroad you would carry that shame.
Brian,
You mean Obama set America back a 100 years of progress. That is why he was put in office by George Soros. He hates America.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 07, 2017, 05:15:10 pm
But his actions have a direct effect on my future.  When he was a TV actor I could care less what he did.  His actions have destroyed 100 years of progress for Americans in the eyes of the world.  If you were to travel abroad you would carry that shame.

Ace
I would think it is time to pull the plug on iddee in more ways than one . He has gone so far off scale he's as I used to say, dropped off the edge. One could say good riddance!!

Ace
As of your above quote I don't think iddee and his ilk realize what contempt DT is held around the world. The western world used to look to the president of US for a modicum of leadership.....but from a clown? Still love the country, but not the clown nominally in charge.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 07, 2017, 07:16:36 pm
We felt the same way about the last president. A junior senator, wet behind the ears, and proved it most every day he was in office.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 08, 2017, 07:16:29 am
We felt the same way about the last president. A junior senator, wet behind the ears, and proved it most every day he was in office.
You're probably right but I think Obama was a far better orator
r and could carry more people with him. Would you want government policy by tweet? Can you imagine the dialogue between the fat guy in NK and your clown?  Keyboards at the ready ......go!  Dosn't' not bear thinking about.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Hops Brewster on September 08, 2017, 01:04:55 pm
Obama was really good at reading a teleprompter.  Without the TP, not so much. 
When he had to ad-lib he could hardly form a sentence.
Orator... not so much.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 08, 2017, 01:38:55 pm
He was also good at bowing to other world leaders. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170908/728869d20dceaf4ffbec57bb0f8b2b8c.jpg)

Let's not forget the red line in Syria.

Really respected around the world. . .
What a joke!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on September 08, 2017, 05:04:29 pm
Ace, again you don't seem to study very hard. We were taught there are 3 races on earth. Caucasion, Negroid, and Oriental.

Iddee, I was taught the same thing. It is actually one of the biggest lies we were taught in school. Any research you do on this subject will show that there is no such thing as races amongst Homo sapiens. Scripture teaches that we are all the descendants of one mother and modern mitochondrial genetic science shows that we all descended from one mother in East Africa.

Every human on earth is kinfolks.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on September 08, 2017, 06:17:43 pm
herbhome
Quote
Iddee, I was taught the same thing. It is actually one of the biggest lies we were taught in school. Any research you do on this subject will show that there is no such thing as races amongst Homo sapiens. Scripture teaches that we are all the descendants of one mother and modern mitochondrial genetic science shows that we all descended from one mother in East Africa.

Every human on earth is kinfolks.
Thumbs up.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 08, 2017, 06:28:12 pm
He was also good at bowing to other world leaders. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170908/728869d20dceaf4ffbec57bb0f8b2b8c.jpg)

Let's not forget the red line in Syria.

Really respected around the world. . .
What a joke!

"
I don't know the context behind the picture, it looks as though he was having a bit of fun! More likely photo shop, but I  agree. "Really respected around the world? What a joke!"        "........ DT is certainly that
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 08, 2017, 09:11:31 pm
Yes it was a photoshopped photo.  Just to show that he would bow to pretty much anybody.
Only time will tell with Trump. I don't really have a problem with a bull in a China shop. Kind of refreshing.
Besides I could give a rats behind what other countries think of us.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 09, 2017, 05:36:24 am
Yes it was a photoshopped photo.  Just to show that he would bow to pretty much anybody.
Only time will tell with Trump. I don't really have a problem with a bull in a China shop. Kind of refreshing.
Besides I could give a rats behind what other countries think of us.

A bull in a china shop with the state of play in North Korea? Don't forget these people are unhidged even more so than your clown. At least your clown has a few more restrained advisors around him, the ones in NK get shot. Can you imagine what would happen to the worlds economy if it turns 'hot' in NK? I bet you would give a rat's arse then. :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 09, 2017, 05:47:52 am
"Besides I could give a rats behind what other countries think of us.,"

Like mass immunisation programs you my friend should count yourself lucky the majority
keeps your 2% minority safe. Safe in proclaiming insular is a way forward, it's not IF you
can say Kim Jong-un. :cool:

Like Dubbya (idiot POTUS) Doddles gets told what he wants to hear, internationally.
Barry, on the other hand, is the only (recent)POTUS welcomed internationally as a great statesman.
That's all the world requires of the USA in that the 98% of the population is represented for
what they are, decent considerate law abiding folk.

The big lie is the empty dumb drum saying different.

Compliments.


Bill

--
(edit reference)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 09, 2017, 07:55:42 am
The last president was playing fiddle while the ship sank.
He told everyone what they wanted to hear. Didn't rock the boat, and they took advantage of that weakness. Statesmanship means nothing when your at the bottom of the ocean.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 09, 2017, 09:50:52 am
The last president was playing fiddle while the ship sank.
He told everyone what they wanted to hear. Didn't rock the boat, and they took advantage of that weakness. Statesmanship means nothing when your at the bottom of the ocean.
As said, 2%'rs, hawking simplified metaphor whilst chewing gum and so
of no value, offshore. The engine in your metaphorical ship/boat..?.. made
in the USA, was it?

Barry has the runs on the board, albeit a mixed bag there did exist positive
messages for steady improvement as part of the larger world economy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-18/barack-obamas-economic-legacy-might-be-judged-well-by-history/8191220

Compared to the histronic palpitations markets have witnessed in between
Doddles' tweets sprouting "guts an' glory"  Barry is a star.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/09/us-economy-trump-growth-wages

Hopefully the smart heads behind Doddles will deny the usual solutions
quasi-dictators solve their home economic problems with - find a hate
and feed it with "fire and fury".
Again, can you say Kim Jong-un?

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Hops Brewster on September 09, 2017, 10:19:37 am

Barry, on the other hand, is the only (recent)POTUS welcomed internationally as a great statesman.
That's all the world requires of the USA in that the 98% of the population is represented for
what they are, decent considerate law abiding folk.

The big lie is the empty dumb drum saying different.
All that Obama had to do o earn the reputation of being a "great statesman" was to go overseas and apologize that America was populated by Americans.  The more he (literally) bowed and scraped to foreign potentates and bad-mouthed the nation he represented, the more popular his "statesmanship" became with those who love to hate America. 
Obama is neither statesman nor orator,  but merely a talking head, giving spoonfed platitudes from a teleprompter to the proletariat.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 09, 2017, 10:25:59 am

Barry, on the other hand, is the only (recent)POTUS welcomed internationally as a great statesman.
That's all the world requires of the USA in that the 98% of the population is represented for
what they are, decent considerate law abiding folk.

The big lie is the empty dumb drum saying different.
All that Obama had to do o earn the reputation of being a "great statesman" was to go overseas and apologize that America was populated by Americans.  The more he (literally) bowed and scraped to foreign potentates and bad-mouthed the nation he represented, the more popular his "statesmanship" became with those who love to hate America.
Bingo! And exactly why I said what I said. He was the one steering it into the iceberg.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 09, 2017, 10:57:47 am
All that Obama had to do o earn the reputation of being a "great statesman"

He already has that reputation and the drastic difference between him and Trump makes him look even better.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 09, 2017, 11:29:36 am
What did that do to further America Ace?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 09, 2017, 03:40:21 pm
All that Obama had to do o earn the reputation of being a "great statesman"

He already has that reputation and the drastic difference between him and Trump makes him look even better.

Ace
Hooray! We have two new replacements for iddee. Yes I know they aren't 'new' probably old old hands........but it's good to have replacements after the demise of iddee.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 09, 2017, 04:18:55 pm
No demise here. Just quit when the OP asked to stay on topic.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 09, 2017, 04:24:48 pm
What did that do to further America Ace?

Just a couple of little things:
He got the man responsible for attacking the Twin Towers
He got an agreement to curtail nuks in Iran
After being handed a financial disaster the size of the great depression He pulled us out into recovery when many said his policies wouldn't work
He made it better for those that lost their jobs and as a result lost their health insurance
He not only filled the necessary positions for a functioning government he hired people with intelligence and experience.
He pointed the US in the right direction on the topic of Climate change (oh yeah Irma is a hoax)
He didn't shoot any of his friends on a hunting trip
He didn't make war on a faults assumption of weapons of mass destruction.
He didn't spew out threats to N Korea which only makes matters worse
He didn't rig an election
He didn't collude with an enemy
He remembered what he said in public
And he certainly didn't tweet lies and spew nonsense constantly during his presidency
These little things are why the world leaders like him and they can't stand Trump
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 09, 2017, 05:19:09 pm
Hey, Great. Ace is back on topic. A whole list of lies, without letting even one tiny truth in.

Congrats, Ace.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 09, 2017, 06:02:04 pm
There is one reflected attribute AB failed to list, and likely 'cos he too is so blind
as to not see it.
A true "family man" Barry is adored by the missus an' sprogs, unlike Doddles
whose trophy wife clearly despises him - as would any woman "grabbed by the
p***y - and whose kids/sprogs recognise Dad as only the gravy boat to ride in.
Middle America rides with the rest of the developed world in respecting
family values, the root of growth in any nation. Doddles with his "before breakfast"
tweets says loud and clear his two bits is more important than family time at the
beginning of every day. His 'family' knows this, and know the 2%'rs would not hear
their chagrin, so "smile and collect the cash" is their reward for sufference of the "creep".

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 09, 2017, 07:08:08 pm
There is one reflected attribute AB failed to list, and likely 'cos he too is so blind
as to not see it.
A true "family man" Barry is adored by the missus an' sprogs, unlike Doddles
whose trophy wife clearly despises him - as would any woman "grabbed by the
p***y - and whose kids/sprogs recognise Dad as only the gravy boat to ride in.
Middle America rides with the rest of the developed world in respecting
family values, the root of growth in any nation. Doddles with his "before breakfast"
tweets says loud and clear his two bits is more important than family time at the
beginning of every day. His 'family' knows this, and know the 2%'rs would not hear
their chagrin, so "smile and collect the cash" is their reward for sufference of the "creep".

Bill
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 09, 2017, 08:11:23 pm
Ace how's that Iran thing working out?

Irma and Harvey were the first major hurricanes to hit the United States in 12 years. I'm guessing all Obamas efforts on climate change didn't pay off. Or it's Trump's fault?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 10, 2017, 02:25:05 am
Ace how's that Iran thing working out?

Irma and Harvey were the first major hurricanes to hit the United States in 12 years. I'm guessing all Obamas efforts on climate change didn't pay off. Or it's Trump's fault?

I'll stand correction - with provenace - as the micro machinations were not followed, but...
was it not Congress who screwed Barry's CC ideals for America. Are still screwing any
positive change ?

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 10, 2017, 08:29:02 am
There is one reflected attribute AB failed to list,
Not blind Bill, it is just not profitable to discuss mental issues to those in denial.  He tweets what they want to hear.  Their eyes are already closed to reality.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 10, 2017, 09:00:56 am
Ace how's that Iran thing working out?
One of the most difficult things for other countries to deal with is the transfer of leadership every 4 years in the US.  We want the world to believe we are trustworthy and will honor OUR commitments.  Then along comes a whack job that proves the exact opposite.  You of all people.  You don't trust our government but you want foreigners to?  It is completely reasonable that every other country is in a mad dog race to protect themselves any way they can from the country that can't keep its commitments along with making threats.  And now that a whack job can make his way into the White House any future agreements with anybody will be nothing more than paper with wasted ink.
I have a much broader question for you Psparr.  How would foreign affairs look today if Hillary was in the White House?  I bet we would still have friends.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on September 10, 2017, 10:47:14 am
Brian,
We have more real friends now than we did with "line in the sand" Hussein who's word was worthless as he was. Hillary's only friends are the ones that bought and own her.
Jim
Title: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 10, 2017, 11:08:19 am
Your right we would have many more "friends".
Do you not think that every other country in the world isn't scheming against us? Even our allies are is keep close tabs on us. When Obama set the red line in Syria and did nothing about it, do you think our allies were happy. Did he keep his commitment?

Having friends may make you lefties happy, but actually really does nothing for the security of our country.

I think Obama's toughest question from the media in eight years. Was why he wore mom jeans. While I don't like all of trumps tweets. He is going around the media. And actually taking a stance on things.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 10, 2017, 05:39:49 pm
Do you not think that every other country in the world isn't scheming against us? Even our allies are is keep close tabs on us.
You are describing another mental illness.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: eltalia on September 10, 2017, 07:29:33 pm
Your right we would have many more "friends".
Do you not think that every other country in the world isn't scheming against us?
(edit)

errrm...obviously you have never heard of Pine Gap?
G00gle the comms site in central Australia
You guys would be blind without our alliance, an alliance with
the "good guys" of the USA, no less ;-)

Bill
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 10, 2017, 08:25:37 pm
Do you not think that every other country in the world isn't scheming against us? Even our allies are is keep close tabs on us.
You are describing another mental illness.
Did Obama not get grief for wiretapping Merkel? This isn't mental illness, it's reality.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 10, 2017, 09:12:03 pm
Spying on your neighbors, friends, relatives, bosses, subordinates and enemies is all human nature.  You are trying to be informed and get the upper hand.  Thinking that the whole world is out to get you.  That is classic mental illness.  I have very little knowledge when it come to human psych but that one I know.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: MikeyN.C. on September 11, 2017, 07:42:56 pm
Ace ,
Is spying on your neighbor something you do?
And for all from other countries how did integration of slavery to general population work for a democracy.
Ya probably don't have a clue what happened after the US civil war in the south as far as reconstruction.
But i guess that's our problem.
Like y'all think the president we have now Trump.
Have you looked at the money that the us was to pour in the climate accord (crazy) .
But i guess that don't make any difference to people in the north east or west coast that make more money than they are worth. But i like many rural living people have a problem with that .  And a change is coming.  Im glad to see it .
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 11, 2017, 09:49:17 pm
Ace ,
Is spying on your neighbor something you do?

I don't know how close you live to your neighbor but if a police car pulls into your neighbors driveway with the lights flashing what do you do?  Close the curtains.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: MikeyN.C. on September 11, 2017, 11:25:07 pm
My closest neighbor is 1/4 of a mile.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: MikeyN.C. on September 11, 2017, 11:31:22 pm
What ever business they do is not my business,  unless they make it so.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: beecanbee on September 13, 2017, 04:47:55 am
Brian,
We have more real friends now than we did with "line in the sand" Hussein who's word was worthless as he was. Hillary's only friends are the ones that bought and own her.
Jim

Fairly certain the US has friends  - not because of Trump, but in spite of Trump - and because they know that the US is simply suffering from temporary insanity.  (No need to thank me for this wisdom - it is common knowledge outside of the island that is Trumpland.)

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 13, 2017, 06:54:27 am
Say hello to peter pan while you are outside Trumpland there, BCB.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 13, 2017, 09:27:16 am
because they know that the US is simply suffering from temporary insanity.
I wish that were true.  If it is one thing that Trump has accomplished is that he brought everything out in the open.  The hatred that existed in this country still exist and a new winner is not going to make it go away.  His presidency has been a big eye opener for me.  Never did I think prejudice was so strong.
 Unfortunately because of the electoral college and where I live it doesn't matter if I vote because the state always goes democrat.  And likewise some states always go republican.  As far as I am concerned the will of the people will not be heard until the electoral college is eliminated.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 13, 2017, 10:06:04 am
With 4 states having a total population of over 100 million people, and your NY being one of them, I bet you do want the electoral college gone. The four states than could rule the country and to H*ll with the other 46.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 13, 2017, 10:34:23 am
Ace where is the hate? From where I sit, there's more coming from the left.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 13, 2017, 01:39:21 pm
With 4 states having a total population of over 100 million people, and your NY being one of them, I bet you do want the electoral college gone. The four states than could rule the country and to H*ll with the other 46.
I hear this argument all the time but those states that have the large population also have the most electoral votes so how is it different?  Four states are still ruling the country.  It also shows up in the Congress too.  The solution is not the electoral college the solution is get rid of the two party system and no commercial media advertising for candidates.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 13, 2017, 01:48:32 pm
Well apparently he 4 states didn't control the past election. Oh wait that one was the Russians.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 13, 2017, 02:50:00 pm
The four didn't include either Mich. or Pa., so they didn't control the election.

With less than 65 million votes needed to win the election, the 4 may have enough to win if not for the electoral.
I'm not saying the electoral is right, but it's better than just using the populist votes.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on September 13, 2017, 03:34:58 pm
If the nation went to a straight popular vote, the president would get elected by the predominantly urban east and west coast. Rural areas would have no say in it. IMHO  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 13, 2017, 08:56:08 pm
What I get a charge out of is all those people that are so concerned about their rights have no problem with the GOVERNMENT making choices for them based on voting for a president.  Yet not one of them trust the GOVERNMENT.
Our for fathers thought / knew the general population was uneducated.  That is why we have the electoral college.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 13, 2017, 09:18:13 pm
Ace, look at your many posts.

I can understand why they thought that.    :tongue:

Boy, did you ever step in that one.   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 13, 2017, 09:37:24 pm
Ace, look at your many posts.

I can understand why they thought that.    :tongue:

Boy, did you ever step in that one.   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
:)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 14, 2017, 12:11:57 am
Big Lies, Truth or Dare

I?m from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, young life in Boston, Roxbury, Mission Hill,? for those who ?know? the locale.

It is generally understood that Boston is the most intellectual and liberal city in the country. It is also the most prejudicial and racist city in the country. Sports teams, school busing, red lining, "White Flight", and on and on. You have no idea,? unless your from Australia.

?Our N?s are different here?, was a common phrase when I was a kid,.  Then, Italians were ?not whites?. Now, Italians are not Latins. Now, liberals refer to ?mixed race? children as cute little mocha babies. And that?s OK??? Yeah! I?ve heard ?high yellow?, and all the other ?archaic? descriptions used for non whites.

In my limited experience, I?ve found these ?intellectually elite? liberals to be the exact reason for the racism criticism of Boston. Liberals are racists, though they scream bloody murder that all non-liberals are. Liberals don?t like black waitstaff. Liberals are hypocrites.

Ever heard of Julia Child, David Ives, Lawrence Tribe? Jill Stein? Cambridge? Kremlin on the Charles? ?Token Black?? Please click the link:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1989/10/6/race-and-politics-mingle-in-day/


The 99% Occupiers? Overwhelmingly white, well educated,? (read ?racist?). Antfa? The ?Military Arm? of the democrat party? Overwhelmingly white, well educated,? (read ?racist?).

Liberalism equates to racism. I?m sure there are exceptions though. Jesse Jackson (I voted for him in a primary, BEFORE I?d never vote for him for dog catcher.). Remember ?Hymietown?? Bill Clinton? The ?First Black President?? ?Hymentown??

For decades, I?ve been checking the ?Race Box ?Other?, and writing in HUMAN. Lot of grief over the years on that from all colours. I just a few days ago confirmed my ?Jury Duty?. My race was pre-filled,? ?HUMAN?. :wink:

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on September 14, 2017, 04:58:42 am
Here is why we have the electoral college. 3 or 4 states could carry the election.

http://100percentfedup.com/wow-hillary-clinton-wants-new-york-florida-california-decide-presidential-elections-video/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on September 14, 2017, 09:00:32 am
Here is why we have the electoral college. 3 or 4 states could carry the election.
And they still do.  When has Utah, Wyoming or Nebraska ever determined an election?  Their votes are meaningless with an electoral college.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 14, 2017, 10:21:29 am
Man you gotta get over the fact that he won. And that all of us were "stupid enough" to vote for him.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on September 14, 2017, 10:33:15 am
Man you gotta get over the fact that he won. And that all of us were "stupid enough" to vote for him.
Actually the term is Smart enough.
Jim
Title: Big Lies
Post by: Psparr on September 14, 2017, 11:40:16 am
I know. Just putting it in words the left understands. I mean after all our president is an orange turd. Covered in cheetos dust.

But it's the right that hates.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on September 19, 2017, 01:00:55 pm
Here is why we have the electoral college. 3 or 4 states could carry the election.

http://100percentfedup.com/wow-hillary-clinton-wants-new-york-florida-california-decide-presidential-elections-video/

    I personally do not want any politician.. In Washington rewriting the Constitution..



                  BEE  HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on September 20, 2017, 11:22:42 am
Here is why we have the electoral college. 3 or 4 states could carry the election.

http://100percentfedup.com/wow-hillary-clinton-wants-new-york-florida-california-decide-presidential-elections-video/

    I personally do not want any politician.. In Washington rewriting the Constitution..



                  BEE  HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:

    Looks like the politician are try to make a run around the constitution of the USA....  :angry:

  https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/popular-vote-vs-electoral-college


      BEE HAPPY  Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Eric Bosworth on September 21, 2017, 10:11:20 am
I have not read this entire thread so if somebody mentioned this I apologize. A few years ago I read the book Lies the Government Told You: Myth, Power, and Deception in American History. I highly recommend it. It talks about lots of things like the eminent domain, the founders having slaves, social insecurity, the FED, and one chapter that I really liked was "We are winning the war on drugs." among other things. It is a really good read.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Steves Bees on September 23, 2017, 03:39:05 pm
Lies ?  Does it get any bigger than this ?

Quote
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. (Declaration of Independence, 1776)

Hello little john.
 Your attempt to show the Founding Fathers as hypocrites and Liars shows how little you understand men of their age. They said exactly what they meant. The sad truth is, at that time in America and GB, as well as most of the world, they did not consider Blacks as fully Human, indeed, they saw them as not much more than a race of apelike humans that were capable of speech. As horrendous as we see this view today, it was the popular view at the time. Ever hear of the "3/5's rule? It is clearly written in the Constitution.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on September 23, 2017, 04:04:22 pm
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Hello little john.
 Your attempt to show the Founding Fathers as hypocrites and Liars shows how little you understand men of their age. They said exactly what they meant. The sad truth is, at that time in America and GB, as well as most of the world, they did not consider Blacks as fully Human, indeed, they saw them as not much more than a race of apelike humans that were capable of speech. As horrendous as we see this view today, it was the popular view at the time. Ever hear of the "3/5's rule? It is clearly written in the Constitution.

I get your point about the times.  We need to look at history understanding the times.  I can't imagine not being able to vote, open a bank account, etc. but those were the times all over the world....Truth be told, when I look at the way many women vote....I wonder if it was such a good idea   :cheesy:

Whether or not they saw blacks as fully human depends on the person I'm sure.  The 3/5th compromise was not really about the value of a black person.  The south was seeking more representation in Congress for a number of reasons.  They wanted to count their slaves as people for the purpose of representation, but as property for everything else.  There was a great deal of going back and forth and it included suggestions for things like counting cows, etc.  In the meantime, someone was doing the math.  Giving the south 3/5th for slaves did give them more reps, but not enough to have complete power in congress giving them a 1:1 vote would have. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 03, 2017, 07:31:28 pm
Bowe Bergdahl did nothing to warrant any jail time.

The judge was a hero for handing down that verdict.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!


Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 03, 2017, 07:44:32 pm
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Bowe Bergdahl did nothing to warrant any jail time.

I started a separate thread for this.  If you want to move it there, I'd be happy to take it on.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on November 03, 2017, 09:27:27 pm
Somebody woke up Kathy!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 03, 2017, 09:41:44 pm
Caught me between naps
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 03, 2017, 05:29:01 pm
You can always tell a Harvard person,

... You just can't tell them very much.

HARVARD???? Isn't this where many of our politicians are educated???


Please click the link:

http://www.newsweek.com/sex-anal-sex-harvard-sex-ed-sexual-health-butt-706637

Sal
ps: Sorry Kathy I stepped on your Bergdahl
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 03, 2017, 06:54:56 pm
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ps: Sorry Kathy I stepped on your Bergdahl

NP.  He needed stepping on   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 09, 2018, 09:22:12 am
I wish I had brown skin and brown eyes like Antonio.

Then, maybe my nanna would love me.


Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on February 09, 2018, 06:07:21 pm
You must be talking about great, great grandkids. Grand and great grand were screwed during the last 8 years. If he does damage to any, it will be to G,G, Gkids, while trying to save the G and G Grand that the libs have already destroyed.
"Did you actually say something there, or was it just garbled static?

Hey, Ace, get back here. Even you make more sense than he does."

What goes around comes around!
Brilliant thread, things have livened up at last! :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on February 10, 2018, 10:21:52 pm
It is a thread about which liar you support and I can't stand any of them but I have to live with all of them.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 10, 2018, 10:23:55 pm
Be careful Ace. You're making sense. You'll ruin your reputation.   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 18, 2018, 08:52:23 am
Hi Folks,

The FBI did everything they could. They used all means available.

The Boston Bombers! Tsarnaev!

The Orlando shooter! Mateen!

The school shooter! Cruz!

Yet they continue to chase Boris and Natasha.

Famous But Incompetent

Really????

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: minz on February 18, 2018, 09:39:57 pm
It is a thread about which liar you support and I can't stand any of them but I have to live with all of them.
yes, nothing changed except twitter makes news now?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 10, 2018, 04:24:13 pm
This is a whopper:

Early 60's. PEI, Canada. My cousin and I (both cis-gender males), not quite ten years old, talking about,...DUN,...DUN,... DUN,... sex.

Up until then we were both chased from the barnyard when a cow or a sow was brought to be serviced. Incidental acts of accidental fornication were assumed to have gone un-noticed by the two of us.

 H.B. was so much more sophisticated than me. His mother was a nurse. Boys have a peenus. Girls have a bageeno. It was just that complicated.

Flash forward to 2018. The Boston Marathon:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/boston-marathons-trans-women-compete-women-54320495

Boys will be boys, and boys will be girls. Ain't this a hoot?

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 25, 2018, 08:12:05 pm
Hi Folks,

7:09 PM EST.

I just read a couple of "European" news sources that claim "caravan members storm border...They were repelled by tear gas used by US border officers."

No word of this from the good ole US of A MSM.

Am I supposed to believe those Lying Europeans? My MSN could not be so un-knowledgeable, could they? How could they ignore the ignominy,... the brutality of those charged with protecting our border?

Sal.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on November 25, 2018, 08:41:38 pm
Maybe you should look a little harder.

https://www.foxnews.com/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-agents-fire-tear-gas-as-some-migrants-try-to-breach-fence/ar-BBQ4onJ?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 27, 2018, 04:48:16 pm
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Am I supposed to believe those Lying Europeans? My MSN could not be so un-knowledgeable, could they? How could they ignore the ignominy,... the brutality of those charged with protecting our border?

You are correct that most of the networks ignored this as it was happening.  The pictures of rabid illegals storming the border and throwing things at BP does not fit the meme of the peaceful immigrant wanting a better life.  + they knew that Obamas BP had done the same.  They also neglected to report much on that.

You are given what feeds the agenda.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on November 28, 2018, 02:07:59 pm
I can almost guarantee that if a thousand disgruntled Norte Americanos formed a caravan aiming to resettle in Argentina and started walking from the Mexican-US border headed south without going through all the niceties of visas and permits, very few, if any, would get even halfway to the Argentine heartland (alive).  Are borders created for a reason?  Are they there to delineate sovereign territory, or are they merely there as suggestions of something?

Modified to indicate I think they'd be imprisoned or killed.  Some of those people don't welcome strangers that break their laws.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 28, 2018, 06:18:35 pm
You would probably end up in a Mexican jail one the first day.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on November 28, 2018, 06:27:36 pm
Can you say "Bubba" in Spanish?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on November 29, 2018, 09:52:58 am
Are borders created for a reason?  Are they there to delineate sovereign territory, or are they merely there as suggestions of something?

They are there because we invaded the land and drew lines on a map and made it ours.  In other words lethal force.  That is how all boarders are created and changed.
Dallas, why are they coming?
The land that they come from offers them pretty much slavery or death and the instant they get here they get unlimited food, clothing, shelter and protection.  Welfare!  As hard nosed as the orange turd tries to be he is providing instant welfare from day one.
How would you choose?  What is the likelihood that a caravan of US citizens would go there?

I personally think if we did a strip search and finger printed everyone that wanted to come try to make a go of it be allowed to try.  The problem would not exist as long as they were banned from ever receiving welfare of any kind.  The people who supported their journey would have to continue to support them or they would parish.  The conditions that they left would not be much different here with out support.  The idea that they walked here is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 29, 2018, 11:50:38 am
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As hard nosed as the orange turd tries to be he is providing instant welfare from day one.

Not much he can do about it.  He did not make the laws that cover this.  Congress and the courts have done this.
Quote
They are there because we invaded the land and drew lines on a map and made it ours.  In other words lethal force.  That is how all boarders are created and changed.

If we gave them the southern states, how do you think those areas would change?  Would they bring the new countries up, or would the countries take them down?
At this point I'd be ok with giving them CA   :cheesy:


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Barry on December 08, 2018, 05:34:35 pm
My new property  be moving there after 1st of the year(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/99ab6f34364ba8baf14dddf51dab6eb8.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/bbf49480e4d442acd8694c560b00ea79.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/54c03395bcad1f11048100a21fe5b530.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/f562327516e01c2867cbb683683d894f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/d315c0c313c684436bf72a02c498e0b7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181208/ec35d6491dccad3463cae1e9100a18f1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 09, 2018, 09:01:27 am
YO! Barry!

We couldn't be happier for you.

We always said, That Barry! Now there's a guy that is going to go places. He's going to BE somebody.

Listen pal. If you should ever need a few bucks, you know who to call.

You know I'll be there. You can count on me.

Your friend,

Sal
We're rooting for ya!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2018, 09:50:48 am
Big lies?        Thank you I think. Either way it's going to be a ton of work a lot of Sweat Equity and a little bit of bleeding blood lubricates all work LOL I'm excited about the prospects
YO! Barry!

We couldn't be happier for you.

We always said, That Barry! Now there's a guy that is going to go places. He's going to BE somebody.

Listen pal. If you should ever need a few bucks, you know who to call.

You know I'll be there. You can count on me.

Your friend,

Sal
We're rooting for ya!


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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 09, 2018, 09:12:43 pm
OMG! BARRY!

I thought what you posted was a Big Lie! This is a thread for BIG LIES!!!

I'm so sorry. I posted a bunch of obvious lies cause I thought what you posted was a lie!

That's too funny.

The following is NOT a lie. I wish you good fortune with your new property. It looks chock full of deciduous and pine,... USA?? Also, what's that little tree that looks like you planted it? Coffee?? Cacao??

Oh! About that loan I mentioned. I'm a bit short myself right now. Maybe next time.

That was fun. I hope you got a kick out of it.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 09, 2018, 10:03:36 pm
Barry,
When I first read your post I thought you were for real about the property and I was going to move it to a new thread for you. While I was doing that and had problems copying the pictures, I then saw the title. Then I thought you meant it as a Big Lie and left it alone.
Kind of ironic.  :grin:
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2018, 10:40:57 pm
Barry,
When I first read your post I thought you were for real about the property and I was going to move it to a new thread for you. While I was doing that and had problems copying the pictures, I then saw the title. Then I thought you meant it as a Big Lie and left it alone.
Kind of ironic.  :grin:
Jim
I thought I was posting it in everything else I guess in a roundabout way I did LOL

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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2018, 10:41:43 pm
That's a little place called Venus Florida just a little north of Fort Myers
OMG! BARRY!

I thought what you posted was a Big Lie! This is a thread for BIG LIES!!!

I'm so sorry. I posted a bunch of obvious lies cause I thought what you posted was a lie!

That's too funny.

The following is NOT a lie. I wish you good fortune with your new property. It looks chock full of deciduous and pine,... USA?? Also, what's that little tree that looks like you planted it? Coffee?? Cacao??

Oh! About that loan I mentioned. I'm a bit short myself right now. Maybe next time.

That was fun. I hope you got a kick out of it.

Sal


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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 26, 2018, 09:17:01 pm
Hi Folks,

Lie du jour:

The Federal Reserve is ABSOLUTELY ON THE LEVEL!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on December 30, 2018, 05:17:09 pm
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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on December 30, 2018, 07:30:09 pm
At first I thought this should bee in the Humor Is A Funny Thing, then I realized it was all true and not really funny, just a bunch of lies,  so I left it in The Coffee House.  :cheesy:
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 11, 2019, 04:08:31 pm
Hi Folks,

Molson Export! Breakfast of Champions!

It may sound unbelievable, but Canada?s revised laws on impaired driving could see police demand breath samples from people in bars, restaurants, or even at home. And if you say no, you could be arrested, face a criminal record, ordered to pay a fine, and subjected to a driving suspension.

You could be in violation of the impaired driving laws even two hours after you?ve been driving. Now, the onus is on drivers to prove they weren?t impaired when they were on the road.

DRINK CANADA DRY!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on January 14, 2019, 05:09:42 pm
This is not believable.  You are going to drive home from work and when you get home start popping brews then 2 hours later they are going to raid your home and arrest you for driving under the influence?  Not likely.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 16, 2019, 11:58:33 pm
Hi Folks,

Socialist firebrand Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would give Trump a close race for president says poll even though she's too young to run until 2028

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would give President Donald Trump a run for his money if she were old enough to run for president in 2020

A new Rasmussen Reports poll found 43 percent would pick Trump while 40 percent would vote for Ocasio-Cortez in a hypothetical matchup
And 17 percent are undecided 

Ocasio-Cortez is is only 29 however so can't run for the White House until 2028


YIKES!!!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 20, 2019, 10:14:50 pm
Hi Folks.

I got up this morning, made a coffee, feeding the dog, ... and I heard about those blankety blank white Catholics, and that poor, poor Viet Nam vet, Native American elderly person. Poor, poor Viet Nam vet, Native American elderly person.

Please watch this to see how bad those white Catholics were:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJU1L-1VrE

Where in Hell are we going?
Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on January 20, 2019, 10:27:19 pm
the boys should be commended for not getting into it with either group.  One was nasty and the other got in their faces banging drums and chanting.  I might have taken a swing at one or the other...or both.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on January 21, 2019, 04:37:11 am
Hi Folks.

I got up this morning, made a coffee, feeding the dog, ... and I heard about those blankety blank white Catholics, and that poor, poor Viet Nam vet, Native American elderly person. Poor, poor Viet Nam vet, Native American elderly person.

Please watch this to see how bad those white Catholics were:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJU1L-1VrE

Where in Hell are we going?
Sal


1st world problems. When people have everything they need, and most of what they want, it's hard to sell them something. So you sell drama where it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: SiWolKe on January 21, 2019, 05:58:50 am
Without a camera filming them they probably would not have done this.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 21, 2019, 09:07:27 pm
Hum
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on January 21, 2019, 09:46:27 pm
The camera can "see" one thing, but the editor can make it "see" whatever he/she wants.  There are questions about what really happened.  Whoever released the video that caused such a stir may be in training to work for CNN.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 22, 2019, 12:17:25 am
The camera can "see" one thing, but the editor can make it "see" whatever he/she wants.  There are questions about what really happened.  Whoever released the video that caused such a stir may be in training to work for CNN.

Another thing to keep in mind Dallas, these two demonstrating groups were not some upset, spur of the moment, (lets go do some demonstrating type folks), from every indication, sitting here watching the video, they seemed to be trained perhaps possibly even professional  demonstrators. These kids were here as a school group, most likely, a group that large, visiting their nations capital. They wasn't bothering anyone, provoking anyone, enticing anyone. They were looking on in wonder at the demonstrations, they had probably never seen such a sight as was happening before their very eyes! They didn't say a word until the hateful, name calling, and I as I don't know if they were professional demonstrators, tried to suck them in, vacuum them into their hate trap by verbally abusing these children. The hateful seemed to do all they could do to provoke this diverse group of children The white kids the black kids as well, but it didn't matter to the hate-filled what color the children were, they appeared to be  using each of the childrens color, and religion  as a tool to abuse, these sweet Catholic kids!  The kids took it as fun and games, were smiling, laughing, in pure amazement and innocents, and will one day realize that they were under attack from a wicked evil and seemed to be well organized, hateful group of non loving, child abusers, wishing to spread misery and hate before their very steps! Un-relentlessly picking on innocent these Catholic kids. These kids did not come to demonstrate, or be a part of a demonstration, but simply visit their Nations Capitol.  But as Kathy suggested , didn't this large group sweet children handle it well?  Especially when these hating ugly name calling demonstrators approached them, beating war drums, making space through these sight seeking kids, as the two hate filled groups were seemingly hoping, wishing, wanting, yearning to provoke, these kids to do something that they could use to blame hate on the innocent kids!    Luke Ch 17 vs 1 Then said he unto the disciples it is impossible but that offenses will come but woe unto him, through whom they come.  2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than he should offend one of these little ones.   These poor sweet catholic kids.    Mathew Ch 16: 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered him and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.  17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.  !9  And I say also unto thee. That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.   Gods Holy Word
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on January 22, 2019, 01:17:34 am
Very well said - both Dallas and Ben (phillip). I loved the Scripture.

Also note: I have the yearbook to prove that I attended High School on an Indian Reservation. The "individual" with the drum did not act like, or speak like, any "Tribal Elder" that I've ever known (Apache, Navaho, Havasu, Flathead, Sioux, Blackfoot, Arapahoe, etc). And I don't think his type would be tolerated in, nor does he represent, any Tribe I've been in contact with. He sounded much more like a modern day CNN Hack - IMNSHO.

1st world problems. It must have been a slow news day for CNN. But maybe that's normal reporting for them - I don't know because I don't watch them. People are in need of drama, and CNN is supplying it.

You can bet that CNN has 100's of 1,000's of hrs of video from "The Mall" - and this is what they choose to air ... ... ... what else can be said about them?.?.

Side note: those young people handled themselves very well.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: SiWolKe on January 22, 2019, 02:59:17 am
There was an interview with the young man in our press and some justifications and explanations.
Seems like the clips were taken out of the context like always.

Still, I don?t like cameras involved in such moments. It?s too easy to create fake moments and people are acting differently, no matter which side they are on.

Why not inviting talks? Is conversation impossible today with the use of echo chamber media? From eye to eye many civilised talks are possible if the adults start them
And where is the teacher trying to interfere and explain the situation?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on January 22, 2019, 03:48:38 am
There was an interview with the young man in our press and some justifications and explanations.
Seems like the clips were taken out of the context like always ...
welcome to the news media world-wide today. I wish it wasn't so - but it is.

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... Still, I don?t like cameras involved in such moments. It?s too easy to create fake moments and people are acting differently, no matter which side they are on. ...


Thats our National Mall (if I have the name correct) - the cameras are ALWAYS there 24/7/365. You are shown (around the world) what they want you to see. Nothing else. Do they show an aging Black Vet helping an aging jewish woman in her wheelchair over the curb? ... or do they show a Jewish woman helping  an aging Black man in his wheelchair over the curb? ... happens every day there - BUT they refuse to show it. ... that's the way things are today in America - ... ... ... and the world.

... And where is the teacher trying to interfere and explain the situation? ...
... the teachers are there - they are not shown on purpose, because it doesn't fit CNN's objective. I don't care much for the catholic church. .... but both of my children went to catholic schools, and both went on this (mandatory - paid for by us parents at our expense) tour. The teachers and the chaperones were there. The rules for the trip were covered with both the young people, the chaperones, the teachers, and the Church - several times in the months ahead of the trip. I'm thankful to see that the young people in that video, and my own children (some time ago) handled themselves professionally in that circumstance.

Enough said. The video is a propoganda piece. Welcome to it - and WAKE UP.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 22, 2019, 07:35:15 am
This is at the Lincoln Memoral. As the camera person scrolls back and forth you can see the Memoral building and as he rotated the camera in the opposite direction you can see the Washington monument. These protesters are clearly, CLEARLY, harassing tourist. These kids didn't know how to answer these raceist child abusers. So what did they do? They turned the situation in to a prep rally clearly, as one of the boys,  led them in a school cheer and every kid, white and black were in sync. Just as they would be at a prep rally before a ball game.  Innocent, Sweet kids, again FAKE NEWS!! So verdict, BIG LIE!!

Oh yes, one more thing. The Indian man with the Vietnam hat was not shown again once he reveled he was a historian. Hum, And when the on looking tourist were gathered, The demonic haters, claiming  to be "good guys" suddenly stopped spewing hate toward the (Indians) and directed it toward the children, trying to then, entice the "Indians" to join them! After the haters had clearly  antagonizing, (causing them to become hostile). The Vietnam Memoral is just yards  from the Lincoln Memoral and within easy walking distance. Vietnam vets can often be seen here. God Bless them !! It's a wonder that the hostil protesters didn't or don't harass Vetrans for wearing their Vietnam hats accusing them of being haters also. Maybe on a given day they do? I don't know.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 24, 2019, 12:03:33 am
Very well said - both Dallas and Ben (phillip). I loved the Scripture.

Also note: I have the yearbook to prove that I attended High School on an Indian Reservation. The "individual" with the drum did not act like, or speak like, any "Tribal Elder" that I've ever known (Apache, Navaho, Havasu, Flathead, Sioux, Blackfoot, Arapahoe, etc). And I don't think his type would be tolerated in, nor does he represent, any Tribe I've been in contact with. He sounded much more like a modern day CNN Hack - IMNSHO.

1st world problems. It must have been a slow news day for CNN. But maybe that's normal reporting for them - I don't know because I don't watch them. People are in need of drama, and CNN is supplying it.

You can bet that CNN has 100's of 1,000's of hrs of video from "The Mall" - and this is what they choose to air ... ... ... what else can be said about them?.?.

Side note: those young people handled themselves very well.

Thanks Alan for your input on this, I would suppose with your background, you would pretty well have a good opinion on this!!   I also think that it is awesome that you are here!!
God Bless you Sir, Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 24, 2019, 01:02:58 am
Hi Folks,

A Saturday Night Live comedy writer responded to the media?s false story about the Covington High kids by offering oral sex to anyone who punches them in the face.

I will ballou whoever manages to punch that MAGA kid in the face, tweeted Sarah Beattie.

Madonna and others made the same promise.

Liars!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 24, 2019, 01:23:12 am
Hi Folks,

A Saturday Night Live comedy writer responded to the media?s false story about the Covington High kids by offering oral sex to anyone who punches them in the face.

I will ballou whoever manages to punch that MAGA kid in the face, tweeted Sarah Beattie.

Madonna and others made the same promise.

Liars!

Sal


Would evil or wicked or both or perhaps some other words be useful to describe these hateful (stars?)   And please do not use the word sick, to politically correct for the above stated by Sal.  Sal are you sure about this, this sounds like a big lie, no offense intended. Can you back this up?  Dallas, you are the attorney, what can be done about this inciting a Nation to do violence against a minor? Maybe its time for you to come out of retirement and take the case. Add a few more million to your retirement fund! Or donate to charity. I would not recommend the Clinton Foundation for obvious reasons!! :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 24, 2019, 07:07:37 am
Hi Folks,

This was not presented as a lie. My oversight. It's apparently true, from many sources.

https://dc-chronicle.com/2019/01/21/snl-writer-offers-fellatio-anyone-punching-covington-minor-face/

Perhaps I should have written: SNL writer DID NOT offer.... That would have been the lie, in line with the thread.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on January 24, 2019, 10:01:31 am
The media have now started calling Phillips a "Vietnam era vet".  He was a US Marine and when the US Marines pulled out of Vietnam he would have been 16...

I've watched several videos of the occurrence (there are many out there on youtube shot by different people) and none of what Phillips describes later to reporters happened.  No chanting "build the wall" by the kids.  No surrounding him or confronting him.  Plenty of room for him to just turn right and walk up the steps to the Lincoln Memorial, which he said he was going to when he says the kids blocked him.  Also Phillips was involved previously in a altercation with a fraternity in Michigan where he lives and he accused them of being disrespectful and threatening... 
https://t.co/2nSJIETFiy

Nathan Phillips' cohort who was yelling at the kids to go back to Europe etc. says right before the Indians all leave "I got em, man, I got em" and all the Indians turn to leave...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 24, 2019, 10:31:26 am
How about this??

The Native American Activist who approached a group of Catholic School students and loudly banged his drum has been outed as a man with a violent criminal record. He also escaped from jail as a teenager.

Phillips has a radical past and has been known to go overboard in his protesting. The night before the incident with the Catholic students, he caused a scene at a Catholic church in D.C.


https://100percentfedup.com/just-in-native-american-who-taunted-covington-kids-has-violent-criminal-record-escaped-from-jail/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 24, 2019, 10:34:43 am
The media have now started calling Phillips a "Vietnam era vet".  He was a US Marine and when the US Marines pulled out of Vietnam he would have been 16...

I've watched several videos of the occurrence (there are many out there on youtube shot by different people) and none of what Phillips describes later to reporters happened.  No chanting "build the wall" by the kids.  No surrounding him or confronting him.  Plenty of room for him to just turn right and walk up the steps to the Lincoln Memorial, which he said he was going to when he says the kids blocked him.  Also Phillips was involved previously in a altercation with a fraternity in Michigan where he lives and he accused them of being disrespectful and threatening... 
https://t.co/2nSJIETFiy

Nathan Phillips' cohort who was yelling at the kids to go back to Europe etc. says right before the Indians all leave "I got em, man, I got em" and all the Indians turn to leave...

Thank you Mr Bush, bus loads of kids are coming and going all through the day
Here .  This just happened to be the ones singled out for this  opportunist glory seeker. One source told yesterday, that this is the fourth time Phillips has made his way to the spotlight with questionable situations.
Hum
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 24, 2019, 11:43:36 pm
Hi Folks,

There are two ways of being fooled.

One is to believe what is not true.

The other is to refuse to accept what is true.

Quote by a guy named Soren Kierkegaard.

Sal

Oh. The above quote is true.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 29, 2019, 10:18:44 pm
Hi Folks,

More lies.

Former NBC news anchor Tom Brokaw comments that Hispanics "should work harder at assimilation".

The remarks -- which Brokaw has since tried to walk back -- ignited a firestorm of criticism.

"I also happen to believe that the Hispanics should work harder at assimilation. ... They ought not to be just codified in their communities," Brokaw said in a TV roundtable Sunday, "but make sure that all their kids are learning to speak English, and that they feel comfortable in the communities."


Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on January 30, 2019, 12:19:13 am
I?m confused.  Did Brokejaw say that, or is it a lie?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: jalentour on January 30, 2019, 12:25:46 am
He did.
Why did you ask?
Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black don't you know.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 30, 2019, 07:24:32 pm
Hi Folks,

The Presidents Aunty Zeituni is in the USA illegally,... an illegal alien,  collecting welfare and living in public housing in Boston! Very fasionably dressed, however.

Please click the link for video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nOwmxQmLzQ

Sal.
I was reminded about this earlier today.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on January 30, 2019, 07:58:14 pm
Quote
I?m confused.  Did Brokejaw say that, or is it a lie?

Yup.  Learn English and assimilate.  He was bashed for it.  He's not wrong. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on January 30, 2019, 10:54:46 pm
Quote
I?m confused.  Did Brokejaw say that, or is it a lie?

Yup.  Learn English and assimilate.  He was bashed for it.  He's not wrong.

I just thought old Tom had spent so much time in the MSM that he was totally brainwashed into spouting the leftist line of appeasing the folks who want to bring Mexico across the river. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 02, 2019, 10:09:02 am
Hi Folks,

I was just reading "comments" in an article about that Chicago attack. I sometimes find the comments/discussions  more informative than the stories. This was one comment:

I've been in Chicago for a few months now. actually a mile from roughly where the incident took place. There is nobody running around yelling this is maga country. Let me tell you that the tiny few Republicans i know here keep it very quietly because we'll either be harassed or get screamed for being racist xenophobic bigots. My actual home is in San Francisco but Chicago actually feels just as leftist as SF feels.

You can be a leftist here and freely express your opinions and political views without fear of being harmed. You cannot be open about being on the right. You're treated like a Nazi. And basically anyone i meet that refuses to talk politics, i know they're right leaning or center right leaning. We keep our mouths shut here (and in SF) unless you are in the mood for having a conversation that always leads to screaming and then most likely throwing down. It's really sad. And the funny thing is the people I meet who are right leaning are easier to speak to, and act more sane. And I'm not talking about non-leftist progresive liberals (because you don't find them anymore), im talking about the most intolerant and judgmental people I've ever met in my life, progressive 'new socialist' leftists.

I do not believe this mans story. I believe he was jumped/robbed/beat up... but i have no doubt he added the rest to make people leftists angry to show people how bad Trump's America is. If there were mobs of MAGA white kids running around here, they'd be beat and shot in a matter of seconds. This story is big bs

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on February 02, 2019, 11:58:35 am
Salvo, I had the same thought.  Even when I was there years ago it was not a place people would have worn anything that labeled them republican or conservative.  There were and still are, places white people just don't go.

I don't know this neighborhood, but I'll be interested to see how this plays out. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 03, 2019, 10:27:53 am
Hi Folks,

Whether you are pro-choice or pro-life,... shouldn't you choose life when it's pretty reasonable?

Please click the link. Watch as much as you can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFDkfv8hEQ

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 04, 2019, 11:51:34 pm
Hi Folks,

This is NOT FUNNY! Do not even watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkQQGsOegv0

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 05, 2019, 05:23:55 am
OK. I didn't.  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on February 05, 2019, 11:07:21 am
Me neither. 🙃
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 05, 2019, 09:24:15 pm
Hi Folks,

This new lie just in.

The Post obtained Warren?s registration card for the State Bar of Texas, providing a previously undisclosed example of Warren identifying as an ?American Indian.?

Link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-native-american/2019/02/05/1627df76-2962-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.4aa5f1c7128a

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on February 05, 2019, 09:32:32 pm
Which kinda puts the lie to this whole white privilege thing.  If it was such an advantage to be white there would not be so many people trying to be something else!   :cool:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on February 05, 2019, 09:49:22 pm
Gee, I went to law school with some native Americans who were blond and had blue eyes and names like Smith, and I figured I had at least as much Indian blood as they did, but they were enrolled members of a tribe, so what the heck.  Is this supposed to be like stolen valor or something?  I get it that she's misrepresenting herself as an American Indian, but just why is that supposed to give her some kind of advantage?  If not, why would she do it?  It's a matter of integrity.  Btw, why didn't she put herself down as African American?  That would have gotten her a lot more votes, maybe.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 09, 2019, 09:18:39 pm
Hi Folks,

FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/08/us/illinois-social-media-gun-law-trnd/index.html


Careful what you post. They want to know what you got, where you are and how you think!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 10, 2019, 09:18:41 pm
Hi Folks,

Grammies are on!

Just my opinion. We could get a twofer.

Michelle IS RUNNING for President!!!!!

Gonna be a lot of disappointed dem wannabees out there.

I'm changing the channel.

Sal


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 16, 2019, 11:34:22 am
BUT JUDGE!

The voices in my head told me to do it!


Please click the link:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-02-06-mit-scientists-confirm-technology-to-beam-voices-into-your-head.html?fbclid=IwAR08yQoFGsS7GuW1vP_Ee9IW_ptEHspe1fDiotz5FTbv1zX2MtMex1oxqx0

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on February 16, 2019, 07:09:25 pm
BUT JUDGE!

The voices in my head told me to do it!


Please click the link:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-02-06-mit-scientists-confirm-technology-to-beam-voices-into-your-head.html?fbclid=IwAR08yQoFGsS7GuW1vP_Ee9IW_ptEHspe1fDiotz5FTbv1zX2MtMex1oxqx0

Sal

Looks like they have already got you sal! :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on February 16, 2019, 07:52:07 pm
Gee, I went to law school with some native Americans who were blond and had blue eyes and names like Smith, and I figured I had at least as much Indian blood as they did, but they were enrolled members of a tribe, so what the heck.  Is this supposed to be like stolen valor or something?  I get it that she's misrepresenting herself as an American Indian, but just why is that supposed to give her some kind of advantage?  If not, why would she do it?  It's a matter of integrity.  Btw, why didn't she put herself down as African American?  That would have gotten her a lot more votes, maybe.
Apparently you are what you claim you are.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/09/dna-test-race-lawsuit/570250/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on February 16, 2019, 09:47:38 pm
I like that article, Acebird. Really shows what claptrap racial identification is. :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 17, 2019, 11:52:51 am
Hi Folks,

This NEWS just in,..... from January 29, 2019:

The FBI has taken over the investigation amid reports that Smollett received a threatening letter sometime before the attack, according to ABC News.

Police reported that two unknown men began ?yelling out racial and homophobic slurs? before physically attacking the actor. During the attack, the two men ?poured an unknown chemical substance? on him and one of the attackers wrapped a rope around his neck. 

TMZ, citing unnamed sources ?directly connected to Jussie,? reported that the men yelled, ?Aren?t you that faggot ?Empire? bleep?? The outlet also reported that the unknown chemical substance was bleach and that, after the attack, the men told Smollett, ?This is MAGA country,? referring to President Donald Trump?s slogan ?Make America Great Again.?

?Given the severity of the allegations, we are taking this investigation very seriously and treating it as a possible hate crime,? Chicago police told HuffPost Tuesday morning.


OMG! Where is society going?

Never mind. We have met the enemy,.... and he is us.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 17, 2019, 02:46:03 pm
Hi Folks,

This NEWS just in,..... from January 29, 2019:

The FBI has taken over the investigation amid reports that Smollett received a threatening letter sometime before the attack, according to ABC News.

Police reported that two unknown men began ?yelling out racial and homophobic slurs? before physically attacking the actor. During the attack, the two men ?poured an unknown chemical substance? on him and one of the attackers wrapped a rope around his neck. 

TMZ, citing unnamed sources ?directly connected to Jussie,? reported that the men yelled, ?Aren?t you that faggot ?Empire? bleep?? The outlet also reported that the unknown chemical substance was bleach and that, after the attack, the men told Smollett, ?This is MAGA country,? referring to President Donald Trump?s slogan ?Make America Great Again.?

?Given the severity of the allegations, we are taking this investigation very seriously and treating it as a possible hate crime,? Chicago police told HuffPost Tuesday morning.


OMG! Where is society going?

Never mind. We have met the enemy,.... and he is us.

Sal


Sal, this is not good.  I don't know where it is going, needs to go to GITMO perhaps?  Huge yes. Awful yes. And as bad as it is, lying, deceiving, our civilian public, purposely to stir up hate, any hate, racial hate, toward the right, and using lies and deceit to do, and on the extreme measures used to do it,  shows the level of desperation that the far left has reached.  As bad as this is, this is small potatoes compared to the lies and fabrications which were made on then Presidential Hopeful, Donlald Trump. Pee pee gate. To go as far as to make up a fake report using EX British spies to do the fabricating. and the wild imagination of ugliness, lies, and deceit without limit.  Lets not forget the Supreme Court hopeful, just look at the lies made up on him. On and on it goes! No morals means no limits on these people. And poor misguided Seth Rich.  Are we looking into the face of political terrorist, people who use unlawful Violence and hate against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims? GITMO PERHAPS?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on February 17, 2019, 03:25:33 pm
Ex British spy with Russia ties.  So far the only collusion we know of is between the DNC and Russia by way of the Orrs, Fusion GPS, Steele, and Russia. 

"Full Measure" was interesting today.  It covered some of what I have been on about with the agencies under the Justice Dept and the out of bounds things they have been doing.  It all predates Trump and if it is not stopped will postdate him as well.  We gave them to much power after 9/11. They have abused it.  Congress has not done its oversight job. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 18, 2019, 02:59:10 pm
Hi Folks,

I have a friend, soooo progressive, who, before the 2016 election, told me Bernie didn't go far enough left. She tells me how bad one party is. I tell her both parties are bad. Lately we have been keeping it really light. She does not want to alienate me and doesn't want me to say: You're too smart to really believe this ca-ca do-do, aren't you?

She told me about an alt-right news source, Brietbart. I had no knowledge of it before she told me.

It's been posted here that Fox News is conservative. It's not the only one.

I scan European news outlets, It was interesting that Daily Mail UK, Al Jazeera and others had breaking US news as much as 48 hours before I saw anything State-side. But, even those European sites are becoming infected now.

Anyway, here are two US based news outlets that I frequent:

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/02/18/cbss-lara-logan-on-media-bias-unless-you-seek-out-breitbart-you-wont-see-the-other-side/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/43597/limbaugh-russia-probe-silent-coup-perpetrated-joseph-curl

https://voiceofeurope.com/

Alt-Right???? Nah! Just not alt-left.

Careful for the lies!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 18, 2019, 04:59:50 pm
You might also want to try   https://100percentfedup.com
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on February 18, 2019, 07:02:33 pm
I liked Breitbart a lot more when Andrew was alive and running it, but they do cover some good stuff still.  Dailywire is good.  You are correct.  They are not Alt-Right, whatever that is.  They are certainly more conservative.

A lot of people don't know that Fox News has far more liberals on it than the MSN has conservatives.  You are more apt to get all sides of a story from them than from a place like CNN.  There's a reason they are watched as much as they are.  Can't be all conservatives watching FOX.  there are not that many in the country to account for their ratings.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 18, 2019, 09:13:24 pm
How about 23 big lies?

https://100percentfedup.com/stunning-23-hate-crimes-blamed-on-trump-since-his-inaugurationevery-incident-turned-out-to-be-a-hoax/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 20, 2019, 01:09:49 pm
Hi Folks,

Justice is blind.

Equal justice under the law.

Innocent until proven guilty.

And, in the meantime, General Flynn has been bankrupted and Paul Manafort sits in jail in solitary confinement. An old man, Roger Stone is getting hammered cause he's a chatty-Cathy. Presume the man guilty, and fill in the blanks later. Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

Ferguson, and on, and on. I want that Small guy to go to jail if he's guilty. I'll be terribly disappointed if he's guilty and this gets swept under the rug.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

Let's see where Justice really lives!

Sal

 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 21, 2019, 07:53:58 pm
Hi Folks,

Please be careful of your internet searches and chatter:

Hasson's internet history included searches such as: 'Where in D.C. do Congress live?' and 'Best place in D.C. to see Congress people.'

I've typed in similar phrases HUNDREDS of times over the years. Ever seen Lizzie Warren's house? Recently I searched for Pelosi's house. I got Doug Engmann's house. They never give you the real addresses.

NO-ONE CONTROLS THE INTERNET, they say! Maybe not for me and you, but for THEM....

I've said it on a number of forums: How do we communicate when the canary hits the fan?

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 23, 2019, 09:53:13 am
Hi Folks,

BIG POLL HERE!

How many here think Jussie Smollett will actually commit suicide?

How many here think Jussie Smollett will be Arkancided to protect his political co-conspirators?

(You can answer next week.)

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 23, 2019, 03:34:45 pm
I think he will disappear for 6 months and then get a new role before his money runs out. He's a Dem. They won't make him pay. A queer, black democrat means he can never do no wrong in their eyes.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 24, 2019, 02:21:37 am
Hi Folks,

A Saturday Night Live comedy writer responded to the media?s false story about the Covington High kids by offering oral sex to anyone who punches them in the face.

I will ballou whoever manages to punch that MAGA kid in the face, tweeted Sarah Beattie.

Madonna and others made the same promise.

Liars!


Would evil or wicked or both or perhaps some other words be useful to describe these hateful (stars?)   And please do not use the word sick, to politically correct for the above stated by Sal.  Sal are you sure about this, this sounds like a big lie, no offense intended. Can you back this up?  Dallas, you are the attorney, what can be done about this inciting a Nation to do violence against a minor? Maybe its time for you to come out of retirement and take the case. Add a few more million to your retirement fund! Or donate to charity. I would not recommend the Clinton Foundation for obvious reasons!! :wink:

https://youtu.be/PUPN90RExU8

See Dallas! I wish you would have taken my advice and took the case! 😁😁
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on February 24, 2019, 02:38:44 pm
Thanks for the offer, but right now i'm fighting cancer and chemo (I wonder which of the two is worse), so my case load is full.  Fools like those will ultimately destroy themselves with their hate.  They don't need my help to do it.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 24, 2019, 02:50:05 pm
Thanks for the offer, but right now i'm fighting cancer and chemo (I wonder which of the two is worse), so my case load is full.  Fools like those will ultimately destroy themselves with their hate.  They don't need my help to do it.

Dallas, I send you my sympathy for your having to go through this fight. I have family which have also had to fight the fight. May I encourage you. My Mother had the fight in 1984. I am happy to tell you that she is doing well even today with the exceptions of older age and the natural problems which comes with it. She is still driving and doing all the things which a self-reliant, independent person can or wishes to do. My Daddy, had prostate cancer about 10 years ago.  Same for him, he overcame, though he is now in the hospital fighting for his life, cancer is not the problem as it has been defeated! I wish you total victory in this and a speedy recovery!
Sincerely,
Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on February 24, 2019, 03:04:37 pm
Thank you, Phillip.  Hope your father is successful in recovering health.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 24, 2019, 07:57:06 pm
Thanks Dallas, much appreciated...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 27, 2019, 07:31:20 am
Hi Folks,

Well, here we are,... at that awkward moment,

when Kim Jong Un is more willing to negotiate with President Trump

than the democrats are.

Whatta country!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on February 27, 2019, 07:35:18 am
Ironic isn?t it.
 Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on February 27, 2019, 09:47:27 am
>Well, here we are,... at that awkward moment, when Kim Jong Un is more willing to negotiate with President Trump than the democrats are.

True.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on February 27, 2019, 10:09:58 am
That's because Kim is a better person than most dems.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on February 27, 2019, 03:06:32 pm
That's because Kim is a better person than most dems.

Thats hilarious and ROUGH! Sadly true also.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on February 28, 2019, 04:31:41 am
>Well, here we are,... at that awkward moment, when Kim Jong Un is more willing to negotiate with President Trump than the democrats are.

True.

Is G&T being taken on a PR ride by NK?  Maybe the revelations from his ex lawyer put them off! :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on February 28, 2019, 09:14:36 am
>That's because Kim is a better person than most dems.

I don't know if he's "better" but he is more reasonable.  And since he's totally UNresonable, that's pretty sad...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 28, 2019, 09:35:42 am
Hi Folks,

The names have been changed to protect the innocent!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FeMvQR-0VA

Sa
l
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 28, 2019, 08:44:32 pm
Hi Folks,

It's a dog hump dog world out there!

You have to see the video:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6756719/White-woman-calls-cops-black-man-Massachusetts-dog-aggressively-humped-hers.html

Oh! And it's racial. A black guy's dog humped a white blond lady's dog. Is there a difference in dog culture between a black family's dog and a white family's dog?

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 08, 2019, 04:48:37 pm
Hi Folks,

It's a dog hump dog world out there!

You have to see the video:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6756719/White-woman-calls-cops-black-man-Massachusetts-dog-aggressively-humped-hers.html

Oh! And it's racial. A black guy's dog humped a white blond lady's dog. Is there a difference in dog culture between a black family's dog and a white family's dog?

Sal


In iddee's dream world there would be :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 08, 2019, 08:25:35 pm
At least you picked the right thread to post that on.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 09, 2019, 04:51:38 am
At least you picked the right thread to post that on.
Aw didums iddee I always try to please you! :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 09, 2019, 06:51:24 am
 :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 09, 2019, 07:23:17 am
Hi Folks,

To coin a phrase: This is America in 2019.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSNY1yYPPYA&fbclid=IwAR1MAOSjIqRQifhsmp7g7o2Rdrko2hZlVjntNZpX6QPO59pmbrlFhhiqCjk

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 09, 2019, 09:18:25 am
If you didn?t watch the whole video, go back and watch the last 3 minutes. It tells all.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 09, 2019, 10:41:48 am
If you didn?t watch the whole video, go back and watch the last 3 minutes. It tells all.
Jim

What a hateful bunch: The ones who go along with, went along with, this example of reverse hatred, or any part of it, without seeking the truth of the matter, Seem to be consumed, having a rabid blind hate, In my opinion.  When I say reversed, I mean the false accusations of hate lied about and toward Real Americans when in fact the hating left showed their true hate for said Americans with their lying  narrative, a narrative built on outright lies of hate and false accusations of MAGA patriots, all patriots who love this country, and who have graciously accepted people from every tongue and nation, who wish to become Americans and share the American Dream of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, through our proper systems. The hate is so strong and so intense toward Americans by people who also live and lurk amongst us, (and I dare not call these blind hate filled citizens, Americans). And let's not leave out the non-citizens which hate Patriotic Americans. The described seem to have eyes but can not see the truth. They have ears but can not hear what is true, and further more, they do not seem to care what is true, being consumed, fueled, and blinded by blind hate and celebrating any hope of destroying real Americans. The hate is so strong and so intense, leaving said haters, helplessly unreasonable, mean, and vicious! Similar to a rabid dog! SAD
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 10, 2019, 01:07:49 pm
Hi Folks,

ATTENTION! CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU&feature=share

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 10, 2019, 05:10:35 pm
Hi Folks,

ATTENTION! CONSPIRACY THEORISTS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU&feature=share

Sal

And of course the Republican Party doesn't do the same? pull the other one. :rolleyes:  But as AL said " You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time". The people won't be fooled by your sleazy propaganda. :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on March 10, 2019, 06:07:47 pm
Abraham Lincoln was dealing with a different kind of electorate.  When people in his day wanted something that was free, it usually was land they could work on to earn a living.  Now a large number of voters want the government (taxpayers) to give them stuff so they don?t have to work for a living.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 10, 2019, 06:55:03 pm
Abraham Lincoln was dealing with a different kind of electorate.  When people in his day wanted something that was free, it usually was land they could work on to earn a living.  Now a large number of voters want the government (taxpayers) to give them stuff so they don?t have to work for a living.
Dallas
I was using the AL quote in the context of people not necessarily being as stupid as some may think! :cheesy: not historically.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on March 10, 2019, 10:04:33 pm
I understand, but the fact is that they are.  Somebody once said nobody ever went broke by overestimating the stupidity of people, or something to that effect.  The German people were easily led down the path to ruin.  The people of Jonestown readily drank the poison Kool-aid.  The people who thought a comet was going to wipe out Earth committed mass suicide rather than face the unknown.  History is full of instances similar to these, where people were led to do things detrimental to their survival.  Is that not stupid?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 11, 2019, 05:59:05 am
I understand, but the fact is that they are.  Somebody once said nobody ever went broke by overestimating the stupidity of people, or something to that effect.  The German people were easily led down the path to ruin.  The people of Jonestown readily drank the poison Kool-aid.  The people who thought a comet was going to wipe out Earth committed mass suicide rather than face the unknown. History is full of instances similar to these, where people were led to do things detrimental to their survival.  Is that not stupid?
That's quite true, didn't a lot of people vote for Trump! :rolleyes: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 11, 2019, 09:44:59 am
Yes, but more didn't. That is proof the majority are dumb.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 11, 2019, 11:27:12 am
I used to love Ellen Page.  Then she got so angry and bitter...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 11, 2019, 02:43:48 pm
Yes, but more didn't. That is proof the majority are dumb.
Out of the mouths of babes come gurgles and dribbles ...........and that more people didn't vote for G&T than did but he still made it, money talks!  Now if that was an African/S American country the rants would be enormous " the leftists have rigged an election again" :rolleyes: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 11, 2019, 03:19:00 pm
NO, cider, you need to go back and read this thread again.

https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=52018.0

This is why we have the electoral college.One state should not have enough people power to rule all 50 states and leave the other 49 without a voice.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 11, 2019, 03:35:19 pm
NO, cider, you need to go back and read this thread again.

https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=52018.0

This is why we have the electoral college.One state should not have enough people power to rule all 50 states and leave the other 49 without a voice.
So presumably you would have no objections to California seceding to become a independent country?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on March 11, 2019, 04:20:21 pm
Quote
So presumably you would have no objections to California seceding to become a independent country?

I'd be good with that and they can take my state and WA with them.  I'll go elsewhere.  For some reason, leftists want to clump up.  Maybe it gives them a sense of security   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 11, 2019, 04:53:33 pm
 YEEESSSS   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 11, 2019, 09:01:53 pm
Hi Folks,

Do I have this right? Wasn't it Mark Twain who said:

I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty,

and besides, THE PIG LIKES IT.



Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 11, 2019, 09:06:25 pm
Me toooo. Yesssss. And take New York too, not the state, just the city.
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 04:53:04 am
Me toooo. Yesssss. And take New York too, not the state, just the city.
Jim
Yippeee, lets all head for Kansas and become linemen/people :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 12, 2019, 06:45:16 am
Me toooo. Yesssss. And take New York too, not the state, just the city.
Jim
Yippeee, lets all head for Kansas and become linemen/people :cheesy:
Hay, are you insinuating lineman? 😊
Jim
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 12, 2019, 07:20:15 am
YEP, some need to actually work. You know, do things, so the elite can enjoy life.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 12, 2019, 09:31:34 am
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 01:38:08 pm
Me toooo. Yesssss. And take New York too, not the state, just the city.
Jim
Yippeee, lets all head for Kansas and become linemen/people :cheesy:
Hay, are you insinuating lineman?
Jim
not insulting either :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 01:51:43 pm
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 12, 2019, 01:55:10 pm
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:

Yes; We left England and came to America. Come and join us Cide. Reformed of course😁
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 02:05:38 pm
YEP, some need to actually work. You know, do things, so the elite can enjoy life.
Well I'm sure G&T will thank-you for your hard work in keeping him in his golf courses, his clubhouse in Florida etc etc :rolleyes:
Keep it up! he loves his useful idiots, or should that be...... useful iddee :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 02:29:39 pm
Quote
So presumably you would have no objections to California seceding to become a independent country?

I'd be good with that and they can take my state and WA with them.  I'll go elsewhere.  For some reason, leftists want to clump up.  Maybe it gives them a sense of security   :cheesy:
With Oregon going down the tubes like in these videos
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-47332054
Its not surprising you could be joining your friends in Kansas! :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 12, 2019, 03:49:18 pm
""Keep it up! he loves his useful idiots, or should that be...... useful iddee""

Make up your mind, cider. Are you referring to yourself, or me? I see you mention both.  :wink:   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on March 12, 2019, 05:51:18 pm
Quote
With Oregon going down the tubes like in these videos

Not Oregon.  Portland.

The stuff in Portland and Seattle has been going on for years.  For the most part it has been anarchist groups.  In Portland the Mayer is also the head of the police dept.  He, or she, has been rabidly liberal for as long as I have been here.  This las mayor might be the worst.  The police have been told in the past not to confront the riots and so millions in damage have been done to stores downtown.  He finally figured out that letting nutters rampage through the streets is not a good thing, but the damage has been done in that Portland is now seen as the place to go get violent over anything you don't like.  Seattle also. 
Portland was where the INS agents were being threatened and even when emergency calls were made the Mayor wouldn't let the police respond.

They got a new police chief and she seems to have to balls to do her job in spite of the mayor and he has shut up because of all the damage done.  Win-win.

When they have marches now Patriot Prayer and Antifa are kept apart and most of the arrests seem to be Antifa.  Not a surprise since Antifa is routinely violent no matter where they go. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 12, 2019, 06:20:18 pm
>I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals

Unfortunately, that's not what happens.  They leave liberal states because their policies have made it too expensive to live there and they take their politics to the state they move to and implement them there.  Colorado is a good example.  If I had predicted in the 60's that Colorado would outlaw leg hold traps and mountain lion hunting they would have locked me up as crazy... but then all the Californians moved there...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 12, 2019, 06:25:13 pm
""Keep it up! he loves his useful idiots, or should that be...... useful iddee""

Make up your mind, cider. Are you referring to yourself, or me? I see you mention both.  :wink:   :cheesy:
I think I'll leave you with this again, go through it word by word, munch on it, cogitate and maybe get a second opinion and then let me know if you understand what it says :wink:
"Well I'm sure G&T will thank-you for your hard work in keeping him in his golf courses, his clubhouse in Florida etc etc "  :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on March 12, 2019, 06:28:36 pm
butt then all the Californians moved there...

Not all of them.  Some own ranches in WY.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 12, 2019, 10:53:34 pm
Yeah, Cider. I like playing golf, don't you?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 13, 2019, 08:19:52 am
>Not all of them.  Some own ranches in WY.

And Montana and Idaho and New Mexico...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 13, 2019, 08:46:23 am
>Not all of them.  Some own ranches in WY.

And Montana and Idaho and New Mexico...
Good walk spoiled by having to look for a little white ball :cheesy:If your happy to pay into his company, carry on. :rolleyes: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 13, 2019, 09:06:23 am
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:

Yes; We left England and came to America. Come and join us Cide. Reformed of course😁
Reformed from what to what? The Prayer Boy type Republican or the Antifa type Democrat. I think I would prefer to stay more or less as a Centrist, that I am. :smile:
Ben watch you don't drift  over to the Patriot Prayer group :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 13, 2019, 11:31:58 am
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:

Yes; We left England and came to America. Come and join us Cide. Reformed of course😁
Reformed from what to what? The Prayer Boy type Republican or the Antifa type Democrat. I think I would prefer to stay more or less as a Centrist, that I am. :smile:
Ben watch you don't drift  over to the Prayer Boys side :wink:

Haa haa 😁 I say my prayers Cider. But to be honest, probably not enough. 😁 Reformed to Life, Liberty, and the  pursuit of Happiness, A government of the people for the people and by the people as according to our constitution. A belief of One Nation under God with Liberty and Justice for all.  This is what every immigrant is supposed to know and believe before taking an oath to become an American citizen along with other important values. It's more than coming here to look for a better job, or a higher standard of life. Yes, those things are good. But more importantly an  immigrant should come here in the frame of mind understanding what this country is about and what it was originally founded to represent. Also an immigrant should love The idea of what America stands for and thus  Love America. That is what PDT was trying to get across and is trying to get across in his speeches. We want Immigrants  to come here but we want them to love us, meaning understanding the primary  fundamentals of  our countries foundation and our country's way of life. And love that idea.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 13, 2019, 02:20:02 pm
>lets all head for Kansas ...

Please don't ruin Kansas... it's a beautiful place right now we don't need a bunch of liberals to screw it up!
I understood it involved Rightists abandoning Coastal States and moving to more 'welcoming states' to set up camp, not liberals :cheesy:

Yes; We left England and came to America. Come and join us Cide. Reformed of course😁
Reformed from what to what? The Prayer Boy type Republican or the Antifa type Democrat. I think I would prefer to stay more or less as a Centrist, that I am. :smile:
Ben watch you don't drift  over to the Prayer Boys side :wink:

Haa haa 😁 I say my prayers Cider. But to be honest, probably not enough. 😁 Reformed to Life, Liberty, and the  pursuit of Happiness, A government of the people for the people and by the people as according to our constitution. A belief of One Nation under God with Liberty and Justice for all.  This is what every immigrant is supposed to know and believe before taking an oath to become an American citizen along with other important values. It's more than coming here to look for a better job, or a higher standard of life. Yes, those things are good. But more importantly an  immigrant should come here in the frame of mind understanding what this country is about and what it was originally founded to represent. Also an immigrant should love The idea of what America stands for and thus  Love America. That is what PDT was trying to get across and is trying to get across in his speeches. We want Immigrants  to come here but we want them to love us, meaning understanding the primary  fundamentals of  our countries foundation and our country's way of life. And love that idea.

One Nation under God with Liberty and Justice for all.

If it is "One nation under god" Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats? ie The Neo-Cons ranting about the 'coastal states' that happen to be Lefty Dems. After all your "One Nation" is vastly different than the one of two hundred years ago.

What about the 'Americans' who don't want to be under a god? should they be dis-enfranchised?
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 13, 2019, 02:43:38 pm
"If it is "One nation under god" Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats? ie The Neo-Cons ranting about the 'coastal states' that happen to be Lefty Dems. After all your "One Nation" is vastly different than the one of two hundred years ago"

Whoops. That was suppose to be One Nation under God, Indivisible , with Liberty and Justice for all . Thanks Cider for your insight and leading me to correct this mistake. 😊  "Hum" 😊
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 13, 2019, 03:11:37 pm
Cider, a loving family has disagreements among the siblings. Nothing wrong with that, It is still one loving family.  It's when outsiders come in and try to change the family's habits that the real trouble begins.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 13, 2019, 03:27:41 pm
I, for one do not want to see secession by any State. I would rather that State which seems to have went rogue from the document of our United States Constitution, would simply rerun to the love of the Constitution, ,thus, the Nation. But unfortunately they don't seem to be in this frame of mind.  Just as Believing in God and his Holy Son Jesus, which was accepted by many Americans,  and a vital part of America is being rejected by many. Our Holy God does not force individuals to believe in him or force them to worship him. He displayed his love to every man, woman, and child via his Sons time here, always to the Cross. Which was A labor of pure love. We each have a choice to believe or reject. This love told to us by four witnesses who lived walked and talked to and with Jesus and written in Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John. As far as the legalities of states forced to comply with the  Constitution , I'm not educated enough. Prehaps others will chime in. I do know this has been tried here before and led to a Civil war.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 13, 2019, 03:28:42 pm
Cider, a loving family has disagreements among the siblings. Nothing wrong with that, It is still one loving family.  It's when outsiders come in and try to change the family's habits that the real trouble begins.

That's right iddee, thank you!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on March 13, 2019, 03:33:24 pm
Quote
Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats?

Because we are a nation of states.  Our federal government was not meant to do most of what it is doing.  Most powers were to be left to the states.  In that way, people could design the type of governance they wanted.

"Under God" is simply a reminder that our rights are from our creator.  Why?  Because again, it removes the government.  If the government did not give us rights, it can not take those rights from us.  We were born with them.  Additionally, all free nations have based their laws on Judeo-Christian tenets.  When they have strayed from those basics they have gotten in trouble.  French revolution, Germany, etc. 

You don't have to believe in (A) God to be in the club, but you should recognize the value of not being controlled/ruled and the genesis of that kind of government. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 13, 2019, 03:42:41 pm
>Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats?

Why are we "the United States of America" ?  Because that's what we are.  Why are they at each others throats?  Because some people think it's their job to make other people do what they think they should do.  So the liberal states try to make other states like them.  The rest of us just want government to leave us alone.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 13, 2019, 06:28:35 pm
>Why do you still maintain separate states that seem to be at each others throats?

Why are we "the United States of America" ?  Because that's what we are.  Why are they at each others throats?  Because some people think it's their job to make other people do what they think they should do.  So the liberal states try to make other states like them.  The rest of us just want government to leave us alone.
Why do you say "the liberal states"try to make other states like them, do the rightist states not try the same?
please see below...


'Conservative' Is Not the Opposite of 'Liberal'
A short rant about the language we use to talk about politics

Arthur Holtz
Feb 22, 2017


It drives me nuts how people in the United States use the words 'liberal' and 'conservative' to describe the political spectrum as if the two are complete opposites. I don't think they are necessarily so. The proper opposite of liberal is illiberal, whereas the proper opposite of the word conservative is something along the lines of reformist.

To explore, let's start off with the word I find easier to define: Conservative. You might associate conservative with concepts like a market economy and religiousness, but I don't think those have to be core components of conservatism. To explain why, let's look at the word's origin.

Conservative comes from the Latin conservare, which can be translated as 'to keep intact' or 'to preserve or maintain.' There's nothing about the word conservative that implies support for markets or religion. Conservative simply means you want to conserve the way things are. Makes sense, right?

Moving on to the other piece of the puzzle, liberal refers to an adherent of liberalism, the ideology born of the Enlightenment. I won?t bore you with a long-winded history or philosophy lesson (for which I am unqualified to lecture on anyway) but here is what you need to know: Liberalism, as formulated by its originators in the 17th and 18th centuries, emphasizes the liberty of individuals.

By these definitions, liberal and conservative are not mutually exclusive. If you currently live in a liberal society ' that is, one that upholds the ideals of liberalism' and you want to keep things that way, one could reasonably describe you as simultaneously liberal and conservative without any contradiction.

Using those same definitions, you can also see how strange it is to use conservative as the opposite of liberal, and vice-versa. The proper opposite of conservative is someone who embraces changing the status quo. I don't think there's even a word for that in English. Reformist or progressive are the closest things I can think of, but they don't strike me as quite the right words. If anyone knows a better one, please tell me!

Similarly, the proper opposite of a liberal is someone who rejects the tenets of liberalism. There are numerous -isms opposed to liberalism, and you've probably heard of most of them. To name just a few, there is monarchism, totalitarianism, fascism, socialism, communism, and so on. We can describe these philosophies or their adherents as illiberal, although one should recognize that word often carries negative connotations.

I know this all sounds incredibly nitpicky, but can we please be more careful in our use of the words liberal and conservative? It's always difficult to argue for linguistic prescription since language doesn't arise through executive fiat, but I still feel the way I use liberal and conservative is more consistent with the words origins. In the interest of conserving their meanings, I hope you will consider not using them so liberally.

Inspired by Friedrich Hayek's 'Why I Am Not a Conservative'
Regards
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on March 13, 2019, 09:44:46 pm
Cider,

In the US the origin of the conservative/liberal label is refering to construction of our Constitution. Conservative construction holds that unless powers are specifically expressed in the Constitution, the federal government has no power in that area. Liberal construction holds that the constitution is subject to evolving interpretation over time and differing circumstances.
Naturally, over time the definition itself has evolved and many so-called conservative ideals are at odds with the Constitution and many liberal ideals are very strict in their construction of that document.

 Hope I didn't mess the discussion up.:smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 14, 2019, 03:20:05 pm
Cider,

In the US the origin of the conservative/liberal label is refering to construction of our Constitution. Conservative construction holds that unless powers are specifically expressed in the Constitution, the federal government has no power in that area. Liberal construction holds that the constitution is subject to evolving interpretation over time and differing circumstances.
Naturally, over time the definition itself has evolved and many so-called conservative ideals are at odds with the Constitution and many liberal ideals are very strict in their construction of that document.

 Hope I didn't mess the discussion up.:smile:
Doesn't mess it up for me  :smile: but certainly seems a can of worms :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on March 14, 2019, 05:32:30 pm
Quote
but certainly seems a can of worms

Nah, this is one of those places where you have to have followed the evolution of hijacked terms.  It's in the vein of the oft-repeated untruth that somewhere along the line the Republican and Democrat parties switched.  This did not happen although it is true that the Republicans have gone left rather than the Democrats going right.  That's why I don't ID with a party line.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 16, 2019, 08:40:27 am
Hi Folks,

WOW!

Anywayyyyy. Back to the lies.

Chelsea Clinton is berated by Muslim NYU students who blame HER for New Zealand mosques attack because she 'incited an Islamophobic mob' against Rep Ilhan Omar

What ever happened to The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Tribalism apparently works? Is this what peace looks like in the Middle East? Who are these people?

What happened to the great melting pot? What happened to lots of stuff? What happened to being American FIRST? What happened to respect for each other?

Poor US!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 16, 2019, 08:30:43 pm
Hi Folks,

Membah this?

20 killed, dozens wounded in Philippines church bombings
By Madeline Holcombe and Virma Simonette, CNN
Updated 7:32 PM ET, Sun January 27, 2019


(CNN)Two bombs tore through a Roman Catholic cathedral in southern Philippines on Sunday, killing at least 20 people and leaving dozens wounded, authorities said.

ISIS on Sunday claimed responsibility for the bombings via its Amaq News Agency. Shortly after the Amaq report, ISIS' "East Asia Province" also issued a formal communique for the twin suicide bombings.

I didn't think so.

By the way. How come the font size and color aren't working anymore???? It's not paranoia when they're really after you.

Was it something I said? Or just the way I said it?

I'm old! I hate that small print.

Sal



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 16, 2019, 08:46:06 pm
What's  wrong with the font  and color?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: herbhome on March 17, 2019, 01:31:58 am
What's  wrong with the font  and color?
:grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 18, 2019, 07:06:22 am
N E V E R M I N D
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 18, 2019, 08:52:32 am
 :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on March 19, 2019, 10:19:15 am
>I'm old! I hate that small print.

Hold down the control key and roll your scroll wheel up or press "+" and the text will get bigger on any windows system running Chrome or IE or Firefox...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 19, 2019, 05:46:03 pm
On a Mac, press the command button and the + button.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 20, 2019, 09:46:00 am
Hi Folks,

Happy International Day of Happiness day!

Please turn up your speakers and click the link for the Have a Nice Day song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpJg-3M4y5c

Sal

They really are after me, you know.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 20, 2019, 08:41:41 pm
Hi Folks,

This might be "fun".

"I came here to tell you the truth, the good,... the bad,... and the ugly."

We all know "the big lies": The check is in the mail. Roll over. I love you. The dog ate my homework.

Recently we've all become too aware of the lies we've been told over the years. Some are whoppers. Others simply frustrating because we know they are lies. How can they say such things?

Let's recall some of those "unforgettable" little gems from the past. I want to see the ones that make us smile,... groan,... face palm. I want to see the big ones and the little ones. You can tell us who said it,... or wait to see who knows who said it. Try to only post one or two at a time. Post your best. We all know a ton of 'em, but give the next poster a chance to present his jewel. Too many all in the same post diminishes the impact of all of them.

I'll start out with a great one:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."
[/i][/b]
"
I know its a bit late, but I didn't either :cheesy:
Sad I know to be reading old posts :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on April 02, 2019, 07:20:40 pm
Have we had this one yet? 

These bonds will add nothing to your taxes. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 02, 2019, 08:12:09 pm
And do not forget,...  REVENUE NEUTRAL!

Naturally when the supply of millionaires fails, and it will, the hacks? definition of millionaire will become anyone who makes over, say, $40,000 a year. But logically, how can you simultaneously promote both a progressive income tax and regressive tolling for people who can?t afford to live in the city?

Answer: You can?t.

Revenue neutral is as big a fraud as a ?sun-setted? tax, which theoretically means that when the purpose of said tax is realized, the tax ends. Example: When the bonds that financed the original Mass Pike construction were paid off, the tolls would come down,... In 1988.

How?s that ?sun-setted? tax working out for you?

Another myth is ?earmarked? taxes. Remember the automatic gas-tax increases that these same DOT hacks were promoting in 2014? All the additional funds ? 100 percent ? would have supposedly gone to repairing the so-called crumbling infrastructure.

Talk about taxation without representation. Around here, taxation with representation is odious enough.

Not my words,.., but my song!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 14, 2019, 08:49:33 am
Hi Folks,

Patriot's Day tomorrow. Go out and salute a flag.

California's latest Fuddle Duddle

?People are actually ridiculous enough to bring up comments about our cop cars having American flags on them.?
? Councilman Peter Blake, Laguna Beach, Calif.


Attorney Jennifer Welsh Zeiter said she thought the police cars were ?exceptional? and suggested that the opposition might have a political motive. She said some people are so filled with hate toward President Trump ?that they cannot see through their current biases to realize that a police vehicle with the American flag is the ultimate American expression.?

VTY

Sal


Oh! Don't forget to file your taxes. I got two extra days here in Taxachusetts
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 14, 2019, 05:53:12 pm
Have we had this one yet? 

These bonds will add nothing to your taxes.

One of our favourites was "We will not raise tuition fees" (as in 'university fees') The Liberal-Democrats party before going into coalition with the Conservative and Unionist Party. Total liars :angry:   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on April 14, 2019, 06:49:22 pm
... Total liars :angry:

True - Politicians at almost every level it seems.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on April 15, 2019, 08:24:20 am
You can always tell when politicians are lying.  Their lips are moving...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 15, 2019, 12:34:27 pm
Quote
"We will not raise tuition fees"

"fees" and taxes, which are pretty much the same thing when collected by the government, are the things that keep governments humming along.  If you don't want more of them, then you don't want more government.

College tuition when up a lot after our government decided to take over the student loan program.  Why anyone thought that was a good idea is beyond me.  Easy money on one end leads to increased taking on the other. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017/02/22/how-unlimited-student-loans-drive-up-tuition/#7d01a13c52b6
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 17, 2019, 01:15:43 am
Quote
"We will not raise tuition fees"

"fees" and taxes, which are pretty much the same thing when collected by the government, are the things that keep governments humming along.  If you don't want more of them, then you don't want more government.

College tuition when up a lot after our government decided to take over the student loan program.  Why anyone thought that was a good idea is beyond me.  Easy money on one end leads to increased taking on the other. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2017/02/22/how-unlimited-student-loans-drive-up-tuition/#7d01a13c52b6

Yes and I bet the giving and taking ratio was not 1 to 1 either.    :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 18, 2019, 06:17:44 pm
Hi Folks,

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was pumped to attend a taping of The Price Is Right in Hollywood this week. The special guest introduced herself as a U.S. representative and rising star of the Democratic Party. Things got interesting when the game began and every time it was her turn to estimate the price of an item her answer was ?free.?

Items included a set of Italian leather handbags, an all expenses paid trip to the Bahamas, and a brand new 2019 BMW 330i, at all of which Ocasio-Cortez shouted, ?FREE!?

When host Drew Carey asked if Ocasio-Cortez understood the game?s rules, she told Carey not to cat-call her and then responded, ?Don?t hate me cause you ain?t me.?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 19, 2019, 10:34:09 pm
Hi Folks,

Truth is stranger than fiction. James Comey tweeted:

The president claiming the FBI?s investigation was ?TREASON? reminds me that a Russian once said, ?A lie told often enough becomes the truth.? That shouldn?t happen in America. Who will stand up?

Sal


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on May 20, 2019, 06:21:18 am
Comey should know. He has started enough of them
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 25, 2019, 09:38:53 am
Hi Folks,

Rep. Adam Schiff: Declassifying Documents Is ?New and Dangerous Phase? of Trump?s 'Coverup'.

So lemmee get dis straight. Giving the U.S. citizens more information,... is a cover-up????

How so Obi Wan?

Perhaps the meaning is that it is dangerous to the democrats coverup.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on May 26, 2019, 03:34:14 pm
Quote
Rep. Adam Schiff: Declassifying Documents Is ?New and Dangerous Phase? of Trump?s 'Coverup'.

On any subject he is a complete idiot.  In this case, I think he and his buddies are getting a little nervous.  Kinda makes you wonder what is in those documents to make them nervous?  Guess we'll find out.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 16, 2019, 08:45:57 am
Hi Folks,

U.S. Escalates Online Attacks on Russia?s Power Grid

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/15/us/politics/trump-cyber-russia-grid.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage


And Trump wasn't even told, DONTCHA KNOW!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 21, 2019, 08:50:34 am
Hi Folks,

OK!

A drone was shot down.

Justin Trudeau met with Iranian officials on June 17, closed doors.

Justin then met with President Trump yesterday.

Who is this guy Alexandre (Sacha) Trudeau????

From a paper in 2014:
Not only is Justin Trudeau, son of former Liberal Prime Minister of Canada Pierre Trudeau and current Liberal Party Leader himself, a suspected closet Islamist, his brother Alexandre Trudeau, a top adviser of his, has been involved with propaganda operations of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its bogus claims regarding its nuclear program and smears and slurs against Israel.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 24, 2019, 11:06:36 pm
Hi Folks,

Apparently, Nancy Polosi is a little ticked off that the the President didn't bomb the sand out of Iraq.

She thinks something is up with Sock-boy (aka Justin Trudeau) spilling the beans to Trump. The following is all CODE for.... something:

Pelosi will also be meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Thursday. The speaker is expected to make good on her wager with the leader after her hometown team, the Golden State Warriors, lost the NBA championship to the Toronto Raptors. Pelosi will be giving Trudeau some of California's best known products -- among them wine and Ghirardelli chocolate.

I'm telling you. You can't tell the players without a program.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on July 23, 2019, 07:08:39 am
The biggest lie I was told,
      Eat all your food so you can grow up to be big and strong... All it did is make me grow up and be big and fat.  :wink:

     BEE HAPPY  Jim134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 24, 2019, 08:38:39 am
Hi Folks,

HEADLINE!

BOSTON UNIVERSITY STUDY

Transgender College Students Are Up to Four Times as Likely to Experience Mental Health Problems


https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/transgender-college-students-mental-health-problems/

No kidding Dick Tracy.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Anonimo22 on August 24, 2019, 08:56:53 am
Hi Folks,

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was pumped to attend a taping of The Price Is Right in Hollywood this week. The special guest introduced herself as a U.S. representative and rising star of the Democratic Party. Things got interesting when the game began and every time it was her turn to estimate the price of an item her answer was ?free.?

Items included a set of Italian leather handbags, an all expenses paid trip to the Bahamas, and a brand new 2019 BMW 330i, at all of which Ocasio-Cortez shouted, ?FREE!?

When host Drew Carey asked if Ocasio-Cortez understood the game?s rules, she told Carey not to cat-call her and then responded, ?Don?t hate me cause you ain?t me.?

Sal


Nice.

Let's not forget all her campaign finance violations. Although to be fair, I often mix up AOC's campaign finance violations with Ilhan Omar's.

And the sad part of this is that probably a great chunk of Congress also has all kinds of campaign finance violations.

A lot of the money going to these people and to lobbing IS really from foreign governments trying to change ours.

And what makes it even more frustrating is these foreign governments then accuse of being the bad guys, when it was their money in the first place trying to bribe our leaders. Endless circle of chaos.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 17, 2019, 08:50:41 am
Hi Folks,

Dirty, dirty politics!

They got nothing, nothing but lies. These are bad people.

From Hunter Thompson:

This is one of the oldest and most effective tricks in politics.  Every hack in the business has used it in times of trouble, and it has even been elevated to the level of political mythology in a story about one of Lyndon Johnson?s early campaigns in Texas.  The race was close and Johnson was getting worried.  Finally he told his campaign manager to start a massive rumor campaign about his opponent?s life-long habit of enjoying carnal knowledge of his own barnyard sows.

?Christ, we can?t get a way calling him a pig-_______,? the campaign manager protested.  ?Nobody?s going to believe a thing like that.?

?I know,? Johnson replied.  ?But let?s make the sonofabitch deny it.?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 19, 2019, 02:56:00 pm
I think I have heard just about every dirty trick LBJ allegedly pulled, but never heard this.  I think it is nonsense somebody made up for the internet, probably told first about some other politician. 

The young Lyndon Johnson was actually pretty conservative by today's standards.  There were two wings on the Democratic party in Texas, one liberal and one conservative, and virtually no Republican party.  Many of the conservative Democrats moved to the Republican label in the late 1960s.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 19, 2019, 11:27:27 pm
I think I have heard just about every dirty trick LBJ allegedly pulled, but never heard this.  I think it is nonsense somebody made up for the internet, probably told first about some other politician. 

The young Lyndon Johnson was actually pretty conservative by today's standards.  There were two wings on the Democratic party in Texas, one liberal and one conservative, and virtually no Republican party.  Many of the conservative Democrats moved to the Republican label in the late 1960s.

Your explanation sounds accurate and reasonable to me Dallas. Can you imagine the repercussions against Mr Johnson, especially back in that day, of such a statement of accusation? There were two wings of the Democratic Party in Mississippi, similar as you described in Texas, during that era. I have heard the older folks discussing this very thing when I was a boy. The liberal democrats went off to the left so far with their extremism, that Conservative Democrats could no longer go along. So, the Republican Party was their choice, for that very reason. From what I understand, the South as a whole was apparently, pretty much the same way? Thus politically, the South was known as the Solid South during that period; is that right?
Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 20, 2019, 12:36:45 am
The Solid South it was, Phillip.  The Democrats could rely on the Southern vote until about 1948, when the Dixiecrats started splitting off from the democratic party.  Of course, we had democrats like Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton (the latter 3 being Southerners) elected after that, but the conservative wing of the democrat party started splitting off in 1948.  In 1968, George  Wallace carried five Southern states with his segregationist views.  That may have helped Richard Nixon win the presidency, since his race took votes away from the democrats.  After that, Republicans continued to gain ground in the South.  Democrats seem to have been gaining recently in the South as people move from the left coast and North, but if they continue to lean farther left, I expect voters will abandon them -- or vote some other way because the Democrats have abandoned them, to state it more accurately.  It could be time for a third party to gain a stronger voice in national politics, taking votes from both the GOP and the Democrats. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 20, 2019, 12:42:43 am
I meant to point out the term yellow dog Democrat was used to describe voters in the South for many years.  They would vote for a yellow dog if it ran for office on the Democrat ticket.  And they seemed to be proud to identify themselves as such.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on September 20, 2019, 01:11:29 am
IF I understand my history correctly - "IF" - the Republicans first [successful] Presidential Candidate was Abraham Lincoln. The Republicans formed as a "split-off" from the Whig party. The Republicans then went on to free All Slaves [after winning the Civil War against the Democrats]. ... etc ...

Lotta "IF's" there ...

If all the above "IF's" are correct - it makes sense to me today, as I watch the Democrat Party flounder - seemingly lost to itself, that the time has [nearly] come for a new [more realistic/intelligent] party to form out of the current ashes of the Democrat party - if they've any hope at all of survival ... as Dallas said ...

Pls feel very free to correct me on any errors ...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 20, 2019, 02:28:04 am
IF I understand my history correctly - "IF" - the Republicans first [successful] Presidential Candidate was Abraham Lincoln. The Republicans formed as a "split-off" from the Whig party. The Republicans then went on to free All Slaves [after winning the Civil War against the Democrats]. ... etc ...

Lotta "IF's" there ...

If all the above "IF's" are correct - it makes sense to me today, as I watch the Democrat Party flounder - seemingly lost to itself, that the time has [nearly] come for a new [more realistic/intelligent] party to form out of the current ashes of the Democrat party - if they've any hope at all of survival ... as Dallas said ...

Pls feel very free to correct me on any errors ...

Over my head Alan, I have no ground to correct you if you are wrong. Except the unfair taxing continued on for the South. Which was the main culprit for the war.  I will say the New Democratic Party that I see today looks more like a communist party to me. Or at the least, an Anti-Constitutional party on the outside looking in. I am thinking the sober minded Democrats (Conservative) democrats at the time of Johnson, later began moving to the Republican Party about the time of Mr Reagan?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 20, 2019, 11:15:37 pm
The Solid South it was, Phillip.  The Democrats could rely on the Southern vote until about 1948, when the Dixiecrats started splitting off from the democratic party.  Of course, we had democrats like Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton (the latter 3 being Southerners) elected after that, but the conservative wing of the democrat party started splitting off in 1948.  In 1968, George  Wallace carried five Southern states with his segregationist views.  That may have helped Richard Nixon win the presidency, since his race took votes away from the democrats.  After that, Republicans continued to gain ground in the South.  Democrats seem to have been gaining recently in the South as people move from the left coast and North, but if they continue to lean farther left, I expect voters will abandon them -- or vote some other way because the Democrats have abandoned them, to state it more accurately.  It could be time for a third party to gain a stronger voice in national politics, taking votes from both the GOP and the Democrats.

Dallas this makes scenes to me, thanks for the educational value of your post, I especially enjoyed it. 
Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 21, 2019, 12:59:56 am
Hi Folks,

I read Hunter Thompson^s stuff years ago. He is the source for that LBJ story.

See here:

https://masscommons.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/fear-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail-make-them-deny-it/

MAKE THEM DENY IT!

Bad stuff.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 23, 2019, 10:02:31 pm
Can't make it up Folks,

Those silly Brits!

Children as young as SIX are to be given compulsory self-touching lessons that critics say are sexualising youngsters

    The lessons are part of the controversial All About Me teaching programme
    All About Me is being rolled out across 241 primaries by Warwickshire County Council
    Campaigners warn that inappropriate sexual material could be given to children.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7490415/Children-young-SIX-given-compulsory-self-touching-lessons.html

Remember Monte Python? Those were the days,... British humor. Now, nobody is laughing.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 26, 2019, 07:31:18 am
Hi Folks,

We've sorta heard about this, but have you seen it firsthand? Joe Biden bragging? I had to see it for myself. NPR won't tell me.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/24/watch-joe-biden-brag-about-bribing-ukraine-to-fire-the-prosecutor-investigating-his-sons-company/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on September 26, 2019, 08:25:12 am
And how dare Trump try to find out if Biden bribed a Ukranian with a billion dollars of our money!  Who does he think he is!  The president of the United States?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on September 26, 2019, 04:12:02 pm
Someone floated the theory that this was stirred by dems up in order to bring up the Biden stuff and knock him out of the running.  I think that is too much thinking to expect from them, but it may have the effect anyway.

News is also coming out that the whistleblower is a CIA person.  A little Brennan plant anyone?

This is going to be fun.  I await impeachment and discovery. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 26, 2019, 11:09:01 pm
Someone floated the theory that this was stirred by dems up in order to bring up the Biden stuff and knock him out of the running.  I think that is too much thinking to expect from them, but it may have the effect anyway.

News is also coming out that the whistleblower is a CIA person.  A little Brennan plant anyone?

This is going to be fun.  I await impeachment and discovery.

X2
President Trump knows what he is doing, a master chess player. Looks he is setting them up, and getting ready to open up  a can of what Bobby Bushea opened in the movie. Difference is Mr Trump is no water boy.
 :shocked:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on September 27, 2019, 10:48:43 am
It is not so much that Trump is brilliant.  It doesn?t require a great tactician to defeat an opponent that is dumb as a board.  The Democrats are acting like totall idiots these days, making it easy for Trump to appear smart.

I did think, based on the report in the Wall Street Journal, that Trump?s speech to the United Nations earlier this week was excellent.  I would like to read the text of his entire speech to see if it really was that well-reasoned and restrained.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on September 27, 2019, 06:32:02 pm
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-74th-session-united-nations-general-assembly/

I think this is the whole thing.

I listened to a bit of it and it was good.  Encouraging each nation to do what is best for their own people. A proper view of nationalism. 

I think the entire thing is on Youtube too if you want to listen to it.  I prefer reading, but sometimes tone is important too. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 30, 2019, 10:57:56 pm
Hi Folks,

For the prize behind curtain number three....

WHO SAID THIS LAST SATURDAY?

The best possible path, especially if you are concerned about a country that has never been more divided, perhaps more highly polarized every day, is for this president to resign. Allow this country to heal, and assure that we come back together with the greatest, most ambitious agenda we?ve ever faced, none of it possible while he remains in power.

Who wants to play?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 01, 2019, 12:32:37 am


Hi Folks,

For the prize behind curtain number three....

WHO SAID THIS LAST SATURDAY?

The best possible path, especially if you are concerned about a country that has never been more divided, perhaps more highly polarized every day, is for this president to resign. Allow this country to heal, and assure that we come back together with the greatest, most ambitious agenda we?ve ever faced, none of it possible while he remains in power.

Who wants to play?

Sal

I don't know this clowns name because I did not hear the quote, but this person must think all Americans have a low IQ? I will play and take three guesses, Could be one of the following Shepard Smith, Juan Williams, or even Geraldo Rivera?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 01, 2019, 07:38:27 am
Nope. None of those guys.

Some other hints from the Urban Dictionary:

This guy is a spaz. Means a person that acts insane or mentally retarded.
This guy ran around screaming with his tounge hanging out like a spaz.

Someone who is hyperactive, or overly energetic
He can never sit still, he is a bit of a spaz

An irrationally nervous or jumpy person.
Dude, that Tweek from El Paso is such a spaz.

verb. to go insane, break, or otherwise act oddly.

He is totally spazzing. - when somebody is going mad

Many people assume he is just off his meds.

Any more guesses?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on October 01, 2019, 08:22:35 am
Spaz is short for spasm or spasmodic.  And when applied to a person is what you have already pointed out.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 01, 2019, 09:13:10 am
Unless his name starts with a B, ends with an O, and has e&t in the middle, I have no idea who it may be.   :tongue:  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 02, 2019, 10:03:39 pm
Hi Folks,

The booby prize goes to IDDEE!

I've been trying for twenty minutes to post a photo of those prize boobies, but a moderator keeps blocking me.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on October 03, 2019, 06:58:33 am
Salvo,
Unless there is something connected to the picture that is forbidden, you should bee able to post it. Did you make sure it was as small enough?
Send me the picture and I will post it.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 03, 2019, 08:16:22 pm
Hi Sawdust,

Hakuna Matata.

I had no booby pictures,... but it was a funny line, and twenty minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Nyuk Nyuk!

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 08, 2019, 11:11:26 am
Hi Sawdust,

Hakuna Matata.

I had no booby pictures,... but it was a funny line, and twenty minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Nyuk Nyuk!

Sal
Statement by  Anne Sacoolas the 42 yr old wife of a US 'diplomat'? stationed at a US Air Force Base in the UK. After she allegedly drove on the wrong side of the road (right instead of left) and hit an 18 yr old motorcyclist head-on, killing him. After being interviewed by the Police stated "I have no intention of leaving the country" less than two weeks later she and her family decamped to the US without informing anyone and now cannot be contacted (they are claiming Diplomatic Immunity) Is this a correct use of 'Diplomatic immunity' or should it now be a case of tit for tat?
I think there is a saying 'How to make friends and influence people' or 'With friends like these, who needs enemies' :rolleyes:
cider :sad: :angry:     
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 08, 2019, 12:07:58 pm
This is one more time we agree, cider. She should stand trial. You're going to have to quit this. It'll ruin our reputations.    :shocked: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on October 08, 2019, 12:13:44 pm
Agreed 100%.   Diplomatic immunity is badly abused by many bad actors.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 08, 2019, 01:23:20 pm
Quote
his is one more time we agree, cider. She should stand trial. You're going to have to quit this. It'll ruin our reputations.   

Quote
Agreed 100%.   Diplomatic immunity is badly abused by many bad actors.

Mixed feelings on this.  What she did was wrong, but diplomatic immunity exists for a reason.  It is generally not waved for things like traffic accidents absent something like DUI, and there is no indication that she was under the influence.  I also suspect that leaving was more the SD idea.  It was a bad idea.

I understand the upset, but this kind of thing happens all the time and it happens here a lot because the UN is here.  It's the tradeoff we get for protecting diplomats from bad actors in bad places. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 08, 2019, 03:14:02 pm
Quote
his is one more time we agree, cider. She should stand trial. You're going to have to quit this. It'll ruin our reputations.   

Quote
Agreed 100%.   Diplomatic immunity is badly abused by many bad actors.

Mixed feelings on this.  What she did was wrong, but diplomatic immunity exists for a reason.  It is generally not waved for things like traffic accidents absent something like DUI, and there is no indication that she was under the influence.  I also suspect that leaving was more the SD idea.  It was a bad idea.

I understand the upset, but this kind of thing happens all the time and it happens here a lot because the UN is here.  It's the tradeoff we get for protecting diplomats from bad actors in bad places.
Thanks for your 'sympathy'? KathyP,  hopefully, it is directed to the family.
Could the woman have not waived DI? Could she have not said it was right to stay and have her day in court? We are not a country that she would have been taken outside and shot. No, she has left behind a twin brother and mother and father devastated by her cowardice. How would you feel if it was one of yours? But undoubtedly you would say there is some section of the 'constitution' that covers it. But Kath, it doesn't by half. :rolleyes:   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 08, 2019, 04:03:51 pm
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Thanks for your 'sympathy'? KathyP,  hopefully, it is directed to the family.
Could the woman have not waived DI? Could she have not said it was right to stay and have her day in court? We are not a country that she would have been taken outside and shot. No, she has left behind a twin brother and mother and father devastated by her cowardice. How would you feel if it was one of yours? Undoubtedly you would say there would be some section of the 'constitution' that covers it. It doesn't by half. :rolleyes:   

I would be unhappy.  Probably angry.  I don't know if she could have waived it.  It certainly could have been waived.

Yes, I feel bad for the family.  As a practical matter though, diplomatic immunity needs to be protected.  You are correct that your legal system would have given her a fair trial, but the precedent might have put someone in a less civilized country in jeopardy.  I'm not defending anything, but just pointing out that this is not new, and there are reasons for the rules that we all sign on to.  We have this issue especially in NY becasue of the gazillion UN people.  They can pretty much do as they please and no one can touch them. 


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 08, 2019, 05:28:58 pm
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Thanks for your 'sympathy'? KathyP,  hopefully, it is directed to the family.
Could the woman have not waived DI? Could she have not said it was right to stay and have her day in court? We are not a country that she would have been taken outside and shot. No, she has left behind a twin brother and mother and father devastated by her cowardice. How would you feel if it was one of yours? Undoubtedly you would say there would be some section of the 'constitution' that covers it. It doesn't by half. :rolleyes:   

I would be unhappy.  Probably angry.  I don't know if she could have waived it.  It certainly could have been waived.

Yes, I feel bad for the family.  As a practical matter though, diplomatic immunity needs to be protected.  You are correct that your legal system would have given her a fair trial, but the precedent might have put someone in a less civilized country in jeopardy.  I'm not defending anything, but just pointing out that this is not new, and there are reasons for the rules that we all sign on to.  We have this issue especially in NY becasue of the gazillion UN people.  They can pretty much do as they please and no one can touch them.

Can you not see your no better than the trash in NY who evade parking tickets etc? DI was devised for more serious things than parking tickets! The woman should be returned forthwith and it would demonstrate your commitment to the real meaning of DI instead of admitting it can be used to avoid prosecution for killing innocent teenagers.
cider   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 08, 2019, 06:18:18 pm
Unfortunately, as one NYC cop put it, someone with DI could stand in the middle of the road and murder another and not end up arrested.  Ejected maybe, but not arrested. 

Neither you nor I have any say in it. 

It's not even always those with immunity.  We had a foreign student kill a girl in a hit and run.  He was found, arrested, released pending trial, and his embassy whisked him out of the country in the night. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 08, 2019, 06:56:07 pm
Unfortunately, as one NYC cop put it, someone with DI could stand in the middle of the road and murder another and not end up arrested.  Ejected maybe, but not arrested. 

Neither you nor I have any say in it. 

It's not even always those with immunity.  We had a foreign student kill a girl in a hit and run.  He was found, arrested, released pending trial, and his embassy whisked him out of the country in the night.
Did they go after the country as they presumably were abusing DI? Probably not, why? because they want to preserve the same level of bogus DI for their own personnel, as has just happened in the UK. What a way for two presumably civilised countries to treat each other. Again "With f........
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 08, 2019, 09:36:46 pm
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Did they go after the country as they presumably were abusing DI? Probably not, why? because they want to preserve the same level of bogus DI for their own personnel, as has just happened in the UK. What a way for two presumably civilised countries to treat each other. Again "With f........

It wasn't even someone with diplomatic immunity.  Once they were out of the country it was pretty much out of our hands.  Short of some kind of national move against the kids country, there wasn't much to be done about it.  It was a country with which we do not have an extradition treaty.  Personally, I'd not let anyone in that came from one of those countries, but I'm pretty sure someone would scream RACIST since most of those countries are OTW. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 13, 2019, 04:45:57 am
Apparently, that is correct in this case also, she didn't/ doesn't have immunity. It now begs the question why was she 'spirited' away on a cargo plane back to the US? Now would you like to bet on the reverse happening? not a snowball in hells chance! You complain of the UN in NY this is the same thing in action.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 13, 2019, 12:30:41 pm
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Apparently, that is correct in this case also, she didn't/ doesn't have immunity. It now begs the question why was she 'spirited'

Diplomatic immunity is also extended to the family of the diplomat.  one of the problems with having the UN in NY is that anyone attached to it claims that immunity whether or not they are really supposed to have it, but that has nothing to do with your case or the one here.
Complaining to the UN would do nothing.  They are useless. 

Look, I think what she did stinks.  I don't support cowardice.  Whether we like it or not, the legal bit is different. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 16, 2019, 06:18:06 pm
I see today DT  tried to engineer a 'surprise meeting' between the mother and father of the motorcyclist killed by the runaway spies wife. Who advises this man? Hope they have nothing to do with your defence. :wink:
cider TY 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 16, 2019, 07:18:55 pm
NO, they don't have any more to do with our defense than they do yours. Where would you and your country be today if it weren't for them and their predecessors?

Now say "Thank You" rather than "Danke Schoen"
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 17, 2019, 09:28:34 am
NO, they don't have any more to do with our defense than they do yours. Where would you and your country be today if it weren't for them and their predecessors?

Now say "Thank You" rather than "Danke Schoen"
Have I not before? If it was the case us not saying, Danke Schoen why did you not arrive in '39? and wait until the Japanese gave you a kick up the ass?
I will say and have said thank you to the people of that time, but most definitely not to YOU.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 17, 2019, 11:51:12 am
Depends on who you mean by YOU. My father's youngest brother took 2 50 caliber rounds in the gut during that war.16 feet of plastic intestines and a goat's stomach. I put my time in "nam. Since I came back whole, does that lessen the value of my mission?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 17, 2019, 12:01:35 pm
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why did you not arrive in '39? and wait until the Japanese gave you a kick up the ass?

Because we were isolationists at the time.   :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 17, 2019, 02:48:25 pm
Yes, Kathy, I appreciate what the sentimentality was at the time.
It was in reply to iddee's pathetic and sarcastic post re speaking German. What type of mentality makes him use the injuries of his uncle in WWII with him returning from Vietnam uninjured, maybe he feels guilty! After all, what did it achieve? Kill maybe an estimated two million Vietnamese civilians another 5.3 million injured and about 11 million, by US government figures, became refugees in their own country.
I've said before I despair of wally but this takes the biscuit. At least he picked the correct pseudonym pity he forgot the iot. :rolleyes:
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 17, 2019, 03:10:44 pm
Wow, you do let it be known when the truth brings you pain, don't you. You are correct, PC is NOT one of my attributes. I call it like I see it. Sorry if it pains you.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 17, 2019, 03:33:48 pm
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After all, what did it achieve? Kill maybe an estimated two million Vietnamese civilians another 5.3 million injured and about 11 million, by US government figures, became refugees in their own country.

Kennedy realized that if we did not stop communism from spreading much of SE Asia would be lost to it.  Because we did not fight the war as we did WW2, we ended up doing no good, and Kennedy was proved correct.  We do not know how many millions were lost to the following communist regimes or tossed into "reeducation camps" never to be seen again. 

It was not the wrong war to fight, but it was fought the wrong way.  We should never go to war if our goal is not to win a quickly and efficiently as we can.  If collateral damage is a concern, we should stay home. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on October 17, 2019, 04:41:40 pm
>We should never go to war if our goal is not to win a quickly and efficiently as we can.

Politicians should be forced to read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" with special attention to the "Never" and "Always" statements.  If they would have followed Sun Tzu's advice they would either have refrained or won quickly.  Unfortunately sometimes folling Sun Tzu's advice will get your fired.  Sun Tzu says it is not the job of the General to please the Emperor.  It is the job of the General to win the war.  McCarthy probably read that and decided to take all of Korea.  If communications had been as slow as in Sun Tzu's day, all of Korea would be free today... and maybe a lot of China as well...


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on October 17, 2019, 04:52:34 pm
...  We do not know how many millions were lost to the following communist regimes or tossed into "reeducation camps" never to be seen again.  ....

This is very correct. A close friend of mine spent several years in a "Re-education Camp" after the Vietnam War ended. He was a South Vietnamese Naval Officer during the war. They told him he'd be there in the camp for "2-weeks". With the help of family, he was finally able to escape the camp, and immediately the country. Most of his friends died in that camp (malnutrition, disease, execution, etc.). He lives near me now and his story is horrific. ... just another example of the "benevolence" of Communism.

Most estimates place the death toll in Communist China to be over 56 million (taken - never to return or staight-up executed). Genealogy data suggests this number is actually over 110 million. ...  just another example of the "benevolence" of Communism

The examples like this are seemingly endless.

Hillary (and the dems) love socialism/communism/progressivism/liberalism/whatever-name-you-want-to-give-IT.

Trump loves the freedom of the individual - as America was founded.

Take your pick - but choose wisely ... says I.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on October 17, 2019, 04:53:42 pm
>We should never go to war if our goal is not to win a quickly and efficiently as we can.

?There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.? ? Sun Tzu

?There are roads which must not be followed, armies which must not be attacked, towns which must not be besieged, positions which must not be contested, commands of the sovereign which must not be obeyed.? ? Sun Tzu

"He who wishes to fight must first count the cost. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men?s weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be dampened. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor dampened, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue? In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns."? Sun Tzu

"There are three ways in which a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army: By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey; This is called hobbling the army. By attempting to govern an army in the same way as he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions which obtain in an army; This causes restlessness in the soldier?s minds. By employing the officers of his army without discrimination, through ignorance of the military principle of adaptation to circumstances. This shakes the confidence of the soldiers."? Sun Tzu

"He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign." ? Sun Tzu

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 17, 2019, 08:16:26 pm
Wow, you do let it be known when the truth brings you pain, don't you. You are correct, PC is NOT one of my attributes. I call it like I see it. Sorry if it pains you.
And which part pains me? You using your uncle's injuries (which was despicable) or joining WWII only in near 1942? it pains me that you could use such an argument in this day and age. But then again you are iddee the self-confessed racist. Sleep well, at least you will after the nurses have dispensed the pills.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 17, 2019, 09:59:24 pm
""I will say and have said thank you to the people of that time, but most definitely not to YOU.""

This is why I brought up my uncle. I was telling you that "the people of that time" was my family, therefore me.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 18, 2019, 12:27:03 am
Depends on who you mean by YOU. My father's youngest brother took 2 50 caliber rounds in the gut during that war.16 feet of plastic intestines and a goat's stomach. I put my time in "nam. Since I came back whole, does that lessen the value of my mission?

My mother?s first cousin took a bullet from a German sniper on Christmas🎄Day during the battle of the bulge never to see another day on this earth. Never to grow old, have a family, go hunting, or just enjoy life as his life was ended that day, fighting for the freedom of the world against fascist socialist,  and the ternary they commanded.  He gave all. I would think that any person who was born in, before, or anytime near  that era should be grateful, not only for his sacrifice, but all that fought, all who had any part of supporting our soldiers, ALL citizens gave something to that war effort, including kids like iddee which collected all types of materials for the war effort. This war was an all out war, winner take all. Our citizens from all ages sacrificed, giving up meat to eat on certain days,  leather for shoes, etc to make sure our boys had all we could give them to be successful. Iron was collected, all type of materials was scrapped and given for the war effort. Women worked in factories building planes, tanks, ammunition etc for our boys as well as our partners in this awful war. Not only for our benefit, were these sacrifices made, but for the benefit of the entire free world; our country  as well as the others, united in battle,... LEST WE FORGET.
Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on October 18, 2019, 12:43:00 pm
So far, I have seen no mention of the arms and other materiel provided by the US to to Allies prior to US entry into the war.  The US military was so weak before Pearll Harbor that it couldn't have been much help anyway.  My father and his brother joined the army in 1934 and served through the war.  My father did his part in the Battle of the Bulge and was awarded a bronze star, which none of us knew about until after he died.  That kind of modesty was typical of his generation, I think.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 18, 2019, 07:59:13 pm
So far, I have seen no mention of the arms and other materiel provided by the US to to Allies prior to US entry into the war.  The US military was so weak before Pearll Harbor that it couldn't have been much help anyway.  My father and his brother joined the army in 1934 and served through the war.  My father did his part in the Battle of the Bulge and was awarded a bronze star, which none of us knew about until after he died.  That kind of modesty was typical of his generation, I think.
As did mine, he volunteered before the start and served till 1946 thankfully coming home in one piece.

After our gold reserves had been depleted you looked for other things to 'acquire'!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyers-for-bases_deal
So you can see it wasn't a case of being 'altruistic' it was more a case of self-interest. Albeit gratefully received self-interest.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 27, 2019, 02:34:06 pm
Hi Folks,

Well! Trump finally got BIG DADDY! Just like in Beach Party Bingo!

He didn't tell Paloozi because she was busy with other things.

Eriv Von Zipper
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on October 27, 2019, 04:15:24 pm
Yep, there's his "pull-out." Now he's talking about leaving a protective force in Syria. He is one smart man. :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 04, 2019, 08:37:16 am
Hi Folks,

I've done some stupid things in the past, and if I did, and nobody else knew about it, I wouldn't tell anyone!

But I've never even thought of doing this! And JOSH BROLIN!!!??? I thought he was probably normal! Guess not.

WE'RE DOOMED!

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/perineum-sunning-josh-brolin

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 05, 2019, 10:38:51 am
President Trump calls for Democrats to get impeachment over with

"The Do Nothing Democrats had a historically bad day yesterday in the House. They have no Impeachment case and are demeaning our Country. But nothing matters to them, they have gone crazy. Therefore I say, if you are going to impeach me, do it now, fast, so we can have a fair...trial in the Senate, and so that our Country can get back to business. We will have Schiff, the Bidens, Pelosi and many more testify, and will reveal, for the first time, how corrupt our system really is. I was elected to "Clean the Swamp," and that's what I am doing!"
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on December 05, 2019, 12:43:34 pm

"The Do Nothing Democrats had a historically bad day yesterday in the House. They have no Impeachment case and are demeaning our Country. But nothing matters to them, they have gone crazy. Therefore I say, if you are going to impeach me, do it now, fast, so we can have a fair...trial in the Senate, and so that our Country can get back to business. We will have Schiff, the Bidens, Pelosi and many more testify, and will reveal, for the first time, how corrupt our system really is. I was elected to "Clean the Swamp," and that's what I am doing!"

I love it.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 26, 2019, 08:19:59 pm
Hi Folks,

Is this an accurate quote attributed to Nakita Krushchev ???

If he didn't say this exact quote,... he intended to.

'We will take America without firing a shot??.We will BURY YOU! We can?t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism.  We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.' 

(From an address to Western Ambassadors at the Polish embassy in Moscow on November 18, 1956.)

Maybe it was Bernie who really said it.

I remember the shoe, and the 'We will bury you.'

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 07, 2020, 04:42:21 am
Yep, there's his "pull-out." Now he's talking about leaving a protective force in Syria. He is one smart man. :cheesy:
"I' ll pull the troops out of mid-east, which is a place we don't belong" Oh, by the way, I'll just put back 5000 into Iraq. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 07, 2020, 05:02:59 am
Maybe he decided to take out the trash before he left, rather than leave a mess behind. Who knows what that man thinks, but I like the last 3 years results enough to watch what he does for the next 5.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 07, 2020, 06:24:26 am
Maybe he decided to take out the trash before he left, rather than leave a mess behind. Who knows what that man thinks, but I like the last 3 years results enough to watch what he does for the next 5.
Isn't the above what's called "clutching at straws"? :rolleyes:
Then again it could be a sop to the neo's re the upcoming election. After all, as you say, "who knows what that man thinks" :sad:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 07, 2020, 07:45:22 am
No, it's called trusting the man you put in charge to do what's best. My dad always said. "Don't hire an expert and try to tell him how to do the job. If you know how, do it yourself."  I don't know how, so I hired Trump. Now, I'm letting him do his job.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 07, 2020, 04:42:04 pm
No, it's called trusting the man you put in charge to do what's best. My dad always said. "Don't hire an expert and try to tell him how to do the job. If you know how, do it yourself."  I don't know how, so I hired Trump. Now, I'm letting him do his job.
As Ben would say "lol lol lol lol :rolleyes: The Gullible in praise of the Absurd. :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: jalentour on January 07, 2020, 05:50:52 pm
Cider to himself:
Did not, Did so!
Did not, did so!
Did not, Did so!
Did not, did so!
Did not, Did so!
Did not, did so!
Did not, Did so!
Did not, did so!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 07, 2020, 05:56:52 pm
Cider, do you really think it advisable to pay a man to do a job, then tell him explicitly how to do it? Why hire him if you know better then he?
I have always given you more credit than that. Was I wrong?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 07, 2020, 10:03:51 pm
Hi Folks,

Sorry to throw a rock through your window....

Soleimani' daughter has a claim to US CITIZENSHP?????

The plot thickens.  Several outlets are reporting that Zeinab Soleimani, 28-year-old daughter of Qassem Soleimani, is an American Citizen and now threatening suicide attacks within our borders.

Real Full Birth Name   Zeinab Soleimani.
Nickname   Zeinab.
In The News For   Her father Qasem Soleimani died in the drone attack in January 3, 2020.
Age (As of 2019)   28 years old.
Date of Birth (DOB), Birthday   1991.

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: jalentour on January 07, 2020, 10:10:16 pm
You are probably correct.
The Obama Treaty with Iran also guaranteed 2000 American citizenships to Iran elites. 
The State Department knows who these people are and can do something about it, or not. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on January 08, 2020, 11:18:27 am
This is something that went by at the time with little notice.  it amazes be that we are impeaching someone over a phone call but the last guy did so much crap and was never called on any of it.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/24/obama-iran-nuclear-deal-prisoner-release-236966?fbclid=IwAR2HHhFik8g9A_uqoWkZsPjXNczpyzz-5VSVZIuos_J-9VT4a1yvFDlbSYI

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 08, 2020, 01:39:50 pm
Cider, do you really think it advisable to pay a man to do a job, then tell him explicitly how to do it? Why hire him if you know better then he?
I have always given you more credit than that. Was I wrong?
iddee, It was a wind- up for the javelin thrower, he bites every time. :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 09, 2020, 07:55:35 pm
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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on January 09, 2020, 08:12:24 pm
Very clever!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 10, 2020, 05:57:34 am
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https://abcn.ws/35pdawl

"I didn't" I wonder why?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 10, 2020, 12:19:12 pm
You're behind times, Cider. He backed off that statement several days ago.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 10, 2020, 12:36:15 pm
You're behind times, Cider. He backed off that statement several days ago.
The point is, why did he back off from his boast of immediate retaliation at 52 sites including Iranian cultural sites?  Maybe he didn't want to be guilty of War Crimes :rolleyes: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 10, 2020, 03:48:33 pm
Maybe you don't read well. He said he had targeted 52 sites, including some culture sites. He never said he would hit them all. He said Iran would pay dearly if they killed any Americans. THEY DID NOT.
He got them so shook up that they killed 176, mostly their own, but no Americans.
Trump won once again, as usual.   :wink:  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on January 10, 2020, 10:41:20 pm
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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 11, 2020, 10:55:45 am
Maybe you don't read well. He said he had targeted 52 sites, including some culture sites. He never said he would hit them all. He said Iran would pay dearly if they killed any Americans. THEY DID NOT.
He got them so shook up that they killed 176, mostly their own, but no Americans.
Trump won once again, as usual.   :wink:  :cheesy:
So it doesn't bother you that so many died in the shot down plane so long as "trump won once again" Great humanity :rolleyes:
I'm sure the relatives of the Canadian, Ukraine's, British and Iranians victims are greatly touched that "the G&T has won again" :sad:

Before you jump in "It was the Iranians that did it" The US has form in the same kind of thing in 1988.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 11, 2020, 11:11:03 am
Yes, it bothers me about like the hundreds, or thousands, that Soleimani killed or had killed seems to bother you. HEY, KETTLE, how are you this morning?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 11, 2020, 12:03:48 pm
Yes, it bothers me about like the hundreds, or thousands, that Soleimani killed or had killed seems to bother you. HEY, KETTLE, how are you this morning?
Not feeling so black as you do. I suppose you can't recall me stating "Soleimani deserved the tap on the shoulder he received"  but then you do have a selective memory :rolleyes: Maybe lay off the pills and use more of the salt.
iddee, it's all about context, plane and innocent dead people used to show "trump wins again" ..........on second thoughts start taking the pills again. :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on January 11, 2020, 12:09:15 pm
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So it doesn't bother you that so many died in the shot down plane so long as "trump won once again" Great humanity

Since Iran did it, I see no reason for anyone else to own that.  It was also a Russian surrogate or perhaps the Russians who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight.  We never did get the full story on that as I recall.

as for 1988, my brother as on the USS Vincennes.  There was a lot more to that story than most know, although much of it has come out in anonymous reports and speculation.  In that case, those reports are more true than false. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 11, 2020, 01:00:08 pm
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So it doesn't bother you that so many died in the shot down plane so long as "trump won once again" Great humanity

Since Iran did it, I see no reason for anyone else to own that.  It was also a Russian surrogate or perhaps the Russians who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight.  We never did get the full story on that as I recall.

as for 1988, my brother as on the USS Vincennes.  There was a lot more to that story than most know, although much of it has come out in anonymous reports and speculation.  In that case, those reports are more true than false.
Did or did not the Vincennes shoot down a civilian passenger airliner?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 11, 2020, 01:07:29 pm
Did the Iranians?? YES.  Did they also blow up shopping centers, buses, ETC. ETC. with many civilians being killed? YES. If a bank robber accidentally shoots his partner, is it the bank's fault for having the money available?? Com'n, cider, even you can do better than that.

Pills and salt are much better than LSD. Maybe you need to switch. You are hallucinating badly.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2020, 01:29:02 pm
Did the Iranians?? YES.  Did they also blow up shopping centers, buses, ETC. ETC. with many civilians being killed? YES. If a bank robber accidentally shoots his partner, is it the bank's fault for having the money available?? Com'n, cider, even you can do better than that.

Pills and salt are much better than LSD. Maybe you need to switch. You are hallucinating badly.

Ah haa haaa haaaa. No offence Cider but that was funny!!!  I had resolved to keep my post to the beekeeping section because I did not want to let my smart mouth along with Mr Beemaster, to send me  to la la land,'' the land of blue bee!'' But dang iddee it looks like that is where you are headed my friend. So "Where we go one, we go all" .  :shocked: :cheesy: :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 11, 2020, 02:53:19 pm
Did the Iranians?? YES.  Did they also blow up shopping centers, buses, ETC. ETC. with many civilians being killed? YES. If a bank robber accidentally shoots his partner, is it the bank's fault for having the money available?? Com'n, cider, even you can do better than that.

Pills and salt are much better than LSD. Maybe you need to switch. You are hallucinating badly.

Ah haa haaa haaaa. No offence Cider but that was funny!!!  I had resolved to keep my post to the beekeeping section because I did not want to let my smart mouth along with Mr Beemaster, to send me  to la la land,'' the land of blue bee!'' But dang iddee it looks like that is where you are headed my friend. So ""Where we go one, we go all"" .  :shocked: :cheesy: :grin:
Sorry Ben, but I don't think the shooting down of civilian airliners by no matter whom, to be remotely funny. How many shopping centres, buses were blown up in Iraq, Libya, Afganistan etc that iddee seems to think are throw away statistics or collateral damage. He needs to get a grip of his senses before they have totally left him.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 11, 2020, 03:10:25 pm
Quote
So it doesn't bother you that so many died in the shot down plane so long as "trump won once again" Great humanity

Since Iran did it, I see no reason for anyone else to own that.  It was also a Russian surrogate or perhaps the Russians who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight.  We never did get the full story on that as I recall.

as for 1988, my brother as on the USS Vincennes.  There was a lot more to that story than most know, although much of it has come out in anonymous reports and speculation.  In that case, those reports are more true than false.
Could you then, from your familial experience, enlighten us on the 'true' facts?   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 11, 2020, 03:22:08 pm
Did the Iranians?? YES.  Did they also blow up shopping centers, buses, ETC. ETC. with many civilians being killed? YES. If a bank robber accidentally shoots his partner, is it the bank's fault for having the money available?? Com'n, cider, even you can do better than that.

Pills and salt are much better than LSD. Maybe you need to switch. You are hallucinating badly.

Ah haa haaa haaaa. No offence Cider but that was funny!!!  I had resolved to keep my post to the beekeeping section because I did not want to let my smart mouth along with Mr Beemaster, to send me  to la la land,'' the land of blue bee!'' But dang iddee it looks like that is where you are headed my friend. So ""Where we go one, we go all"" .  :shocked: :cheesy: :grin:
Sorry Ben, but I don't think the shooting down of civilian airliners by no matter whom, to be remotely funny. How many shopping centres, buses were blown up in Iraq, Libya, Afganistan etc that iddee seems to think are throw away statistics or collateral damage. He needs to get a grip of his senses before they have totally left him.

Nor do I not think it is funny when anyone is killed on either side of any equation, in my opinion it is a tragedy. The Iranians, Ukrainians, Russians, English, as well as American?s love their family members and their fellow countrymen. It is a tragedy. My heart goes out to all who have suffered on all sides. If it was up to me the hate would end, the endless wars would end. Unfortunately, hate is running ramped. Allow me clarify, It was the shooting you down by Iddee that I got tickled about... Good clean fun among friends....   :grin:
and I quote  Iddee
? Pills and salt are much better than LSD. Maybe you need to switch. You are hallucinating badly.? 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 11, 2020, 05:30:36 pm
Not funny at all, especially when the wrong ones are blamed for doing it. I'm just trying to get you to realize where it came from.

Of course,. you already know, just refuse to admit it.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on January 12, 2020, 05:32:53 am
Not funny at all, especially when the wrong ones are blamed for doing it. I'm just trying to get you to realize where it came from.

Of course,. you already know, just refuse to admit it.
Wally, Just remind me of how many Tomahawks, smart bombs and drone hellfires, etc have been used in Iraq War 1&2, Syria, Afganistan etc
Now I don't particularly care if in a war you throw whatever you like at each other. But don't cry if you get hurt.

This just about says it all.

"He got them so shook up that they killed 176, mostly their own, but no Americans.
Trump won once again, as usual".  :wink: 
and to attach a smillie 'wink' is just the icing on the cake!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 12, 2020, 06:18:27 am
Yep, you sound like a Pelosi student. You can interpret anything 2 or 3 ways if you want.

Here's your heroes.

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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 07, 2020, 07:58:06 am
Hi Folks,

I'M FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I'M HERE TO HELP!

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-criminals-would-be-protected-from-deportation-under-bill-aoc-and-other-house-democrats-back

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on February 07, 2020, 08:41:48 am
Yes and they are in Congress to destroy the US we know and love. Only reason for making a law like that is to encourage thugs to come here illegally and commit their crimes on Americans.
Congress is so screwed up that if we do not vote these people out of office, we will be forced to start all over.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on February 07, 2020, 02:34:12 pm
Quote
Congress is so screwed up that if we do not vote these people out of office, we will be forced to start all over.
Jim Altmiller

I don't think that bill will pass, but it gives us an indication of where they want to take us.  When they find out they can't pass something like this they will do it incrementally.  It won't take the squad and their followers to learn this.

They are the next generation of congress and we need to be prepared.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 07, 2020, 02:46:51 pm
Yes and they are in Congress to destroy the US we know and love. Only reason for making a law like that is to encourage thugs to come here illegally and commit their crimes on Americans.
Congress is so screwed up that if we do not vote these people out of office, we will be forced to start all over.
Jim Altmiller

If you are correct, and it looks as if you may very well be.  I have a question Jim. I can not understand why these folks wish to do so? (the squad) Why the radicalism?  Wonder why they are so radically minded? It baffles me (the unanswered questions) as to why they would want to kill the goose that is laying the golden eggs 🥚. It seems  our country is so very blessed as compared to most countries in the world? Why would anyone want to destroy that? Maybe you can tell me?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on February 07, 2020, 09:23:01 pm
Ben,
First of all socialism is being heavily pushed in the public schools, even more so our colleges. The second reason is power. That is why removing our guns is their number one priority. You cannot have the total power that they want with a well armed society.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 17, 2020, 07:48:08 am
Hi Folks,

Please click the link:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bill+maher+tank+the+economy&&view=detail&mid=1AE190DCA247D35DC5BF1AE190DCA247D35DC5BF&rvsmid=96DC5D63D8B592D77A8A96DC5D63D8B592D77A8A&FORM=VDRVRV

Note the date.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 18, 2020, 11:42:50 am
Hi folks,

This just can't be true, can it?

Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize-winning trade economist and New York Times columnist, celebrated the sharp decline of the stock market due to the coronavirus on the grounds that, in his opinion, it would hurt President Donald Trump.

?Economists, myself included, often make a point of saying that the stock market is not the economy, which it isn?t. It *is,? however, pretty much the Trump presidency,? Krugman tweeted. ?Take away his magic talisman and there?s nothing left.?

Krugman was one of the most prominent economists to predict that markets would collapse following the election of Donald Trump.




Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 22, 2020, 01:26:29 pm
Hi Folks,

This guy is a local reporter, Commonwealth of Massachusetts, turned talk show host. He still has a newspaper column. A friend sent me this from him:

 From Howie Carr:

When are the layoffs going to begin in the state?s hackeramas like Massport and the University of Massachusetts?

I mean, fair?s fair, isn?t it? If sales clerks in strip malls and waitresses and line cooks who are making short money doing real jobs are going to end up broke and collecting unemployment, what about all the overpaid hacks on the state payroll who are being given what amounts to yet another paid vacation?

The commonwealth has a ?rainy day fund? stuffed with billions of dollars for alleged emergencies. This is what the kleptocrats on Beacon Hill will be dipping into as tax revenues crater to keep the good times rolling for their friends and relatives on the public dole.

The governor, Tall Deval, hasn?t totally shut down the Dreaded Private Sector yet, but things are moving into that direction. Next door, in New York, Gov. Andrew ?Baby Doc? Cuomo has already ordered the closure of all ?non-essential? businesses.

If it?s your business, or you?re getting a paycheck from one, you are not likely to consider the enterprise ?non-essential.?

UMass, on the other hand. ?

Two headlines from Saturday?s Wall Street Journal: ?Downturn Could Cost 5 Million Jobs,? and ?Low Wage Workers Face Brunt of Coronavirus Crisis.?

Massport, on the other hand. ?

Of course no police or firefighters or EMTs or hospital personnel should face the prospect of losing their jobs. Obviously they are ?essential.?

But most of the public sector is anything but. Let?s start with UMass. It?s shut down, for all practical purposes. Check out the UMass salaries on the Herald website. Just scroll down the first thousand or so, say, to the $200,000 level. Tell me who?s more essential to anyone?s life ? the UMass ?staff administrator? making $252,591 a year, or the single mom handling take-out at your favorite fast-food hamburger joint.

Who has a job affecting more people?s lives ? your laid-off local dental hygienist, or UMass? ?assistant to the president? who makes $245,364.91?

A friend of mine flew out of Logan Airport Friday night to West Palm. He was one of four passengers on the flight. I don?t think Massport is collecting a lot of their customary exorbitant ?fees? this weekend.

So when is Massport going to start its reductions-in-force (RIFs), like everybody in the Dreaded Private Sector?

As I mentioned here last week, Massport now has a ?deputy director, state affairs and community affairs,? for $130,000 a year, as well as a ?deputy director, community relations and federal affairs,? for $129,375 a year.

Do you think either of those two legacy hacks is worried about having to lift their snouts from the trough?

Of course not. They?ll be ?telecommuting,? wink wink nudge nudge.

The chairwoman of Massport, an old Mitt Romney hack, makes $360,000, and the guy she beat out for the job got a $311,000-a-year consolation sinecure.

We all get why the retail and hospitality industries have to fire people ? if there?s no revenue coming in, the owners can?t pay the workers, the vendors, the landlords or the banks, not to mention themselves.

The politicians always lecture us that we?re all in this together, until something like this happens, when we find out we?re not, actually. If my daughter has her hours cut back because nobody?s walking through the doors of the business she works at, what about the payroll Charlies at the courthouses?

Nobody?s walking through those courthouse doors either.

House Speaker Bob DeLeo had no problems with shutting down vaping sales last year and throwing hundreds out of work until the taxes were raised to 75%. Now, he wants to jack up the state?s gasoline taxes by a nickel (a bargain compared to Tall Deval?s plan to raise them 26 cents per gallon).

So why doesn?t the un-indicted co-conspirator tighten his 50-inch belt for a change ? how about an unpaid furlough for DeLeo?s $142,515-a-year godson in the now-not-busy-at-all hack-infested Probation Department? And maybe the godson can take along the college-dropout wife of DeLeo lieutenant Tom Petrolati, who makes $134,786 a year for doing ? whatever.

On Friday night, with taxpayers sweating the economic dislocations that are coming our way, the hackerama officially announced what we told you weeks ago ? none of the crooked Massachusetts state troopers are going to lose their pensions just because they embezzled a few hundred thousand dollars from the taxpayers.

Fourteen of them are already retired. These greedy, crooked cops suffered no consequences for their crimes ? they haven?t even had to make restitution for the money they stole ? and now their kisses in the mail range from $69,000 to $106,000 a year.

A failed candidate for president used to say that there were ?two Americas.? He was right, just not in the way he meant it.

In one America, the hacks are planning how they?re going to enjoy this latest paid vacation. In the other America, people who actually keep the nation running are wondering how they?re going to put food on the table ? and pay for the pensions of the crooked state police.

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Dallasbeek on March 22, 2020, 03:16:24 pm
Multiply that by all the cities and states and, to paraphrase Everett Dirksen, before long you're talking about real money.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: incognito on March 23, 2020, 12:06:14 pm
The air in downtown NYC is safe to breathe - 9/12/2001
I just want to remind you of one of the biggest lies.

Your health care professionals are or will be subject to enormous inadequately protected risk. When they go down, there will not be anyone to care for you.
Do not believe the happy talk about getting them the personal protection equipment they need from the stockpiles. How long does it take to ship supplies?

My wife is a health care worker. Two of her coworkers tested positive for Covid-19.
We are in Suffolk County New York, in one of the US corona virus active outbreak areas. 1034 confirmed cases, 12 deaths, none recovered to date.
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
If you are a health care professional, get N95 masks wherever you can!Do not throw them out after one use!
Save them in a big bag, just do not throw them out.


Check your local police precinct, fire department, hardware store. Get what you need before the outbreak hits your area.

Please, please, please - do not hoard them if you are not a health care worker.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: incognito on March 23, 2020, 12:39:15 pm
Covid-19 patients younger than 60 are being put on ventilators, most are older, some are not.
Current survival rates for patients put on ventilators is not good.

Ventilators are not a magic solution.




Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on March 24, 2020, 10:17:55 am
Covid-19 patients younger than 60 are being put on ventilators, most are older, some are not.
Current survival rates for patients put on ventilators is not good.

Ventilators are not a magic solution.
Youngest to die of Covid-19 in the UK is 18yrs old, admittedly with underlying problems. This epidemic is not something that will be over in a "few weeks" it will take months and cost a lot of lives. Stay well and help others :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 24, 2020, 10:59:13 am
It won't be over, but hopefully, it will be on the decline and be just another normal happening, like flu and pneumonia. Nothing to upset the whole world over.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 24, 2020, 02:27:24 pm
 >It won't be over, but hopefully, it will be on the decline and be just another normal happening, like flu and pneumonia.
    Nothing to upset the whole world over.

    Right iddee, especially if Chloroquine is made readily available. .

    Cider see "Especially for Van, The15thMember, and BAHBEEs" In the general beekeeping section, if you have not had
    the opportunity.

    Ben Framed  " The Junior" lol
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 25, 2020, 11:07:07 am
Hi Folks,

Walking Dead???!!!

I just saw Rita Wilson, Tom Hank's Wife. They both have the flu. She was all made up, looking good, staying home, .. rappin like I don't know what. Her lungs seem fine. Apparently, neither she nor her husband are dead yet.

Go down and click on her, Rita Wilson. Poor thing.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/03/24/socialists-praise-comrade-britney-spears-pushing-wealth-distribution-during-pandemic/

BTW: Justin Trudeau was on C-Span yesterday. He looks good too. He said nothing about any family members having died from the flu,...yet.

We weren't fooled,... again,...were we?

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 25, 2020, 02:50:41 pm
Sal, with the proper medication, there are reports of older folks fully recovering. Van covered the medication very well in another topic and post. My hat is off to MR VAN FROM ARKANSAS for his VALUABLE input and shared knowledge about this. I also want to thank The15Member and BAABEEs and others for their input on this.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: incognito on March 25, 2020, 04:28:09 pm
Sal,
This is not a drill.
But the data is sketchy, unreliable, biased, distorted. Pick a word.
Facts from my circle:I live in Suffolk county, say 40 miles east of NYC. This county ranks high on the number of reported cases.My wife is a nurse. She has friends as nurses, doctors, Nurse practitioners, etc. representing several Long Island hospitals.To use Dr. Faucci's words - anecdotal evidence, not wholly based in reliable data.
Protective equipment is either scarce, not distributed appropriately, or being hoarded, etc. Governor Cuomo misled the public today. Health care workers in hospital settings ARE NOT adequately protected across the board.Not all New Yorkers believe that the economic cost to save every life is worth it. I do not. 80 year old people die. Sorry if that sounds cold. I am 61. If my time is up - at least I had a good run so far.
People on ventilators are not doing well. Death seems to be the more typical outcome of being put on respirators. Others experience flu like illnesses in severity and duration.
Testing statistics are unreliable. Direct contacts, (not friends of friends), with symptoms are being denied testing. So the number of cases are under reported.The rate of recovery is also under reported - or I cannot explain the criteria for such designation.Known coworkers have recovered, yet the number recovered shows none to date.Temperatures seem to rise, abate, rise and then abate again during the healing process. Think M shaped during recovery.





Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 25, 2020, 11:10:59 pm
Hi Folks,

I live in Massachusetts, home of Mike Dukakis, John Kerry, and Lizzie Warren.  I?ve worked for and in government since 1981. I?ve worked for the State, Dept. of Revenue (under Dukakis). There were a few mantras: ?Never kill the job. If we don?t spend it, we won?t get level funded. Never let a good crisis go to waste?. I?m still involved.

No one has the whole story on this year?s flu. No one, as yet, has all the scientific data to make ?best decisions?. As I think you alluded, we?re only getting ?best guesses and opinions? so far. There is no truth.

Inco, I?ve got a few years on you. I?ve seen too many lies and omissions in the past few years, about BS. In my personal circle, people and media are both overtly and cunningly manipulative. You get only their spin on any issue.

These numbers are from tonight: In Massachusetts we have a population of about 7 million. We tested 19,794 people. We have:

1,838 confirmed cases, 9.3% of those tested;

15 deaths, .82% of confirmed cases (most, elderly, as you said, with pre-existing issues);

103 people have been hospitalized, 5.6% of those confirmed cases,

This is BOSTON! All elective surgery has been postponed (except abortions don't ya know). Can a mere 103 patients, in BOSTON create a bottle neck? Really?

Yet, our politicians mislead us with hyperbole. ?Hospitals are over-run. We?re keeping up with funerals?. (Male 80?s, Male 80?s, Male 70?s, Female 70?s) ??Never mind the under lying conditions. What if it was your relative??

They don?t want more tests. It makes statistics more accurate.

Incognito, I?m pretty much saying the same as you. I?m just more jaded.

State and local tax revenues have collapsed, screeching halt, kaput!

THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM TRUMP! HE WILL FINALLY LOSE OR LEAVE! WE ALL HATE HIM!

These people will impoverish the country.

There were 2,023 drug overdose deaths in Massachusetts in 2019. No one cares.

There have been 56 auto fatalities in Massachusetts since January 1, 2020. Nobody?s banning cars.

Government loves chaos. Let those prisoners out! Don't arrest for drugs and burglary. Illegals have different laws. Resist ICE. Open borders.

This catastrophe is bogus.

Sal


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 26, 2020, 02:43:47 pm
Hi Folks,

Just came in for lunch. 48 degrees, sunny, bees out. I'm practicing social distancing.

Anyway; More lies, darned lies, and statistics. Please click the link:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-our-leaders-the-media-lie-about-potential-treatment-for-coronavirus-when-we-need-the-truth

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: incognito on March 26, 2020, 05:14:00 pm
Nurses wearing garbage bags for protection is real.


They are not just posing.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 27, 2020, 12:14:47 am
Hi Folks,

OMG!!! DNR????

(CNN)As the coronavirus pandemic continues to sweep the United States, some hospitals are considering whether to make changes to policies and practices when it comes to do-not-resuscitate situations.

And we have to discourage it,... on national TV.

What are they up to? Is this funny? Please click the link. This is funny: Caution! DARK HUMOR!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Tsquared on March 27, 2020, 07:55:47 pm
Lots of lies, some truths, all in one song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIi9N_tcNt0
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 27, 2020, 09:50:59 pm
Hi Folks, Tsquared, Troutdog,

I never cared for that original My Sharona song. I listened to it though.

TD. Just because I'm from Taxachusetts doesn't mean I fit the general perceptions of the state political leanings. I think, though, that what you read was not what I meant. I should have used quotation marks. Those capitalized statements were sarcasm. I was implying that liberal politicians feel this way.

I'm glad you're both interested, if not yet passionate about the political paths our country may take in the future.

Read what you can. Take from it what you want. Determine who wrote it/said it, and why they wrote it. Maybe it's a lie.

Anyway, this thread is for big lies. You decide if it's a lie. What is truth to you is a lie for someone else.

Tell me some lies,... but make em good lies.

And don't hate me because I'm good looking.

Sal


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 29, 2020, 05:49:50 pm
Hi Folks,

Cold and rainy here today. I hope your in warm sunshine.

This just in from the Boston Globe, a progressive newspaper:

Why does it seem the rich and famous get tested for coronavirus while others don?t? It?s complicated.
Some celebs and politicians have received tests and results within hours, while others have coughed and stressed for over a week.

Dennis Magnasco, a 32-year-old Harvard University graduate student from Somerville, was tested for COVID-19 on March 18 as he battled a hacking cough, high fever, and shortness of breath. Nine days later, he was still waiting for the results.

Meantime, he watched others, including Harvard?s president, Lawrence S. Bacow, US Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley, Boston Celtics guard Marcus Smart, and state health commissioner Dr. Monica Bharel receive tests and results in a mere fraction of the time. Smart had no symptoms, Pressley was feverish, Bacow and his wife had fevers and chills, and Bharel described her illness as mild.

?Most people would argue that in a time of pandemic, the most important thing is for people to trust the advice their government and their doctors are giving them,? said George Annas, director of the Center for Health Law, Ethics and Human Rights at Boston University?s School of Public Health.


Yeah! Right! I'm from the government,... and I'm here to help.

I went to a local supermarket today. Everyone polite, social distance. The young staff were all helpful to the extreme. The elder staff were efficient and businesslike. A kid, and an old retiree, are helping me!

Stopped at my usual gas station/convenience store on the way home. Got a coffee. Paid the tab. Staff pleasant but serious, bewildered, keeping distance as well as could be. These brave people, and other LOW WAGE PEOPLE are barely keeping America going, putting their health on the line. Thanks to them all. Even the ones we don't see. Thank you. Keep calm and carry on!

If you have friends or relatives that are out doing their jobs, tell them Sal says Thanks.

BTW: In case you hadn't heard. Tom Hanks or Trudeau didn't die. It's the FLU, a bad FLU.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 30, 2020, 09:25:49 am
>I went to a local supermarket today. Everyone polite, social distance. The young staff were all helpful to the extreme.
  The elder staff were efficient and businesslike. A kid, and an old retiree, are helping me!
  Stopped at my usual gas station/convenience store on the way home. Got a coffee. Paid the tab. Staff pleasant but
  serious, bewildered, keeping distance as well as could be. These brave people, and other LOW WAGE PEOPLE are barely
  keeping America going, putting their health on the line. Thanks to them all. Even the ones we don't see. Thank you. Keep
  calm and carry on!

  Yes, it is always the front liners that are the heros, and usually receive the less credit or appreciation many times.

>BTW: In case you hadn't heard. Tom Hanks or Trudeau didn't die. It's the FLU, a bad FLU.
  Sal

  I do not know, nor can I prove it, but it's a pretty good chance they had the medication Chloroquine or
  Hydroxychloroquine made available to them before others. It's kind of like the test you mentioned above Sal.
  Unfortunately it is just the way it is. Not to my liking may I add. President Trump announced. that 1100 patients in NY
  are now being given these drugs and are being watched closely.  As Mr Van helped us understand this has already been
  proven in China and South Korea.
  I do not know if this drug is readily available here in America. As you may know, Ninety Percent of our drugs are now
  manufactured in China.
  The practice of foreign dependency of pharmaceuticals has to be changed in my opinion. I will end there. Enough politics
  from me for a while. lol

   

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 31, 2020, 12:04:23 am
Below is an article written by Jamie White. It it True or False?

BY, Jamie White

"The mainstream media descended into a rage when My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell announced during the daily White House corona task force briefing that he has repurposed his factories to produce tens of thousands of surgical face masks for medial workers.
Lindell was one of several CEOs to join the coronavirus task force briefing on Monday to announce that his factories have begun producing 10,000 face masks a day with plans to ramp up production to over 50,000 a day.

But talking heads and ?journalists? from The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC and others exploded in outrage that Lindell, a Trump supporter and Christian, would dare invoke God and offer his expertise to help during this unprecedented crisis.

Rather than celebrate this example of the private sector stepping up in this hour of need for the nation, the media is more focused on bashing anybody aligned with the Trump administration or its effort to help the American people.
In another example, the media demonized President Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine as a potential remedy for combating the coronavirus before the FDA quickly approved of the drug for emergency treatment on Monday.

A collection of MSM talking heads and leftist are wishing for a recession and more corona-virus deaths so Trump can be voted out of office"
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on March 31, 2020, 05:57:34 am
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mainstream-media-mocks-wh-appearance-of-my-pillow-guy-mike-lindell-despite-contribution-to-virus-fight
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 31, 2020, 11:18:56 am
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mainstream-media-mocks-wh-appearance-of-my-pillow-guy-mike-lindell-despite-contribution-to-virus-fight

Thanks Iddee. I read your article and what some of the main stream quacks had to say. Are these reporting people on the left totally nut jobs?  Here this man Mike Lindell, volunteering his company to make mask. To save lives, and all these nuts can do is criticize the President for it?  Surely once and for all our left leaning friends can finally see the truth? Surely not all folks on the left are so blind as to follow these leftist news folks? Putting it bluntly. Sad isn?t it?  😔
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 31, 2020, 11:22:26 am
Let me add, to criticize President and Mr Lindell for doing good seems to be past nut jobs. Are these people flat out evil? 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on March 31, 2020, 11:49:21 am
One other thing that I have not heard mentioned...although I have had the news off much of the time is that the field hospital in Central Park is one put up by Samaritans Purse.  That's Franklin Grahams relief organization.  I have had the pleasure of meeting some of them on various disaster relief deployments.  It's a great group and one worth remembering when you are doing donations.  Team Rubicon is another great group. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 31, 2020, 06:18:13 pm
Hi Folks,

A complicated man once said:

The media?s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that?s power. Because they control the minds of the masses. The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make the criminal look like he?s the victim and make the victim look like he?s the criminal. This is the press, an irresponsible press. It will make the criminal look like he?s the victim and make the victim look like he?s the criminal. If you aren?t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.

Makes one wonder, some of us in late stages in our lives, just how much of what we know is actually a pile lies.

Sal



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 01, 2020, 05:23:07 am
Hi Folks,

A complicated man once said:

The media?s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that?s power. Because they control the minds of the masses. The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make the criminal look like he?s the victim and make the victim look like he?s the criminal. This is the press, an irresponsible press. It will make the criminal look like he?s the victim and make the victim look like he?s the criminal. If you aren?t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.

Makes one wonder, some of us in late stages in our lives, just how much of what we know is actually a pile lies.

Sal
Who was the "complicated man"?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 01, 2020, 01:39:27 pm

>One other thing that I have not heard mentioned...although I have had the news off much of the time is that the field hospital in Central Park is one put up by Samaritans Purse.  That's Franklin Grahams relief organization.  I have had the pleasure of meeting some of them on various disaster relief deployments.  It's a great group and one worth remembering when you are doing donations.  Team Rubicon is another great group.

Thank you Kathy for the good information. I also thank you for your service to our fellow man.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 01, 2020, 02:49:35 pm
Quote
I also thank you for your service to our fellow man.

You all spent a lot of money training me, so giving a bit back is the least I can do   :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 02, 2020, 08:36:41 pm

>One other thing that I have not heard mentioned...although I have had the news off much of the time is that the field hospital in Central Park is one put up by Samaritans Purse.  That's Franklin Grahams relief organization.  I have had the pleasure of meeting some of them on various disaster relief deployments.  It's a great group and one worth remembering when you are doing donations.  Team Rubicon is another great group.

Thank you Kathy for the good information. I also thank you for your service to our fellow man.

What happened to "The US will be back in business in three weeks" but are now looking at >200000 deaths? Op's I forgot we are in the 'Big lies' thread and after all it was the G&T speaking. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 02, 2020, 09:00:25 pm

>One other thing that I have not heard mentioned...although I have had the news off much of the time is that the field hospital in Central Park is one put up by Samaritans Purse.  That's Franklin Grahams relief organization.  I have had the pleasure of meeting some of them on various disaster relief deployments.  It's a great group and one worth remembering when you are doing donations.  Team Rubicon is another great group.

Thank you Kathy for the good information. I also thank you for your service to our fellow man.

What happened to "The US will be back in business in three weeks" but are now looking at >200000 deaths? Op's I forgot we are in the 'Big lies' thread and after all it was the G&T speaking. :rolleyes:

I suppose the same thing that happened to the chloroquine. I have heard reports that the Governor of NY is not a proponent of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine.  Find that missing link and you should be back in business soon. 
As well as saving many of that 200,000 that they seem anxious to let perish without the aid of this silver-bullet? 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 02, 2020, 09:07:47 pm
First, he never said it as a fact, only a hope and possibility.

Second, No smart leader would fail to make a prediction to the public as being anything but hopeful. It would take an idiot like Pee-lousy to make it sound worse than it was thought to be.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 03, 2020, 12:35:24 am
Hi Folks,

'It's like a really bad flu': Ali Wentworth opens up about her 'horrific' COVID-19 symptoms on Good Morning America - as her husband George Stephanopoulos admits he 'feels fine' but doesn't know if he has it.

It's a FLU,... a really bad FLU.

My commie nephew (Bernie Bro) is giddy. Almost everyone is out of work, at home, like him his wife and child, (masters and phd degrees), waiting for a stimulus check.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 03, 2020, 04:47:51 pm
First, he never said it as a fact, only a hope and possibility.

Second, No smart leader would fail to make a prediction to the public as being anything but hopeful. It would take an idiot like Pee-lousy to make it sound worse than it was thought to be.
Doe's he say anything else :rolleyes:It is all usually 'pie in the sky' :cheesy: 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 03, 2020, 05:08:23 pm
Quote
Doe's he say anything else :rolleyes:It is all usually 'pie in the sky'

Regardless of your opinion it's good to know that you listen!   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 03, 2020, 05:47:40 pm
He's more accurate than your weather man.   :tongue: :tongue: :cheesy: :cheesy:

The only people that don't make mistakes are the Dems that don't do anything.  :cool:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: jalentour on April 03, 2020, 05:49:23 pm
Cider,
Are you hoping for more than 200,000 dead Americans just to make President Trump look bad?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 03, 2020, 06:48:22 pm
Cider,
Are you hoping for more than 200,000 dead Americans just to make President Trump look bad?
I'll treat that with the contempt it deserves. You're a very sad person if you believe that....but I have had my suspicions for a while :sad:.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 03, 2020, 06:51:19 pm
Quote
Doe's he say anything else :rolleyes:It is all usually 'pie in the sky'

Regardless of your opinion it's good to know that you listen!   :cheesy:
What did I say this forum is all about, for me? :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: jalentour on April 03, 2020, 11:01:01 pm
Would you prefer I PM you or put it out for all to read, Cider?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 04, 2020, 06:08:54 am
Would you prefer I PM you or put it out for all to read, Cider?
So my suspicions were correct, you now resort to threats which are tantamount to blackmail :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 04, 2020, 02:55:28 pm
Hi Folks,

Someone should start a thread called LUCY AND SNOOPY ARE HAVING A FIGHT!

This one is about LIES!   and maybe some thruths.

Anyway, sad story:

The granddaughter of Robert F. Kennedy and her young son are presumed dead after the two took a canoe into the choppy Chesapeake Bay waters to retrieve a soccer ball and got swept away.

Anyone who takes this story at face value, that it was an accident,  hasn't been paying attention.

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on April 04, 2020, 03:43:43 pm
Apparently I haven't been paying attention. What's the back-story on this Sal?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 04, 2020, 07:02:08 pm
Hi Folks,

The Kennedy family has suffered another tragedy. A forty year old wife and mother, apparently got into a canoe with her eight year old son, to chase a soccer ball into a choppy Chesapeake Bay.

Please see this:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/husband-of-robert-f-kennedys-granddaughter-says-its-clear-she-and-their-son-have-died-2020-04-04/

The Kennedy family is extensive. All families suffer tragedy. I do not intend to minimize this event. I do find it hard to understand how an adult would get into a CANOE, with an eight year old, to chase an eight dollar ball into a choppy salt water bay/ocean.

Please also see this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/04/04/kennedy-family-deaths-curse-history/

Sal






 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 04, 2020, 07:46:38 pm
Hi Folks,

Someone should start a thread called LUCY AND SNOOPY ARE HAVING A FIGHT!

This one is about LIES!   and maybe some thruths.

Anyway, sad story:

The granddaughter of Robert F. Kennedy and her young son are presumed dead after the two took a canoe into the choppy Chesapeake Bay waters to retrieve a soccer ball and got swept away.

Anyone who takes this story at face value, that it was an accident,  hasn't been paying attention.

Sal
Someone should start a thread called LUCY AND SNOOPY ARE HAVING A FIGHT!

Maybe someone should, it would give javlentour somewhere to play to his heart's content! without bothering anyone else.
Where ever you hear the name Kenedy conspiracy is not far behind. I've a feeling its money money money, as usual. :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 04, 2020, 07:53:04 pm
Would you prefer I PM you or put it out for all to read, Cider?
So my suspicions were correct, you now resort to threats which are tantamount to blackmail :rolleyes:

 :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Seeb on April 04, 2020, 09:29:07 pm
Anyone that takes this story at face value, that it was an accident, hasn?t been paying attention.

Apparently I haven?t been paying attention. What?s the backstory on this

The Kennedy family is extensive. All families suffer tragedy. I do not intend to minimize this event. I do find it hard to understand how an adult would get into a CANOE, with an eight year old, to chase an eight dollar ball into a choppy salt water bay/ocean.



I think I missed something -
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 04, 2020, 10:59:50 pm
>The granddaughter of Robert F. Kennedy and her young son are presumed dead after the two took a canoe into the
   choppy Chesapeake Bay waters to retrieve a soccer ball and got swept away.

   This is tragic. I do not know how this could be anything but an accident without knowing the whole story. People make
   some unfortunate decisions sometimes at the spur of a moment before considering the dangers of the situation. I have a
   friend who lives in Greenport Long Island, NY. She Kayaks and Sails regularly and has been doing so all her life. My
   heart goes out to this family.

   Phillip (The Junior)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on April 05, 2020, 09:01:32 am
Back in the 60s when I was about 7 years old, we were at Atlantic Beach NJ and my dad swam after a beach ball straight out to sea. Life guards were blowing their whistles but he kept going until he caught it. He knew what he could do and brought it back safely. He routinely swam laps in the ocean for exercise. He did that all the way up until last year when he had 3 massive strokes.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Seeb on April 05, 2020, 09:36:45 am
Jim - it sounds like you have a great dad! Blessings on him
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on April 05, 2020, 09:41:36 am
😊
Thanks Seeb.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Seeb on April 05, 2020, 10:14:38 am
My ocean story:

Back in 1985, after my husband died, I needed to get away, so got in the pickup with our dog and headed to the outer banks to camp. Now I can't swim, but loved taking a float out and riding the waves in. I was having a good ol time when all of a sudden my dog came out in the ocean and took the rope that was on the raft in her mouth, and pulled me into shore.
Being young and dumb, I thought that was so cute/sweet, so I gave her a pat, grabbed the raft and paddled back out. When i turned the raft around, my dog was right behind me, bit me in the face, took the rope and pulled me back in the shore. It was a hard enough bite to draw a tiny bit of blood. I did not go back rafting after that.  She never before or after bit me, she was just not having any of  my foolishness
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 05, 2020, 08:24:14 pm
Seeb first of all I am sorry that you lost your husband. A tragic thing for we humans to have to endure.
As they say, a dog is a best friend. I will not question the actions of your dog as this was probably most certainly a thing for your own good. God works in mysterious ways. He once made a Jackass talk. He can easily use a dog to save our life.  Gods Blessings to you on this Palm Sunday. The day that Jesus rode in on the Kidass and was hailed by his people; Yet to be scorned a few days later with the crowd hollering crucify him. He knew what was coming yet he endured it anyway too pay a ransom for the redemption of our soul. Yours and mine because he Loves us. All of us.

Phillip Hall
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Seeb on April 05, 2020, 08:31:07 pm
Kind words Phillip - thank you
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 06, 2020, 04:52:07 am
Seeb first of all I am sorry that you lost your husband. A tragic thing for we humans to have to endure.
As they say, a dog is a best friend. I will not question the actions of your dog as this was probably most certainly a thing for your own good. God works in mysterious ways. He once made a Jackass talk. He can easily use a dog to save our life.  Gods Blessings to you on this Palm Sunday. The day that Jesus rode in on the Kidass and was hailed by his people; Yet to be scorned a few days later with the crowd hollering crucify him. He knew what was coming yet he endured it anyway too pay a ransom for the redemption of our soul. Yours and mine because he Loves us. All of us.

Phillip Hall
Phillip
I must take umbrage I never called DT a jackass! :wink: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 06, 2020, 05:21:00 am
NO, DT is an elephant. It takes a Dem to be a jackass.   :tongue: :tongue: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 06, 2020, 03:10:27 pm
NO, DT is an elephant. It takes a Dem to be a jackass.   :tongue: :tongue: :cheesy:
I think your donkey and my jackass are slightly different! One has been a boon to mankind for 5000 years. The other you can only guess at, it needed JC to get him to talk and not very well at that! :tongue:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 06, 2020, 03:22:30 pm
NAH, not much difference between Peelousy and Shumer, but you can have them both. I'll keep my elephant.  :wink: :cool: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 06, 2020, 05:05:00 pm
NAH, not much difference between Peelousy and Shumer, but you can have them both. I'll keep my elephant.  :wink: :cool: :cheesy:
Wasn't the elephant called Dumbo? :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 06, 2020, 06:48:20 pm
No, Jumbo. Dumbo was the smaller one, about Pee-lousy's size.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 06, 2020, 07:14:50 pm
No, Jumbo. Dumbo was the smaller one, about Pee-lousy's size.
Should be iddee AKA David Attenborough, stick to the bees iddee, stick to the bees. :wink: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 06, 2020, 08:45:13 pm
Yep, me and David watched the first honeybee morph from another flying insect about 12,000 years ago. Dang, you didn't have to remind me how old I was.  :rolleyes: :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 10, 2020, 10:42:41 am
Hi Folks,

So now we have Bill Gates stepping up. Could he be a trusted advisor?, a beacon of hope during the plague?, a power hungry opportunist?

Ya know how sometimes when there is an extreme case of arson, the investigators profiles include the suspicion that a problematic firefighter may be the culprit?

Please read the following tow articles:

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2019/04/bill-gates-disease-saving-lives-time-side-190425131442857.html

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

https://civilianintelligencenetwork.ca/2020/02/12/george-soros-bill-gates-partner-with-china-on-coronavirus-drug/

Please be suspicious of everything you read!!! Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men.

Sal
PS: Is Fauci connected at all to Bill Gates? Do we have a vaccine for HIV?


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 12, 2020, 05:36:15 pm
Hi Folks,

So now we have Bill Gates stepping up. Could he be a trusted advisor?, a beacon of hope during the plague?, a power hungry opportunist?

Ya know how sometimes when there is an extreme case of arson, the investigators profiles include the suspicion that a problematic firefighter may be the culprit?

Please read the following tow articles:

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2019/04/bill-gates-disease-saving-lives-time-side-190425131442857.html

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

https://civilianintelligencenetwork.ca/2020/02/12/george-soros-bill-gates-partner-with-china-on-coronavirus-drug/

Please be suspicious of everything you read!!! Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men.

Sal
PS: Is Fauci connected at all to Bill Gates? Do we have a vaccine for HIV?
"Please be suspicious of everything you read!!! Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men".
Reading the above post it seems the line in bold is very relevent! :sad:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 13, 2020, 11:13:40 am
Hi Folks,

Guess who wrote this, February 28, 2020:

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

Fauci and Friends:


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?fbclid=IwAR1WfTK63l5j3_usKYf9mXjca8jCfy5mkNGvSPkxaLDEuym6hK5zEeDE2UU

Remember Those times when we shut the world down for SARS and MERS? Yeah,... me neither.

Ben Dover
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 17, 2020, 10:15:16 am
Is this true? This does not seem to offer CC Iddee, it is basically saying hundreds of cars are blocking access to the state capital, blowing their horns in protest of the dictatorship that the Governor seems to be demonstrating there in Michigan via overreaching in her ORDERS. 

https://youtu.be/s-kZ9WsZJX8
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 17, 2020, 10:31:12 am
Hi Folks,

Guess who wrote this, February 28, 2020:

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

Fauci and Friends:


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?fbclid=IwAR1WfTK63l5j3_usKYf9mXjca8jCfy5mkNGvSPkxaLDEuym6hK5zEeDE2UU

Remember Those times when we shut the world down for SARS and MERS? Yeah,... me neither.

Ben Dover


>  rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

Perhaps we had  a globalist leaning President then.  No need for Fauci to shut down the economy at that time. They were in control and had things going their way?



.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 18, 2020, 11:47:40 am
Hi Folks,

My club is handing out about 900 Packages from Wilbanks today AM, coincidentally, just down the road from my house. It was cold with an inch or two of wet snow on the ground. Not many early birds. I'm going back at noon. Tough for newbees and last few bee school classes.

Anywayyyy: Lies.. darned lies. And a comedian. The first was April 17 (Dan Crenshaw). The second was last night, I think.

Bill Maher KNOWS what butt holes liberals and the media are. But he hates Trump more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTGBJMDcras

And then, please click the link:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/04/17/maher-to-media-youre-giving-trump-the-chance-to-play-the-optimist-and-optimists-usually-win/

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 22, 2020, 07:37:26 pm
This was sent to me. I can not conform it. It may be a big lie. I don't even know if Bill O'Reilly really wrote it. But it was sent to me as such. If you read this, tell me, is this all true?

Written by Bill O'Reilly

China?s Bio weapon, and Pelosi.. My wife Angie will tell you that I study history and world events fluently every day. I have studied China for many years. To get answers I need to questions, I call many I know in Washington on Capitol Hill (from my tenure on two Presidential campaigns and Presidential talks) and I ask them for straight up answers to better understand what affects us as a nation.

Well, in 2016 America elected a new Sheriff: Donald J Trump. For decades the Chinese walked all over America but the new President said ?not anymore?. Trump literally strangled China?s economy to the point their economy was in its worst free fall ever. Trump negotiated a new 50 billion trade agreement. He had Xi by the proverbial bxxxx. America?s economy was on fire and unstoppable. President Xi Jingping knew he could not beat the USA militarily and he knew any domesticated economic attack would fail as our economy was too strong. He had to act. But how?

Enter the USA democrats led by Pelosi and Schiff. Impeachment. A hoax. A distraction for our people and President. Xi Jingping and his thugs see this. They aren?t stupid. They have very intelligent intellectual thinkers in their government. Now you must understand , the Chinese regime are truly Barbarians. Notice I did not say ALL CHINESE. The Chinese people are a good people. I enjoy my interactions with them.

The communist regime has millions of its own citizens slaving in gulags simply for speaking against the government or openly practicing Christianity. Knowing they could not attack us openly they needed to be coy, like a deceptive fox. In my opinion, I believe the regime released a biological weapon upon the world that doesn?t kill everyone, but kills ?enough,? especially the elderly and in-firmed. Back in WW 2 Hitler thought the same way. He got rid of what he considered the useless and rejects of society.

Trumps task force uses models to figure things. Xi used and uses ?models? too. China's president figured that if he killed a few of his own (a few hundred thousand to them would be a few out of 1.4 billion people) and spread the virus to other nations (especially to the USA) they would ?level the economic playing field? and not have fired a shot.

Losses of his own people were acceptable costs of a new war. When China?s own doctors attempted to sound the warning, they were immediately silenced. In fact one died and another has simply disappeared. Trump and the other allied leaders indeed KNOW this is what happened. They have under reported their own deaths. Trump knows he cannot outrightly seek retribution. His news conference today showed me this when he balked publicly about no outright retribution over Xi?s handling of this and he immediately brought up the ?trade deal?. However, Trump wasn?t being weak, he too was now being coy. We know this was a biological weapon. The food market story is BS.

Xi knows we know it. Trump also today announced he sent two battle groups of destroyers and other ships to sea several days ago to fight drugs and rogue actors like Iran should they try anything.

I say he did this to show Xi he knows what has transpired (we have the greatest intelligence assets) and that they (the Chinese) should rethink further action. Politics is premier. We cannot overtly attack China for what they have done as we would also suffer greatly. We all know this.

But China has temporarily achieved its goal. America was literally consumed by Trumps phony impeachment brought by the ultra left democrats (supported by democrat rank and file and one Republican Mitt Romney) and Xi Jingping saw an opening. He took it. Xi did what Trump usually does...he walked onto the world stage and threw a grenade into the ?room? and left. It exploded in the form of this worldwide pandemic. It brought the USA and the rest of the world to its knees and leveled the economic playing field.

Our economy is now near depression. Xi didn?t fire one bullet. Trump needed to up his game of chess and putting our Naval ships to sea was his next move. He said he is a ?war? President. He is.

But now on not one but two fronts. One front is the virus and the other front is the Chinese. While the Saudi?s and Russians are screwing with oil prices they aren?t overtly doing what this pandemic is doing. The drug smuggling story for dispatching the Naval Force is BS and the world knows it. I am of the opinion Trump can indeed bring us back from this catastrophe albeit with a changed playing field.

But Trump is a genius in chess and financial matters. He?s become a champ at international politics too. I am sure Trump can once again lead the economy to even stronger strength and greatness the it was . He can do it quickly I?m sure of it. He has proved it. Xi Jingping needs to be sent a message loud and clear. NEVER AGAIN. We need to bring all of our critical manufacturing back from China beginning with our medicines they were recently threatening to withhold. We can do it immediately. Again, another reason for Trump putting to sea such a sizable Naval Force. Sending a clear message.

We all must ride out the next few weeks. Then we and the world pick up the pieces and move on. The democrats who have given Xi this opening wrapped in a bow must pay a heavy price in November as they (the democrats) truly have cost and continue to cost America precious lives by the phony scandals. Nancy Pelosi continues to help the Chinese by her daily shameless attacks upon the President and meddling in stimulus packages as she did this last weekend. Yesterday?s statements she made were truly appalling and the lowest of low. I didn?t think she could go any lower. What a disgrace she is to our nation.

But, Pelosi aside, make no mistake, China must and will be taught a lesson the likes they have never seen before and Trump is the man to pull the trigger.

We the people must teach the democrats the same lesson at the polls. They (the radical wing of the party) are the enemy of a free America. I am certain of it. The entire democrat party of our forefathers is dead. Remember people, Trump indeed tried to warn us all of the Conavirus in his State of the Union Speech. He spoke of it. He said he was on top of it.

After he spoke , Nancy Pelosi ripped up the speech calling Trumps words ?a manifesto of lies?. She disgraced the country and all of our fellow honored citizens present in the House Chamber. Well she now has American blood on her hands. She is very majorly responsible for these needless deaths as well as the Chinese. Her and Adam Schiff.

The left and democrats laughed as she tore up his speech. Well, as they laughed the disease he just spoke of in that speech came to our shores. Republicans and Democrats alike are now dying. Your family members and mine. Our grandparents and middle aged citizens alike. Bodies are being loaded in trucks with forklifts in Brooklyn outside of hospitals. No one is safe. Our liberty is for the most part suspended. As we bury our dead (without proper funerals) from this calamity let?s drive the nails into the coffin of the Democrat party as well in November.

It?s time people. Stand up for your rights and your country! Our Liberty and survival is at stake! I am praying for God?s blessing on our nation. But, God also gave us the ability to think for ourselves and it?s time we placed blame for all this death where it belongs: on the doorsteps of Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff and Xi Jingping directly. Wake Up America.  WAKE UP!

Written by: Bill O'Reilly

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 22, 2020, 09:53:02 pm
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-oreilly-coronavirus-essay/

I know snopes is as far left as Pee-lousy and adolph shitt, but here is what they say.

I think whoever wrote it is right on the button.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 23, 2020, 01:42:17 am
April 22nd Liberty Report  Featuring Dr Ron Paul
Titled:
What's In It For Bill Gates - Does He Want To Rule The World?

If you read it, is what is in it, truth or lies?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 23, 2020, 06:27:16 pm
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-oreilly-coronavirus-essay/

I know snopes is as far left as Pee-lousy and adolph shitt, but here is what they say.
https://beemaster.com/forum/Smileys/beemaster/rolleyes.png
I think whoever wrote it is right on the button.
The dumbo's must really be scared to be taken in the above 'essay' :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 23, 2020, 06:45:41 pm
'bout time you woke up. Haven't heard from you in 10 or more days.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 23, 2020, 08:44:37 pm
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-oreilly-coronavirus-essay/

I know snopes is as far left as Pee-lousy and adolph shitt, but here is what they say.
https://beemaster.com/forum/Smileys/beemaster/rolleyes.png
I think whoever wrote it is right on the button.
The dumbo's must really be scared to be taken in the above 'essay' :rolleyes:

Well at least we do not run around wagging our tail, with our tongue hanging out, hopping and panting, drooling in happiness at every fake bone the fake news throws our way, like the cartoon character  "Goofy" When he is watching the BBC lol 

J/K old friend, 😬I just could not resist the open shot you gave us with the cartoon character labeling.  lol

Phillip (The Junior)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 24, 2020, 06:42:23 am
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-oreilly-coronavirus-essay/

I know snopes is as far left as Pee-lousy and adolph shitt, but here is what they say.
https://beemaster.com/forum/Smileys/beemaster/rolleyes.png
I think whoever wrote it is right on the button.
The dumbo's must really be scared to be taken in the above 'essay' :rolleyes:

Well at least we do not run around wagging our tail, with our tongue hanging out, hopping and panting, drooling in happiness at every fake bone the fake news throws our way, like the cartoon character  "Goofy" When he is watching the BBC lol 

J/K old friend, 😬I just could not resist the open shot you gave us with the cartoon character labeling.  lol

Phillip (The Junior)
Looks like the Chief Dumbo has dropped himself in it.....again! :rolleyes: For all the extreme Dumbos out there, DO NOT inject or swallow disinfectant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 24, 2020, 10:26:07 am
> Looks like the Chief Dumbo has dropped himself in it.....again! :rolleyes: For all the extreme Dumbos out there, DO NOT inject or swallow disinfectant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

And do not a swallow a UV light! LoL  :shocked: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 24, 2020, 02:36:39 pm
Yep, he does drop a sarcastic remark now and then just to watch the 40 IQ'ers jump and twitch. Then he sets back and laughs.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 24, 2020, 03:20:00 pm
Yep, he does drop a sarcastic remark now and then just to watch the 40 IQ'ers jump and twitch. Then he sets back and laughs.

 :grin: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 24, 2020, 04:43:26 pm
Yep, he does drop a sarcastic remark now and then just to watch the 40 IQ'ers jump and twitch. Then he sets back and laughs.

Spoken like a true Dumbo, you've been suckered again! :cheesy: Trouble is, the rest of the world is laughing at him! Did you see the shocked face of one of his scientific advisors? it was a picture :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 24, 2020, 06:37:01 pm
Yep, he does drop a sarcastic remark now and then just to watch the 40 IQ'ers jump and twitch. Then he sets back and laughs.

Spoken like a true Dumbo, you've been suckered again! :cheesy: Trouble is, the rest of the world is laughing at him! Did you see the shocked face of one of his scientific advisors? it was a picture :cheesy:

Chief Dumbo's scrabbling for cover, saying "I was making a sarcastic reply to the media reporters" all the while looking at and talking to his scientific and homeland security advisors! Pull the other one :rolleyes: But the extreme Dumbos will believe every word/lie he utters. More fool them. :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 24, 2020, 06:55:04 pm
Yep, he does drop a sarcastic remark now and then just to watch the 40 IQ'ers jump and twitch. Then he sets back and laughs.

Spoken like a true Dumbo, you've been suckered again! :cheesy: Trouble is, the rest of the world is laughing at him! Did you see the shocked face of one of his scientific advisors? it was a picture :cheesy:

Chief Dumbo's scrabbling for cover, saying "I was making a sarcastic reply to the media reporters" all the while looking at and talking to his scientific and homeland security advisors! Pull the other one :rolleyes: But the extreme Dumbos will believe every word/lie he utters. More fool them. :wink:

That wasn't it at all, he had most likely been up 72 hours straight, in meeting after meeting day and night deprived of sleep, looking, searching, hoping, , for some kind of answer to the problems facing our nation. Needing unbios help from all elected officials, willing to put politics aside, as he strives to keep the country prospering. All the while, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and Chuck Schumer are AWOL, most likely hanging out at her home, eating Ice cream, cookies and cake. Playing the Three Stooges. A perfect cast for the part may I add. It seems there was some report one of those bias stations, about her candy and ice cream tours? That wasn't BBC was it? I can't remember.  lol
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 24, 2020, 08:48:26 pm
Cider, Cider, Cider,  You wouldn't recognize the truth if it went up your nostril and came out your ear. Trump knows exactly what he needs to do to get the 40 IQ'ers to jump up and show their stupidity, and he just did it again.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 24, 2020, 08:49:05 pm
Yep, he does drop a sarcastic remark now and then just to watch the 40 IQ'ers jump and twitch. Then he sets back and laughs.

Spoken like a true Dumbo, you've been suckered again! :cheesy: Trouble is, the rest of the world is laughing at him! Did you see the shocked face of one of his scientific advisors? it was a picture :cheesy:

Chief Dumbo's scrabbling for cover, saying "I was making a sarcastic reply to the media reporters" all the while looking at and talking to his scientific and homeland security advisors! Pull the other one :rolleyes: But the extreme Dumbos will believe every word/lie he utters. More fool them. :wink:

That wasn't it at all, he had most likely been up 72 hours straight, in meeting after meeting day and night deprived of sleep, looking, searching, hoping, , for some kind of answer to the problems facing our nation. Needing unbios help from all elected officials, willing to put politics aside, as he strives to keep the country prospering. All the while, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and Chuck Schumer are AWOL, most likely hanging out at her home, eating Ice cream, cookies and cake. Playing the Three Stooges. A perfect cast for the part may I add. It seems there was some report one of those bias stations, about her candy and ice cream tours? That wasn't BBC was it? I can't remember.  lol

Oh Ben you do go on :rolleyes: Who are you hoping to convince of your make-believe? Probably the idiots/Dumbos that the chemical companies thought they needed to warn! Ben please make your stories a little more plausable. :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 24, 2020, 09:04:32 pm
> Oh Ben you do go on :rolleyes: Who are you hoping to convince of your make-believe? Probably the idiots/Dumbos that
    the chemical companies thought they needed to warn! Ben please make your stories a little more plausable. :wink:

Now now Cider, honestly, who would really think a disinfectant would be good thing placed in the body? I am afraid iddee is right again. He and Mr Trump got you again! lol Now if Joe Biden was to say such a thing, well Hollywood Joe might be serious!  :cheesy:
Between the walls, Mr Trump did look rather serious when he said it. Thanks to iddee with his answer to you, I now see what the score is. Maybe Ace will chime in, he lives around the corner form Mr Trump. Perhaps they jog together or play golf together? Perhaps Ace can fill us in with the inside story? lol
 :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 25, 2020, 04:43:23 am
> Oh Ben you do go on :rolleyes: Who are you hoping to convince of your make-believe? Probably the idiots/Dumbos that
    the chemical companies thought they needed to warn! Ben please make your stories a little more plausable. :wink:

Now now Cider, honestly, who would really think a disinfectant would be good thing placed in the body? I am afraid iddee is right again. He and Mr Trump got you again! lol Now if Joe Biden was to say such a thing, well Hollywood Joe might be serious!  :cheesy:
Between the walls, Mr Trump did look rather serious when he said it. Thanks to iddee with his answer to you, I now see what the score is. Maybe Ace will chime in, he lives around the corner form Mr Trump. Perhaps they jog together or play golf together? Perhaps Ace can fill us in with the inside story? lol
 :wink:

"Now now Cider, honestly, who would really think a disinfectant would be good thing placed in the body"?

I guess that must be the Dumbo- in- Chief who thought it would be funny to announce it at a press conference he knew would be broadcast around the world. Slightly convoluted non-thinking I suppose, but not unexpected.
Now what is funny is your growing double act with the NC dumbo, you could feed each other tidbits you get from your 'further up the food chain' friends
I see the makers of 'Lysol' etc are not best pleased about the damage this could cause their brands, not best pleased at all  :rolleyes:
Still, you could see where the G&T was coming from, just got confused between a disinfectant cloth and a hypodermic needle. Definitely not a quality you want in a Commander in Chief. :cheesy: 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 25, 2020, 06:00:19 am
I really enjoy our picking back and forth at one another. In all honesty and sincerity, I can not defend what he said. No one person knows all about every subject, that includes Mr Trump. I can not defend what he said. Mr Trump is surrounded by the enemy which is like a pack of raving Wolves. Steady nipping, jumping in from every every direction and angle. Looking for any chance or opportunity to pounce on him, getting a solid hold on him so all the others can join in and bring him down and devour him. For nearly three and one half years, he has stood his ground, fighting them off.
I hope he has thought to remember, as we all need to remember, He can not do it alone.  He and we would do well to remember our God and Savior. And who the Savior really is. It is not Mr Trump. It is our Messiah. Jesus the Christ. I hope Donald has remembered his Bible which he placed in the Oval Office. The Bible that belonged to his ancestor. The Donald he was named after, from times ago. Maybe he has, I do not know. But I do know that The Word says
 
2 Chronicles 7:14 King James Version
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 25, 2020, 05:35:27 pm
I really enjoy our picking back and forth at one another. In all honesty and sincerity, I can not defend what he said. No one person knows all about every subject, that includes Mr Trump. I can not defend what he said. Mr Trump is surrounded by the enemy which is like a pack of raving Wolves. Steady nipping, jumping in from every every direction and angle. Looking for any chance or opportunity to pounce on him, getting a solid hold on him so all the others can join in and bring him down and devour him. For nearly three and one half years, he has stood his ground, fighting them off.
I hope he has thought to remember, as we all need to remember, He can not do it alone.  He and we would do well to remember our God and Savior. And who the Savior really is. It is not Mr Trump. It is our Messiah. Jesus the Christ. I hope Donald has remembered his Bible which he placed in the Oval Office. The Bible that belonged to his ancestor. The Donald he was named after, from times ago. Maybe he has, I do not know. But I do know that The Word says
 
2 Chronicles 7:14 King James Version
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Well, I suppose Phillip that says it all, I give up, I may as well find a dark corner and weep. What do you think the G&T is, the second coming? I've a feeling you may be disappointed.  :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 25, 2020, 09:01:28 pm
lol Do not despair Cider, our thinking is not that far apart on this one. I think he sounded rather "dumbo" by what he said. But I give him credit for his love for his Country, this Nation and his fellow man. I do not think Mr Trump is the second coming. Just a man trying to help his Nation. But do not worry, that may be as colse to agreeing that we may come for some time.  :shocked: 
We shall see! lol

Phillip (The Junior).  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 27, 2020, 06:36:13 pm
lol Do not despair Cider, our thinking is not that far apart on this one. I think he sounded rather "dumbo" by what he said. But I give him credit for his love for his Country, this Nation and his fellow man. I do not think Mr Trump is the second coming. Just a man trying to help his Nation. But do not worry, that may be as colse to agreeing that we may come for some time.  :shocked: 
We shall see! lol

Phillip (The Junior).  :cheesy:
Is the Chief Dumbo on the way out?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/us/politics/trump-election-briefings.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=622989631&imp_id=204544673&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer
Now you could say its Fake News or one could say it's hee-haw propaganda, but it bears thinking about. :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 27, 2020, 08:18:08 pm
Yes Cider, The NYT would love for everyone to forget how well the country was doing before the virus was brought here. They would like for the public to forget how stable the economy was, how effective his trade deals were, how he and his team irritated terrorism, how our allies were brought into line beginning to pay their fair share of funding for NATO, how we went from being a energy dependant nation to being independent, and not only independent, but an exporter. On and on I could go boring you, not to mention that Mr Trump was the one who shut down travel to China, in spite of criticism from the NYT, WHO, Fauci, Bone Head Joe Biden, and many others. The NYT are so repulsive as to think and hope to place all the worlds troubles on Mr Trump. Surely you, as intelligent as you are, did not swallow the bait that the NYT has thrown out?  Tell me another one; except this time, place it in the humor section. 
 :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 27, 2020, 08:19:59 pm
 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 28, 2020, 07:52:35 am
Yes Cider, The NYT would love for everyone to forget how well the country was doing before the virus was brought here. They would like for the public to forget how stable the economy was, how effective his trade deals were, how he and his team irritated terrorism, how our allies were brought into line beginning to pay their fair share of funding for NATO, how we went from being a energy dependant nation to being independent, and not only independent, but an exporter. On and on I could go boring you, not to mention that Mr Trump was the one who shut down travel to China, in spite of criticism from the NYT, WHO, Fauci, Bone Head Joe Biden, and many others. The NYT are so repulsive as to think and hope to place all the worlds troubles on Mr Trump. Surely you, as intelligent as you are, did not swallow the bait that the NYT has thrown out?  Tell me another one; except this time, place it in the humor section. 
 :cheesy: :cheesy:
Good News Good News! I've managed to find a dark corner complete with a chair. Now I can weep in comfort. In between the laughing fits of course.  :cheesy:
PS Didn't I mention it could be Hee-Haw propaganda, or do you prefer to disregard what doesn't fit your narrative. :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 28, 2020, 08:06:03 am
> Good News Good News! I've managed to find a dark corner complete with a chair. Now I can weep in comfort. In between the laughing fits of course.  :cheesy:
PS Didn't I mention it could be Hee-Haw propaganda, or do you prefer to disregard what doesn't fit your narrative. :wink:



LOL You should have posted that in the humor section!! (Hee Haw Section), because your last comment actually caused me to laugh out loud!  Thanks 😊
You know, our Bob Hope was from England. (May he Rest In Peace). As they say,  it is a small world. I would not be too surprised to find you may be of relation!

PS I suppose they do not call it Jolly Ole England for nothing!
 :wink:

Phillip (The Junior)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 28, 2020, 08:16:12 am
May I add, hopefully you will soon lose those tendencies to be drawn into dark corners! Be bold, be brave, slowly open your eyes and let  the light of truth shine. Easy does it my friend one little bold, sure footed step at a time! 

Phillip (The Junior)  😊😁
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 28, 2020, 08:45:23 am
> PS Didn't I mention it could be Hee-Haw propaganda, or do you prefer to disregard what doesn't fit your narrative. :wink:

 :wink:
I hope it?s Hee Haw propaganda ! Lol
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 28, 2020, 05:23:54 pm
> PS Didn't I mention it could be Hee-Haw propaganda, or do you prefer to disregard what doesn't fit your narrative. :wink:

 :wink:
I hope it?s Hee Haw propaganda ! Lol
Now Ben you're making me wonder if you didn't recognise my reference to the Democrat Party. :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 28, 2020, 05:42:47 pm
> PS Didn't I mention it could be Hee-Haw propaganda, or do you prefer to disregard what doesn't fit your narrative. :wink:

 :wink:
I hope it?s Hee Haw propaganda ! Lol
Now Ben you're making me wonder if you didn't recognise my reference to the Democrat Party. :wink:

I am not going to say I did miss it, and I am not going to say I didn't miss it. I will say, if I did miss it, I would be reluctant to admit it unless you were to pin me down.   LOL  :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 01, 2020, 09:16:18 am
Hi Folks,

No bad language in this one. My apologies for that Carlin video.

This one does, however, have depictions of nazis. It's oddly fun. I hope it works.:

https://www.facebook.com/cody.thompson.58/videos/10214280824129483/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 05, 2020, 03:09:19 pm


Hum, Truth or Lie?



https://youtu.be/NP5kg7aYpOo
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 02, 2020, 07:28:14 am
Hi Folks,

Remember those "End the Lock Down" riots a few weeks ago? Firearms! Vandalism! Looting! Injuries!

Well, now we have the activities AFTER the "Peaceful Protests".

I wonder how many republicans or NRA members are involved in this latest one?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-local-leaders-abandoned-us

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on June 03, 2020, 06:34:43 am
lol Do not despair Cider, our thinking is not that far apart on this one. I think he sounded rather "dumbo" by what he said. But I give him credit for his love for his Country, this Nation and his fellow man. I do not think Mr Trump is the second coming. Just a man trying to help his Nation. But do not worry, that may be as colse to agreeing that we may come for some time.  :shocked: 
We shall see! lol

Phillip (The Junior).  :cheesy:
Is the Chief Dumbo on the way out?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/us/politics/trump-election-briefings.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=622989631&imp_id=204544673&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer
Now you could say its Fake News or one could say it's hee-haw propaganda, but it bears thinking about. :smile:

Has the chief Dumbo totally lost it? What with having to run to the bunker under the white house, too, with his usual pout, threatening to deploy the federal military to put down his own people! Is this not one step from a police state? He wants to be re-elected in November. But will the turkeys' vote for Christmas :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 03, 2020, 08:45:38 am
Martin Luther King said he would conquer the US without ever firing a shot. He has nearly succeeded. Trump is trying to keep all people equal, not letting the blacks totally take over. Too bad the demo idiots are dumb enough to let it happen, the same as the German people voted for Hitler and let him have his way.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 03, 2020, 10:17:38 am
lol Do not despair Cider, our thinking is not that far apart on this one. I think he sounded rather "dumbo" by what he said. But I give him credit for his love for his Country, this Nation and his fellow man. I do not think Mr Trump is the second coming. Just a man trying to help his Nation. But do not worry, that may be as colse to agreeing that we may come for some time.  :shocked: 
We shall see! lol

Phillip (The Junior).  :cheesy:
Is the Chief Dumbo on the way out?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/us/politics/trump-election-briefings.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=622989631&imp_id=204544673&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer
Now you could say its Fake News or one could say it's hee-haw propaganda, but it bears thinking about. :smile:

Has the chief Dumbo totally lost it? What with having to run to the bunker under the white house, too, with his usual pout, threatening to deploy the federal military to put down his own people! Is this not one step from a police state? He wants to be re-elected in November. But will the turkeys' vote for Christmas :cheesy:

Perhaps the real chief dumbo is not the person which you perceive him to be?  Perhaps the real chief dumbo is using his supporters as a last ditch shield, hiding from justice which (may) be coming? Perhaps the real chief dumbo is in a bunker somewhere hiding? I do not know. You tell me. This is big lies section, is the following true?


https://youtu.be/FEWM1TG-QX8
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 03, 2020, 11:34:47 am
Quote
Martin Luther King said he would conquer the US without ever firing a shot. He has nearly succeeded. Trump is trying to keep all people equal, not letting the blacks totally take over. Too bad the demo idiots are dumb enough to let it happen, the same as the German people voted for Hitler and let him have his way.

I don't think that was MLK, but various dictators have made similar comments over the decades.  :wink:

I also don't think any of this has to do with blacks trying to take over.  If you look at these riots, most of the rioters are 20 something white kids and many of those wearing Antifa gear.  Antifa is a Marxist organization and along with other Marxist organizations and people like Bernie supporters really would like to take over the country and bring about "fundamental change". 

We have a clash of ideology in this country that has been going on for years.  Unfortunately, the Marxists are gaining more power and putting people like AOC and Co. into office.  What the Russians couldn't accomplish in the 60s, we are doing to ourselves by supporting groups like Antifa, BLM, and electing Marxists.

Ask a 20 something about the cold war and most will tell you that it was stupid and communism was never a threat.  These are our future leaders. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 03, 2020, 01:56:16 pm
I think you are right Kathy. That is the way I am see it also. By the way, it is good to see you posting and expressing your valued opinion.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 03, 2020, 02:19:44 pm
Other than your first line, I think you are right. MLK did say it, more than once. I'm old enough to remember when he was saying it.
The young white socialists are using them as pawns to do the job, I agree with, but it's like the Palestinians using the Hamas to do their dirty work. The Marxists are using the blacks to do theirs. I was in the Army at Fort Bragg from Oct. 1967 til Apr. 1968 when he was killed, and onward after that, taking riot training. It's still fresh in my mind.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 03, 2020, 03:01:19 pm
Just to clear the air, I wasn?t referring to Kathy?s first line. I was referring to the communist and  marxist part. I do remember being taught in school that the Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev was one who said it. Apparently they are not teaching this any longer, or the evils of communist or why it is evil. Ronald Reagan was quick to call Russia or the Soviet Union, The Evil Empire.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 03, 2020, 03:33:56 pm
Quote
Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev was one who said it.

A number of dictators have said similar things.  Qudafi said they'd outbreed us (paraphrased). 

I can't find any quote from MLK like that, but if someone can find one I'd be interested.  He talked a lot about changing the system, but I can't find a reference to overthrowing the system. 

I was in Oakland during the riots.  Lots of fun, especially for a military family.  Combine anti-war and racial unrest and it becomes quite a party.  But again, a lot of those groups were Marxist groups.  Malcome X, as an example. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 03, 2020, 11:52:09 pm
> A number of dictators have said similar things.

Nikita Khrushchev is (the only one) I was taught who said it during my schooling. I have not looked this up to find the others.

I do know Abraham Lincoln was credited as saying "The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next."

Ronald Reagan warned: "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom and then lost it have never known it again."




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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 04, 2020, 01:01:17 am
Hum, Who is telling the truth and who is telling big lies?



The following is offered in CC for the hearing impaired.
ttps://youtu.be/QrJgLR7L03M
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on June 04, 2020, 03:55:35 am
Hum, Who is telling the truth and who is telling big lies?



The following is offered in CC for the hearing impaired.
ttps://youtu.be/QrJgLR7L03M
Alternatively......something for you Phillip :wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZv8GQX8E1I
Sleep well.
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 04, 2020, 10:04:41 am
Poor Mr Trump. The left will jump on him even for the way he holds a Bible.  Apparently they are attempting to divert the intention of Mr Trump. He was not simply holding the Bible, He was lifting  up Gods Word in a time of trouble. Good for Mr Trump.  Cheerio ole chap 😊
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 04, 2020, 10:59:11 am
Poor Mr Trump. The left will jump on him even for the way he holds a Bible.  Apparently they are attempting to divert the intention of Mr Trump. He was not simply holding the Bible, He was lifting  up Gods Word in a time of trouble. Good for Mr Trump. 

Let me add, even when he has set the record straight, time and time again throughout his Presidency, as in the video above picturing him holding up the Bible; the mocking and continued disregard and disrespect of facts along with the truth of the matter continue to be ignored. Could this insolent behavior be considered, or equal too, blind hate?




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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on June 04, 2020, 12:55:43 pm
Poor Mr Trump. The left will jump on him even for the way he holds a Bible.  Apparently they are attempting to divert the intention of Mr Trump. He was not simply holding the Bible, He was lifting  up Gods Word in a time of trouble. Good for Mr Trump. 

Let me add, even when he has set the record straight, time and time again throughout his Presidency, as in the video above picturing him holding up the Bible; the mocking and continued disregard and disrespect of facts along with the truth of the matter continue to be ignored. Could this insolent behavior be considered, or equal too, blind hate?




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Ben, Get in touch with iddee and ask can you borrow some of his pills and salt, you sound in dire need. I would let you have some but I fear you would think it is a "leftist" plot! or maybe to undermine the G&T ( not as though he needs help with that)
cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 04, 2020, 01:47:44 pm
 :cheesy: :wink:

I fear that my chances would be better with you Cider! Iddee has been almost AWOL lately!  :shocked:




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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 04, 2020, 03:03:46 pm
Why beat a dead horse. Some folks will never heal from their TDS.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 04, 2020, 03:07:23 pm
There he is !
No since  beating a dead horse but what is TDS?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 04, 2020, 03:17:03 pm
There he is !
No since  beating a dead horse but what is TDS?

I got it iddee.  (Trump Derangement Syndrome) lol 😂 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 04, 2020, 05:32:22 pm
:shocked: Don't give up iddee, Cider may still come around.. His horse may just be laying down in stubbornness?  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 04, 2020, 10:02:11 pm
HORSE?????     Only a mule could be that stubborn.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on June 06, 2020, 04:33:12 am
HORSE?????     Only a mule could be that stubborn.
Are you casting aspersions on my horse's ethnicity? I shall have words with him or he may "take a Knee"quite unsettling when being ridden. :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 15, 2020, 08:56:20 am
Hi Folks,

I posted in March: These people will impoverish the country.

From yesterday's Wash. Post:

More than $6.5 trillion in household wealth vanished during the first three months of this year as the pandemic tightened its hold on the global economy, the Federal Reserve said this week. That?s roughly equivalent to the economies of the United Kingdom and France combined.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/14/ripple-effects-downturn-show-pandemics-early-economic-toll-was-just-beginning/

We've learned recently, FROM PROGRESSIVES:

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/20/858600098/progressives-see-coronavirus-crisis-as-a-chance-to-make-big-lasting-policy-chang

?What if, in the middle of the night, my home is broken into. Who do I call?? Camerota asked.

?Yes, I mean I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and myself, too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege,? Bender answered. ?Because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done.?

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/minneapolis-city-council-president-defends-plan-to-dismantle-police-on-cnn-expecting-their-help-comes-from-privilege/

Never let a good crisis go to waste. If you can't "Take from the rich and give to the poor", Then just take it away from the average working citizen. Impoverish the average citizen. Screw THE AVERAGE CITIZEN!

The rich and the politicians are still rich. The rich, and the politicians are still secure.

Sal


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 17, 2020, 11:33:36 pm
Is this true?

CC for the hearing impaired
https://youtu.be/zZLH077cE7Y
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 18, 2020, 12:35:53 am
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Is this true?

yes

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/google-censorship-china-conservatives/
2018 and there are more examples of them being caught if you search hard enough, or don't use Google to search.   :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on June 22, 2020, 01:24:52 pm
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Is this true?

yes

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/google-censorship-china-conservatives/
2018 and there are more examples of them being caught if you search hard enough, or don't use Google to search.   :wink:
The G&T tells his Tulsa rally," of course if you test more you find more so I asked our teams to test less, to slow down" don't upset our supporters :cheesy:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53129524
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 22, 2020, 01:48:07 pm
Once again I see that you have changed the subject, the very subject that you took the time to quote, because you know. the above news report and commentary is correct. I suppose that honest report (left) you speechless. But I will play with you.
 :cheesy:

It is common knowledge that most folks that contact the virus show no, to little sign, of having this illness. There is a few, and I say few in proportion or ratio to the general population, that obtain flu like symptoms. There again a small number of that progress into death, once again in proportion to the general population. I would  suppose the numbers that count, are the ones which are hospitalized, and or expires. These two examples are the numbers that should be counted and tested. The general population is not tested for the flu, (which kills many thousands each year), unless the above circumcises are realized. Like it or not, once again Mr Trump is right!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on June 22, 2020, 06:20:20 pm
Once again I see that you have changed the subject, the very subject that you took the time to quote, because you know. the above news report and commentary is correct. I suppose that honest report (left) you speechless. But I will play with you.
 :cheesy:

It is common knowledge that most folks that contact the virus show no, to little sign, of having this illness. There is a few, and I say few in proportion or ratio to the general population, that obtain flu like symptoms. There again a small number of that progress into death, once again in proportion to the general population. I would  suppose the numbers that count, are the ones which are hospitalized, and or expires. These two examples are the numbers that should be counted and tested. The general population is not tested for the flu, (which kills many thousands each year), unless the above circumcises are realized. Like it or not, once again Mr Trump is right!
Ben, I know you're obsessed with G&T but did he not say "I asked my team to test less' to slow down on the tests?" Some help to the American people! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 22, 2020, 06:27:54 pm
Yes, it's a help to the American people. What kind of chaos would there be if all Americans had to be tested for all known viruses? We would be tested 364 days a year and would never have time for anything else. Like Ben said, only test sick people, like with all other viruses.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 22, 2020, 08:32:19 pm
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Ben, I know you're obsessed with G&T but did he not say "I asked my team to test less' to slow down on the tests?"

I didn't watch the rally but I did watch that joke in context.  What was interesting is that of all that he said during that rally, this was the only thing they picked out to repeat.

Calling a violent occupation in your city a "summer of love" and then claiming it was a joke is OK.  Making an actual joke?  Not so much.

The good thing?  Apparently the DNC and its publicity arm, our media, don't have anything else.

Can't wait for the debates!!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 22, 2020, 08:35:28 pm
Iddee, I am thinking the facts go completely over the Scorpion Kings head. He just does not get it. And It is not because he is not intelligent, quite the contrary. I am sure he has a very high IQ. There can only be one answer.  TDS! lol
 :cool: There, Sunglasses back to you my stinger tailed friend!!
 :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 22, 2020, 08:42:50 pm
>The good thing?  Apparently the DNC and its publicity arm, our media, don't have anything else.
Can't wait for the debates!!

Well if "honest Joe" will show up for a debate I will be very surprised! I suppose the DNC would do well to search abroad for help. It is apparent Joe can't debate his way out of a wet paper bag! Maybe they can hire Christoper Steel for his advisor? But wait; Naw, that did not work out very well for them. Hey! What about their most loyal fan from the United Kingdom? What about Cider? Maybe he can throw some pointers there way?  lol
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 22, 2020, 09:11:23 pm
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What about their most loyal fan from the United Kingdom? What about Cider?

Someone at NBC has a far-left Brit contact that helped get a conservative site de-platformed by Google.  Good to know the Brits are so consistently helpful   :wink:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-news-google-federalist-zerohedge-ads

What's really funny is that NBC has this:  NBC News Verification Unit
and that this is simply referred to as a non-profit:  Center for Countering Digital Hate

Apparently countering digital hate means going after anyone who has an opinion that differs from their far-left crap...and they do it in such a loving way! 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 23, 2020, 08:34:25 am

Is this true?

CC for the hearing impaired
https://youtu.be/zZLH077cE7Y

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What about their most loyal fan from the United Kingdom? What about Cider?

Someone at NBC has a far-left Brit contact that helped get a conservative site de-platformed by Google.  Good to know the Brits are so consistently helpful   :wink:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-news-google-federalist-zerohedge-ads

What's really funny is that NBC has this:  NBC News Verification Unit
and that this is simply referred to as a non-profit:  Center for Countering Digital Hate

Apparently countering digital hate means going after anyone who has an opinion that differs from their far-left crap...and they do it in such a loving way! 


>Apparently countering digital hate means going after anyone who has an opinion that differs from their far-left crap...and they do it in such a loving way!


It would appear that you are correct, except I do not see any sign of love from the left. Only hate. Violently spewed hate is all I see from the left. The very thing they (say) they are combating.  The very opposite of love. And why wouldn't they have, and demonstrate, so much hate? Hate May be all they know? They officially bared God (Love) from public schools in the sixties, even went as far as to proclaim that there was no place for God in schools!  For the last few decades hate instead of Love has been taught at every turn. TV, Movies, Colleges etc. Even in movies the heros are laced with hate motivation most times and the public sucks it up like a sponge. Sad. Every once in a while a wholesome movie will appear such as (Facing the Giants). Now there is a movie based on LOVE. An Oasis in the desert of hate.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 23, 2020, 02:50:41 pm
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except I do not see any sign of love from the left.

Might have been a little sarcasm in that bit   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 23, 2020, 04:30:08 pm
Quote
except I do not see any sign of love from the left.

Might have been a little sarcasm in that bit   :cheesy:



>and they do it in such a loving way!


I took that and ran with it as it opened the door to my last post.  lol.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 23, 2020, 11:11:28 pm
This young lady doesn't mind sharing her thoughts. Is she right and correct at  presenting these thoughts with accuracy? What do you think?
You tell me.




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqUO8DzMvY
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on June 24, 2020, 12:07:15 am
Very well said.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: van from Arkansas on June 24, 2020, 10:00:24 am
The truth be told.  Well said.  Good post Mr. Ben.

Blessings
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 27, 2020, 06:00:27 pm
Hi Folks,

PBS condemns destruction of historic and cultural statues:

What do they gain? It's about propaganda.

A gratuitous and barbaric act intended to appeal to an audience looking for some sense of authenticity. It has SHOCK value. They're desperate for attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBrHUrUMifk

Too bad PBS hates America.

OK. So Isis/Antifa,... one and the same

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 28, 2020, 07:33:29 am
Hi Folks,

A little sympathy for those "peaceful protesters" please. That old reprobate shouldn't have been there to antagonize those nice young people. He should have been home posting on Beemaster!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/27/protesters-harass-assault-pro-trump-elderly-couple-near-white-house/

Can anyone say: Unarmed Assault?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on August 29, 2020, 09:10:47 am
This is exactly what how Hitler took over the German people.
Why are we allowing this to happen here? Why is the media supporting it? Only reason is they are planning the same take over.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 29, 2020, 12:04:21 pm
Hi Folks,

HERE WE GO AGAIN!

Booker: Trump Will INCITE His Base To Not Accept A Loss In November!

Want EVIDENCE?

Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,? Clinton said in an interview with her former communications director Jennifer Palmieri for Showtime's ?The Circus?

Dam that Demon Trump!

Thank you very much,

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on August 30, 2020, 01:11:00 pm
""All politicians lie and all politicians work for themselves first and if we are lucky enough work for their constituents next.  Some never work for who they represent.""

Golly, Gee, Ace. You finally got something right. Now you know why we elected a non-politicion who is working for us. I just hope you can let it soak in and get on the boat with us.   :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Now you know why we elected a non-politicion who is working for us. I just hope you can let it soak in and get on the boat with us.
Hey, I would be right there with you if he wasn't a carpet bagger.  This why the south can't give up the term darn Yankee.  It keeps happening to them.
A dam yankee comes and stays.

I very well know this.  I worked in textiles for 11 years.  Many southerners were my friend, they knew I was going home.  You do know the turd lives in FL?

Hum.         
shocked :shocked:   oops :oops:  lol


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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on August 31, 2020, 10:55:02 am
Mr Van and Jim, did you notice that the video of the young lady, expressing her views with facts, in reply 547 has been taken down? It seems truth can not be tolerated by the leaning of the youtube bunch. This seems to happen alot to conservative views on their platform? 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 14, 2020, 11:12:14 am
Is this a Big Lie or truth?

This came from a tweet by Andrew Bostom:  https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1302047711131308032
Brown University epidemiologist Andrew Bostom tweeted Tuesday that he had tallied up just over 26,000 students testing positive for COVID-19 (which itself may double-count the same person for multiple tests), based on reported figures from 29 universities, all but three public, stretching east from Arizona.

Yet he could not find a single reported hospitalization among those supposedly infected students. (PCR tests are notoriously prone to produce false positives, given that they catch even inactive viral fragments.)

Bostom has been tracking reported cases from campuses for a while now, writing skeptically about COVID-19 conventional wisdom at both his own blog and The Blaze. One of his Blaze colleagues at highlighted Bostom?s Friday case count of 11,000 in a post earlier Tuesday.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 22, 2020, 10:38:24 am
Hi Folks,

Late to the party? Annie! Get your gun!

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6192800591001#sp=show-clips

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 23, 2020, 10:18:46 am


Good video, I wonder why opposing views have not responded.





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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on September 25, 2020, 11:59:15 am


Good video, I wonder why opposing views have not responded.


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Nurse! Nurse! Someone send for a Nurse this chaps twopence short of a heart attack or a certification. Does Fox wind him up to give their viewers something to laugh about? :wink: :cheesy:



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on September 25, 2020, 12:04:37 pm
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Good video, I wonder why opposing views have not responded.

Maybe opposing views had time to watch a video that was posted with no clue as to the content?  I usually take my time getting around to something like that.   :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 27, 2020, 09:19:30 am
Hi Folks,

More points to ponder. Barbarians at the gates.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6194366378001#sp=show-clips

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on September 27, 2020, 11:15:37 am
Good post. It shows how far the Democrats are going to try to win back control. The same way that Marxist regimens take over countries.
Jim Altmiller   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on September 28, 2020, 05:11:58 pm
Here is a video that Ben Framed sent me.
I think it is too good not to share.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SG6u0HXX3A
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on October 13, 2020, 03:58:40 pm
Here is a video that Ben Framed sent me.
I think it is too good not to share.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SG6u0HXX3A
Jim Altmiller
Didn't the Republicans try to stop the Democrats from nominating a SCJ in the last year of the Democrats presidency? or have I missed something? Been conned by the fake news MSM? Or is it true and you are telling a pack of lies! Or should I say being slightly disingenuous?  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 13, 2020, 04:39:45 pm
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Didn't the Republicans try to stop the Democrats from nominating a SCJ in the last year of the Democrats presidency?

The nomination was made.

what is happening now has happened before.  When Obama nominated his person he was in the last months of his 8th year and the senate was controlled by a different party.  The senate chose not to confirm his nomination.  What Obama did was constitutional.  What the Senate did was constitutional.  What is happening how is constitutional.  This is politics.

If Obama had been in the last months of his 4th year with a dem Senate do you not think they would be doing exactly as the Senate is doing now?

There is a huge difference between what is legal and what is political.  Harry Reid did some nasty things that were legal, but political.  One of the things he did is now coming back to bite the dems in the backside.  So it goes....
I would also point out that if the dems had not gone off the rails in the last nomination, they probably would not have a problem convinceing some of the republicans to go along with waiting this time.  They chose to be nasty children and they are now going to pay for it.

But a question:  What is it about someone who swears to follow the law as written, that upsets the dems so much? 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on October 15, 2020, 02:43:08 pm
> What is it about someone who swears to follow the law as written, that upsets the dems so much? 

A mystery to me...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 23, 2020, 11:13:05 am
Biden: 'I Have Not Taken a Penny From Any Foreign Source Ever in My Life'

Bill Clinton: 'I Did Not Have Sexual Relations With That Woman'
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on November 02, 2020, 02:17:55 pm
Biden:  I have never said I want to stop fracking!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 02, 2020, 04:22:28 pm
Hum; Is it possible, Chuck Schumer has released similar WARNINGS to other justices?

https://youtu.be/TTPpBecAWZk

Supreme Court allows Pennsylvania to count mail-in ballots received after Election Day


(CNN)Mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania -- a critical state for President Donald Trump's reelection chances -- will be counted if they are received within three days of Election Day even if they do not have a legible postmark, the Supreme Court ruled Monday.
Four justices dissented from the order, signaling that the court was equally divided, with Chief Justice John Roberts siding with the court's three liberals.
The ruling is a loss for state Republicans who sought to require that only ballots received by Election Day be counted.
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The highly anticipated order could set the tone for other pre-election challenges and highlights the fact that once again Roberts has moved left to side with his liberal colleagues in an area where he has a very conservative record. It also comes just two weeks before Election Day and intensifies the Supreme Court confirmation battle over Judge Amy Coney Barrett, who could well prove to be a deciding vote on election night challenges.

      
       

"Once again, Chief Justice Roberts played the same role he's played over the last year -- appearing to put what he views as the court's institutional interests ahead of what he otherwise might've preferred," said Steve Vladeck, a CNN legal analyst and professor at the University of Texas School of Law. "But with the confirmation of Judge Barrett seemingly a fait accompli, this may be one of the last times that such a move by him is decisive."
Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro, a Democrat, told CNN's "New Day" on Tuesday that he's pleased with the ruling "because the voters here in Pennsylvania deserve clarity and confidence in an election that's already under way."
"Donald Trump has recklessly been trying to sow doubt in this process and limit the voices of the people of Pennsylvania. What this assures is that they'll count," he said.
The case in the battleground state has been of keen interest to voting rights experts who wanted to see how the Supreme Court might put limits on what state courts can do during the coronavirus pandemic to protect the right to vote. The justices have already signaled to federal courts that they should not step in to change rules too close to an election.
Earlier this month, Pennsylvania's state Supreme Court allowed officials to count mail-in ballots received up to three days after Election Day, even if the postmark was illegible.
The ruling would allow the votes of thousands of Pennsylvanians that could have been rejected for arriving after Election Day to be counted.It's not magic, it's math. Here's how CNN makes election projections
Lawyers for Republicans filed an emergency petition with the high court asking it to block the decision. They argued the state court opinion presents an "open invitation" to voters to cast their ballots after November 3, which would inject "chaos and the potential for gamesmanship into what was an orderly and secure schedule of clear, bright-line deadlines."
      

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 02, 2020, 07:06:52 pm
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The case in the battleground state has been of keen interest to voting rights experts who wanted to see how the Supreme Court might put limits on what state courts can do during the coronavirus pandemic to protect the right to vote. The justices have already signaled to federal courts that they should not step in to change rules too close to an election.

There have been rulings that some think are in conflict.  Here is the criteria and it is the same one used in 2000 FL.  The courts can't arbitrarily change voting regulations in a state that has legislated voting laws in place.  The legislature in a state can change the laws. 

These are the things that cause leftists to lose their minds.  They want the courts to act as a legislative branch to give them what they want.  They do not care that this is not the function of the courts.  That's why someone saying that they intend the follow the constitution causes them to riot in the streets.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 02, 2020, 11:55:32 pm
Hi Folks,

Three nominations for Nobel Peace Prize (as phony as it is).

The economy!

No new wars.

This (I did not read this in Murican News):
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/2/india-us-military-deal

And Biden is a contender?

Four More Years.

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 04, 2020, 07:44:04 pm
Hi Folks,

LIAR. LIAR. PANTS ON FIRE!!!

Not a fake virus!

Fake response!

https://www.facebook.com/670322593/videos/10158838235207594/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 17, 2020, 08:29:42 pm
Hi Folks,

Is everyone really, really scared yet?

Listen to this:

https://www.iceagefarmer.com/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 20, 2020, 06:57:16 pm
Hi Folks,

Remember when you said ^Eat Me^ was a naughty thing.

Well, not so much now.

https://www.dezeen.com/2020/11/13/ouroboros-steak-meal-kit-andrew-pelling-grace-knight-orkan-telhan/

Tastes like chicken.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 21, 2020, 07:28:48 am
Hi Folks,

What they DON'T tell you about Covid: Fewer beds taken up than last year, deaths a fraction of the grim forecasts, 95% of fatalities had underlying causes... and how the facts can be twisted to strike fear in our hearts.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html

Sal




Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 02, 2020, 09:09:14 pm
Hi Folks,

I didn't write this. Does my copy and paste make me less a man? Does it mean I can't feel these words are valid. Does it mean I'm CHEATING SOMEONE if i don't give a source.

Sometimes someone says something that has an effect on me, and I think would have an effect on someone else. I'll copy and paste it.


I didn?t write this - but WOW does it speak to my heart!!!  Worth the read.


Barely the day started and... it's already six in the evening.
Barely arrived on Monday and it's already Friday.
... and the month is already over.
... and the year is almost over.
... and already 40, 50 or 60 years of our lives have passed.
... and we realize that we lost our parents, friends.
and we realize it's too late to go back...
So... Let's try, despite everything, to enjoy the remaining time...
Let's keep looking for activities that we like...
Let's put some color in our grey...
Let's smile at the little things in life that put balm in our hearts.
And despite everything, we must continue to enjoy with serenity this time we have left. Let's try to eliminate the afters...
I'm doing it after...
I'll say after...
I'll think about it after...
We leave everything for later like ′′ after ′′ is ours.
Because what we don't understand is that:
Afterwards, the coffee gets cold...
afterwards, priorities change...
Afterwards, the charm is broken...
afterwards, health passes...
Afterwards, the kids grow up...
Afterwards parents get old...
Afterwards, promises are forgotten...
Afterwards, the day becomes the night...
Afterwards life ends...
And then it's often too late....
So... Let's leave nothing for later...
Because by still waiting see you later, we can lose the best moments,
the best experiences,
best friends,
the best family...
The day is today... The moment is now...
We are no longer at the age where we can afford to postpone what needs to be done right away.
So let's see if you have time to read this message and then share it.
Or maybe you'll leave it for "later"...


Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 02, 2020, 09:10:55 pm
Hi Folks,

Something else I'll copy and paste:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=roy+p+benavidez&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3droy%2bp%2bbenavidez%26FORM%3dHDRSC3&view=detail&mid=87EAEFFC7A9669341D8487EAEFFC7A9669341D84&&FORM=VDRVRV

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 02, 2020, 11:24:49 pm
Hi Folks,

Something else I'll copy and paste:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=roy+p+benavidez&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3droy%2bp%2bbenavidez%26FORM%3dHDRSC3&view=detail&mid=87EAEFFC7A9669341D8487EAEFFC7A9669341D84&&FORM=VDRVRV

Sal

Thank you Salvo for posting this.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 03, 2020, 09:02:03 pm
Hi Folks,

Lots going on today. These lockdowns are meant to keep Americans,... Trump supporters,.... AMERICA SUPORTERS,... from taking it to the streets.

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I ain't blind, and I don't like what I think I see.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: little john on December 04, 2020, 09:15:10 am
Hi Folks,

What they DON'T tell you about Covid: Fewer beds taken up than last year, deaths a fraction of the grim forecasts, 95% of fatalities had underlying causes... and how the facts can be twisted to strike fear in our hearts.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971669/What-DONT-tell-Covid-facts-twisted-strike-fear-hearts.html

Sal

Just looked in 'cause I was bored ...

No-one (that is, no-one with any brain cells) over here would ever dream of quoting from the Daily Mail - that rag caters for the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade.  If the Mail thinks that there really wasn't (and still is) a crisis - how was it that they started their own campaign to finance, source and deliver millions of items of PPE for our National Health Service ?
 
I think you'll find that newspapers are really only concerned with readership demographics, and pandering to those - whatever will boost their circulations. The claim of identifying any form of 'Truth' from a newspaper demonstrates total naivety.

The BBC is probably the nearest you'll ever get to editorial independence, as their funding is (or rather, has been until recently) guaranteed by statute - but even it has an unbalanced pro-Jewish bias.  But - the Beeb is still a better source of impartial reporting than any newspaper.
LJ
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 04, 2020, 11:03:37 pm
Sal
This chart seems kind of miss leading to me.  How many of those previous years were people wearing mask or doing any social distancing?  How many deaths would this year show if none of that was done?  What is still coming?
You are trying to compare apples to oranges in my opinion.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 05, 2020, 12:33:37 am
Hi Folks, Hi LJ and GWW,

I copied and pasted that death count jpeg from a friend's page.

I actually checked the numbers. They are all correct. They are very simple totals. Not complicated at all. Totals, since 2015, have been increasing by about 100,000 per year. THIS year, 2020, is on track to be a DROP! How can that be, with all the covid deaths. Can't argue with simple totals.

What more can someone do to prove to us that covid is nothing EXTRAORDINARY. President Trump, and 35 others actually caught it. His wife and son caught it. Two of those 35 went to hospital. One was a 70 year old President. The other was a portly gent. Both underlying conditions. Neither one died. The President's son got it. Didn't die. Tom Hanks didn't die. Fredo Combo didn't die. A sixty-six year old guy I know got it and didn't die. If anyone should have died, it should be ME! I wear my mask for a paycheck and out of consideration for delusional co-workers . I put it on to enter a store. I pity the fool who yaps at me to put a mask on when I'm off the job, or not walking into a store. My wife tells me... never mind.

The focus of that chart SHOULD BE Mark Twains statement. IT'S EASIER TO FOOL PEOPLE THAN TO CONVINCE THEM THEY WERE FOOLED!

Oh! Regarding Daily Mail. I browse a number of sources. I've posted links from Al Jazzera, Voice of Europe, Toronto Star,... But the DM has the hottest click bait on line. The BBC is on par with NPR/PBS. They both (insert your word here). You, LJ, fit right into this thread, BIG LIES. And there is no Santy Clause.

The long and the short of it is: There is no truth. Perception is reality.  It's one thing to know something. It's quite another to prove it. Believe your beliefs and doubt your doubts. Vanilla or chocolate?

Of course, we all know who the delusional people are, don't we.

What ever happened to TWO WEEKS TO FLATTEN THE CURVE? This lock down bull poo poo is just to keep Trump supporters, Maga supporters from gathering in large groups. 100 MORE DAYS STARTING THE END OF JANUARY!

The only thing we have to fear is covid.

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Sal

 




Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 07, 2020, 12:32:00 am


CC For the hearing impaired
https://youtu.be/CiNFgmQw_qo
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 07, 2020, 01:05:58 pm
Hi Folks,

Tom Hanks on Surviving Coronavirus: ?I Had Crippling Body Aches, Fatigue and Couldn?t Concentrate?
The world?s most relatable megastar talks about his Covid-19 experience, his fears for the future, and whether he?s really just so gosh darned nice.

?Oh no, we?re fine. Our discomfort because of the virus was pretty much done in two weeks and we had very different reactions, and that was odd. My wife lost her sense of taste and smell, she had severe nausea, she had a much higher fever than I did. I just had crippling body aches, I was very fatigued all the time and I couldn?t concentrate on anything for more than about 12 minutes. That last bit is kinda like my natural state anyway,? he says, with another chuckle, as if he were my father telling me there are no more monsters under the bed.

Please click for source:

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/tom-hanks-on-surviving-coronavirus-i-had-crippling-body-aches-fatigue-and-couldn-t-concentrate?utm_source=pocket-newtab

But he's SPECIAL, dontcha know! Covid would KILL us lesser mortals.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on December 10, 2020, 07:26:09 am
I see that creep Jiuliani has just left hospital wearing a mask, amazing what a quick dose of the "flu" can achieve.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on December 10, 2020, 08:15:59 am
I just left the hospital yesterday wearing a mask, too. Not because of the flu, but hospital protocol.  Stents # 11, 12, and 13, but no virus. Of course, if I die from a heart attack, they will say it was a virus death.That's libs for you.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 10, 2020, 09:39:30 am
Must have been a glitch here. Try the next post for availability.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 10, 2020, 09:47:06 am
Try this one.

Is the following, reported by OAN true or false? I do not know. What if its false? What if the witness is baring false witness on an innocent man? Very serious would not you agree?  On the other hand, what if it is true? Should not all citizens, no matter our view of politics want to know the truth of this matter? Do you?

The follow video is CC for the hearing impaired.
https://youtu.be/qZ_ks_sNITg
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on December 10, 2020, 11:15:49 am
I just left the hospital yesterday wearing a mask, too. Not because of the flu, but hospital protocol.  Stents # 11, 12, and 13, but no virus. Of course, if I die from a heart attack, they will say it was a virus death.That's libs for you.
iddee Hope you are OK now, you have 13 stents? could they have not called it 12a :wink: Keep wearing the mask when in public! :wink: I'm just waiting for my 'jab' after NHS staff, care homes and eighty year olds still its starting to roll out. :happy:
Happy Christmas 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on December 10, 2020, 01:10:28 pm
Too mean to die, Cider. The devil won't have me and the lord just laughed. Guess I'll just have to stay here a while longer. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and all other members of this forum and their families.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on December 11, 2020, 05:58:14 am
BTW what happens when you pass through an airport scanner? :wink:......and as for MRIs..... :rolleyes: :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on December 11, 2020, 06:45:05 am
MRI's are no problem. As far as scanners, I don't fly.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 12, 2020, 01:29:10 pm
BE BRAVE, MY FIENDS,... BE BRAVE.

OH! And please click the link. Don't be afraid. Be brave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LHdEUrGa8

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on December 12, 2020, 05:28:15 pm
Soooo, what is the difference between this propaganda and what he is espousing? Surely a contradiction in terms!

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 12, 2020, 10:59:48 pm
WOW! F&R (the R stands for RACIST).

Are you going to be a sphincter all you life?

I suppose so.

Other lies incoming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suCeNgAzQhA

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on December 13, 2020, 06:19:56 am
WOW! F&R (the R stands for RACIST).

Would you please qualify!

When Was I racist?

Being a sphincter? I suppose it takes one to know one, but I can't recall me ever calling you an arsehole...but if it fits.

Just because I dislike your posted propaganda videos makes me a racist? Isn't that bordering on slanderous?

But even so, have a Happy Christmas and a calm calm New Year.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on December 13, 2020, 06:25:59 am
MRI's are no problem. As far as scanners, I don't fly.
I was under a misapprehension I assumed yours were Surgical SS but are they plastic/nylon. Why no-fly?  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on December 13, 2020, 06:59:12 am
I don't know what they are made of. No fly is because I won't go through the BS they put an American through to board, and won't dress like a muslim to walk through uncontested.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 15, 2020, 01:05:42 pm
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/12/14/missile-drill-momentarily-triggers-false-air-attack-alarm-ramstein-air-base.html
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 18, 2020, 10:48:32 pm
Hi Folks,

Please only read the first few paragraphs. It's too long and too weird. The gist of it is: a yearly income of $160,000 is POVERTY in the USA!!!???

To most people, $160,000 sounds like a lot of money. ?Middle tier? sounds pretty solid. So why does Delia feel so desperate? She?s able to put $150 a month into a retirement account, but the family?s emergency savings account hovers at just $400. Going on vacation has meant juggling costs on several credit cards. ?I don?t feel like I?ll ever have a day that I won?t be worried about money,? she said. ?I?m resentful of my partner for not making more money, but more resentful of his crappy employer for not paying him more.?

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22166381/hollow-middle-class-american-dream

I kinda feel for these people,... but I just can't quite reach. What's a vacation again? I went on one in 1991. I've been too busy WORKING!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 28, 2020, 08:40:57 am
Hi Folks,

I was flipping channels last night. This was on PBS:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/a-e2-80-98messiah-e2-80-99-to-count-on-how-handel-and-haydn-society-kept-up-the-tradition-in-its-167th-year/ar-BB1bZ6rU?ocid=uxbndlbing

I have no words for this.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 31, 2020, 09:09:04 pm
Hi Folks,

Should auld acquaintance be forgot? Not bloody likely!

Obviously, they're LYING in Britain! But here in the Good Ole' US of A, the hospitals are full, and people are dying left and right.

Please click the link. Don't forget the click bait on the sides.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9101999/Anti-lockdown-activist-46-arrested-secret-hospital-footage.html

Bring up those freezer trucks, will ya!

Happy 2021 everyone. It's going to be a GREAT year. I can tell. Well,... for al the survivors at least.

Bobby Burns

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on January 01, 2021, 02:42:17 am
Good post Sal, Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 06, 2021, 11:31:48 pm
Hi Folks,

Please click it and see it before it goes away:

https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx/status/1346955261165105154?fbclid=IwAR3Drw1M6q5kRMZ3b5DiAeH79Oel1HOF4_Ercq77DjNMx_n5Y_hcRdHbhJg

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 07, 2021, 07:22:03 am
Hi Folks,

People say believe half of what you see son, and none of what you hear.

Please click, and see, and hear:

https://twitter.com/soul_katz/status/1346941918257827840

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 07, 2021, 11:13:35 pm
Hi Folks,

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And suddenly! Voter fraud is gone! A rigged election is gone!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 09, 2021, 11:43:00 pm
Hi Folks,

When he assumed office on August 9, 1974, Ford, referring to the Watergate scandal, announced that America?s ?long national nightmare? was over. There were no historical or legal precedents to guide Ford in the matter of Nixon?s pending indictment, but after much thought, he decided to give Nixon a full pardon for all offenses against the United States in order to put the tragic and disruptive scandal behind all concerned. Ford justified this decision by claiming that a long, drawn-out trial would only have further polarized the public. Ford?s decision to pardon Nixon was condemned by many and is thought to have contributed to Ford?s failure to win the presidential election of 1976.

I'll bet Biden pardons.....HUNTER!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 12, 2021, 10:58:19 pm
Hi Folks,

BIG FIGHT ON SENATE FLOOR!

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-sumner-brooks-affair-conflict-significance.html

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on January 13, 2021, 03:03:09 am
A quote from the above link.......

""One such Northerner was Senator Charles Sumner. Sumner was a member of the brand-new Republican Party, formed directly in opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Act. He opposed slavery, and was one of the most vocal accusers of the South's role in maintaining the vile institution. In May of 1856, Sumner presented a lengthy speech in the Senate entitled ''The Crime Against Kansas''."""

Yep, the Dems say, "If you can't buy them one at a time, buy them all at once."

Too bad they don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 14, 2021, 07:44:03 pm
Hi Folks,

Please click the link. Whaddaya see? I hope this works.

https://www.facebook.com/100015711873927/videos/943409446192776

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 24, 2021, 09:46:49 am
Hi Folks,

Joseph Raymond McCarthy (November 14, 1908 ? May 2, 1957) was an American politician and attorney who served as a Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 until his death in 1957. Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public face of a period in the United States in which Cold War tensions fueled fears of widespread communist subversion. He is known for alleging that numerous communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers had infiltrated the United States federal government, universities, film industry, and elsewhere.

Was McCarthy correct?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on January 24, 2021, 10:04:55 am
Yes he was. Even Reagan talked about the problem and the things they did, waiting till late at night to vote, when he was on the screen actors guild.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: rast on January 24, 2021, 09:42:26 pm
Somewhere just this past week I read that Reagan was an informer to the FBI at that time, he was referred to by a code name in the released government files.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Geoff on January 28, 2021, 08:48:10 pm
       What do you get when you ask a politician for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. ?


     Three different answers. !  !

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 03, 2021, 09:16:33 pm
Hi Folks,

Please click the link and read the article. It's well written, by a sociology associate professor, and it's a pleasant read,... but it's insidious. It is subtle, with harmful effects.

Please read every word. Look at the picture at the top. What do you THINK it says? What does it really say? Is that a picture of college graduates at the top in the field?

This lefty associate professor, this intellectually elite "working on his PhD." is screwing with the minds of the future of the USA. Heck! He's screwing with my mind,... almost.

https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-work-ethic-became-a-substitute-for-good-jobs?utm_source=pocket-newtab

This is how it's done folks. This is why so many "educated young people" don't want to work. They want to write, to think, and to be paid for it. Universal Basic Income.

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 13, 2021, 07:43:08 am
Hi Folks,

Did you know MEN LACTATE?  Whodda thunk it?

Here?s the thing.

Women aren?t the only ones who can nurse babies.

Chest-feeding!

Gives new meaning to Mother, Jugs and Speed.

Sooo,... Are we now to believe women can't do ANYTHING that a man can't improve on? Wow! Talk about a put-down.

C'mon, Man.

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on February 13, 2021, 11:00:24 pm
Sounds like she's not a very good money manager.   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 14, 2021, 12:51:45 pm
Hi Folks,

A friend linked me to this. The only thing Van der Veen got wrong was his statement about PBS. Go to the ten minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR3bw-BOzuhJNGsUWc2lavLjdamiBrRsMTaLkWErGnXR5cOAYk_1E2VuAUw&v=F0G6mAMUAsA&feature=youtu.be

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 14, 2021, 09:44:32 pm
Hi Folks,

The more things change,... the more they stay the same. Haters gotta hate!

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/02/13/trump-lawyer-van-der-veen-my-home-was-attacked-my-entire-family-my-business-my-law-firm-are-under-siege-right-now/amp/?fbclid=IwAR1TFpQmeHC1f-tYXMAim_35_bomAbuYABX8v9O9DRR5mPdtCa1afTfrqho

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on February 15, 2021, 09:00:26 am
Hi Folks,

The more things change,... the more they stay the same. Haters gotta hate!

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/02/13/trump-lawyer-van-der-veen-my-home-was-attacked-my-entire-family-my-business-my-law-firm-are-under-siege-right-now/amp/?fbclid=IwAR1TFpQmeHC1f-tYXMAim_35_bomAbuYABX8v9O9DRR5mPdtCa1afTfrqhoThanks

Sal



Very good post Sal.  The Attorney was very kind and humble, undoubtedly an honorable man making honorable statements.  In a time where sound reason is not easily found these days.
Listening to his words of reason was like going back in time.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on February 15, 2021, 11:52:48 am
Quote
The more things change,... the more they stay the same. Haters gotta hate!

Except the hate is more organized now and tends toward violence more often.

A combination of people who have no boundaries, no brain, and social media.   :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 20, 2021, 10:35:12 pm
Hi Folks,
Speechless!

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on February 21, 2021, 09:28:52 am
Hay,
They are wearing their masks as required by the government!
😊Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on February 27, 2021, 05:46:23 pm
As Jim said, it's probably just a teacher trying to follow the rules and still do their job.  The rules don't say anything about holes in masks... and it's probably not even the school making the rules... some mayor or governor who thinks they are the king...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 01, 2021, 11:24:36 pm
Hi Folks,

Tell me again just exactly what Fauci's job has been for the past 40 years????

Word on the Street: Why Are HIV Rates in the Latino Community So High?

https://www.thebody.com/slideshow/word-on-the-street-why-are-hiv-rates-in-the-latino?ap=818&fbclid=IwAR1cF02JNyeMdFacnIigJBF02AZIdw8bJUf1HmGO28IwHAnFcZQGc3zcpCI

Fauci refused to acknowledge the evidence and, according to one account, even encouraged people with AIDS to stop taking treatments, like Bactrim, that weren?t specifically approved for use in people with AIDS.

Body Counts, A Memoir of Politics, Sex, AIDS, and Survival.

You folks ever heard of THE PETER PRINCIPLE, the LEVEL OF INCOMPETANCE?

Adios Fauci! Don't kill the job!

Fifteen days to Flatten The Curve!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 09, 2021, 11:51:33 am
Hi Folks,

Please open the link and review if you have a few minutes,... well, more than a few.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=doctor+simone+gold+video+hearing+impaired&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3ddoctor%2bsimone%2bgold%2bvideo%2bhearing%2bimpaired%26%26FORM%3dVDVVXX&view=detail&mid=0DC2165C26B6E98374300DC2165C26B6E9837430&&FORM=VDRVSR

I can't find it for the hearing impaired.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 09, 2021, 09:19:14 pm
Hi Folks,

Hey! Who is this guy Tony Robbins?

https://dailyburstofenergy.com/conspiracy-theorist-tony-robbins/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: van from Arkansas on March 25, 2021, 11:28:08 pm
Hi Folks,

Please open the link and review if you have a few minutes,... well, more than a few.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=doctor+simone+gold+video+hearing+impaired&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3ddoctor%2bsimone%2bgold%2bvideo%2bhearing%2bimpaired%26%26FORM%3dVDVVXX&view=detail&mid=0DC2165C26B6E98374300DC2165C26B6E9837430&&FORM=VDRVSR

I can't find it for the hearing impaired.

Sal

Sal, great video.  Ben Framed directed us at BeeMaster to a video regarding the benefits of chloroquine against corvid19, back in February, 2020, over a year ago.  Yes, in great frustration I have seen a friend die of corvid19 who was denied chloroquine and placed in coma to ventilate.  So many preventable deaths.

If you are looking for reasons why so many forbid lies,  consider 40 billion$$$ paid by US govt for vaccine development OPERATION WARP SPEED.  That about $500 for every person in the US.  I could go on...  the lies are incredible, just insane lies based on $$$ and control.

Again, great video.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 26, 2021, 09:00:48 am
Sal your video has been removed like so many other videos.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 26, 2021, 09:33:12 am
Mr Van this is the video I posted then. It actually came out March 10, 2020. It was put out by Med Cram I think from Stanford University or doctors from Stanford, but don?t quote me on that part. So far Med Cram is still active. And has not been shut down like so many others have.


 https://youtu.be/U7F1cnWup9M
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 26, 2021, 02:03:59 pm
Mr Van, this is the lastest update put out by Med Cram Medical Lectures. You  may find it very interesting.


https://youtu.be/UiFDkfv8hEQ
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 26, 2021, 03:56:52 pm
Hi Folks,

Try this:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tony+robbins+covid+rant&&view=detail&mid=FD5D73FAE92DF7309C19FD5D73FAE92DF7309C19&&FORM=VDRVRV

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 03, 2021, 11:48:19 am
Hi Folks,

Kary Mullis is dead. But he has low regard for Fauchi.

Read here:

https://roundtablereport.com/?p=6582

And, Please click the link:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kary+mullis&&view=detail&mid=91B8A12214ED5CDFF8E591B8A12214ED5CDFF8E5&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dkary%2Bmullis%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

The rat race is over Folks. And the rats have won.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 08, 2021, 05:44:58 pm
"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party."

Mao Tse Tung
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 08, 2021, 06:38:50 pm
From the World Health Organization

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.

 

Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9

Jamaica 52.2

Venezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3

Malawi 36.0

Lesotho 35.2

Trinidad and Tobago 35.2

Colombia 33.4

South Africa 31.8

Congo 30.8

Central African Republic 29.3

Bahamas 27.4

Puerto Rico 26.2

Saint Lucia 25.2

Dominican Republic 25.0

Tanzania 24.5

Sudan 24.2

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9

Ethiopia 22.5

Guinea 22.5

Dominica 22.1

Burundi 21.7

Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7

Panama 21.6

Brazil 21.0

Equatorial Guinea 20.7

Guinea-Bissau 20.2

Kenya 20.1

Kyrgyzstan 20.1

Cameroon 19.7

Montserrat 19.7

Greenland 19.2

Angola 19.0

Guyana 18.6

Burkina Faso 18.0

Eritrea 17.8

Namibia 17.2

Rwanda 17.1

Mexico 16.9

Chad 15.8

Ghana 15.7

Ecuador 15.2

North Korea 15.2

Benin 15.1

Sierra Leone 14.9

Mauritania 14.7

Botswana 14.5

Zimbabwe 14.3

Gabon 13.8

Nicaragua 13.6

French Guiana 13.3

Papua New Guinea 13.0

Swaziland 12.9

Bermuda 12.3

Comoros 12.2

Nigeria 12.2

Cape Verde 11.6

Grenada 11.5

Paraguay 11.5

Barbados 11.3

Togo 10.9

Gambia 10.8

Peru 10.8

Myanmar 10.2

Russia 10.2

Liberia 10.1

Costa Rica 10.0

Nauru 9.8

Bolivia 8.9

Mozambique 8.8

Kazakhstan 8.8

Senegal 8.7

Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7

Mongolia 8.7

British Virgin Islands 8.6

Cayman Islands 8.4

Seychelles 8.3

Madagascar 8.1

Indonesia 8.1

Mali 8.0

Pakistan 7.8

Moldova 7.5

Kiribati 7.3

Guadeloupe 7.0

Haiti 6.9

Timor-Leste 6.9

Anguilla 6.8

Antigua and Barbuda 6.8

Lithuania 6.6

Uruguay 5.9

Philippines 5.4

Ukraine 5.2

Estonia 5.2

Cuba 5.0

Belarus 4.9

Thailand 4.8

Suriname 4.6

Laos 4.6

Georgia 4.3

Martinique 4.2

And ..........The United States 4.2

 

ALL (109) of the countries above America, HAVE 100% gun bans.

 

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list, because it has... NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

 

However, SWITZERLAND 'S law requires that  EVERYONE:

1. Own a gun.

2. Maintain Marksman qualifications ... regularly .
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 08, 2021, 09:29:36 pm
Good post iddee!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on April 08, 2021, 10:21:26 pm
I agree. This needs to be shared far and wide.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 09, 2021, 05:02:19 am
From the World Health Organization

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.

 

Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9

Jamaica 52.2

Venezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3

Malawi 36.0

Lesotho 35.2

Trinidad and Tobago 35.2

Colombia 33.4

South Africa 31.8

Congo 30.8

Central African Republic 29.3

Bahamas 27.4

Puerto Rico 26.2

Saint Lucia 25.2

Dominican Republic 25.0

Tanzania 24.5

Sudan 24.2

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9

Ethiopia 22.5

Guinea 22.5

Dominica 22.1

Burundi 21.7

Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7

Panama 21.6

Brazil 21.0

Equatorial Guinea 20.7

Guinea-Bissau 20.2

Kenya 20.1

Kyrgyzstan 20.1

Cameroon 19.7

Montserrat 19.7

Greenland 19.2

Angola 19.0

Guyana 18.6

Burkina Faso 18.0

Eritrea 17.8

Namibia 17.2

Rwanda 17.1

Mexico 16.9

Chad 15.8

Ghana 15.7

Ecuador 15.2

North Korea 15.2

Benin 15.1

Sierra Leone 14.9

Mauritania 14.7

Botswana 14.5

Zimbabwe 14.3

Gabon 13.8

Nicaragua 13.6

French Guiana 13.3

Papua New Guinea 13.0

Swaziland 12.9

Bermuda 12.3

Comoros 12.2

Nigeria 12.2

Cape Verde 11.6

Grenada 11.5

Paraguay 11.5

Barbados 11.3

Togo 10.9

Gambia 10.8

Peru 10.8

Myanmar 10.2

Russia 10.2

Liberia 10.1

Costa Rica 10.0

Nauru 9.8

Bolivia 8.9

Mozambique 8.8

Kazakhstan 8.8

Senegal 8.7

Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7

Mongolia 8.7

British Virgin Islands 8.6

Cayman Islands 8.4

Seychelles 8.3

Madagascar 8.1

Indonesia 8.1

Mali 8.0

Pakistan 7.8

Moldova 7.5

Kiribati 7.3

Guadeloupe 7.0

Haiti 6.9

Timor-Leste 6.9

Anguilla 6.8

Antigua and Barbuda 6.8

Lithuania 6.6

Uruguay 5.9

Philippines 5.4

Ukraine 5.2

Estonia 5.2

Cuba 5.0

Belarus 4.9

Thailand 4.8

Suriname 4.6

Laos 4.6

Georgia 4.3

Martinique 4.2

And ..........The United States 4.2

 

ALL (109) of the countries above America, HAVE 100% gun bans.

 

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list, because it has... NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

 

However, SWITZERLAND 'S law requires that  EVERYONE:

1. Own a gun.

2. Maintain Marksman qualifications ... regularly .

I suppose the title of the thread is "Big Lies" Please read below.

https://factcheck.afp.com/no-switzerland-does-not-give-every-citizen-gun

iddee and the NRA being disingenuous with the actuality.

cider
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 09, 2021, 05:22:39 am
Read your own link, after you read my post correctly.

"All Swiss men over the age of 18 undergo basic military training, after which they remain part of a national "militia" until they are around 30. They keep their unloaded service weapons at home during this time, and when their service has ended they have the choice of keeping their personal weapon, as long as they first acquire a permit. Women can also volunteer for national service.""

First, my post says everyone where it should say all men. VERY small discrepancy, since it is allowed for women also, on a voluntary basis. It doesn't say for all their life, but it is required for the years they are most capable of using it, and they are allowed to keep it for life. Overall, the results show it works well.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 09, 2021, 05:45:51 am
Read your own link, after you read my post correctly.

"All Swiss men over the age of 18 undergo basic military training, after which they remain part of a national "militia" until they are around 30. They keep their unloaded service weapons at home during this time, and when their service has ended they have the choice of keeping their personal weapon, as long as they first acquire a permit. Women can also volunteer for national service.""

First, my post says everyone where it should say all men. VERY small discrepancy, since it is allowed for women also, on a voluntary basis. It doesn't say for all their life, but it is required for the years they are most capable of using it, and they are allowed to keep it for life. Overall, the results show it works well.


Hum
Maybe it?s time for Cider to retreat for a spot of tea?  :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 09, 2021, 06:16:26 am
I see my long distance cousin has wisely taken my advice. He has retreated and now offline. Enjoy your tea old chap. But a little advise, don?t turn the heat up quite as high as Iddee was forced to do! Talk to you soon ole red coat friend.  :grin: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 09, 2021, 01:23:24 pm
None of the international debate matters.  In this country, it is the law that people be able to be armed.  When the guy who is sworn to uphold the constitution says that "No amendment is absolute" he is not doing what he has sworn to do.

If the people of the nation want to change the law, they can do so.  Given the number of new gun owners just over the last year, I'd say that the people are happy with a law that allows them to be armed if they choose to be armed.  5 million NEW gun owners in 2020.  How do we know this?  Because in spite of the lies of the left, people go through background checks to purchase a weapon. 

Not one of the things he has done or plans to do would stop any of the shootings.  What would?  Tossing people in jail and keeping them there, as most gun murders are done with handguns by known gang bangers and criminals.  Enforcing the laws already on the books for guns and other weapons crimes.

Here are the stats on murders by means.  You can see where they will go with this after their "assult weapons" ban, and other nutty things don't work. 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

This is from 2019 so it does not take into account some of the nasty stuff we saw by the "mostly peaceful" protests in 2020. Those things are the reason for the 5 million new gun owners.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 09, 2021, 02:19:18 pm
I see my long distance cousin has wisely taken my advice. He has retreated and now offline. Enjoy your tea old chap. But a little advise, don?t turn the heat up quite as high as Iddee was forced to do! Talk to you soon ole red coat friend.  :grin: :cheesy:
I was off-line because I had better things to do, ie, going for a walk with one of my daughters, much more interesting. :grin:
Cup of coffee at a cafe though.
Not everything revolves around 'threads' thank God!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 09, 2021, 02:26:41 pm
None of the international debate matters.  In this country, it is the law that people be able to be armed.  When the guy who is sworn to uphold the constitution says that "No amendment is absolute" he is not doing what he has sworn to do.

If the people of the nation want to change the law, they can do so.  Given the number of new gun owners just over the last year, I'd say that the people are happy with a law that allows them to be armed if they choose to be armed.  5 million NEW gun owners in 2020.  How do we know this?  Because in spite of the lies of the left, people go through background checks to purchase a weapon. 

Not one of the things he has done or plans to do would stop any of the shootings.  What would?  Tossing people in jail and keeping them there, as most gun murders are done with handguns by known gang bangers and criminals.  Enforcing the laws already on the books for guns and other weapons crimes.

Here are the stats on murders by means.  You can see where they will go with this after their "assult weapons" ban, and other nutty things don't work. 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

This is from 2019 so it does not take into account some of the nasty stuff we saw by the "mostly peaceful" protests in 2020. Those things are the reason for the 5 million new gun owners.
How do you explain Japans 0.2% or Germanys 0.9%? or is it just an inconvenience?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 09, 2021, 03:48:54 pm
How about "an exception to every rule?" Ever heard that. With 99+% one way, the other way shouldn't be followed 100%,IMHO.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 09, 2021, 05:59:51 pm
I see my long distance cousin has wisely taken my advice. He has retreated and now offline. Enjoy your tea old chap. But a little advise, don?t turn the heat up quite as high as Iddee was forced to do! Talk to you soon ole red coat friend.  :grin: :cheesy:
I was off-line because I had better things to do, ie, going for a walk with one of my daughters, much more interesting. :grin:
Cup of coffee at a cafe though.
Not everything revolves around 'threads' thank God!


Either way I am happy you took my advice and took a break.😬 Tea break is good, daughter break is better!! 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 09, 2021, 06:54:28 pm
Quote
How do you explain Japans 0.2% or Germanys 0.9%? or is it just an inconvenience?

Japan is an island with extremely strict import rules and enforcement.  Even so, criminals do manage to get guns and their gangs use guns. When Japan has mass attacks, they are pretty spectacular whether guns are used or not.
https://time.com/5630227/japan-history-mass-violence/

The overall murder rate in Germany is pretty low although they have been caught underreporting knife crimes.  I do wonder how that will change with the mass importation of foreigners. 
I don't know how the German legal system handles violent crime.  I do know that our violent crime had been going down steadily for a few decades until we decided not to enforce laws or toss people in jail.  We now have one of the highest violent crime rates we have had in decades. 
Per our earlier conversation...for both countries, The Borg comes to mind  :grin:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/200445/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-us-states/

When the stats are in for 2020 I think we will find we are back close to the rates of the later 70s.

The more we degrade society, the more crime.  That's simplistic but pretty much the broad answer.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 10, 2021, 03:37:26 pm
Read your own link, after you read my post correctly.

"All Swiss men over the age of 18 undergo basic military training, after which they remain part of a national "militia" until they are around 30. They keep their unloaded service weapons at home during this time, and when their service has ended they have the choice of keeping their personal weapon, as long as they first acquire a permit. Women can also volunteer for national service.""

First, my post says everyone where it should say all men. VERY small discrepancy, since it is allowed for women also, on a voluntary basis. It doesn't say for all their life, but it is required for the years they are most capable of using it, and they are allowed to keep it for life. Overall, the results show it works well.


Hum
Maybe it?s time for Cider to retreat for a spot of tea?  :wink:
They keep their rifles at home UNLOADED, the ammunition is kept at the local army camp. They can retain the weapon when they finish their reserve service and only after stringent checks and licensing something that seems to be sadly lacking in the US. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 10, 2021, 03:40:18 pm
How about "an exception to every rule?" Ever heard that. With 99+% one way, the other way shouldn't be followed 100%,IMHO.
Is this the ubiquitous get-out clause? :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 10, 2021, 04:37:10 pm
No, it's common sense. Something most are missing these days.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 10, 2021, 04:52:00 pm
Quote
They keep their rifles at home UNLOADED, the ammunition is kept at the local army camp. They can retain the weapon when they finish their reserve service and only after stringent checks and licensing something that seems to be sadly lacking in the US

A rifle without ammo is an expensive club.

Licensing is the first step to confiscation.  You should know that from your own country and others.

Our press likes to tell people that there are no background checks for weapons purchase, but they lie.  The gun show loophole is a lie.  Gun shows follow the laws of the state in which they are held.  It is true that some states do not require background checks for private sales.  That is the choice of the state.  Any licensed gun dealer does checks.  They are done through the FBI. 

There are some issues that should be addressed.  For instance, the kid who shot up the school in FL would have been denied a purchase if law enforcement in FL had done their job and arrested him for his numerous prior law-breaking incidents.  Why didn't they?  Because that county is run by leftists and they were trying the kinder, gentler, type of law enforcement.  The kid had no record even though he had menaced with a firearm before, so there was nothing to show up on the background check.

So yes, if you want to tighten things up, starting with enforcing current laws would be a good idea.

None of the crap being proposed would have stopped any of these shooters.  Most gun crimes are done by people who don't follow the law in the first place, so they are not going to go through a background check to get a gun.  They'll just buy one off the street that has been stolen and it will be a handgun, not a rifle. 

It's going to get worse, not better.  They are letting people out of jail at a rapid rate.  Not prosecuting violent crimes.  Not keeping those who need to be kept for mental health reasons.  That's why gun sales are up so much.  We are on our own until it gets as bad as it was in the 70s and the leftist elites start feeling the impact. 

You saw how quick they were to protect themselves in DC.  Let a few of them face muggings and break-ins and they'll start to get the picture...unless their armed guards protect them!

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 10, 2021, 10:19:16 pm
Thank you Kathy and Iddee, well said. Its good to see common sense reasoning still exist. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 11, 2021, 04:51:38 am
Quote
They keep their rifles at home UNLOADED, the ammunition is kept at the local army camp. They can retain the weapon when they finish their reserve service and only after stringent checks and licensing something that seems to be sadly lacking in the US

A rifle without ammo is an expensive club.

Licensing is the first step to confiscation.  You should know that from your own country and others.

Our press likes to tell people that there are no background checks for weapons purchase, but they lie.  The gun show loophole is a lie.  Gun shows follow the laws of the state in which they are held.  It is true that some states do not require background checks for private sales.  That is the choice of the state.  Any licensed gun dealer does checks.  They are done through the FBI. 

There are some issues that should be addressed.  For instance, the kid who shot up the school in FL would have been denied a purchase if law enforcement in FL had done their job and arrested him for his numerous prior law-breaking incidents.  Why didn't they?  Because that county is run by leftists and they were trying the kinder, gentler, type of law enforcement.  The kid had no record even though he had menaced with a firearm before, so there was nothing to show up on the background check.

So yes, if you want to tighten things up, starting with enforcing current laws would be a good idea.

None of the crap being proposed would have stopped any of these shooters.  Most gun crimes are done by people who don't follow the law in the first place, so they are not going to go through a background check to get a gun.  They'll just buy one off the street that has been stolen and it will be a handgun, not a rifle. 

It's going to get worse, not better.  They are letting people out of jail at a rapid rate.  Not prosecuting violent crimes.  Not keeping those who need to be kept for mental health reasons.  That's why gun sales are up so much.  We are on our own until it gets as bad as it was in the 70s and the leftist elites start feeling the impact. 

You saw how quick they were to protect themselves in DC.  Let a few of them face muggings and break-ins and they'll start to get the picture...unless their armed guards protect them!
What about all the 'Kit Guns' the ones without serial numbers it's a waste of time having background checks if you can just buy parts and aaemble your own.   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on April 11, 2021, 08:39:36 am
That's exactly why guns need to be legal. If guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns. Thanks for coming on to our side, cider.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 11, 2021, 12:13:44 pm
Quote
What about all the 'Kit Guns' the ones without serial numbers it's a waste of time having background checks if you can just buy parts and aaemble your own.

When I was wandering your museums I saw some that Brits had made.  They were pretty clever.  Who knew you could do that with rubber bands?   :grin:

this is another press hype and presidential pandering issue.  To properly build these weapons takes some skill and equipment.  There are people who invest in these things as they would invest in any hobby.
I have yet to hear of any crime committed with one of these weapons. 

Sounds good though, doesn't it?  "We'll outlaw ghost guns!!"  Oh, the scary ghost guns...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 14, 2021, 05:47:23 am
Quote
What about all the 'Kit Guns' the ones without serial numbers it's a waste of time having background checks if you can just buy parts and aaemble your own.

When I was wandering your museums I saw some that Brits had made.  They were pretty clever.  Who knew you could do that with rubber bands?   :grin:

this is another press hype and presidential pandering issue.  To properly build these weapons takes some skill and equipment.  There are people who invest in these things as they would invest in any hobby.
I have yet to hear of any crime committed with one of these weapons. 

Sounds good though, doesn't it?  "We'll outlaw ghost guns!!"  Oh, the scary ghost guns...

"this is another press hype and presidential pandering issue.  To properly build these weapons takes some skill and equipment.  There are people who invest in these things as they would invest in any hobby."

Just watched a video of someone assembling a look-a-like Glock it said all that was required was a Dremel, a few Swiss files, and a couple of screwdrivers. Mostly these are required to remove 'tabs' that are intentionally left in place to stop the 'slide' working so not exactly an onerous operation. And bingo you have an unmarked weapon (as long as you pay in cash!)   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 14, 2021, 08:29:04 am
Hey! F&R (the R stands for Racist)

Blah,... Blah,... Blah!

That's all you got.

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 14, 2021, 08:55:09 am
Quote
What about all the 'Kit Guns' the ones without serial numbers it's a waste of time having background checks if you can just buy parts and aaemble your own.

When I was wandering your museums I saw some that Brits had made.  They were pretty clever.  Who knew you could do that with rubber bands?   :grin:

this is another press hype and presidential pandering issue.  To properly build these weapons takes some skill and equipment.  There are people who invest in these things as they would invest in any hobby.
I have yet to hear of any crime committed with one of these weapons. 

Sounds good though, doesn't it?  "We'll outlaw ghost guns!!"  Oh, the scary ghost guns...

"this is another press hype and presidential pandering issue.  To properly build these weapons takes some skill and equipment.  There are people who invest in these things as they would invest in any hobby."

Just watched a video of someone assembling a look-a-like Glock it said all that was required was a Dremel, a few Swiss files, and a couple of screwdrivers. Mostly these are required to remove 'tabs' that are intentionally left in place to stop the 'slide' working so not exactly an onerous operation. And bingo you have an unmarked weapon (as long as you pay in cash!)   


Why didn?t you post the video?  Let?s see your source.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on April 14, 2021, 01:17:55 pm
Quote
What about all the 'Kit Guns' the ones without serial numbers it's a waste of time having background checks if you can just buy parts and aaemble your own.

When I was wandering your museums I saw some that Brits had made.  They were pretty clever.  Who knew you could do that with rubber bands?   :grin:

this is another press hype and presidential pandering issue.  To properly build these weapons takes some skill and equipment.  There are people who invest in these things as they would invest in any hobby.
I have yet to hear of any crime committed with one of these weapons. 

Sounds good though, doesn't it?  "We'll outlaw ghost guns!!"  Oh, the scary ghost guns...

"this is another press hype and presidential pandering issue.  To properly build these weapons takes some skill and equipment.  There are people who invest in these things as they would invest in any hobby."

Just watched a video of someone assembling a look-a-like Glock it said all that was required was a Dremel, a few Swiss files, and a couple of screwdrivers. Mostly these are required to remove 'tabs' that are intentionally left in place to stop the 'slide' working so not exactly an onerous operation. And bingo you have an unmarked weapon (as long as you pay in cash!)   


Why didn?t you post the video?  Let?s see your source.

https://reason.com/2018/05/31/how-to-legally-make-your-own-o/

PS; Is there something wrong with Salvo, is he getting a touch of the lurgi? Can you lend him some of your pills? :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 14, 2021, 03:07:05 pm
Quote
Just watched a video of someone assembling a look-a-like Glock it said all that was required was a Dremel, a few Swiss files, and a couple of screwdrivers. Mostly these are required to remove 'tabs' that are intentionally left in place to stop the 'slide' working so not exactly an onerous operation. And bingo you have an unmarked weapon (as long as you pay in cash!)   

You don't have to pay in cash.  It's legal.  It's also not cheap and while your video may have made it look easy, like any hobby, you have to learn to do it properly.  Unlike other hobbies, doing it improperly can have pretty dire consequences.
Again, why would a criminal do something expensive and time-consuming AND requiring some skill when they can buy a gun on the street faster and cheaper. 

Pass laws, or enforce laws, those impact criminals, not legal weapons owners and hobbyists. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 12, 2021, 08:55:40 am
Hi Folks,

Well,... back to reality.

Biden approval rating at 63% in new poll, buoyed by his handling of pandemic

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on May 12, 2021, 10:21:31 am
He hasn?t done anything. It was all setup before he got in office. The only thing that he has done is kill a lot of pipeline jobs and add lots of job killing regulations.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on May 12, 2021, 01:32:33 pm
.Biden approval rating at 63% in new poll, buoyed by his handling of pandemic

Sal

That definitely qualifies as a Big Lie
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 17, 2021, 04:08:25 pm
"The drivers need to drive the drive while driving the don't panic"
 brilliant  Joe Biden



Boy oh boy...  Mum
   

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 29, 2021, 01:40:57 pm
Hi Folks,

Should this go into a SICK JOKE section?

https://jewishjournal.com/news/337058/filmmaker-gets-portland-students-to-donate-to-fake-hamas-group/

BTW!!! Went early to a supermarket. SOOOOOO many smiling faces! Cold, pouring rain here. Almost everyone was smiling, having a good time, Happy Memorial Day. Shopper, in the rain, said Best hundred bucks I spent on food. Elderly cashier was telling everyone, Nice to see you!

BTW: Food IS getting expensive, n'est pas?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 29, 2021, 11:13:20 pm
Yes unseasonably cool! Thanks to "GLOBAL warming"? :shocked:. Two days until June!  More of, what Ronald Reagan might have describe as; demagoguery?   lol  :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 01, 2021, 09:04:12 am
Hi Folks,

Worlds biggest meat supplier JBS is hit by cyberattack that shuts down plants in Australia and Canada - just weeks after Colonial Pipeline operations were halted by Russian infrastructure hack.

Did any of you, for even a second, think the Colonial Pipeline computer hack was NOT Russians? That it was Someone among US?

I think the whackos are doing it. Just say NO to fossil fuels! Just say NO to meat!

It's Un-American.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 01, 2021, 10:40:09 am
BUT, BUT, BUT I like my meat fried in oil. It keeps my immune system strong. If you fry your possum in 90 weight gear oil and can keep it down, your immune system is nearly perfect.   :shocked:  :wink: :cheesy: :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 01, 2021, 12:51:05 pm
BUT, BUT, BUT I like my meat fried in oil. It keeps my immune system strong. If you fry your possum in 90 weight gear oil and can keep it down, your immune system is nearly perfect.   :shocked:  :wink: :cheesy: :cheesy:

Wow. Which brand do you recommend? Texaco, Sinclair, Shell or other? 😊😊😊
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 01, 2021, 02:26:45 pm
BP. They only sell oil in the US that was pumped from US wells.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 01, 2021, 02:30:00 pm
BP. They only sell oil in the US that was pumped from US wells.

Ah, top quality lol!  I do hope our friends realize we are just kidding....  Folks; never ingest fossil fuel products!  Remember the title of this heading!  Big Lies lol
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 01, 2021, 03:04:43 pm
Ben, do you not know aspirin and many other daily ingested products are made from petroleum. We ingest it all the time.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 01, 2021, 05:55:52 pm
Hi Folks,

YEAH! IT WAS US!

I'm wood-grilling a $24.00 per pound filet tonight. Scaroo them! (Salad for lunch,... with chicken).

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 01, 2021, 06:53:11 pm
8 seconds on one side, 6 on the other. Otherwise, you burn a good fillet.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 02, 2021, 10:16:36 am
Ben, do you not know aspirin and many other daily ingested products are made from petroleum. We ingest it all the time.

No, I did not know that. I learn something new here all the time. lol   :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on June 05, 2021, 03:01:03 pm
BP. They only sell oil in the US that was pumped from US wells.
Well, they are British Petroleum, Got to support the local colonists. otherwise, they may turn into terrorists.  Ops, sorry! 'freedom fighters' :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 05, 2021, 03:41:58 pm
""Ops, sorry! 'freedom fighters' ""

Neither. They may turn into tea partiers.  :cool: :cheesy:
 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on June 06, 2021, 05:51:20 am
""Ops, sorry! 'freedom fighters' ""

Neither. They may turn into tea partiers.  :cool: :cheesy:
Oh OK, then Tea Partiers/Terrorists/Freedom Fighters. Dog Catchers etc etc :cool:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 06, 2021, 06:43:27 am
OK. How about free men and women??   :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: cidersabuzzin on June 07, 2021, 02:41:47 pm
OK. How about free men and women??   :wink:
Don't you think (or maybe you don't) which men and woman you're talking about? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 07, 2021, 02:55:41 pm
Yes, I'm talking about the tea partiers and the men following them for over 200 years.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 13, 2021, 06:42:23 pm
Hi Folks,

Another one bites the dust!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9682513/Colleagues-pay-tribute-Christopher-Sign-45-year-old-TV-news-man-dies-suicide.html

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: iddee on June 13, 2021, 08:54:28 pm
Another Clintoncide. A popular cause of death these days. Nearly as bad as covid.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 22, 2021, 11:19:57 am
"BIG NEWS" or Big Lies?


https://youtu.be/bZ1B0Jyav5I
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 22, 2021, 11:29:08 am
Heard this the other day.  It was suggested that this person is the reason the MSM and pols changed from "bats did it" to 'it might have leaked from the lab". 

One other defector suggested that this was developed as a bioweapon which would go along with the earlier CCP published directive on Total Warfare.  Why not?  If you have a population of billions and you have demonstrated already that most are expendable,  playing with bioweapons in a populated area is an acceptable risk.  Even testing it on the population would be acceptable. Having done that, allowing sick people to travel the world would be the next step.  It's not like we have not gamed this in the past.  We always knew it was a possibility. 

And I don't remember who was involved in the earlier conversation, but I do remember that I said I'd admit my error and apologize if it seemed this had been manufactured rather than occurring naturally.  Looks like it's time for both and so I do  :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 22, 2021, 08:31:07 pm
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And I don't remember who was involved in the earlier conversation, but I do remember that I said I'd admit my error and apologize if it seemed this had been manufactured rather than occurring naturally.  Looks like it's time for both and so I do  :wink:

You are a classy lady Kathy!



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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 23, 2021, 11:24:51 am
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One other defector suggested that this was developed as a bioweapon which would go along with the earlier CCP published directive on Total Warfare.  Why not?  If you have a population of billions and you have demonstrated already that most are expendable,  playing with bioweapons in a populated area is an acceptable risk.  Even testing it on the population would be acceptable. Having done that, allowing sick people to travel the world would be the next step.  It's not like we have not gamed this in the past.  We always knew it was a possibility. 

Before all of this America was thriving as never before in my lifetime....  If this is all accurate, what was Chinas desired result? Destroy our economy? The world?s economy? I recall when this virus was first made known, videos were released from China. There would be clips of folks walking down the street, slow down and start shaking violently, kill over dead! This same type situation was shown in offices and hospitals there in China. I recall seeing one video where folks were exiting an elevator and the same thing, one person took a step forward and went into a violent shaking spree and killed over. I was thinking this stuff is deadly, I hope it does not come here!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on July 22, 2021, 07:49:33 am
Hi Folks,

WHY is it that THE VAST MAJORITY IS ALREADY VAXXED!!!???

Massachusetts update:

COVID-19 cluster in Provincetown that prompted officials there to issue an indoor mask-wearing advisory earlier this week has grown to 256 confirmed cases, a town official said.

On Monday, town officials said from July 1 through July 16, 132 positive COVID-19 cases had been identified, a ?vast majority? in fully vaccinated people. But as of Tuesday, the number of cases had nearly doubled, Town Manager Alex Morse wrote in a Facebook post. Officials are investigating the vaccination status of those who tested positive, he said.


Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on July 25, 2021, 04:40:34 pm
And now the FDA is pulling the test...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on August 02, 2021, 11:36:43 am
Is this 50 second information packed video a Big Lie or Big truth?

https://youtu.be/aDYkY1eQWfk
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 22, 2021, 05:33:27 pm
Hi Folks,

January 6, 2021, INSURECT.....

Oh! Never mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUbpTIMMk84

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 08, 2021, 05:30:43 pm
Hi Folks,

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 08, 2021, 06:52:39 pm
Hello Sal.
 :happy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 08, 2021, 09:15:38 pm
Hi Folks,

I wanted to comment on the political issue currently facing us known as *FOLLOW THE SCIENCE*.

However, the link that I intended had a word that sounded an awful lot like the word *beech*.

I opined that when I was a kid, that word could only be said in front of your father if you also used words like whelp or cur. I was actually chased from the barnyard when a sow or cow was getting serviced until I was about 7. I was given a swift kick in the farce if a mare was winking and I noticed. We said *cheese and rice*, *cod ham*; we would hold our tongues and say *molasses on the table* for a laugh. But we never swore in front of our parents. Hey! Remember when you'd get a scud in the lug for swearing? (Now you know from where the term scud missile comes)

I copied the Merriam Webster definition of the words *beech*, and as I wrote my post, that *beech* word came through as *bleep*. I've been reprimanded on this forum the past for using locker room talk, and I understood. Mea culpa. I didn't want to irritate my father again, so I refrained from posting. It's just that that *Hi Folks* slipped out.

Anyway,... are some words and phrases that were unfit for polite society in the past now accepted as a regular part of our normal everyday patouis?

I do think this forum is  wicked pissah
defined: The way a person in New England would describe something as being really awesome.
example: Game four was wicked pissah!

I would not have said that in front of my mother when I was a kid, but did you hear what those KIDS were chanting at those games over the weekend?

Would it be irresponsible for me to link a comedy video where a person says the word *beech* a few times?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 08, 2021, 09:45:27 pm
Sal the bylaws have not changed. Please abide.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 08, 2021, 11:28:15 pm
Hakuna matata, Ben.

Hakuna matata.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on September 09, 2021, 12:26:51 am
Hakuna matata, Ben.

Hakuna matata.

Sal

Luv ya Sal.....     :cheesy:

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on September 29, 2021, 05:43:38 am
Hi Folks,

I'm and old blanking man! Why do things like this keep me from sleeping?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-someone-lying-about-afghanistan-debacle

I'm tired.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 07, 2021, 11:22:50 pm
OOOPPS! Just a Meme:

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But part of a BIG LIE too!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 14, 2021, 11:39:00 am
Sal are you sure that is Bob? 😊





Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 14, 2021, 09:39:47 pm
WOW! The hits just keep on coming!

Please note the dates:

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 14, 2021, 09:40:55 pm
WHOOPS!

How does one get TWO memes in the same reply?

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 18, 2021, 12:21:27 pm
Is Judge Jeanene on target?


https://youtu.be/MMPRA_znhMA
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 18, 2021, 01:56:35 pm
Not sure it matters at this point.  JJ is correct in all that she posted and having some of the power players from the Obama admin certainly influences all that is done.  NP has a hand in it too, as does the "Squad".  + his wife is a nasty piece of work.

The earpiece bit is funny though.  I suspect that Obama made use of one often because he couldn't put a sentence together without the teleprompter, so his coherent off-the-cuff stuff was probably being fed to him. 

IDK.  We have what we have, but I am finding the buyers remorse kinda funny.   :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 19, 2021, 01:31:46 pm
Hi Folks,

Getting bad out there!

Woman, 94, Killed After Receiving COVID Jab
 March 11, 2021 

Story By: William McGee, Sub-Editor: Marija Stojkoska, Agency: Newsflash

A 94-year-old woman has died after being run over by her daughter?s car when they stopped beside the road to take some happy pictures to celebrate getting her COVID-19 jab.


SOOooooo. Did the jab kill her? She would still be alive if she had not gotten the jab.

Colin Powell got the jab. And now he's dead.

But I'm still here!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on October 19, 2021, 02:25:44 pm
Sal
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But I'm still here!
You are still here but you might be just selfish enough that at some point you might kill some one like colin powell if you get infected when you might not have with the shot and then you come in contact with some one with imune porblems due to being too young to take the shot or having immune problems due to some cancer/other like coling had.

I guess if you get infected and live through it you can be proud of yourself no matter who else might die.
Just a thought.  Yes, you might still get infected with a shot but so far it still seems that the shot protects many from even that.  Or you might kill them cause you end up taking space and rescources from some hospital that might have helped some one with a heart problem but was tied up with you.  I hope (with good will) that you suvive with out any of the above happening.  Kinda selfish to take the chance though when do have a choice to do better and I bet a car would not get you if you decided to be a bit more charitable.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 19, 2021, 04:01:52 pm
>You are still here but you might be just selfish enough that at some point you might kill some one like colin powell if you get infected when you might not have with the shot and then you come in contact with some one with imune porblems due to being too young to take the shot or having immune problems due to some cancer/other like coling had.

Some honest questions:
Isn't that why powell took the shots in the first place for self determined reasoning and 'protection' from the virus, making a personal decision for his 'personal' health? If so does that make him selfish for seeking protection from the 'virus' because he had immune problems?  Interesting..... Sadly and apparently it did powell not one bit of good.. That is sad....

On those lines, couldn't powell himself being vaccinated, just as easily infected someone else, and 'might have done so'?  Infected someone else such as Sal during his time of infection, or for that matter someone else who might have 'been vaccinated' as powell himself? Apparently if the vaccinated 'do', acquire the disease, surely they can spread it as quickly?

Or; can the vaccinated acquire it, get sick with it, die with it as powell, yet not spread it?
If yes; we should realize powell himself might have spread the disease to others, possibly unsuspecting family members? Isn't it reasonable to consider there is a good chance he might have contracted the disease from someone who might have been vaccinated as himself? But sadly, maybe from a well meaning 'vaccinated' family member ....


     
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 19, 2021, 04:43:25 pm
Hi Folks,

This shot is aimed at no one in particular.

THE SHOT, THE JAB, IS A SCAM!

You can still get Covid after the jab. You can still spread it after the jab. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

President Trump used the wisdom of the time when he said this Covid Flu would go away......

IT WILL GO AWAY!!!! It's just a matter of WHEN.

What is the most important aspect of a Rainmaker's profession? TIMING!

The jab is a scam. They're adding to the scam with boosters to BUY TIME until it goes away on its own, probably through mutation. When it DOES go away, as it eventually will, they will claim victory. SEE! WE DID IT!

They did nothing but buy time enough to ruin America.

My sister from Florida died three weeks after the jab, She had to get it to fly into Boston. She had cancer. What killed her?

My wife has MS. She gets a flu shot every year, including a few weeks ago. She, and many like her, have not yet needed to take the jab.

IT'S NOT SAFE FOR SOME PEOPLE! Heck. It's not safe for any person.

As for "protecting other people"... REALLY? Come on, REALLY?

I can imagine just how difficult it must be to those "BELEIVERS" out there to realize they've been duped. They're rigging the numbers, and we all know it.

This is all about submission,... and we all know it. BEND THE KNEE TO YOUR MASTER!

Just me, Sal here. Just LIVING THE DREAM, FOLKS. JUST LIVING THE DREAM!

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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on October 19, 2021, 04:55:41 pm
Ben
If you can not see the differrence in powell doing every thing scientificaly know to protect himself and every one else compared to taking a chance with yourself and every one you come in contact with and refusing the best science has to offer,  I can't help you. 

Powell did the best he could for his situation.  With help from others, it might have worked better.  Nothing is perfect but what you typed adds up to too bad for powell even though with a higher rate of vacination, he may not have been in that situation.  Then again he may have but had a better chance of not if more percentage wise around him had been vacinated.  The very fact of break though case points to the fact that there are cases that are not breakthough causeing zero spred in those case.  The higher of those cases the less virus period.  Twisting that fact so you can end up where your feelings take you (personal freedom?) does not change that fact.  A case where some doctor says the risk of vacination is to high, say for example a know alergy to stuff in the vacine would not be selfish.  Saying you can't boss me even if I may hurt some one else is the hight of selfishness.  In situations that you can only hurt yourself, say like a helmit law, I would agree with you but these situations are differrent.  These are more like, yes I have eboli but I should have the personal freedom to go in that theater and watch that show.
Just saying.
Cheers
gww

Sal
The real problem with what you say is that this scam (your postion)  Is in a billion arms and has proven to be low risk and you want to die on the hill against that?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 19, 2021, 05:34:56 pm


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Ben
If you can not see the differrence in powell doing every thing scientificaly know to protect himself and every one else compared to taking a chance with yourself and every one you come in contact with and refusing the best science has to offer,  I can't help you.

Powell did the best he could for his situation.

Did I say, suggest, signify, or even hint anything otherwise? Most all of my post was questions, legitimate questions. As usual, you ignored honest, legitimate questions not answering one, but instead proceeded with yet another attack stemming from 'parts unknown' .. Attempting lecture of points which, I can only guess coming from your off the wall imagination...  Apparently you did not comprehend the honest, easy to understand questions which I 'clearly' "asked".. If so, you clearly ignored and went into attack mode instead..... Nothing new. I do not know why I expected any different this time... But I confess, to my disappointment, I did.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on October 19, 2021, 07:23:34 pm
ben
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Isn't that why powell took the shots in the first place for self determined reasoning and 'protection' from the virus, making a personal decision for his 'personal' health? If so does that make him selfish for seeking protection from the 'virus' because he had immune problems?
You ask you question in a comparison fassion to my mentioning what would be selfish and I did answer honestly.  I see no comparison at all in the two situations and mentioned honestly my befuddlement that you could not see it for yourself before you ask.  I then pointed out honest things that i thought pertained so that you could clearly see my thoughts including the thought that the question was comparing things that were not comparable.

I do not know what you should expect of me except an effort to be clear and honest.  If it is dissapointing to you, I don't know what to say.  You dissapoint easily in discussions?

I guess my question to you is why would you ask if powell was selfish unless there was some point you were trying to make by asking that.  Either way, agenda or honest question cause you really could not see it, I did answer honestly my thoughts on it and that would not change with you giving me a little talk about how dissapointed you are.  I was not nessasarily trying to be mean about it but more clear about it so that the question ask was aswered.  We are all selfish and sometimes even if it means cutting our own nose off to spite our face.  I was just thinking that not cutting a nose off when it will help in no way and might help to take a better path.
Cheers
gww
Ps  Most of your questions seemed to be about break through cases but the facts are there are a bunch where there is no break through case due to getting the vaccine and such is why  it is called break though.  No way to say it is the same as an unprotected person in more cases then not.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 19, 2021, 09:02:35 pm
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You ask you question in a comparison fassion

I did not ask you 'a' question. I asked you questions 'plural'. You attacked; Then ducked and dived, side stepped, back stepped each question with smoke and mirrors, as usual....  Nothing new here... 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 19, 2021, 10:16:10 pm
Hi Folks,

There is no such thing as a "BREAKTHROUGH CASE". There is only a case. Do not just accept that you have some sort of immunity because you got the jab. YOU DON'T. IT'S PHONEY! IT'S AN EXPERIMENT IN CONTROL. DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT BRUCE JENNER IS A WOMAN? COME ON MAN! THEY'RE TRAINING YOU TO BELIEVE THINGS YOU KNOW ARE LIES!

The shortage of goods, the stranded cargo ships, the high inflation, all a sign of a good economy????? Who are you going to believe, Pete Buttiboy or your lying eyes?

How can you come back to reality after buying into all the bovine poo poo?

I don't fault the people who quietly trusted our government and got the jab. I DO rail against the zealots who, after getting the jab, go on and on about why I should, and what I am because I don't get the jab.

I know who you are and what you are. And so do you. You are a weak, unthinking person. You're more to be pitied than laughed at.

I want to believe there is more than just this awfulness around us. I want to believe there are smart people who will change things.

Sal



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on October 20, 2021, 01:05:36 am
ben
The answers to all your questions were touched on.  Perhaps you just did not see or get the anwsers you hoped for and it is not worth the effort for me to go though and paste your questions and then paste my parts to show how I adressed it.  It is there if you want to read it again.  It might take you a couple of times to put it in context.  Try try and try again and you might succeed.

Sal
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There is no such thing as a "BREAKTHROUGH CASE". There is only a case.
I know, everybody is a liar or gay but you, I get it.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 20, 2021, 01:46:41 am
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ben
The answers to all your questions were touched on.  Perhaps you just did not see or get the anwsers you hoped for and it is not worth the effort for me to go though and paste your questions and then paste my parts to show how I adressed it.  It is there if you want to read it again.  It might take you a couple of times to put it in context.  Try try and try again and you might succeed.

> it is not worth the effort for me to go though and paste your questions

No but you sure do not mind writing a book to dodge them.. I can easily suggest the same to you, by suggesting you once again read my 'easy' to understand, straightforward, 'uncomplicated' post of questions again 'Reply 707'; My very first reply to you, (Which I am sure you have read over and over, yet you continue to stonewall, dodge, duck, and sidestep, even now as you are demonstrating) 😊....  Hum///  I must admit, your continued running away from these questions is not a surprise, nor unexpected, which has consistently been revealed with your every reply.....

Whether one agrees with Sal or not. I see your response there as well...  Attack and Peck, then duck under the wing....

Gww, even though you may be misguided by the left, I am not your enemy though you seem to treat me like one.  May I suggest you chill out... you might feel better?

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on October 20, 2021, 03:29:59 am
ben
Making a point is not ducking or pecking, it is making a point just like you make your point. I did not say:  "I know who you are and what you are. And so do you. You are a weak, unthinking person.  You're more to be pitied than laughed at."  Which you did not call out as being something he might feel better with out.  I am not even saying you should call it out and I made the point I wanted to make.   

Just because I counter a postion does not make me either one of you guys enemy unless you want it that way.  I do tell poeple when I think they are missing the point or taking things out of context and get that back also.  I see you just ask questions and throw out you didn't answer any of my questions when I read that I covered it pretty well.  The you throw bomb of claiming unfairness but I still don't understand what I did not cover of what you ask about.

I am trying to point out that you might be misguided by the right.  That should make us friends as I am trying to help you, along with anyone else, interested in what we have to say.

I could have just typed out to your questions you made after posting something I wrote and said.

1.  Doesn't matter towards the point I was making.
2.  Doesn't matter towards the point I was making.
3.  Doesn't matter towards the point I was making.

Intead, I wrote something so you could see for your self how your questions did not pertain to what you highlighted from me.  However, my answer did cover the intent of your questions.

Add to the fact that you throw plenty of bombs yourself while claiming how right you were all along and you are nobodys enemy.  I can agree to that.  I like you when you try to help poeple with there beekeeping and not so much when you are political with an adgenda.  I don't take that away from you cause I believe every body has one vote and the right to promote others.  That is not a reason for me to dislike you,  I like you enough to try an argue you into a being more right then wrong. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on October 20, 2021, 07:00:56 am
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Add to the fact that you throw plenty of bombs yourself while claiming how right you were all along and you are nobodys enemy.  I can agree to that.  I like you when you try to help poeple with there beekeeping and not so much when you are political with an adgenda.  I don't take that away from you cause I believe every body has one vote and the right to promote others.  That is not a reason for me to dislike you,  I like you enough to try an argue you into a being more right then wrong.
Cheers
gww

Thanks for the kind words gww. I am not your enemy as I said earlier. I do enjoy debating politics with you and mean you no disrespect even when I do not agree with you. I am however, concerned about some of the content in your first paragraph. I have sent you a PM....

Kind regards,

Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 20, 2021, 12:31:21 pm
I think the Powell death shows something else.  It shows that the way we are counting covid deaths is whack.  He was old and he was sick.  Anything he got might have killed him.  He died with covid.  He died because of his underlying conditions.

If the samplings done by those few journalists left are accurate, we may be over-counting covid deaths by as much as 50%.  We have a lot of deaths.  It's highly infectious and so there are a large number of people who become very ill or die.  The vaccine breakthrough rate is high.  The death rate by sampling among those vaccinated and then infected is high.  That doesn't mean the vaccine is without use.  For many of us, it's a good idea and will do more good than possible harm.

The other interesting thing to put on your back burner of thought is that slippery slope example. 

We use the "greater good" argument to make kids get vaccines for school.  As one who is old enough to remember many of the diseases people now never see, there is a greater good argument to be made in that case.  We are now using the vaccine mandate for kids as a way to force vaccines on adults, again using the greater good argument. 

It is worth wondering what can't be put under that heading in the future.  If global warming is a threat, why can't we be forced to keep our homes at a certain temp, or drive only government-approved cars? 3 hours a day of electricity should be enough, don't you think?  What if they think we are using too much water?  A regulator would be an easy solution and free of charge, compliments of your government.  Food supply issues?  Ration coupons. 
The greater good argument is routinely made in this country to take property from people.  Homeless problem?  That 4 bedroom house you live in is too big for you now that your kids are gone.  We'll put you in a nice apartment and use your home to get people off the street.

Think about all the things that you never thought could happen, but have. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on October 20, 2021, 12:58:18 pm
Kathy
Many of the things you listed have happenned in other countrys by thier leaders and here though incentive.  Heck, I think in colorodo it might even be illegal to collect rain water. 

Everything is possible and many have been tried somewhere with not much new under the sun.  They tried to put water meters on our private wells but we got it recended but it is in effect somewhere in america I am sure cause most gov entities share cookie cutter things they want to do. 

I reconize the posibilities but do not live in fear of bad things I know may happen in a way that I can be minipulated by that fear for other things that might also hurt me.  Pick the fear that is going on now is my motto.   

I do know that no matter who has been in and even though the fear was spread, I still hunt deer with my fourty year old simi-auto.  Is it impossible this might change?  Nothing is impossible but I like to keep the fear based more on the odds and work from there. 
In a world of good and bad, theren is a lot of grey.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 20, 2021, 02:15:07 pm
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I reconize the posibilities but do not live in fear of bad things I know may happen in a way that I can be minipulated by that fear for other things that might also hurt me.  Pick the fear that is going on now is my motto.   

I am not suggesting that we live in fear.  I am suggesting that we think things through and recognize from history what is possible in the future.

Another current example that has nothing to do with a virus:  Abortion was illegal early in my life.  Birth control was unreliable and not always easy to get.  Women got pregnant under all kinds of circumstances and for many, too many kids was an issue.  When abortion was made legal, I agreed with the "safe, rare, and legal" argument even though the coathanger deaths bit was vastly overblown.  Most abortions were done by medical professionals making a bit illegally on the side...but that's another story.

I changed my mind over a few years of working in L&D and seeing that the advances of science changed the designation of viability.  I could not reconcile morally that yesterdays fetus was todays baby...BUT, it was not a hill for me to die on.
FF to today.  The push is for abortion to be legal any time up to birth.  That's not OK.  It shouldn't be OK for anyone to even think of.  No matter how you feel about abortion, the idea that you can kill a term baby just because it hasn't been pushed out yet, ought to make you sick and make you wonder about the people who push for this kind of thing.

We went from safe, rare, legal, which most people either agreed with or were willing to live with, to any time a woman changes her mind right up the first breath the baby takes.  Is it too much to anticipate post-birth abortions in the future?  It is not and it has been proposed and even apparently implemented in some countries.  Something wrong with the baby at birth?  Let it die so that it is not a burden on society.  The greater good.

People don't think.  They especially don't apply any lateral thinking skills.  If you dare do that, you are accused of fear mongering or called a nut case even though we have multitudes of examples of that slippery slope. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on October 20, 2021, 05:17:25 pm
Kathy
That is why there is a backlash about every eight years where america goes one way and then goes the other.  Just my opinion though.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on October 20, 2021, 05:46:15 pm
Kathy
That is why there is a backlash about every eight years where america goes one way and then goes the other.  Just my opinion though.
Cheers
gww
America hasn't changed the politicians have.  It use to be a death sentence for a politician to go against the American people.  Not anymore.  There is no separation of powers anymore.  It is all political.  What is real bad is judges for life.  We are toying with a civil war.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 21, 2021, 07:44:46 am
Hi Folks,

Like small pox to the Indians.

NIH: We Did Fund Gain-of-Function Research at Wuhan Lab, After All

Fauci, Collins Confirmed Liars

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/20/nih-contradicts-fauci-admits-funding-gain-of-function-research-at-wuhan-lab/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 21, 2021, 11:23:05 am
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America hasn't changed the politicians have.  It use to be a death sentence for a politician to go against the American people.  Not anymore.  There is no separation of powers anymore.  It is all political.  What is real bad is judges for life.  We are toying with a civil war.

 :shocked: I mostly agree with you!  Where I would disagree is with the first part.  America has changed.  Because it has changed we have people in office like AOC and the squad.  People who openly do go against America and the American people. 

You can argue or list the way that the people of America have changed.  That would be an interesting conversation for later.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 21, 2021, 11:33:30 am
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Like small pox to the Indians.

We actually inadvertently killed more with common things like colds (Coronaviruses ) and flu.  There is no documented case of Native Americans being intentionally infected with anything.  The closest we come is a recorded conversation in a fort manned by the Brits that was under siege from NAs about trying to infect them and make them sick enough to break the siege.  There was disease inside the fort and food was running out.
  As it turned out, the NAs asked for blankets and blankets and things were traded for food. 

To my knowledge, that is the only documented conversation about infecting Indians, and there is no documentation to show that they did or knew that the infection could be carried on the blankets.

Fauci is a piece of work.  Aside from his ego and desire to be on TV all the time, he has been the worst possible public face for info and one can only guess what kind of crap advice he gives those in power.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 22, 2021, 10:36:56 am
Hi Folks,

KP. Sorry about that "smallpox". Sister Francis Xavier told us that in sixth grade, along with the story of Father Isaac Jogues. Mea maxima culpa. Forgive the Sister. She knew not what she said. She had no google.

"It*s not a lie if you really believe it". George Costanza

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 22, 2021, 11:43:47 am
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KP. Sorry about that "smallpox". Sister Francis Xavier told us that in sixth grade, along with the story of Father Isaac Jogues.

Lol.  I remember being taught that too.  It was accepted as fact for decades and a large part of the evolving "evil European" bit.  There is no doubt that a lot of people died from diseases for which they had no immunity!  Kinda like everyone in the world and SARS-CoV-2  :wink: .
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 26, 2021, 01:44:47 pm
Hi Folks,

This is NOT A LIE!!!!!

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on October 26, 2021, 02:05:11 pm
I saw that too Sal. Who would vote for this craziness?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on October 26, 2021, 05:47:25 pm
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Who would vote for this craziness?

Especially given Mcauliffes history.  I am surprised that Hillary is not out there stumping for him.  They go way back.

Even if he wins, this should never have been a tight race in what is now a very blue state. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on October 30, 2021, 01:08:11 pm
Hi Folks!

Great News!!!!! No Covid at the G-20! No Masks!

Trains,... Boats,... Planes!!!! Climate change is ALSO GONE!!!

YAY!!!! Just look at the BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE! Awww. And a lot of them are OURS!

Well, I guess Covid and climate change, like TAXES,... are only for the little people.

Hi Ho. Hi Ho. It's off to work I go!

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 01, 2021, 10:04:19 am

Mum...




https://youtu.be/lbEEzowgYHU
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 02, 2021, 04:09:08 am
What do you know about this? Big Lies or Truth... What is the bottom line?

UPDATE: I see youtube took this video down.


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 02, 2021, 09:24:37 am
Ben,
That video is unavailable.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 02, 2021, 09:58:16 am
Ben,
That video is unavailable.
Jim Altmiller

It was available last night when I posted it Jim but I see youtube has taken it down. (nothing new)
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 04, 2021, 11:36:16 pm
Hi Folks, KP,

Bill Gates must Know Sister Francis Xavier..... Either that or HE READS THIS THREAD!!!

Bill Gates warns terrorists will try and use smallpox as a biological weapon as he bids for billions in funding to prevent future pandemics

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10166787/Bill-Gates-warns-smallpox-terror-attacks-bid-pandemic-prevention-funds.html

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 11, 2021, 01:21:59 pm
Big Lie or truth?

Very short video.


https://youtube.com/shorts/4MPiJ_407UA?feature=share
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 11, 2021, 03:49:40 pm
Ben,
Truth. I have found rocks that a magnet sticks to. More than plenty enough iron in it to make a dagger.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 11, 2021, 07:22:43 pm
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Bill Gates warns terrorists will try and use smallpox as a biological weapon as he bids for billions in funding to prevent future pandemics

Not a great bioweapon.  1/2 or better of the population is vaccinated.  We could quickly vaccinate everyone else if we needed to.  We can treat it better than back in the day when it killed people.  We have anti-virals that seem to work pretty well on smallpox.

If you wanted a good bioterror disease you'd want one that spreads quickly, has no treatment or prevention, and overwhelms the system...Hmmm...

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 11, 2021, 09:30:33 pm
Hi Folks,

Early on we discussed covid as a bio-weapon.

Today It was posited that covid was the manufactured crisis. The REAL bio-weapon is the VACCINE!

Remember that old Twilight Zone story:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=it%27s+a+cookbook&view=detail&mid=2339B39007F0386D9BB52339B39007F0386D9BB5&FORM=VIRE

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 14, 2021, 08:10:16 pm
A message from Mr Kennedy.....


https://twitter.com/i/status/1459563355803377667
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 14, 2021, 09:08:54 pm
eh...I don't necessarily disagree with him on this narrow bit.  The censorship on these sites has been broad and often wrong.  Just wish it was a different messenger as he is an anti-vaxxer nuter.  Or just a nutter
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 14, 2021, 09:14:50 pm
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Just wish it was a different messenger as he is an anti-vaxxer nuter.  Or just a nutter

Maybe so, I have not heard his views on 'The Vaccine'. Either I missed his statements on 'The Subject' which he is specifically discussing in this statement, or those statements have been censored. I would like to hear what he has to say about the situation: What sources have you, which proves him a nutter?




Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 15, 2021, 12:13:58 pm
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What sources have you, which proves him a nutter?

You can look up some of the stuff he says about vaccines.  He is to the anti-vaxxers what Fauci is to the "get your vaccines and boosters and triple mask, etc." for the rest of us. The other extreme.

I agree with him that important info has been kept from people by those who have no medical knowledge and worship at the feet of lord Fauci. Kennedy can be right on a few things and wrong on a lot of things, which makes him a poor messenger.

He's also a radical leftist and so class warfare is the first place he's going to go.  The warfare should be directed toward the policymakers in DC and in our states.  They are the ones who made decisions that caused the issues.  The billionaires are doing what people who have money always do.  They are making money in places that the average person can't.  They were doing it before the pandemic and they'll do it after.  This only matters to most of us if the economy is trashed by the decisions made by those we elected.  The money pot is not static, so economic growth is good for all, not just the rich. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 15, 2021, 02:53:32 pm
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The warfare should be directed toward the policymakers in DC and in our states.

True, however, he did ask and answer this very question of concern of policymakers at fifty seconds in; Though he did not name these government officials by name, he did name some private individuals. "And who is doing this censorship? Its government officials in league with"; He went on adding some business persons by name.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 15, 2021, 04:33:51 pm
Hi Folks,

I listened to this on the radio this morning,... yes, on the Glenn Beck (sp) show. This is just a copy/paste blurb.

It was pretty damning:

EXPOSED: Is Bill Gates trying to BURY his COVID pandemic decisions?
 
Bill Gates said during a recent interview something that surely would get Glenn banned by Big Tech if he uttered the same words: 'We didn't have vaccines to block transmissions?they only slightly reduce the transmissions. We need a new way to do the vaccine.' Investigative journalist Jordan Schachtel tells Glenn this is further proof that Bill Gates ? who was largely responsible for several COVID pandemic decisions ? is trying to bury the fact his choices didn't turn out as planned: 'He doesn't seem to care. He seems to be very, very cold about this whole issue. And he doesn't want to take responsibility for his failures.'

Please feel free to look it up.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 16, 2021, 07:15:34 am
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You can look up some of the stuff he says about vaccines.  He is to the anti-vaxxers what Fauci is to the "get your vaccines and boosters and triple mask, etc." for the rest of us. The other extreme.

The reply made in 741 was not intended to cause debate or controversy whether Mr Kennedy is a nutter or not. Nor was it intended to call him out as a radical leftist pointing to resorting to class warfare "is the first place he is going to go". 

The video clip was looked upon by my myself in reply 741, as I considered its contents upon the merits of the message itself and the words of his conversation of that particular message, and the viability of reason within those words throughout the message conveyed.  I was not attempting uplifting Mr Kennedy, nor was I intending to downcast, nor discredit him. I was Simply astonished at his words, the words of that particular video clip.
From my original post 741 and only the contents there in, I concluded the man is very brave and bold when bearing in mind his message of the short video clip, presented with with a strong voice of reason and intelligence. 



Though this spinoff is not a place I intended to go when posting the short video clip, I have went ahead and taken the liberty of your advice and looked up one of the first articles I came to reflecting his words of other conversations and other vaccines stating his view and concerns of 'ingredients' in 'some' of those vaccines.

This example of one of the first article I came to, dated July 18, 2014. Below are a few statements taken from that article, made by RKJ. Do these statements sound like those of an extreme radical leftist or nutter? 

Most likely you have sources to back you statements and views of Mr Kennedy being a nutter? To your credit, I have never know you to be in a position that you could not, so I expect no different this time lol.



Robert Kennedy Jr.?s belief in autism-vaccine connection, and its political peril
By Keith Kloor
July 18, 2014

"A mercury-containing preservative known as thimerosal, once used widely in childhood vaccines, is associated with an array of neurodevelopmental disorders, including autism, Kennedy told her, summarizing a body of scientific research he and a team of investigators had assembled. Thimerosal, which is an antifungal and antiseptic agent, was taken out of those vaccines in 2001, but it is still used in some flu vaccines."

"If it was dangerous enough to be removed from pediatric vaccines, Kennedy contended, why was it safe at all? What?s more, he said, the federal government knew of the dangers all along. These were claims he had made in the past, both publicly and in private conversations with other Democrats in Congress, none of whom have taken him seriously. "

Kennedy, fit at 60, insists he doesn't want to fan these fears. All six of his children "ages 13 to 29" have been fully vaccinated, he says. But he disputes the consensus opinion that trace amounts of thimerosal are no cause for concern. Some researchers are sympathetic to this view.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 16, 2021, 02:03:54 pm
I don't want to debate Kennedy.  He has a lot of old style dem positions that he expresses.  That's fine.  To bad there are not more like him when It comes to civil liberties.  I probably should have narrowed my nutter opinion to his vaccine nonsense that he has been spewing for years.  Well, that and the fact that he's a green nutter. 

My problem with him is specifically his position on vaccines.  He cherry-picks info and misleads people who are looking for accurate info. 

Thymerisol has been taken out of most child vaccines and some others, not because there was any harm proved, but because of the FDA floor that they set for exposure to methyl mercury.  In other words, they did it to keep from being sued later.  Thymerisol metabolizes into ethylmercury, among other things.  ethylmercury clears the system, while methyl mercury is cumulative in the system because it clears more slowly if at all.  We are exposed to methyl mercury environmentally and in food.  For some reason, the FDA didn't tell us to quit eating fish. 

Historically our exposure to Mercury was much higher and often intentional.  It was used in medicines, as medicine, in makeup, and in our thermometers.  if you are my age, you probably played with the stuff after a thermometer broke. 

He's old enough to know better.  He's older than I so he has seen the diseases. 





Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 18, 2021, 04:51:18 pm
Hi Folks,

THEN:
Bill Gates warns terrorists will try and use smallpox as a biological weapon as he bids for billions in funding to prevent future pandemics.

NOW:
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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 18, 2021, 07:58:12 pm
I don't have a problem with being prepared.  Drugs change and don't last on the shelf forever.  Most people know little about smallpox other than stories from history, so an outbreak would probably at least start a panic. 

I think I wrote before about what a bad bio weapon smallpox would be, but that doesn't mean no one would try it.  Let's hope they try something like that and not something we can't treat.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 19, 2021, 01:17:55 am
Mmm

https://youtube.com/shorts/NYQJ4_R8GzU?feature=share
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 20, 2021, 08:42:38 pm
Hi Folks,

WOWZA! And Thank Goodness!

Those smallpox vials at the CDC were MIS-LABELED!!!!! Do you believe this poo poo?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10223069/Smallpox-vials-Merck-lab-mislabeled-didnt-actually-contain-deadly-virus.html

Does the feces-head who did the mis-labeling still work at the CCD?????

What in HEY-OH are we supposed to believe any more?

Some jerk just made a mistake?..... WITH SMALLPOX?

What are those three big lies?

1: The check is in the mail.

2: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

3: Those CDC SMALLPOX vials are mis-labeled.

Notice! Lots of chatter about smallpox lately. What's really going on, I wonder?

Move along. Nothing to see here folks.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 20, 2021, 11:08:59 pm
Hi Folks,

WOWZA! And Thank Goodness!

Those smallpox vials at the CDC were MIS-LABELED!!!!! Do you believe this poo poo?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10223069/Smallpox-vials-Merck-lab-mislabeled-didnt-actually-contain-deadly-virus.html

Does the feces-head who did the mis-labeling still work at the CCD?????

What in HEY-OH are we supposed to believe any more?

Some jerk just made a mistake?..... WITH SMALLPOX?

What are those three big lies?

1: The check is in the mail.

2: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

3: Those CDC SMALLPOX vials are mis-labeled.

Notice! Lots of chatter about smallpox lately. What's really going on, I wonder?

Move along. Nothing to see here folks.

Sal

Hum
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 24, 2021, 09:29:50 am
Hi Folks,

High prices? High gas prices?

YAY! 50 MILLION BARRELS OF OIL REALEASED FROM STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE!

THAT'LL FIX IT!

Well,.... no...

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/biden-energy-granholm-us-oil-barrell-50-million

Does anyone here know exactly why we have a STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE?

Because we don't have solar powered jets yet.
Because we don't have solar powered battleships yet.
Because we don't have solar powered tanks yet.
Because we don't have solar powered military transport yet.
Because we don't have solar powered .......
Because CHINA.
Because RUSSIA.
Because LOTTSA STUFF.

Three days. Pal. Three days. Maybe a nickel.

How long do you think it will take Trump to fix this?

Sal


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on November 24, 2021, 09:50:01 am
Just shows how big of a joke this administration really is.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on November 24, 2021, 10:18:41 am
Sal
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How long do you think it will take Trump to fix this?
Probably about as long as it took him to fix 9 dollar 2x4s and 50 dollar plywood.  You guys memory is very selective.  At least most can get toilet paper now.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 24, 2021, 11:33:58 am
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Probably about as long as it took him to fix 9 dollar 2x4s and 50 dollar plywood.

Not sure that was something he set out to do.  He DID set out to make us less dependant on foreign oil and succeeded in making us energy independent.

What is becoming more and more interesting to me, looking back on the Trump presidency, is that he is probably one of the most successful presidents in doing what he set out to do.  This in spite of the lies of the dossier, Russian collusion stuff, and the soft coup attempts based on those lies.

It will take some time for people to realize this because there is still a lot of noise around his presidency, some of it of his own making, but like what he did or not, he did or attempted to do what he said he'd do.  He was also successful in doing things that other presidents promised but failed to do. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 24, 2021, 12:16:50 pm
Yes true Kathy. I was appreciative of the meetings he held almost daily. Taking on issues which were promised in his campaign, tackling these issues in a business like fashion. Very impressive to say the least. I also appreciated the transparency of allowing 'we the people' to sit in on many of these meetings which were not aired on the left wing news, (at least to my findings and disappointment), and for that matter, not covered by many of the right wing news outlets either. Again to my disappointment.

As I have said here before; One thing he did not accomplish was draining the swamp. Tis a pity.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 24, 2021, 12:41:35 pm
I doubt this will last long without being taken down?


https://youtube.com/shorts/Rq-8OK4wgaA?feature=share
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 24, 2021, 01:23:20 pm
Hi Folks,

Why is it that everything,... EVERYTHING this administration does DIMINISHES THE COUNTRY?

EVERYTHING!

Well,... everything except pardoning those two turkeys,... and I'm not so sure about that either. He should have put then into the supply line to lower the costs for Thanksgiving dinners.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on November 24, 2021, 04:25:25 pm
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One thing he did not accomplish was draining the swamp

That was the promise that did him it.  It was the one thing the left and intel agencies were willing to do anything to prevent.  I would say the intel agencies are the most to blame for all the lies and the leftists were the willing dupes.  It's also the reason they went after Flynn.

I don't think most people realize how incredibly dangerous and powerful they have become.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on November 25, 2021, 02:33:25 am
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I don't think most people realize how incredibly dangerous and powerful they have become.

Once again I agree with you Kathy. I have my doubts that even Mr Trump himself realized to what extent that power and danger was.???

Unless?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on November 26, 2021, 11:13:34 pm
BOHICA!

New covid variant on its way!

Nudge, nudge!  Wink. wink!

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on December 02, 2021, 06:17:13 am
       This is the biggest lie ever told.. Has been the same for centuries. I'm from the government and I'm here to help you.

       BEE HAPPY Jim 134  :smile:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 02, 2021, 10:42:30 pm
Hi Folks,

Got this from a friend tonight. It is from Franklin Graham.

The sad truth.

Time is like a river. You cannot touch the water twice, because the flow that has passed will never pass again. Franklin Graham was speaking at the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, when he said America will not come back. He wrote: * ?The American dream ended? the first term of Joe Biden has been the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest republic in the history of mankind.

A coalition of blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the ?forever needy,? the chronically unemployed that do not want to work, illegal aliens and other ?fellow travelers? have ended......... Norman Rockwell's America.

You will never again out-vote these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take zealots, not moderates and shy, not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs (Republicans In Name Only) to right this ship and restore our beloved country to its former status. 

People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will probably never again be able to legally comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned coalition which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired. 

The Cocker spaniel is off the front porch, the pit bull is in the back yard, the American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky?s ?Rules for Radicals? and the likes of Chicago shyster David Axelrod along with international socialist George Soros have been pulling the strings on their beige puppet and have brought us Act 2 of the New World Order. 

The curtain will come down but the damage has been done, the story has been told. 

Those who come after us will once again have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness.?

Got the guts to pass it on? You bet I do and just did?.

IN GOD WE TRUST


Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 02, 2021, 10:55:19 pm
Pretty soon this site will be the new home of the kkk or whatever they call them selves these days preaching white power.  Or maybe it already is.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 02, 2021, 11:21:09 pm
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Pretty soon this site will be the new home of the kkk or whatever they call them selves these days preaching white power

Can you share some examples of how you think that is happening?  Is it your position that a conservative POV is a white supremacist POV?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 03, 2021, 12:14:06 am
Kathy
The audience for the post is called out as good.
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white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest republic in the history of mankind.

And the rest as bad.

Where have I heard this before?
What pamphlets have I seen with the exact promotion?
The big question if you are honest, what pamphlets or rallies have you seen and who put them out?
Have you ever heard david duke talk since he was in the public eye during yours and my mid life.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 03, 2021, 01:43:41 am
Well here we go again.  Sal did not leave a link to back up his claim. I took a look at search before I jumped to conclusions on this, what appears to be bull? The VERY FIRST article that came up started with discrepancy and was from 2015 starting his speech off. I did not see where Mr Graham said the rest that was posted by Sal....  It seems 'it may be possible' some forces may have misrepresented Mr Graham to suit their own purpose and agenda and sal posted it. .... ???  While gww apparently used the opportunity as an excuse to accuse and mis-represent this site. As Skaggley says, you can not always believe what is posted on the internet.


Franklin Graham Speech Jacksonville Florida - Discovery ...
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Franklin Graham was speaking at the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida in January, 2015, when he said America will not come back. He wrote: "The American dream ended on November 6th, 2012 in Ohio. The second term of Barack Obama has been the final nail in the coffin.



Well Mr Graham was wrong. We had almost 4 years of prosperity when Mr Trump was in office. With as good a chance, and best opportunity for advancing for EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN that I have seen during any other time frame of my lifetime...
If what sal wrote was true it would stand to reason this would have been all over the news back then... Goodness.

Sal you was wrong for posting this hate bait bunkum. Gww you was wrong for falsely misrepresenting this site  > Pretty soon this site will be the new home of the kkk or whatever they call them selves these days preaching white power.  Or maybe it already is.
Cheers
gww<
And no gww, to be PERFECTLY CLEAR: This site will NOT BECOME   "the new home of the kkk or whatever they call them selves these days preaching white power", or 'black power either for that matter', NOT ON MY WATCH!

I have a good mind to ban you both!

Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 03, 2021, 09:16:42 am
Hi Folks,

Mea maxima culpa.

Yes. I now realize I did wrong for posting something I hadn't verified as truth or lies, especially attributing it to Franklin Graham.

I have no defense but that is a thread of "Big Lies".

Joke's on me.

Now I'll get heat for that Latin phrase, I bet.

Sometimes things,... even the truth, is best left unsaid.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: CoolBees on December 03, 2021, 12:38:51 pm
Good research & catch Phillip. I knew/remembered I'd seen it before - and that it was about Obama not Biden ... but I didn't bother to research past that.

With that said - I enjoy Sal's posts ... and the occasional banter that ensues. At least it was under the correct heading.  :shocked: :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 03, 2021, 03:37:16 pm
Hi Folks,

I hope we're all reading all of the posts, on all of the threads. See Australia? They're ALL related.

Just a few days ago:

DEATH 2 AMERICA

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Tell me! What's wrong with this picture?

Smoke em if ya got em folks. Won't be long now.

Sal




Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 03, 2021, 06:42:24 pm
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Where have I heard this before?
What pamphlets have I seen with the exact promotion?
The big question if you are honest, what pamphlets or rallies have you seen and who put them out?
Have you ever heard david duke talk since he was in the public eye during yours and my mid life.
Cheers
gww

I have not read or heard those things from anyone.  To be fair though, is it inaccurate?  I would take issue with this though:  A coalition of blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the ?forever needy,? the chronically unemployed that do not want to work, illegal aliens and other ?fellow travelers? have ended......... Norman Rockwell's America.

I know a lot of fine conservatives in all those groups.  It is the leftists, whatever group they claim, that have done the damage.

A country has to have a foundation that holds it together.  A country that embraces the diversity of race, religion, ethnicity, national origin, etc. must protect that foundation or descend into tribalism.  You can protect the foundation and still tolerate whatever people choose to do as long as they are not hurting others.  What we have confused is the difference between tolerance and acceptance. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 04, 2021, 12:10:02 am
Kathy
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  It is the leftists, whatever group they claim, that have done the damage.
Even though I know you are wrong on this.  :grin:  It is at least a position I can understand.  It would not matter what side you are on as for as liberal or conservative, there are usually some right and wrong in the gray of each position that they take.  There are no pure people on any side that make no mistakes.  Comes down to math on the positions of the whole parties with it being worth fighting the bad parts on all sides.  An example of such would be that I could say the republicans have taken more guns from people with the war on drugs then the democrats' have accomplished with asperation and you could say the democrats' have a bad asperation.  I can respect that kind of thinking but not that you are better then me by birth.  Which is not the position you seem to be putting forth.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 04, 2021, 03:01:42 am
>Yes. I now realize I did wrong for posting something I hadn't verified as truth or lies, especially attributing it to Franklin Graham.


Thanks Sal. I would hope that Franklin Graham would not have said the part that Kathy quoted while stating she would take issue.

So would I..

As gww said:
> "There are no pure people on any side that make no mistakes."

True.

> I have no defense but that is a thread of "Big Lies".

:grin:






Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 07, 2021, 05:36:18 pm
Hi Folks,

I don't want to get overly inciteful here, but references to kkk and Nasties seem to come very easily from many people.

I read things like this, and how am I supposed to respond? Who do I tell that I don't like it? I don't like a LOT of things that get said/written.

The Nuns told me, when I was young, that we in the USA WANT all this said out in the open. We want to know where the whack-a-doodles are. But so many of them have Phd's, they work in academia, media, the Arts. They Tell you how much smarter they are than you.

 White on White crime exceeds any other crime in this country. They are still the largest percentage of DEMONIC MONSTERS in this country. No group of people compares to the hatred, evil and demons more than white people. They carry their guns, Bibles, confederate flags and pray to God with hatred for everyone who is not like them. This woman does not know a statistic, nor does she understand statistical research. As a PhD and professor, I certainly do.

It's not racist. It's WHACK-A-DOODLE! The person who said this is a moonbat. If anyone wants the reference, I'll provide it, but it's easy to find

BTW: Please, no more fake offence and kkk accusations.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 07, 2021, 05:53:27 pm
Sal
You are the one that said my bad, what, you really didn't mean it?  Now whine about it but still want to do what you want to do?  Lots of moon bat around for those to post who just want to keep the feelings such things raised to the forefront so the tension can stay close to the surface.  You posting the opposite crap so you can justify the first crap?  That just means you post more crap. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 07, 2021, 08:01:11 pm
Hi Folks,

GSW,

Nah! Nevermind.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 07, 2021, 08:05:10 pm
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I can respect that kind of thinking but not that you are better then me by birth.  Which is not the position you seem to be putting forth.

how or what we are born is out of our hands.  It's what we do after that counts.   :wink:

When it comes to the destruction of norms, I use the term leftist.  Society can take some changes to its foundation, and it can take many changes if they are done with respect and over time.  When we make changes, there are ways to do them so that people come to accept those changes.  They need to be done legally. 

If society tries to make rapid changes, does not use the law, and forces people to accept what they are not ready to accept, there is conflict.  Sometimes, although rarely, that conflict is worth it.

Foundations are not the same from one society or epoch to another.  What is universally true is that when society succeeds in destroying its foundation, it fails.  We don't know the tipping point.  How much can we change before we fail?  How quickly can we make incremental changes without failing?

When we evaluate our own society we need to ask some questions.  What holds our society together?  What have we done right and what have we done wrong?  How have we successfully made changes in the past?  What proposed changes actually make things better, or are they just pandering because of the current wishes of fringe groups? Do we understand the difference between tolerance and acceptance, especially when it comes to making changes?

Before answering the other questions, the first must be answered and analyzed.

Do we understand that it is not the courts that make law, but the legislatures?  Abortion, as an example, can be addressed by Congress, but they are cowards and don't want to touch it.  Mariage can be addressed either by federal law or by constitutional amendment, but it should not have been addressed by the courts either in the past or now. 

That's why I say that leftists, like The Squad, are a danger and will destroy this country.  They have no respect for the law or for differing opinions.  They want what they want and how they get it does not matter.  Those in DC who have weaponized our federal law enforcement and agencies like the IRS, are a danger to us all. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 07, 2021, 09:03:07 pm
Kathy
What I find to be most of the truth is that when things go one way for a while, somebody comes up with a solution to tackle what they see as wrong and most of society is happy for a while until new flaws are found when the way it was tackled starts hurting in other ways and so adjustment is made again with the same cycle happening again.  A good example would be the crime bill of the nineties.  Crime was up and so they stiffened sentencing.  Then a little later sentencing too harshly for all crime committed big or small eventually touches enough people that a change is wanted and then crime goes up.  What people search for is justice but that is easier said then done and we all may not have the exact same view in all cases of what justice is.

Half the time people think they want something but as you indicate, the only real way to know what that is is after it has happened and then looking back on it and assessing it.

Many times one bad part is picked and rather then adjust the bad out and keep the good, there is a tendency to throw the baby out with the bath water.

My tendency is to look at the cycle we are in and see which way it needs adjustment and so far history seem to prove out that most people do this and that is why during our history as a country we have wavered back and forth every eight years or so.  We make up our mind until we change our mind.
Cheers
gww

 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 07, 2021, 09:29:04 pm
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My tendency is to look at the cycle we are in and see which way it needs adjustment and so far history seem to prove out that most people do this and that is why during our history as a country we have wavered back and forth every eight years or so.  We make up our mind until we change our mind.

I don't disagree with this, but we have to also acknowledge the agenda people.  Most of America does not want agenda.  They want peace and prosperity.  Most of DC wants agenda at the expense of all, including peace and prosperity.  The wishes of the people are less and less important to those who make the rules and we have allowed them so much power that we can't do anything about it.  It's not the people we elect.  It's the power given to the unelected by the elected that is the danger.

My sister lives in England.  She made the comment the other day that they currently have more freedoms in England than we do here.  She is not wrong.  We have more guaranteed freedoms, but we ignore the guarantee and there is no enforcement for it.  The Constitution is a pact with the people that the government will not overstep, but if the government oversteps, who/what will stop them?

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 07, 2021, 09:55:48 pm
Kathy
Heck, I only spent about 8 years out side of MO and I always come back.  I might fight things while here but apparently like living here better then anywhere it the world.  I understand your point but also understand that even churches, unions and big businesses all have their little departments to do the specialized work of their governments/organizations.  When it goes too far, politicians run on fixing it hoping to get votes.  I dislike lots of things and probably lose more then win on those things but every once in a while everybody sides with my view and things get done.  Of course it always comes back to have to be fought again but I can not help but think this is just the nature of the beast and unchanging. 
I do not always know the things that are worst but when I feel I do, I gripe and try and get others to gripe. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 08, 2021, 12:18:37 pm
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I understand your point but also understand that even churches, unions and big businesses all have their little departments to do the specialized work of their governments/organizations.  When it goes too far, politicians run on fixing it hoping to get votes.

gww
What is it that Biden ran on fixing?






Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 08, 2021, 01:27:47 pm
Ben
The nation having to put up with trump.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 08, 2021, 01:36:02 pm
Ben
The nation having to put up with trump.
Cheers
gww

Which policies of 'Trump' and his administration did you disagree with, which convinced you he was not worth putting up with?




Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 08, 2021, 04:17:09 pm
Ben
Trumps disrespect for the checks and balances of the constitution and the law and willingness to use his office to gain personal business.
However, he is gone now and so I don't need to list all the things I would have voted against him on besides the fact that he was a bully and consummate liar.  I do think it would be a waste of typing about what I no longer have to worry about cause he is gone.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 08, 2021, 04:31:26 pm
Hi Folks,

GWW,

Nah! Never mind.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 08, 2021, 04:50:38 pm
Ben
Trumps disrespect for the checks and balances of the constitution and the law and willingness to use his office to gain personal business.
However, he is gone now and so I don't need to list all the things I would have voted against him on besides the fact that he was a bully and consummate liar.  I do think it would be a waste of typing about what I no longer have to worry about cause he is gone.
Cheers
gww

I responded to your direct reasoning, on your train of thought, asking reasonable questions, (only two so far). Reminding you; It was you who brought his name up, not me. Do you think my questions were unreasonable? (now three questions :-)  )


>gww what is it that Biden ran on fixing?

It was YOU replied with Trump, not me.

 
So back to the original question. What is it that Biden ran on fixing?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 08, 2021, 07:30:06 pm
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Trumps disrespect for the checks and balances of the constitution and the law and willingness to use his office to gain personal business.
However, he is gone now and so I don't need to list all the things I would have voted against him on besides the fact that he was a bully and consummate liar.  I do think it would be a waste of typing about what I no longer have to worry about cause he is gone.

This is amusing considering what we now have in the office.   :cheesy: 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 08, 2021, 08:39:52 pm
Ben
You have a short memory or did not pay attention in real time.
Your question.
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What is it that Biden ran on fixing?
Bidens announcement speech on his intent to run was because of Charlottesville and that we needed a normal president to bring honor back to the office from what trump was doing while there.
My answer to your first question.
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The nation having to put up with trump.
It was what biden picked and announced with his own mouth and 80 million people agreed with.

Your last post
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So back to the original question. What is it that Biden ran on fixing?
And now I have answered twice.  That should be enough.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 08, 2021, 11:15:48 pm
>?I do not always know the things that are worst

 Do you and Biden not think that the courts handled the tragic event of Charlottesville well? See reference at the bottom.

>"I gripe and try and get others to gripe."

It would help immensely, and add to you 'grips' creditably, maybe even gaining sympathy and support, if your grip was based on good solid reasoning and facts.

>"Ben
You have a short memory or did not pay attention in real time." "Bidens announcement speech on his intent to run was because of Charlottesville and that we needed a normal president to bring honor back to the office from what trump was doing while there.

For instance:  Charlottesville was a direct results of hate bating spewed by the news media of the left in attempt to tie the  Trump Administration in with it just like they have tried to tie up every tragedy, even if they have to fibercate lies to degrade that Administration. 'since you can't seem to resist bringing his name up, I did as well so don't holler foul this time'. Your side Hollywood,News Media, Politicians, etc. 'Hate bated' the whole time of the previous administration. One proven false accusation after another. And still are  ?.

You gww should know good and well that Nazis are enemies of America. Both Democrats and Republicans. Our country UNITED went to war to fight Naziism.  Democrats and Republicans, yes we AMERICANS united in that cause. In fact it will be 80 years, (three days from now), since Nazis declared war on America, My America and Your America. December 11, 1941 to be exact. Their may be someone in this debate with a short memory but it isn't me.

If Charlotesville was the reason for Biden running, and 80 million people voting for him. You have been deceived. Bidens' party, your party, is said is quoted as had being the party of the kkk that you 'claim' to be against. And may very well still be since you elected Biden?

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References:
The Democrats were the Party of the Ku Klux Klan and ...
Search domain factmyth.comfactmyth.com ? factoids ? the-democrats-were-the-party-of-the-ku-klux-klan-and-slavery
The Democrat party had as its Senate MAJORITY LEADER a former KKK Democrat by the name of Robert Byrd, who was the Grand Kleagle of one of the factions of the KKK down in W. Virginia.

Allow me refresh your short memory of Charlottesville by quoting Wikipedia

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Wikipedia
The Charlottesville car attack was a white supremacist terrorist attack[10] perpetrated on August 12, 2017, when James Alex Fields, Jr. deliberately drove his car into a crowd of people peacefully protesting the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing one person and injuring 35.[4][11] 20-year-old Fields had previously espoused neo-Nazi and white supremacist beliefs,[7] and drove from Ohio to attend the rally.[12] He was convicted in a state court for the first-degree murder of 32-year-old Heather Heyer, eight counts of malicious wounding, and hit and run, and was sentenced to life in prison plus an additional 419 years in July 2019.[13] He also pled guilty to 29 of 30 federal hate crime charges to avoid the death penalty, which resulted in another life sentence handed down in June 2019.


Just like his campaign was if that is what he campaigned on. I don't recall Biden coming out in the public for speeches except for a few times and they were disasters. Hardly any crowds cared enough to come out and support him.
 

>And now I have answered twice.  That should be enough.
Cheers
gww

I had asked twice. "What is it that Biden ran on fixing?" You have not come up with a good answer yet, and I rather doubt you can. I do not intend to ask again just to receive more demagoguery. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 09, 2021, 12:24:09 am
Ben
I answered the question you ask.  Biden used something that trump was saying and being pressed on on tape and doubling down on.  Just like in the debate when he told proud boys to stand back and stand by.  Nobody made him say anything, he did it on his own and the whole world knows it. 

All the talk about the old southern democrat's even when true does not change what trump did.  The media covering it did not make trump say such things.  He chose to.  It was bidens stated reason for getting into the race.  80 million voted for him. 

You were the one that seemed from my reading of what you wrote to be whining that I did not answer your question when I felt I very clearly had.  I did explain that there was no reason for me to go through all the reason I would vote against trump cause he is gone and now we can worry about todays policies and not yesterdays except to remind people of  them if and when trump might want to lose again by trying to run again.

All the other stuff you quoted saying I have a short memory on has no bearing at all on my answer to you.  Why would you think I would not know someone is convicted?  That's just silly. 

You say I should know nazis are the enemy of america.  Where does that come from?  I am not justifying trump not saying that or things like that.  I am not deciding if groups that spout such things also support trump or wear such shirts with such stuff on them while invading the capitol in support of trump.
I just mentioned that when I have a gripe I will go for support.  That isn't my gripe now cause trump is gone. 
I answered the question you ask very plainly and when I have other gripes that I try to get support for, I will let you know on my time table and then you will decide for yourself.

If you ask a question and then refuse to acknowledge it was really answered honestly and to the point, I am not sure I could type enough for you to understand.  If you are saying that you think that answer was not enough for you to end up in the same place as 80 million did.  That is a real discussion that I would still decide on if it was worth it to go further but at least you would not be pretending that your questions are being avoided with answers given when that is not fact.
Cheers
gww
Ps It would be a waste of time for me to list all the executive orders and such that have been signed since trump left office and I do not feel the responsibility to spend all my time when all have been reported on and you can tell others of the ones you don't like.  Maybe that is what you are looking for from me but that was not the question you ask and I would not feel it worth it to rehash all the need of then now that bunches have been taken care of and are history now.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 09, 2021, 12:30:21 am
Gww I realize it is hard to accept the real situation as it really is. That is understandable. I will leave you with the following video. If this does not wake you up and open your eyes, I do not know what will . Bidens' praise for the accused clan leader. Actually their praise for one another...

Sorry this was left to me to do this gww.


https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4923110/user-clip-biden-praising-exalted-cyclops-kkk-robert-c-byrd


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 09, 2021, 12:44:26 am
gww, I made an error, in attempt to quote you I accidentally hit the modify button. The quote button and the modify buttons are side by side on the moderator platform. I sincerely apologize. I would not have that happen for nothing. Please edit and replace what you had written here. Again my apology,.
 
Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 09, 2021, 01:18:21 am
>Ben
It is all otherism.  There are two ways to look at it, some use bad from the past to justify doing more bad today.  Some improve from bad in the past.  SOoo, double down or try to improve.  There were only two poeple in the race for 154 million to vote for and 80 million made the decision. What did they see that you cannot? 
Cheers
gww

Well gww, The real question should be what did the rest of see that your side did not see. I will take a shot at it..
I guess it may be true what is said about 'blind hate'....  Even you can't deny if you sit down and think about it. Their was SO much hate generated and spewed at Trump from the leaders of the left, that the unsuspecting everyday democrat could not see the forrest for the trees. All they heard was hate hate hate. I suppose they did not care enough to dig a litter deeper to get a fair balance and decipher the truth for themselves. They just went along with the hate of the left.

In other words accusing Trump of being what Biden really was, and Trump was not, a racist supporter.  SEE VIDEO ABOVE  The left fed hate for Trump night and day and day and night until the followers swallowed it hook line and sinker, all the while putting in the very type person that Trump was not, and Biden is, a racist supporter... They slipped a mickey on you, the entire 80 million. So much so that the unsuspecting everyday democratic citizen did not see then, and apparently can not see now, even if they look at energy, weapons left behind, enough to stock Russia!, The border, China vs Taiwan, the Middle East, ships waiting to be unloaded, an on and on I can go. All in just a few short months. I say the Biden team is doing a poor job or may not even know what they are doing totally incompetent...
Well as you said earlier, its over now. Biden got the 80 million votes.... I just hope Old Glory can withstand the damage that is being done.....
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 09, 2021, 08:43:44 am
Hi Folks,
Day after
WOW! Charlottesville: One dead, 35 injured. BY A SELF AVOWED RACIST.

Day after  Day after Day after Day after Day after Day.

On and On and On and On and On.

WE NEED TO GET RID OF TRUMP.

AND THEN CAME BIDEN!

Waukeshaw: Six dead, 60 injured. BY A SELF AVOWED RACIST.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS. Where is the outrage?

This "Fun Fact" sourced from UNBELEIVABLE FACTS!

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 09, 2021, 11:10:27 am
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Biden used something that trump was saying and being pressed on on tape and doubling down on.  Just like in the debate when he told proud boys to stand back and stand by.  Nobody made him say anything, he did it on his own and the whole world knows it.

This is the kind of thinking that lets us know what kind of "sources" you use and that you do not do any research.  And I am not going to rehash this, but I do wish that all people would check facts before buying this kind of stuff.

What Trump said, in context, is available online. In fact, I am pretty sure I posted it before.
 The Proud Boy thing was manufactured by the press as meaning something when it did not.  No one could show that it did or that it referenced anything. 

A large part of what passes as press to this day is screaming RACIST or DOG WHISTLE about everything they do not agree with and unfortunately, a lot of people seem happy to swallow that without thinking.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 09, 2021, 11:57:28 am
Ben and kathy
It is easy to say the other side is dumb and is done by both sides.  You didn't research can be thrown around.  I could have pointed out that 2 days after congress voted down money for a wall trump declarers an emergency and take money from the military and checks and balances surly are not working by the constitution in this case or that he promised remove and replace Obama care but never got to the replace with the added thing that state senators followed his lead and said they would protect pre-existing conditions while at the same time running a suit to destroy it. I could point out hundreds of other things.  However, that would be writing a book on a question that was simple to answer. 

It was bidens stated reason for getting into the race and that was the answer to bens question though freeing the country of trump did encompass peoples view of trump on it all.  It is no more simple or unresearched then people on your side getting mad cause big bird promotes vaccines.  That is politics and I am sure some vote on the one thing that triggers them at the time on both sides but believe that getting enough votes to win encompasses the bigger picture as I think most times I have a little more faith in the american people looking hard enough and researching enough to have deeper feelings than on just one thing.  They may push and use one thing as their excuse but it is then just an excuse they can use to do what they wanted to do anyway and is easier excuse to put out then trying to go into it all every time.  Just cause trump was a dumb butt and made it easy for them to use simple things does not mean they did not know everything that bugged them about him. 

It was that way at work in our local politics and is that way in national politics. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 09, 2021, 12:10:30 pm
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Their was SO much hate generated and spewed at Trump from the leaders of the left, that the unsuspecting everyday democrat could not see the forrest for the trees.

This is another one of those things that needs a deeper look.  From the day Trump said he was running the lies started.  From the day he took office, people started talking about impeachment.  Why? is the question that needs to be asked because there was never anything underlying it.  As you point out, all that people were told to believe about Trump applies in spades to Biden, but no one is fussed about Biden.   

One of the first stories was the Russia hoax.  It was a hoax.  It started with the Hillary camp and that is no surprise.  The Birther thing started in her camp also.  What is surprising is that it went into the intel community and was pushed by them even after they knew it was a lie.  Some of them are going to jail for that now and more should.  At the same time, the intel community went after Flynn.

It all goes back to Trump promising to "drain the (intel) swamp" and Flynn trying to do that under Obama and getting fired for it.  This is one of the main reasons Trump wanted Flynn on his team.  They both recognized what the FBI and other alphabet agencies had become.

You can go off a cliff on conspiracy theories, but in this case, there's evidence both in the lies told by the FBI, the lies of Brennan and Clapper, and what we now know about the dossier and the people behind it. 
What is sad is that this info started coming out earlier and not just from conservative journalists.  There are a few left-wing journalists out there who still do honest work.  People only had to do a bit of research and ask a few questions to get info.

What do we have now?  Forget senility.  Biden has given Russia what they wanted.  His son is implicated in all kinds of international schemes to make money, lie about it, and there are indications that Biden has directly benefited. 
He has taken us backward in our ability to be energy independent so we now beg OPEC to drill more for us. 
He has asked Congress to spend TRILLIONS and it has caused inflation.  He has appointed people who can't do their job (transportation).

I could go on and on I guess but if someone can give me some examples of what Biden has done well, I'd be happy to read.  Like Trump or not, he set out some goals and accomplished a good many of them. We were involved in 0 new conflicts and drawing down in the old ones. We had, until COVID, the best economy in decades.  We had the best economic conditions for minorities in decades. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 09, 2021, 12:15:20 pm
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It is easy to say the other side is dumb and is done by both sides.  You didn't research can be thrown around.  I could have pointed out that 2 days after congress voted down money for a wall trump declarers an emergency and take money from the military and checks and balances surly are not working by the constitution in this case or that he promised remove and replace Obama care but never got to the replace with the added thing that state senators followed his lead and said they would protect pre-existing conditions while at the same time running a suit to destroy it. I could point out hundreds of other things.  However, that would be writing a book on a question that was simple to answer.

Both those things were handled by congress and the courts.  The SCOTUS allowed the money for the wall and congress chose not to kill Obamacare.  The courts said that congress passed it and so only congress could kill it.  Yes...research.
And given what is happening at the border right now, he was on to something with that whole emergency thing!

One thing is sure, there is a lot of buyers remorse out there right now over the Biden election.  The next election should be interesting!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 09, 2021, 02:58:52 pm
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Ben and kathy
It is easy to say the other side is dumb and is done by both sides.

gww To be clear, I would use  the word deceived, A big difference is the meaning of the word dumb and deceived. That word dumb would have changed the whole intent of my post and my meaning, actually I think I used the words slipped a mickey.... The word dumb was not even considered...





Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 09, 2021, 10:16:44 pm
Hi Folks,

And now for something completely different...

"What happened today to @JussieSmollett must never be tolerated in this country," President Joe Biden, tweeted in January of 2019 when he was mulling a presidential run, "We must stand up and demand that we no longer give this hate safe harbor; that homophobia and racism have no place on our streets or in our hearts. We are with you, Jussie." Joe Biden January 29, 2019

Juicy Smallit is one of the kindest, most gentle human beings I know. I?m praying for his quick recovery.
This was an attempted modern-day lynching. No one should have to fear for their life because of their sexuality or color of their skin. We must confront this hate. Karmella Harass January 29, 2019

Well, unhh, Not so much.

Can you say "[INSERT YOUR WORD HERE]"? IMPEACH THEM! GET THEM OUT OF OFFICE!

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 10, 2021, 07:21:29 pm
Hi Folks,

I don't live under a rock, though many people would like me to. I listen to PBS. I listen to conservative radio.

I listened to much of this. It's nice to know there are varied opinions out there. I can't attest that everything here is appropriate for young children, but I didn't see nor hear anything offensive.

GWW! This one's for you. I enjoy knowing you're upset.

https://rumble.com/vqirfr-january-6th-everything-they-told-you-is-a-lie.html?fbclid=IwAR3jsdzuq_5cVtyy9_wIB9J8IuH96KwE7capWSBpareeX3MAknSAbyk45bs

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 10, 2021, 08:13:52 pm
Sal
You might be surprised if you really could read minds.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 10, 2021, 10:17:30 pm
He might be surprised but not me... gww don't let the cat out of the bag just yet of your positive right wing thinking, you are a good debating partner! That would leave it to Ace to 'barter opposing ideas' with.  :grin:  :wink:

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 10, 2021, 10:57:49 pm
Hi GWW,

I could be pleasantly surprised. Few people are singularly polar politically, unless they are.

You and I could actually have some crossover. Hey! We're both beekeepers. You can't be all bad.

That's too cruel. I should have said "I can't be all bad", but that's a given. Hard to smile in writings. And everything is funny.

I do enjoy at least thinking that someone's upset. Schadenfreude!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 10, 2021, 11:21:06 pm
Sal
I am just on old uneducated hick that lives in the boonies and is pretty much a hermit.  I am retire and my small social life is purely family.  Nothing now will matter as much in a hundred years.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 14, 2021, 09:13:29 am
Hi Folks,

GWW. Stop voting.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-definition-manufactured-threat

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 14, 2021, 11:33:55 am
I will give gww the flip side of my research and bad info complaints!   :grin:

I just spent some time with some people who only consume far right wingnut stuff.  They are no more informed than those who use MSNBC and CNN as their only news sources.  The far right stuff would not be so bad if they took the time to see if what they are being fed is accurate.  Sadly, they do not.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on December 14, 2021, 11:52:52 am
Buyer beware.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 14, 2021, 12:46:16 pm
Sal your link saddens me. It is sad to see this report by Tucker Carlson.

Do not confuse sadness with ungratefulness. I am grateful and appreciative you posted this but sad to see so much freedom has been cast aside. iIf Tucker is accurate of which he reported. What we in America have seen is just the tip of the iceberg. If we as a nation, follow these anti-constitutional suggestions of our leaders mentioned and many others, I am afraid America for what she stands for, might not be standing at all, she may be showing her dying hand.

Once America turns her back on the Constitution which made her great, she will be America the Great no more, but a country that has evolved into something less that the greatness she once was, and designed to be, by our constitution and all that she stands for: One Nation, Under God, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All.  We can not have it both ways.





Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: paus on December 14, 2021, 12:56:09 pm
A side observation.  Our bee club had our Christmas party last night and I used to think Beekeepers were gentle people until we had the dirty santa gift exchange.  Those people are heartless.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on December 14, 2021, 01:24:02 pm
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Once America turns her back on the Constitution which made her great

I used to have a friendly argument with a Brit about freedoms.  My point to him was that while they sometimes have more freedoms they do not have the guarantee of those freedoms.  They are granted to the Brits, but not by law.

The Constitution is our law.  Because it is the law, we should have far more protection than, say, Australia, NZ, or England.  What we are missing is an enforcement mechanism.  The only protection the Constitution has is the SCOTUS.  That's the reason the leftists hate Justices that promise to follow the constitution.  Most of what the leftists want is unconstitutional and so they can't afford to have Justices that are not willing to create new found rights that are outside the law.  The leftists at the top of the progressive agenda realize that they can't convince the population of most things, and they can't legally force the country to conform.  They need and use leftist courts to get what they want.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 14, 2021, 03:36:29 pm
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The Constitution is our law.

And from this written law, all other laws should be hinged, gauged, and scrutinized, with deep thought of inspection by any elected official who has been elected in trust by we the people, regardless of party, with that sacred trust of doing so with a constant mindset of the constitution, first and foremost before passing or accepting 'any' law with full confidence the suggested law is in accordance with The Constitution'. This includes any elected State or Federal person of any capacity, of any arena; From a Senator or Representative; Down to a city alderman; including any and all public arenas, of any local District, Town, or City for that matter.
Any power 'given, or taken'; From, or too, the Dog Catcher all the way up to the President, by any unlawful, unconstitutional law suggested in any official aren should not be accepted by our leaders, nor any court, including the SCOTUS 'who has sworn an oath', to protect our constitution first and foremost...

Once contridictry Unconstitutional laws are passed, placed, and accepted, it becomes easier for the next one to follow suite by complacently. Not to mention the Unconstitutional tyranny suggested by bureaucrats such Dr Anthony Fauchi and others who show no regard or respect for our Constitution.  Each time one of these Un-Constitutional laws or mandates as described is administered, (She), 'America' and the 'freedom' 'She' was founded on and represents, takes another dagger and dies a little more.

Our weak Senators and Representatives through the years, have dropped the ball of fully supporting The Constitution; Our Constitution; Americas Constitution; being the heart of 'America Herself',  which is the most important thing they Swear an oath to protect and uphold when inaugurated.  Thankfully there are a 'few' which still show a respect for OUR Constitution. and are bold enough to stand stedfast. Even a newcomer will pop up from time to time, who loves America and will stand for 'our' Constitution, such is the example of the Representative from Georgia. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 14, 2021, 04:36:51 pm
Hi Folks,

I worked mainly "in my car" since 1981. I listened to PBS the majority of the time. The had the best reception. I knew for a long time that PBS was bad, I kept listening. "Keep your enemas closer".

In 2012 I railed against this quiz. I ask you all to take this quiz, knowing that it is to PBS aficionados. They all had a good GUFFAW over the outcome.
THEY are not affected by any of this stuff THEY put us through. THEY continue to have high wages, high assets, gourmet meals, etc,... all the while watching the rabble for their entertainment, knowing THEY are not touched by it.  READ THE LETTER!, from 2012.

YOU don't know about this,... because YOU were too busy working.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/spc/multimedia/20120308-quiz/


Making the Most of Your Money

A Quiz Asks: How Insulated Are You?
BY ANN CARRNS
 MARCH 21, 2012 3:42 PM March 21, 2012 3:42 pm 24

Unless you?ve been living in a cave (as opposed to a bubble), you have probably heard about the new book by Charles Murray, ?Coming Apart,? in which he describes a widening gulf between educated, wealthy white professionals and their less educated, less affluent, working-class white counterparts.
The book, which has spawned many columns and letters in this newspaper, argues that highly educated, more affluent Americans increasingly live in bubbles that insulate them from mainstream culture.

PBS NewsHour has posted a 25-question, online quiz devised by Mr. Murray that includes questions about where you live, the kind of work you do and what sort of television shows and movies you watch. Based on your replies, you get a score, from zero to 100, that helps determine how thick your bubble is ? that is, how insulated you are from mainstream culture. (The lower your score, the thicker your bubble; the higher it is, the less insulated you are.)

I consider myself to be in touch with a fairly broad swath of American culture. I?ve had jobs in the past (O.K., while in college) that required manual labor. I have relatives who have served in the military. I?ve lived for the last four years in a part of the country that many of my friends consider ?flyover? territory. And my career requires me to interview all sorts of people. Yet it?s hard, it seems, to ?overcome? my preference for microbrewed beer, my dislike of movies in which things blow up and an adulthood working in jobs that don?t cause me to ache all over (one of the questions). I scored a 35 on the quiz. That suggests, according to Mr. Murray?s scale, that while my bubble is not impenetrable, I probably could get out more. (Note to self: Watch more ?American Idol.?)

Do you live in a bubble? Give the test a try (it takes about five minutes or so, unless you agonize over your answers). What questions would you add? Let know what you think in the comments section.

Sal







   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 16, 2021, 02:52:00 pm
Hi Folks,

WE ALL NEED A GOOD LAUGH! Please click the link:

https://rumble.com/vperf8-ricky-gervais-at-the-golden-globes-2020-all-of-his-bits-chained.html?fbclid=IwAR2nXkOZK4PmdPjt74ig1V_s55W68UlL2C5MeteonkG9koNRB-R5-Tg-Tjk

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on December 27, 2021, 10:37:53 pm
Hi Folks,

Saw this last week. Easy listen. BUT! Remember, be aware of HOW he says it, and What he doesn't tell us. He ticks all the boxes.

There is nothing to fear,..., but still be afraid.

https://www.pbs.org/video/has-the-pandemic-changed-american-health-care-tegjvh/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on December 29, 2021, 11:30:25 am
Where does left find their clueless leaders?

"So we are looking at over 220 millions Americans in the past several months died" 

Bunkum!! 

https://youtube.com/shorts/m1qxtlJZeEw?feature=share









 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 05, 2022, 09:42:28 am
Hi Folks,

I had hoped we'd all be over this, but what is killing America?

https://insurance-forums.com/life-insurance/oneamerica-ceo-says-death-rates-among-working-age-people-up-40/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 18, 2022, 06:32:07 am
Hi Folks,

Why do our LEADERS lie to us?

Nothing to see here folks!

FBI Special Agent in Charge Matt DeSarno said the hostage-taker was specifically focused on an issue not directly connected to the Jewish community, and there was no immediate indication that the man was part of any broader plan.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/16/british-national-identified-as-texas-synagogue-hostage-taker

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jesse-watters-texas-synagogue-hostage-suspicious

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 21, 2022, 07:14:11 am
Hi Folks,

Lying Bestids. It has NEVER been as bad as they said:

Massachusetts? Department of Public Health on Thursday?for the first time?made a distinction between COVID-19 patients hospitalized with "primary" and "incidental" cases.

Boston 25, citing the newly released data, reported that 49% of the state?s 3,187 patients-- hospitalized on Jan. 18--were there because of another matter and diagnosed with the virus once at the hospital.

Medical officials in the state made clear that they have no intention of diminishing the "incidental" cases-- pointing out that they will still require special care--but they hope the numbers will better reflect the virus' impact on the community

Dr. Shira Doron, a Tufts Medical Center?s epidemiologist, worked on the state?s new reporting system and told the station that the data indicate that the vaccines are doing their job.


Word around here locally: "Go home and treat it like the flu". Some people have died from the flu in the past. Really!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on January 24, 2022, 11:06:37 pm
Hi Folks,

Please click the link and listen:

https://www.facebook.com/100000881210965/videos/697346414758777

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 03, 2022, 09:16:01 pm
Hi Folks,

BUSTED!

Liberals, democrats! Gotta love 'em. Something tells us all that this is definitely who ALL these people are, present company not necessarily excepted. There is a racist among us here:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/black-republican-virginia-delegate-says-black-caucus-rejected-him

Yeah! But that's just FOX!

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on February 05, 2022, 06:12:36 pm
I didn't want to start a new thread for this so I hope I will be forgiven for adding it here.  If you have Fox Nation the new series "Who is Hunter Biden" is great.  If you don't want to subscribe you can do the free 30 days and watch it.  Worth the time I think.  And people who don't like Fox can always fact check it and post their objections!   :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Jim 134 on February 06, 2022, 12:51:59 am
Hi Folks,

This might be "fun".

"I came here to tell you the truth, the good,... the bad,... and the ugly."

We all know "the big lies": The check is in the mail. Roll over. I love you. The dog ate my homework.


               I believe that biggest lie ever told...  Anywhere in the world.
   I am from the government and I'm here to help you
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 06, 2022, 06:53:04 am
Hi Folks, Hi Jim,

You were in Massachusetts when I linked to this forum. I'm in Plymouth County. Finsky was the most exciting poster of the day. Oh, for the good ole days! Where's poor Finsky when you really need someone to tell you the truth. Hey! Sometimes the truth hurts.

Here's another *Coose your truth wisely* link:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bongino-psaki-biden-disinformation-media

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on February 10, 2022, 10:50:20 am
Think this might belong here also.  Some won't like the source, but there are links to the docs in here + we have been getting this info shoveled out bit by bit with FOIA requests....which the State Dept and DOJ have slow walked. 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/key-state-department-email-detailing-7-million-bribe-was-never-provided-to-trumps-impeachment-defense-truth-over-news_4267353.html?utm_source=appan2028330

Key State Department Email Detailing $7 Million Bribe Was Never Provided to Trump?s Impeachment Defense
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 10, 2022, 11:17:58 pm
Hi Folks,

They've been *getting* the kids for a long time now. How many teenage girls are interested in the Canadian Trucker Protest?

15! You may not even come to the *LIES*. I don't like to drag you into this, but have you got a comment? Has this been a burning issue for you?

TEEN VOUGUE:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canada-s-freedom-convoy-trucker-protests-aren-t-about-freedom/ar-AATHt5p?ocid=msedgntp

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on February 15, 2022, 08:54:39 am
Hi Folks,

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-donald-trump-durham-probe

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 02, 2022, 09:17:59 am
Hi Folks,

I saw this Job Posting for Role Players at CA&M

Does OUR government actually fool us like this? Was that guy Alex Jones correct? Were these people on hand for Jan. 6? Are they going to screw up that truck Convoy?

Role Players
POSTED ON 2/7/2022AVAILABLE BEFORE 8/6/2022
 CA&M   Washington, DC Contractor
Job Posting for Role Players at CA&M
CA&M, Inc., a small business dedicated to providing exceptional talent to support our Federal clients, is currently accepting resumes for Role Players to support a number of training packages and events.  We are currently accepting resumes from Role Players to support a wide range of training events in spaces such as health, disaster training, law enforcement training, military training.  We are looking for role players that can meet the following requirements

Requirements:
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?   Portray a variety of role playing scenarios
?   Memorize critical data contained in each role
?   Be prepared for each role so as to portray assigned role(s) with no reliance to the role script (off book)
?   Ability to follow directions, be on time and keep within the assigned bounds of the training exercise's scope
?   Take direction, adjustments, and notes and quickly implement those changes moving forward
?   Convey information and data in response to students? correct and proper interview skills, questioning and/or elicitation techniques, while simultaneously completing Government provided Student Evaluation Sheets, in accordance with Government provided references, procedures and forms
?   Realistically, accurately and convincingly portray your role
?   Must be able to withstand working in austere environments, weather challenges, standing, walking considerable distances, and in certain training programs may be required to lift up to 50 lbs.
?   Candidates should be comfortable on being scheduled on short notice 3-5 business days for OCONUS events
?   Candidates that are interested in OCONUS events should hold a current US Passport, and be up to date on all applicable vaccines.
?   Role Players with SECRET clearance, retired DOD, Department of State, Foreign Service Officers, and Veterans are highly encouraged to apply


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Please click here for original source:
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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on March 02, 2022, 10:52:01 am
I don't know about that ad, but role players are used for all kinds of training.  Always have been. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on March 03, 2022, 07:16:13 am
Now we know where all these riot instigators come from.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 03, 2022, 03:38:41 pm
egg blanking zactly!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 05, 2022, 05:31:15 pm
Hi Folks,

Tell me how bad, false, whacky this person is, then defend our own MSM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZgEjNp6DSc

Tell me again how trustworthy the US MSM is.

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Just sayin'.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 06, 2022, 11:54:44 pm
Hi Folks,

It never ends! While we were all sleeping. PLEASE READ BOTH. ONE IS A BIG LIE.:

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2022/03/03/gableman-provides-vibes-and-feelings-for-a-dark-future-in-wisconsin-democracy/

https://skagitrepublicans.com/WisconsinSpecialCounselFindsMassiveMisconductin2020Election

Who ya gonna call? GHOST BUSTERS!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 09, 2022, 06:31:34 am
Hi Folks,

Ya think someone was Poking the Bear?

Early on I posted in another thread about numerous *Biological Labs* in Ukraine being *targeted* by Putin. That was obviously fake news. There are no Bio Labs in Ukraine.

Well:

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/09/victoria-nuland-us-biological-research-facilities-ukraine/#:~:text=Undersecretary%20of%20State%20Victoria%20Nuland%20said%20Tuesday%20that,%28R-FL%29%20if%20Ukraine%20has%20chemical%20or%20biological%20weapons.

*It is classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they are planning to do themselves*

Hey! Who ya gonna beleive, Victoria or your lying eyes?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 09, 2022, 07:01:45 am
Mmmmm


https://youtu.be/JvUmxPGMpc4
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 09, 2022, 07:08:23 am
Hi Folks,

Remember it was just *every now and then*?

Then it became more regular?

Then it was like it was every day?

NOW IT'S MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY!

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300069357001#sp=show-clips

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 09, 2022, 07:28:58 am
https://youtu.be/1suP5JLORcA
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 09, 2022, 10:14:03 pm
Hi Folks,

The Foreign Ministry of Russia claimed on Tuesday that the nation?s military had ?confirmed? the existence of American-funded biological laboratories in Ukraine used for developing ?biological weapons.?

I don't think the US administration would be "worried" about the Russians stealing a new pain relief drug.

Fool me once,... shame on you. Fool me twice,...?????? Well you just can't fool me twice.

WHERE'S FAUCI?
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Sal



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on March 10, 2022, 01:45:00 am
Sal
It was russian backed chemicals in Syria that trump bombed the airport for.  Their is no doubt that one side is the one that is more then willing to use them and has the history.  I find it funny how you jump the other way though.  I think the US is worried that russia has not changed, why would you get your news from the russian ministry?  Is this the same ministry that tells the russian public through state tv that they are not at war and are just getting rid of Nazis?  I am glad you used the word fool so many times, Sorta seem appropriate in some kind of context.
Cheers
gww 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 10, 2022, 08:48:47 am
Hi Folks,

No one is clean.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-03-10/Russia-Ukraine-conflict-Why-is-the-West-stirring-up-social-media--18i9ymfU0aA/index.html

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=george+bush+fool+me+once&docid=608050640726097812&mid=852FF7C8055B5439808C852FF7C8055B5439808C&view=detail&FORM=VRAASM&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgeorge%2Bbush%2Bfool%2Bme%2Bonce%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 10, 2022, 10:36:46 am
Hi Folks,

GWW. Stop voting!

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300175279001#sp=show-clips

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 11, 2022, 12:14:09 am
Hi Folks,

Sorry Nigel, 15, 30. I'd sure like to see a chicken pot pie. I've been thinking about it for days.

Nice cupcakes though. I needed a coffee after seeing those.

The hits just keep on coming!

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6300289316001#sp=show-clips

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on March 11, 2022, 12:57:09 am
sal
You tell me to quit voting. Who would you like to take my place?  Maybe the russians that get a steady diet of tucker on their state run tv?  Tucker gets a lot of play time in russia due to all of his supportive russian propaganda talking points he spews as of late.
You and russia state tv have a lot in common in making sure his propaganda gets spread far and wide. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on March 11, 2022, 02:22:54 am
https://youtu.be/Z1EA2ohrt5Q




Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 11, 2022, 08:49:35 am
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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 11, 2022, 09:07:17 am
Hi Folks,

Are we having fun yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry6ANbNT1iA

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 22, 2022, 04:35:26 pm
Hi Folks,

Someone's lying here......

*The White House wants to believe this doesn't matter,*

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/logan-praised-by-russia-as-real-america-s-voice-as-schwarzenegger-shunned/ar-AAVllie?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

https://web.archive.org/web/20160329143100/https://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/

Tell me again who the *Good Guys* are?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on March 22, 2022, 04:56:40 pm
Quote
Tell me again who the *Good Guys* are?

Did you ever read this?  I know that some will not like that the author is conservative, but this book has some fascinating stuff in it.  Stuff I thought I knew and didn't.  Well referenced so you can make up your own mind about what is presented.

https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lie-Exposing-Roots-American/dp/1621573486
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on March 22, 2022, 05:09:50 pm
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/22/project-veritas-feds-secretly-accessed-emails-00019247

Sal, don't know if you have kept up on this, but it's kinda flown under the radar.  Another example of FBI corruption, I think.  They get into PVs emails and other private and privileged stuff on behalf of the Bidens even though PV did not publish anything and turned the diary over to the police.

The courts in the past have protected journalists no matter how info has been obtained.  In this case, nothing was published, nothing was kept, and the leaks from the diary were from another party.  Can you imagine the FBI doing the same to the NYTs over material they acquired?  Deep throat, Pentagon papers, etc.  All from questionable sources but protected by the courts.  This was simply an abandoned diary from Joes junkie daughter.  would the FBI do this to protect some other junkie daughter and her diary?

RHIP
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on March 26, 2022, 09:38:43 am
Hi Folks,

I didn't want to mar *what's cookin'* with this

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-china-american-farmland-run-out-of-food

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 01, 2022, 02:42:48 pm
Hi Folks,

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 01, 2022, 07:36:40 pm
Sal people don't understand any of this.  Economics is not taught.  No one understands international trade financing.  Heck, I don't think the people running the country understand it or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing...or maybe they would.

There was another call today to go to the digital dollar.  Nothing backs our dollar except the full faith and credit of the USA.  What is that worth these days?  IDK.  No one really knows, but China would love to challenge the supremacy of the dollar and so would Russia.  Both have leverage.  Russia with exports of grains and gas/oil, and China with just about everything else. 

Russia is testing this and you can bet China is watching to see how it goes.  If the dollar collapses, going digital would be the one way the government could try to control the economy from top to bottom.  If you can't use cash for goods, you can't buy outside government control.  You can't bargain for a deal, or buy anything underground.  Gold, etc. won't work if there is no way to cash it in.  It becomes as useless as paper money. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 02, 2022, 09:56:13 am
Hi Folks,

WHAT'S ALL THIS ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN???

FIRST I HEARD OF THIS!
(Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink).

REALLY? REALLY?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-maher-hunter-biden-left-wing-media

We've been getting SCREWED for too long! BY EVERYONE!!!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 02, 2022, 11:06:15 am
Isn't it amazing the 'about face' Bill Maher has made since the Durham report has been 'registered' and federally filled and now a legal document! He is 'very smart' and he should have known all along but said 'not a word' like many of the left while continuing the propaganda 'full steam ahead' anyway ..  He is no hero....  Don't let this fellow, who has abruptly changed attire to sheep clothing fool you. When you first see the 'more' intelligent of the left 'jumping' ship, this should tell you something..

The posted article headline reads:
Bill Maher: The 'left-wing media'
buried the Hunter Biden scandal
 because 'it wasn't part of their
              narrative'


Perhaps the headline sound have instead read:
Bill Maher: And The 'left-wing media'
buried the Hunter Biden scandal
because 'it wasn't part of his
              narrative'
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 02, 2022, 11:17:33 am
sources and research.  Sources have to be those that you agree with and those you don't.  Even those you don't trust.  Then research.  This one was simple but because so many only gather from those who tell them what they want to hear, they missed it.

Same with most of the Trump stuff.  It was not hard to figure out, but it took a bit of work.  At least the sources and reasons for it were not hard to figure out.  The entire story is yet to be told but fining the DNC and Hillary campaign for what they did started to shed some light on it. 
Those in power like Schiff, Schumer, and Nancy knew they were lying.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 02, 2022, 02:57:10 pm
Hi Folks,

Hillary said it best when she said:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hillary+what+difference+does+it+make+now&&view=detail&mid=3784E1AB4595D8B5B7253784E1AB4595D8B5B725&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dhillary%2Bwhat%2Bdifference%2Bdoes%2Bit%2Bmake%2Bnow%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 02, 2022, 06:18:17 pm
It doesn't make a difference now, but as the lies are exposed, it ought to make a difference in what some people choose to believe.  The Hunter laptop is a good example.  Many of us knew about this and all that was on it before the election.  It was verified before the election.  Now, going on 2 years later, after the leftists have accomplished getting Biden into office, they are talking about it. 

Sadly, that was another example of both press advocacy and intel malfeasance.  Same with all the Trump/Russia stuff.  We knew early on it was a lie, but the leftists pushed the lie and the gullible fell for it. 

Of course, it's kind of fun now to watch the leftists trying to figure out what to do about Biden.  They can't get rid of him and have Kamala.  He's an embarrassment every time he opens his mouth.  No one wants Nancy.  For all the pain the left has caused with their enabling lies, there is entertainment in it. 

The bad thing is that Biden and family are in debt to Russia and China and as Hunter admitted, Russia may have another of his laptops.  We have a compromised president in office for real this time.  Never mind what he did in Ukraine!  That might have been criminal, but there's that dilemma of Kamala...and Nancy...
What's a good leftist to do?   :grin:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 02, 2022, 09:22:17 pm
I just deleted what I typed in.

Why have Agent Smith knocking on my door.

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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 08, 2022, 07:31:30 am
Hi Folks,

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6303277323001#sp=show-clips

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 13, 2022, 10:11:51 am
Hi Folks,

A bus from Texas arrived in Washington, D.C. Wednesday morning, transporting dozens of illegal immigrants as part of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott?s new plan to counter federal immigration policies during an ongoing border crisis.

The bus pulled up at approximately 8 a.m. local time, blocks away from the U.S. Capitol building. Individuals left one by one except for family units who exited together. They checked in with officials and had wristbands they were wearing cut off before being told they could go.


Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 13, 2022, 12:55:14 pm
They need to send them to San Fran and DE too.   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 14, 2022, 11:07:00 am
Hi Folks,

A second bus from Texas arrived near the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., just before 4:30 a.m. Thursday, transporting more than a dozen illegal immigrants as part of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's new plan to counter federal immigration policies during an ongoing border crisis.

Fourteen migrants stepped off the bus a block from Union Station on First Street. The migrants are from Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba and Colombia, one man said.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 14, 2022, 02:10:24 pm
Hi Folks,

This has been going on a long, long time. Please click the link:

https://fb.watch/co3EmwYN5m/

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 14, 2022, 03:47:09 pm
Quote
This has been going on a long, long time. Please click the link

and it's hard to bring any of this up because you get put into the nutter category as soon as you do.  Unfortunately, some of the people who have been the loudest have been nutters  :grin:

There is no denying that for a very long time...certainly from the beginning of the 20th century, there has been a move toward a world governing body. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on April 15, 2022, 11:11:08 am
Hi Folks,

No word about this from the MSN????

A third migrant bus arrived in Washington D.C. around 8 a.m. Friday as part of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's efforts to counter federal immigrant policies amid the current border crisis.

Texas began sending an unspecified number of buses en route to Washington DC on April 8, following Gov. Abbott's statement that Texas Division of Emergency Management (TDEM) officials would be transporting migrants released in Texas communities to the nation's capital. The White House initially described it as a "publicity stunt," with many assuming the governor would not follow through. The Friday bus carried approximately 30 migrants.

"What better place for them to go than the steps of the United States Capitol?" Abbott asked "America's Newsroom" hosts just last week.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on April 15, 2022, 11:55:52 am
Sal
It is a stunt and that is why he is dropping them off in front of fox news building.  The people on the busses probably do ok as the catholic church has said they will take care of them.  His truck inspections are just increasing inflation on food and not really making any kind of gain unless you consider disrupting the supply chain and inflation a good thing.  Gives you a clue of how republicans answers just seem to hurt more of those they supposedly serve. The things he is accomplishing just hurt his own constituents.  He gets to add higher food prices to the bigger electric bills of his populace.  Good for him, right?  Maybe the voters will agree, time will tell.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 15, 2022, 05:14:40 pm
Quote
It is a stunt and that is why he is dropping them off in front of fox news building.  The people on the busses probably do ok as the catholic church has said they will take care of them.  His truck inspections are just increasing inflation on food and not really making any kind of gain unless you consider disrupting the supply chain and inflation a good thing.  Gives you a clue of how republicans answers just seem to hurt more of those they supposedly serve. The things he is accomplishing just hurt his own constituents.  He gets to add higher food prices to the bigger electric bills of his populace.  Good for him, right?  Maybe the voters will agree, time will tell.

Pretty sure the issues at the border are not the fault of the border states.  Might be that if the Biden incompetents fixed things, there wouldn't be an issue?
He's losing the Hispanic vote, so that tells you what people think about his policies including the border policies.  We just got a national warning about overdose deaths in the US and to be prepared for more because of the amount of fentanyl floating around.  Where do you think that stuff is coming from?

Short term problem with trucks coming across vs. long term problem with millions flooding in along with their drugs.  You pick.  Oh wait...you already did!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 27, 2022, 08:32:55 pm
Rather than start a new thread...for anyone interested in intel malfeasance...

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/its-time-we-get-answers-about-the-fbis-involvement-in-the-okc-bombing/
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on April 28, 2022, 01:30:35 am
Kathy 'if' all this is true; who is the brains behind all of this. I don't mean a specific group. I mean the snake head himself?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on April 28, 2022, 01:24:03 pm
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I don't mean a specific group. I mean the snake head himself?

I don't know if there is a snake head or if there is just a culture of corruption.  They more I have looked at the FBI history, the more I find that there was always a core of corruption.  When that happens in an agency, and moves on from decade to decade, there is usually a corrupt core that mentors people who are willing to engage in corruption.  It doesn't have to be the entire agency, but you have to have people at the top willing to ignore it.

J Egar was corrupt even though much of what he did at the time was legal. He was morally corrupt.  It is an agency born in corruption.  You can look back at things they did to MLK, as a great example.  There's probably tons of stuff we'll never know, but there is enough smoke around enough events...

And it makes me sad.  There are a lot of great people who work for the FBI.  Because of them, it took me a long time to come to where I am now.

Edit
I'll drop this here also and I have not finished it.  This is the same kind of stuff that was found long after the MLK assassination.  We do know that Hoover hated MLK and both Kennedys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsItiPfnzLI

Edit 2
info about the Secret Service agent that Biden just pardoned is in this video.  There's a lot of junk in the video that's forgettable, but I found the bit about Abraham Bolden worth investigating.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 06, 2022, 12:11:34 am
Kathy I am about half way through it. This is very interesting. I thank you for posting it. Did you by chance see the News Max special which played constantly for about a month, a few years ago Titled: I killed JFK?

I can not say that documentary was totally true, but I certainly can not say it was not. It had some eye opening revelations.

Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 12, 2022, 10:51:40 pm
Trump on Putin using the Nuclear Word.

https://youtube.com/shorts/jr11gh8wpvA?feature=share
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 12, 2022, 10:57:29 pm
Hi Folk,

My oil company is at $6.099 today

Come the Fall, lots of folks going to be cold and worried.

100 - 140 Gallons 6.099

150 - 200 Gallons 5.999

ORDER NOW


Also,... What's all this about BABY FORMULA?

Do they figure if we can put up with threats to our children we'll put up with anything? Is this their THREAT ANSWER to Roe v Wade?

How do THEY crawl us out of this by September? Do THEY expect to win in November, or will we be too beaten to vote these morons out?

WOW Ben! Synchronicity? I get scared now when I see "WARNING"!

Sal AKA Ahdinoo Nuffin
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 12, 2022, 11:16:11 pm

Salvo
Quote
Synchronicity

Staggering to say the least!
If the following report form ABC News of estimation is proven correct, (18,000 illegal immigrants per day) putting even more strain on supplies, how can our supply chain not become toast? Even the most liberal has to see it?


https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-bracing-influx-migrants-southern-border-title-42/story?id=83751437
US bracing for influx of migrants at southern border if Title 42 ...
The Department of Homeland Security is bracing for as many as 18,000 migrants per day at the southern border if Title 42 is revoked, according to senior DHS officials who briefed reporters on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 12, 2022, 11:27:14 pm
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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 16, 2022, 05:55:05 pm
Hi Folks,

My oil company TODAY!

100 - 140 Gallons 6.259

150 - 200 Gallons 6.159

ORDER NOW


Also, About that baby formula shortage:

Pete Buttigieg told baby formula shortage 'lie'

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/pete-buttigieg-baby-formula-shortage-lie-kat-cammack

Apparently, if they can't abort babies,... they'll starve them to death.

(but they really CAN abort babies! SO WIN/WIN!)

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 18, 2022, 10:16:27 am
Hi Folks,

Dangerous rhetoric here! Weak people! DO NOT OPEN!

We don't want you to have an opinion.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6306359096112#sp=show-clips

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on May 18, 2022, 02:15:30 pm
This was the thing I thought of as I started hearing this garbage the last few days.  First, it really doesn't have a definition so the left is doing its best to make one up, but if you want to go by their standards I can think of a few.

We have had a big "gentrification" thing going on in Portland, especially before the riots when Portland was kind of a nice place.  This would fit under the leftist definition of "replacement theory".  There are a bunch of people, both white and other, cheering the fact that the white population is being replaced by brown people. 

Imagine a bunch of white people marching around complaining that black people were moving into their neighborhood and changing things?  Imagine a bunch of people standing up and cheering that there are going to be fewer minorities in the country. 

This is political crap.  The dems have nothing going into the next elections and so they are clinging to Ultra Maga and the entire Republican party needs to be considered a terrorist group. 
The only people I know of obsessing over race are on the left.  By definition, this kind of obsession is divisive.  You can't unite people when you are concentrating on the color of their skin. 

Pretty sure none of this adresses real issues or brings us together, but maybe I'm missing that part.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 19, 2022, 08:22:54 am
Hi Folks,

JEEZ! It lasted longer than CNN's RT AMERIKA.

MINISTRY OFTRUTH!

Disinformation Governance Board

Formed   2022

Jurisdiction   United States

Headquarters   DHS Nebraska Avenue Complex, Washington, D.C.


Parent department   Department of Homeland Security

The Disinformation Governance Board (DGB) is an advisory board of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS), announced on April 27, 2022. The board's function is to protect national security by disseminating guidance to DHS agencies on combating foreign misinformation and disinformation. Specific problem areas mentioned by the DHS include false information propagated by human smugglers encouraging migrants to surge to the Mexico?United States border, as well as Russian-state disinformation on election interference and the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. On May 18, the board and its working groups were "paused" pending review, and board head Nina Jankowicz resigned, following several days of discussion within the DHS as a result of public backlash, mostly from the political right.


Reality is: This hasn't been DISOLVED. They're just figuring out how to CONTINUE, but hide it from us.

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 21, 2022, 01:52:48 pm
Hi Folks,

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BTW: That word, MONKEYPOX, the letter "K" is silent.

Remember when Bill Gates warned us about monkep.  err, SMALLPOX.
Yeah. He didn't factor in that we had already been vaccinated for that.

Do you think that all this is PLANNED? A PLANDEMIC?

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 21, 2022, 10:34:06 pm
Hi Folks,

Waddid I tell ya? MONEYPOX!

U.S. government places $119 million order for 13 million freeze-dried Monkeypox vaccines


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-government-places-119-million-151227806.html

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 25, 2022, 12:01:41 am
Hi Folks,
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A Tulsa Public Schools board member took to social media to advocate for "educational excellence," but it's the manner in which she made her point that has caught some folks' attention.

E'Lena Ashley, the District 4 member, posted a graphic Monday on Facebook that says U.S. third-graders are learning about pregnant men and same-sex relationships while children in China and India are busy learning complex math and chemistry.

She wrote, with the "meme":

"How can we compete ..."

Sal


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on May 25, 2022, 12:34:40 pm
Had this conversation the other day with someone who was insisting the kids need to learn about social issues in school.  In our case, we were talking about a local school spending 100s of 1000s of dollars to accommodate one child with a medical condition. 

I pointed out the above and suggested that if we had our kids testing at something that was not 3rd world level we could then consider adding social issues to the curriculum. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on May 27, 2022, 12:50:07 am
I have had two exchange students for the past school year. One is from Germany. This was his senior year. He really enjoyed it here because it was so much less work, homework. When he goes back, he will have to redo the 11th and 12th grades, they have to be completed consecutively, and they do not consider our schools of any real value. By the way he new this when he left and came anyway. He was trying to stay here but even if he had a graduation certificate from here, it was not valid in Germany.
Our Spanish student was able to get credit for this year but for the last three months he has had to take on line Spanish school courses and he had to take a test as soon as he got home. There schools are also much harder and more advanced than ours.
By the way, our Baker county high school is rated A. I don?t think any of the schools in Jacksonville are even close to being A rated.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 27, 2022, 08:46:41 am
I have had two exchange students for the past school year. One is from Germany. This was his senior year. He really enjoyed it here because it was so much less work, homework. When he goes back, he will have to redo the 11th and 12th grades, they have to be completed consecutively, and they do not consider our schools of any real value. By the way he new this when he left and came anyway. He was trying to stay here but even if he had a graduation certificate from here, it was not valid in Germany.
Our Spanish student was able to get credit for this year but for the last three months he has had to take on line Spanish school courses and he had to take a test as soon as he got home. There schools are also much harder and more advanced than ours.
By the way, our Baker county high school is rated A. I don?t think any of the schools in Jacksonville are even close to being A rated.
Jim Altmiller

With the direction our country has regressed 'in many ways', (education as a good example here), in the past 60 years there is no wonder and according to Nikita Khrushchev, its no accident but well planned.. 
(Communist) pick your word...
 
"We will take America without firing a shot."
 Nikita Khrushchev ...
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 28, 2022, 09:01:44 am
Hi Folks,

SAIL AWAY ON THE ORONOCO FLOW!

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6306915679112#sp=show-clips

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on May 28, 2022, 12:39:06 pm
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I have had two exchange students for the past school year. One is from Germany. This was his senior year. He really enjoyed it here because it was so much less work, homework. When he goes back, he will have to redo the 11th and 12th grades

Ah, but will they learn to be respectful of fellow students and use the proper pronouns!  That's what is important.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on May 30, 2022, 11:31:42 am
Hi Folks,

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 30, 2022, 01:35:24 pm
Hi Folks,

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Sal


😂
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on May 31, 2022, 11:05:18 pm
The last two post which where in this spot, respectively, where moved to the topic: "When will the ignorant get smart" posted by Salvo and KathyP Thank you, The15Member for the move.. Thumbs up...

Phillip
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 01, 2022, 10:09:06 pm
Hi Folks,

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Now,... bees are FISH!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/california-court-rules-that-bees-are-a-type-of-fish-in-order-to-protect-them-under-the-state-s-endangered-species-act/ar-AAXYg16?bk=1&ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d4977dd0c87647b8ab07130c5c214c47

No wonder there's a pandemic of mental illness affecting kids.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 01, 2022, 10:12:32 pm
Quote
No wonder there's a pandemic of mental illness affecting kids.

Sal


No Wonder!
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 02, 2022, 09:58:47 am
Hi Folks,

This AM morning news. Massachusetts hospitals filled with children and teens suffering mental illness.

https://bismarcktribune.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/pandemic-has-u-s-hospitals-overwhelmed-with-teens-in-mental-crisis/article_f314b736-d836-5c2c-86d6-4a45237abae2.html

What are we letting happen? It seems the goal is to keep the people weak, confused, dependent, addicted,... and soon... unarmed.

Easier to control.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 02, 2022, 12:04:40 pm
Quote
This AM morning news. Massachusetts hospitals filled with children and teens suffering mental illness.

There was just a story like this here.  A couple of years ago Oregon allocated many millions of dollars for residential and clinic care, but failed to disburse the funds.  The money is still sitting there because "it takes time to plan things so the money is not wasted".  The first shocking thing about that was that the government cared about not wasting money!

Meanwhile, our streets and every green space that will hold a tent, are filled with mentally ill and drug addicted people. 

The states are flush with COVID money.  So much that they can't figure out how to spend it all.  Might be time to put some pressure on them?  Especially as so many are up for election.  "What are you going to do about this and what is your timeline for fixing it?".

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 03, 2022, 09:38:07 am
Hi Folks,

Foreign version of Sunday morning *MEET THE DEPRESSED*on NBC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXexqBGW4ok

What's wrong with US?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 04, 2022, 08:26:47 am
Hi Folks,

THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH US!

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-pete-buttigieg-disgrace-should-resign

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 04, 2022, 09:46:48 am
As Cousin Cider from across the water has said about other matters, and seems to fit here.

"yep! you get what you deserve/vote for, I know its hard but thats life."

I will add, especially when all of this could have been avoided, instead of our country being sucked down the drain as it appears to be now. In his entire 'professional political career', when has (The Big Guy), Joe Biden been right about anything?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 04, 2022, 11:21:25 am
Ben
Even now, I doubt peoples memories are so bad that they forget what having trump was like and start thinking they made a mistake in electing biden.  Would they like it better with fewer problems, yes, but would they want to go back to trump?  My guess is in a head to head repeat of last election, even knowing what we know now, the voters would again dump trump.  You may not be the only one who has kept their original position on this point.  I know I still have the same position if given the same choice I had in 2020.  Many times it is not how good the person is that is elected but how bad the one he is running against is.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 04, 2022, 11:40:57 am
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Even now, I doubt peoples memories are so bad that they forget what having trump was like

I don't think mean tweets are going to stick in peoples minds as much as high gas prices, no baby formula, and inflation.  If the smart people are correct, we'll be in recession before the election.  "It's the economy, stupid" might be one of the truest political utterances ever.

The rest of the things, like Russian and Ukraine, people are now finding out were lies from the Clintons, or that Trump was right about Biden and Ukraine.  If those things had people spun up, they now know that they were intentionally spun up by the leftists in the press and Congress.

I hope that Trump doesn't run again and that would mean that what he was or was not, will mean even less to people.  I'd like some new blood.

It's nice that you are happy with your choice.  Most are not because they are suffering losses and meaningful anxiety over the economy and the state of the world. They are looking at the people appointed to things that are important, like the Fed and transportation...not to mention the VP, and realizing that none of these people were picked because they are good.  They were picked to tick a gender, sexual orientation, or color box.  People might long for mean tweets by the time 2024 comes around!   :grin:



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 04, 2022, 11:53:01 am
GWW

STOP VOTING!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 04, 2022, 12:01:45 pm
Kathy
I think it is revisionist to come to the conclusion that there was nothing to the russian thing just cause some mistakes were also made.  That would sorta leave out the 158, or so, verified contacts between russia and the trump campaign and maniford turning over polling and such to them.  I agree that the economy is going to be most important.  However, you are coming to this from a position that you were already happy with trump in 2020 and 80 million were not and they all got to see exactly what you got to see up to the point of the 2020 election and apparently saw it different then you did and we won't know with out another vote but I am not convinced those people who voted against trump have woke up and think differently now about trump.  They may want a different choice but if given the same choice, I doubt they change their mind just as you have not changed yours.
Cheers
ghww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 04, 2022, 12:06:11 pm
Sal
The people that stopped voting were those trump voters in georgia in the senate run off race.  Hum....
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Ben Framed on June 04, 2022, 12:41:05 pm
I really doubt that Trump would be a fraction as effective as he was during his competent and efficient first term, even if he were to run and be re-elected. Back then the business world had confidence that our nation and our people had finally woke up to the fact that business as usual from the professional Politicians had been disrupted. Once again the future looked bright for We The People, the American Citizen; And it was proved to be true! The Nation flourished as a whole, as I have never seen in my lifetime. Just one example; Oil Companies were not afraid to make those long term investments in drilling and other aspects of the Business; And It paid off! (Until The democrats destroyed it). Rather having our oil shipped out, exported, they would literally rather have our oil shipped in from other countries, they would rather enrich those, some of which are not so friendly to us. Adding to their riches while vacuuming our economy.

Since the poor decisions demonstrated by the voter, turning their backs on all this progress, placing their trust and confidence in the Biden Administration, has now cost every American and is already a disaster and still counting down not up. , I really have doubts that the business world would be confident, nor chomping at the bits to do a do over. Why would they when they can not depend on the voter to choose wise leadership, (if Trump) only had four more years I doubt business would see this as having enough time for long term investments, especially when the public can not seem to see the forrest for the trees at the voting booth.  But there again,  What do I know? Nothing apparently so here we are.

Yes Cider is once again right.
"yep! you get what you deserve/vote for, I know its hard but thats life."
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 04, 2022, 02:31:43 pm
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I think it is revisionist to come to the conclusion that there was nothing to the russian thing just cause some mistakes were also made.  That would sorta leave out the 158, or so, verified contacts between russia and the trump campaign and maniford turning over polling and such to them.  I agree that the economy is going to be most important.  However, you are coming to this from a position that you were already happy with trump in 2020 and 80 million were not and they all got to see exactly what you got to see up to the point of the 2020 election and apparently saw it different then you did and we won't know with out another vote but I am not convinced those people who voted against trump have woke up and think differently now about trump.  They may want a different choice but if given the same choice, I doubt they change their mind just as you have not changed yours.

It's not revisionist.  We know for a fact now that the Russia thing came from the Hillary camp and that the FBI knew early on that it was a lie.  It was a good way for the FBI to get FISA warrants and lie to get them so that they could spy on the campaign and the administration.  This we also know to be fact.

All incoming admins have contact with foreign leaders.  That's part of the smooth transition of power.  Various parts of the incoming admin have contacts with their counterparts. 

Manifort is a little more complicated, but it comes down to a couple of things.  1. was the Muller investigation which suggested that a coworker of Manifort was a Russian agent.  IF he was an agent and if he shared internal polling data, I am not sure how that lands Manafort in jail.   That info came from the FBI and so it is suspect from the beginning but the court did not know what the Hillary campaign and FBI had done, so they had no reason not to trust them.  2.  Manafort probably rightly was acused of not registering under the FARA act.  FARA violations are common.  The presidents son is in violation.  People don't go to jail for FARA violations.

I believe Trump pardoned Manafort because he knew early on what the FBI had done. 
This is a good article.
https://time.com/5002606/foreign-agents-registration-act-paul-manafort/

I am reasonably confident that if given the choice between Trump and Biden as things now stand, Trump would win. 
  A large part of that would be the Hispanic and black vote.  both groups were moving away for the dems slightly anyway and given what has happened in the last 18 months or so, they have no reason to go back. More have reason to leave.  Another part of the equation is the growing evidence that there was, in spite of the press and leftists protests against the idea, massive fraud in the last election.  There is more on that yet to be revealed, but it's looking pretty slimy. 

We'll have a good indication of the mood of the people when the midterms come.  Since no one seems to think anything in the economy is going to do anything but get worse, if Biden doesn't course correct, the Democrat party dosn't stand a chance.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 04, 2022, 03:05:38 pm
Kathy
I will give you this, it is usually a close thing in this country with not much change needed for things to swing one way or the other over and over.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 07, 2022, 06:18:40 pm
Hi Folks,

*Mean Tweets*

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Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 07, 2022, 06:28:46 pm
LOL.  I think there is a lot of truth to that.  It's also one of the reasons many people liked him.  Also worth noting that many of his assertions that people labeled as nuts were true. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 07, 2022, 07:01:58 pm
But how do over look the ones that were nuts?
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 07, 2022, 10:16:14 pm
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But how do over look the ones that were nuts?

How do we ever overlook nutty things that people say?  Biden has been a treasure trove of nutty stuff.  Everyone seems fine with that.  I'll point out that the more time that goes by, the fewer of Trumps assertions are nutty.  More and more are proving to have been true.

Pretty sure the moms looking for formula, or the low wage worker trying to put enough gas in the car to get to work, would take mean tweets over what's happening now!

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 08, 2022, 12:02:59 am
At least biden isn't saying what a stable genius that he is.  Person, woman, man, camera.
Cheers
gww
 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 08, 2022, 12:12:09 am
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At least biden isn't saying what a stable genius that he is.  Person, woman, man, camera.

It would be pretty hard for Biden to make that case!   :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on June 08, 2022, 07:06:14 am
>I think it is revisionist to come to the conclusion that there was nothing to the russian thing just cause some mistakes were also made.

Mistakes?  You mean weaponizing the FBI and the Justice department to undermine a President?  That is not a mistake.  That is treason.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 08, 2022, 11:09:34 am
Trump undermined his self and the treason was at the end of the term when trying to hold office regardless of what the voters said.  I guess the fact that Durum just lost in court by making a case just so defenders could have some kind of optics to hang their hat on worked in some fashion with any one who might want what they want regardless of what might be real.  As well as his own admin officials trying to hide their contacts during their conformations.  The real obstruction of justice committed by trump and laid out in the muller report does not point to trump being as pure as freshly fallen snow as well as the documented contacts and trumps own public appeals to russia.  I am not sure that like most of the past presidents, that while historians look further, we may know more on all parts and sides as time goes on. Time will tell.  The fbi may have had some missteps that they have to answer for but that does not remove the legitimacy of what they were investigating that would have stood on its own had they not made such missteps.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 08, 2022, 11:58:35 am
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Trump undermined his self and the treason was at the end of the term when trying to hold office regardless of what the voters said.

Everything Trump requested after the election with the certification requests was legal (as far as we know right now).  It's been done by democrats too. 

The Duram thing was lost as soon as 3 Hillary supporters, and one AOC supporter along with the one who's daughter was on the rowing team with Sussmans daughter.  BUT, there was some really good info that came out of that trial.  We found out for sure that the Russia hoax came out of the Hillary camp.  We found out that Sussman could let himself into and out of the FBI office because he had a key card.  The FBI had a dedicated space inside Perkins Coie.  We know he billed the Hillary camp after going to the FBI, so yes, he lied to the FBI about his reason for coming to them.

He wasn't convicted, but the info we got out of this was great.  Sometimes the guilty go free.

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The real obstruction of justice committed by trump and laid out in the muller report does not point to trump being as pure as freshly fallen snow as well as the documented contacts and trumps own public appeals to russia.  I am not sure that like most of the past presidents, that while historians look further, we may know more on all parts and sides as time goes on. Time will tell.  The fbi may have had some missteps that they have to answer for but that does not remove the legitimacy of what they were investigating that would have stood on its own had they not made such missteps.

No one said Trump was pure.  Pretty sure none of them (or us) are pure.   :happy:

The FBI is corrupt.  Those were not missteps. They knew very early on that the Russia thing was a lie and they knew where it came from.  To enable their spying they had to keep it going including lying to the FISA court.
  Those were intentional actions taken because they did not like the president.  When an agency is weaponized against political opponents, we are officially a 3rd world country politically.  Those agents take an oath to the constitution, not the Hillary camp or other dems.  I'd be just as unhappy to see it happen against dems.  We have to be able to trust our agencies, especially when the have so much power. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 08, 2022, 12:29:36 pm
Kathy
I will say this, I always find the documentaries on FBI's past actions to be interesting.  Whether it was their look into black churches or the kkk or unions.  Some times they fit society while doing it and then society wakes up and decides it was now wrong.  Interesting anyway.  Most organizations care very much about strengthening their own influence and it is a funny dynamic as you can not have some one who does not care be in charge but need to be cautious of said caring.  It is why some sort of checks and balances have to be built in every system cause of the old saying power corrupts and ultimate power ultimately corrupts has truth to it.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 08, 2022, 12:35:31 pm
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It is why some sort of checks and balances have to be built in every system cause of the old saying power corrupts and ultimate power ultimately corrupts has truth to it.

Unfortunately, the FBI has never had a check on it.  Hoover had so much dirt on everyone that he did what he wanted to do.  Much of it was legal at the time, but certainly sleazy.  If you start an agency with corruption at the core, it is no surprise that corruption would be the norm all the way through.  Corrupt people would recruit and train corrupt people for the top jobs.  You'd need someone to come in and "drain the swam" and that would not be popular in the agency, would it?

BTW, there's another Clinton suicide to report.   :wink:

https://heavy.com/news/mark-middleton/



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 08, 2022, 12:50:27 pm
Draining a swamp by turning it into quick sand does not seem like a great aspiration.  Got to make sure improvement is what you end up with when setting out to fix stuff that may need it.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 08, 2022, 02:13:05 pm
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Draining a swamp by turning it into quick sand does not seem like a great aspiration.  Got to make sure improvement is what you end up with when setting out to fix stuff that may need it.

We'll never know because as Schumer said, ?You Take On The Intelligence Community, They Have Six Ways From Sunday of Getting Back At You? .

And so, they go on as they have except that their behavior is far more out in the open than in the past.  When they went after MLK, as an example, they at least tried to do it under the radar.  When they have gone after Trump people, they have done things like call CNN to witness their raid on an old mans home, or they have grabbed people in airports when asking him to come in or communicating with his lawyer as they had been earlier, would have solved the issue.

Of course, that wouldn't send the message, would it?  "If you are a leftist, we will not bother you.  If you worked for Trump, we will do our best to humiliate you publically so that everyone understands that WE are in charge.".
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 08, 2022, 04:45:41 pm
Kathy
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would have solved the issue.
If you are talking about navarro doing the same thing as many of the others in his stone walling but doing his thumbing of his nose on national tv, the FBI did the right thing getting him at the plane.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 08, 2022, 05:48:48 pm
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If you are talking about navarro doing the same thing as many of the others in his stone walling but doing his thumbing of his nose on national tv, the FBI did the right thing getting him at the plane.

I would agree if they ever did the same thing to dems.  Navarros lawyer had been talking to the FBI.  They could have come to his home as it was right by their office.  They chose to ignore the conversations with the lawyer, which usually would include a request that a person turn himself in (that didn't happen).  they intentionally picked a public place, slapped him in handcuffs, and publically dragged him off.  It was about sending a message.

If you remember, Eric Holder was found in contempt of congress.  Did the FBI haul him off, raid his house, or try to publically humiliate him?  Guess I missed that one.  People actually died because of Holders failures.

Equal application of the law is a halmark of a civilized society. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 08, 2022, 06:13:14 pm
Barr was held in contempt of congress over the holder thing.  The thing you left out was that Navarro was not arrested for refusing respond to a congressional subpoena but to a grand jury subpoena.  It is a different animal although even if it were not, I don't buy the otherism talking point your side always uses to say bad deeds should not be addressed.  If we took that we could say that they let henry hill off and so the 50 mobsters he pointed the finger at should have been let off.  They did come to agreement in the end in the holder case.
If something slips though the crack regardless of motive it can not be an excuse for a race to the bottom and make it right to commit crimes.  If you are saying they should arrest both, that is one thing.  If you are saying one should be allowed to commit crimes cause another was not arrested, that is a not a place we want to be.  Navarro is wrong and let justice be done.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 08, 2022, 08:44:24 pm
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I don't buy the otherism talking point your side always uses to say bad deeds should not be addressed.

You missed the equal application bit in my post.  Otherism is not the point.  We have laws.  We say we are a nation of laws.  We are not enforcing the laws equally regardless of who is involved.  Peter Navarro was indicted by grand jury for contempt of Congress.  Again, rarely done.

But this is not a defense of Navarro.  I am pointing out that we have weaponized agencies that are acting as enforcement for political parties.  You want to arrest people for contempt of congress?  Arrest them all.  You want to drag people out in the middle of the night after calling CNN to make a show?  Do it for all FBI arrests. 

The argument of "otherism" is another way to shut down a conversation just as screaming RACIST, NAZI, or WHITE SUPREMACIST, has become a mechanism to shut people up.

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They did come to agreement in the end in the holder case.

They did, but in the meantime, they didn't drag him off to jail.  Even if they had wanted to force the issue do you think they would have waited until they could grab him in public?  That's what they did with Navarro.  They could have walked across the street and knocked on his door or asked his lawyer to have him surrender.

It may be fine in your world that we have agencies taking political sides and acting like a 3rd word version of the Stasi but you can be sure that if people you support get on the wrong side of them, having a D behind their name won't save them.

 




 



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 08, 2022, 10:11:39 pm
since we were on the subject of equality under the law, I thought this was interesting.

Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman who firebombed a police car.  they could have faced at least 10 years in jail, but it was reduced to 2 and you know they won't serve those 2 years.  In case you have forgotten, they are lawyers.

For 18 months Portland burned every night.  Police buildings were attacked.  Federal buildings were attacked.  There were around 1000 arrests but very few prosecutions.  The Mayor went out and marched with the rioters.  Downtown Portland has never recovered.  People won't go down there.  Businesses have moved.  There are homeless all over the place doing drugs, crapping on the streets, and having sex.

Portland is not alone.  Many cities were attacked over the course of a year or more, and few people were prosecuted.  In fact, our current VP before she was anointed, was encouraging people to donate to the bail funds set up for the rioters. 
dozens of people were killed.  100s were injured including many police.
While pols threatened to jail people for getting their hair done during COVID restrictions, they ignored rioters out every night.

No investigation was done as to the funding, supporting, equipping, or encouraging of these riots, and they were funded and supported.  They were not organic.
Certainly no congressional investigation was done even though many millions of dollars went up in smoke and some cities have never recovered. 

Compare that to the January 6th hand wringing.  Don't get me wrong.  I don't support rioting from anyone.  However, J6 was a 3 hour event in which a small minority of those attending or entering the capital behaved really badly.  Those people should be punished.  The others, who have been arrested, lost jobs, and been persecuted by those who didn't like Trump, committed misdemeanor trespassing that in a sane world might get a fine.  The capitol building is a federal building.  If you are not going to arrest and prosecute rioters who burn and attack other federal buildings you should apply the same standard to the capitol building.

Imagine if a white federal officer had shot and killed an unarmed black BLM rioter during the Portland protests when rioters were trying to burn the federal courthouse with people in it.  do you think there might have been a national outcry, investigation, persecution/prosecution of the shooter, and loss of his/her job?  Yet an unarmed white woman was killed at the capitol and there were no consequences for that action.  She was the only one killed on that day.  She was killed by a black man. 






Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 08, 2022, 11:00:46 pm
I am surprised more were not killed on jan 6.  I mean more on either side depending on how it turned out.  If the protesters had found the wrong representative, I believe the crowd could have made a big mistake.  I have been in at least two situations where crowds scared me when they would have been appalled had they just been by them selves.  I also am surprised that the cops didn't let lose and feel it was a lucky thing.  Stuff you mention.  A crowd of sports fans pulled down the goal post and then moved into town and set some cars on fire just because their collage team won a giant upset over a big twelve team.   People are funny.

However, we are about to see if the 6th was a little more organized then that and basically treason.  I did not miss the equal part of your thread, I have just seen all the justification for doing bad things by the right as if given license.  Or the blaming of others, heck, on jan 6 the rioters and their pushers where not even proud enough of their own actions and from the get go had to try and blame innocent people that they did not like for their actions and some have still not stopped.  If they are talking to each other they want to brag but with everyone else they want to blame.  It hasn't stopped and maybe if they are punished the truth will be forced on them.  So in the end, they are earning what they get.  Have others earned punishment and it does not always happened.  Yep.  Does a white collar thief still get less time or get out of it compared to a petty thief.  That would probably be yes and no as we did see some walk and grabs that just amaze me but I say money does better with better legal help.   

Does a black girl get five years for voter fraud but the trump supporters get probation?

Do kids in schools with resource officers get life long arrest records at a higher rate then those with out?  Is color involved in this also?

We do live in a rule of law and it would be nice if things were perfect and equal.  If they were we would probably get rid of a few laws.  However, even unperfect, it is all we have and in my view, the big instigators should get more then the small fry cause they had more influence and that means responsibility. 

What is on the table now that started these last few back and fourths should have legal consequence if laws are being broken.  I take issue with one other thing you sorta put forth on it being legal on the certifications but at least you put the caveat on it as far as we know as of now.  I agree, time will tell.
Cheers
gww

Ps  I don't follow every law but try and pick laws to break that don't really cause damage or harm to others but more just do what I want and am not greedy.  I don't even think much about what is and is not legal but more just try not to cause real harm and get done what I need.  If you break laws That you know are going to piss others off with, you can sorta expect a little retribution.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on June 09, 2022, 07:48:17 am
>Does a black girl get five years for voter fraud but the trump supporters get probation?

Are you implying that someone should be punished for being a Trump supporter?  Or be punished for protesting?  Voter fraud should be a serious offence.  Supporting a politician should not.  Protesting should not.  So far the protestors are being held indefinitely without bail and without a charge.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 09, 2022, 10:47:09 am
Micheal
Read the previous threads and the parts about using otherism for bad deeds.  I am saying that though the laws may not be always enforced equally, they are all we have.  Jan 6 was an effort to violate the constitution.  An effort to get a dictator over a president to be installed per constitution. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 09, 2022, 12:36:00 pm
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However, we are about to see if the 6th was a little more organized then that and basically treason. 

No public congressional hearing is more than a show.  I don't care which side puts it on.  In this case, they hired a producer to put it together so it's even more than a show.  It's a show by partisans because those who might have had a different POV from the people on the committee were kicked out in favor of a RINO and a girl with daddy issues. 

So no, we are not getting facts.  We are getting what they have chosen to present and that which will back what they want you to believe.

I do agree that crowds can get nasty.  Some of these people did in the beginning.  Very few were violent.  Most were wandering around the building after being let in by the capitol police.  Hard to find a crime in that since the door was held for them.
Go after the violent.  That should be the case always.  The rest were "peaceful protesters".  By the standard of the left, they should be left alone even if they broke the law. 

You should probably look up the definition of treason.

I understand that laws are not always enforced equally everywhere.  People are not perfect and so outcomes will not be perfect.  That is not the same as institutional inequality in the application of the law.  That's what we are witnessing on a national scale, by federal agencies with huge amounts of power and no oversight. 
I don't care how you vote, that should scare you.

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Protesting should not.  So far the protestors are being held indefinitely without bail and without a charge.

This should be tops on the list of investigations when Congress flips.  There are stories out of the jail that you'd expect to hear from Russia.  We bail out murders.  Most of these people did nothing more than trespass.  Certainly far less that the BLM and Antifa rioters. 



Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 09, 2022, 12:54:46 pm
Kathy
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In this case, they hired a producer to put it together so it's even more than a show.
Kathy
On another thread you mentioned the library and being able to discern facts.  It would not matter if a producer broke down stuff to be more understandable, I am still going to be able to discern as fact that it is kevin maccarthy  on tape talking about fact searching for answers if I hear it, as say one example no matter who I hear it from.  If it is your preconceived notion that you would not watch it cause you do not think you can under the presentation  be able to pick which parts are bull and which are real, you should probably not watch and just stay in the dark.  I believe in agenda but also believe that facts are facts.
Cheers
gww

https://examples.yourdictionary.com/what-is-sedition-comparing-it-treason-insurrection
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 09, 2022, 01:26:46 pm
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I believe in agenda but also believe that facts are facts.

I hope you enjoy the presentation.   :cheesy:

You are going to get what they chose to show you.  If you believe you are going to get facts, that's fine.  I have watched enough of these public hearings and presentations to take any of them with a grain of salt.  The fact that they felt they had to hire someone to produce this rather than them just presenting the info, is kind of amusing.

Most people have lost interest.  It was a 3 hour event that happened 18 months ago.  People are occupied with other things, like gas prices, food prices, housing costs...
  To bad they are not so excited to see that the law against protesting in front of Justices homes is enforced, but none of them would be unhappy to see Kavanaugh killed, would they?

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 09, 2022, 01:40:49 pm
They arrested the guy and charged him with attempted murder after him calling the cops on himself after seeing beefed up security that was authorized with a bipartisan vote and yet you choose to see and present it like you do.  But yes even with your presentation. I can see the facts of the matter. I am not scared to read what you chose to show me just cause it was you who wrote it :happy:.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 09, 2022, 02:18:33 pm
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They arrested the guy and charged him with attempted murder after him calling the cops on himself after seeing beefed up security that was authorized with a bipartisan vote and yet you choose to see and present it like you do.  But yes even with your presentation. I can see the facts of the matter. I am not scared to read what you chose to show me just cause it was you who wrote it

That's true.  They have not arrested the protesters even though they are breaking the law.  The guy found the address because one of these leftist groups posted it online.  Nancy is blocking the bill in Congress to fund better protection.  Democrats are backing the protests even though they are illegal.

Do you think they would do the same if Republicans were protesting in front of Kagans home?  would they give a Republican senator a pass for inciting violence against a left wing Justice as Schumer did?

Would the left be upset if one of the conservative Justices was killed?





Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 10, 2022, 01:14:03 am
Hi Folks,

When laws are not enforced uniformly,... they are merely *GUIDELINES*.

Also: Young people are dying of a MYSTERIOUS SYNDROME!

Gee! I wonder what it could be?    covid vaccine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10895067/Doctors-trying-determine-young-people-suddenly-dying.html?fbclid=IwAR0K6yQ-9wmqZbGuuHu98QHVL4MGhHgrEE6VMztsgu9B3RXp9CkyIPcMSA0

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on June 10, 2022, 07:17:45 am
>Jan 6 was an effort to violate the constitution.

I have seen no evidence of that.  None.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 10, 2022, 09:48:13 am
I watched reruns of The X Files.

Better premise. More conceivable.

PRIME BLANKING TIME??????????????????????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????

Are these maroons lawmakers or are they celebrities?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 10, 2022, 10:17:58 am
I'll be interested to see the ratings over time.  It was on here at dinner time and no one I know watched it.  Too early for people to be home from work, or right when people were getting home.   

I might have DVRed it except that 1. I hate the public hearings and the grandstanding and 2.  There was no one on that committee to question anything other than the approved narrative.  You don't get good and honest results with group think.

Meanwhile, in the real world...the new inflation numbers are out. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on June 10, 2022, 07:43:53 pm
When it came on, all channels, we just switched to Netflix and watched a movie.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 11, 2022, 08:23:16 pm
You know the tune! All together now!

FIVE DOLLAR GALLON OF GAS AT THE PUMP.
FIVE DOLLAR GALLON OF GAS.
YOU STUPID SCHMO. YOU VOTED FOR JOE.
FIVE DOLLAR GALLON OF GAS AT THE PUMP.


Sal




Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 11, 2022, 10:21:19 pm
How soon we forget.
https://uspirg.org/sites/pirg/files/reports/1%20Year%20Later-%20Comparing%20Pre-Pandemic%20Prices%20to%20Today%27s%20on%20Amazon%20%281%29.pdf
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 12, 2022, 11:27:52 am
When you have a lot of people after specific products, and there are too few of those products, prices go up.  It happens with anything. If it happens in one sector or with one product, it's no big deal.  You wait until the manufacturer of that product catches up to demand...Unless it's a Playstation.  In that case, they keep supply tight on purpose I think  :cheesy:

 Overall inflation happens when you have too much money (too many people) chasing too few goods, regardless of the reason.  That's why pumping trillions of dollars into a recovering economy was stupid.  On top of that stupid decision, was the decision to contract our production and distribution of petroleum products.  That not only impacted the US, but the entire world.  They we have supply issues even if the products might be available. 
Two huge mistakes we made here.  Dumping money into the economy and leaving interest rates so low for so long.  The last mistake that has been going on for a long time was QE.  Now the Fed is going to tighten up supply and back off QE so the stock market is going to tank down to where it should have been if the Fed had not been propping it up.  It's going to hurt a lot of people who were counting on that 401k income without understanding that the market was mostly fake for the last couple of decades.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 12, 2022, 01:25:21 pm
Kathy
I agree with your last sentence for sure and could add bit coin to it.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 13, 2022, 02:16:36 pm
All the questions ask last year about binall senate testimony were answered today by trump appointees and family members  if you watched any other new channel but fox.
Cheers
gww

Ps My mistake, guess fox changed their mind and aired it live.  There is still netflix I guess.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 13, 2022, 07:17:01 pm
I was not home to watch anything.  The point of having opposition people on a committee is that they ask hard questions.  The "republicans" on the committee will not ask those questions.  Nancy would not allow the ones on that the republicans wanted and I don't know that something like that has ever happened before.  But hey, Nancy is all about the power, so it's not surprising, and no one in her party would stand up and say that what she did was wrong. 

I don't know why you go on about FOX as many times as you have been lied to by the other networks.   :wink:  OH, and they didn't change their minds, they were not going to interrupt prime time for a staged performance.  They always air other hearings in one place or another.  There are always several ways to watch as there were with the performance.  FOX business had it live and FOX nation aired it streaming for free. 

I am sure the committee is presenting exactly what they want the public to see.  I don't think it matters much.  There are plenty of questions that might matter but those won't be asked by these folks.  That's OK because with any luck, most of them will be gone or irrelevant after the election.  People don't care about the Jan 6th stuff.  They care about putting food on the table and fuel in the vehicle. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 13, 2022, 07:44:04 pm
Kathy
I do agree with you on what many people worry about. I do think they might also think about what could be since it is the same world wide and we are doing pretty good in comparison to the rest of the world.  I wonder if they look at those countries that have autocratic governments where the people no longer have a choice for change and if those countries are doing much better for the little guy then ours is. :wink:
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Michael Bush on June 14, 2022, 09:17:46 am
>Nancy would not allow the ones on that the republicans wanted and I don't know that something like that has ever happened before.

Completely unprecedented.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 14, 2022, 09:34:15 am
Hi Folks,

How can I put this simply?

Gas prices, right now, are entirely TRUMP'S FAULT.

Obviously, if Trump were still president, they would not be so high!

What don't you understand?

Sal

 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 17, 2022, 07:05:41 am
Hi Folks,

We don't really need this,... do we?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-faucis-covid-infection-means

Lies! Lies! Lies! Where is the truth?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 19, 2022, 08:34:53 pm
Hi Folks,

Just read this:

Consumer prices are accelerating faster than at any time since the early 1980s. The average 30-year mortgage rate is approaching 6 percent, the highest in 14 years. The stock market is melting down.

And here?s the kicker: Times will most likely get tougher before they get better.

As the Federal Reserve drives up interest rates in a high-stakes bid to bring down inflation, more people will be out of a job. Real wages (adjusted for inflation) will stagnate or fall. Businesses will fail. People who can least afford it will take the biggest hit.


WOWZA!  Let's go Brandon!

We mustn't be too hard on that poor old sap. Who's behind the scenes?

HEY! I almost forgot! Who thinks this is GREAT? Don't be shy out there. Not all at once now.

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 21, 2022, 07:20:28 pm
Hi Folks,

Every blinking day.......

I just *copied* this to paste it here. Is this a BIG LIE????? I'm not so sure.

From Telegram and Truth Social...
 
After a deeper dive on the impeachment debacle, the webs of corruption are  more intertwined than I thought. Ukraine is the keystone. Ukraine has the goods on EVERYTHING.

Back in November 2019, Trump was speaking in an hour long interview on Fox and Friends. He claimed the DNC hid the server with a company in UKRAINE. See quote below:
?A lot of it had to do, they say, with Ukraine. They have the server, right? From the DNC ... they gave the server to CrowdStrike ? or whatever it?s called ? which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian, and I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI has never gotten that server. That?s a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company??

This is a rhetorical question from Trump. Of course he and Military Intelligence knew everything behind closed doors, but as soon as he publicly started talking about Ukraine, the Dems launched their impeachment scam, shortly followed by releasing C19 on the world just a month later, and thus they were able to hijack the narrative, and everyone forgot about the Dems? dirty dealings in Ukraine.

2.5 years later, with more pieces to the puzzle, we can see the DNC set up an entire puppet government in Ukraine and have been using the nation as a proxy to carry out acts of global bioterrorism. Now it makes more sense as to why they sent the crowdstrike server to Ukraine, because Ukraine was a proxy government fully subservient to the Deep State. Fully outside the scope of US government oversight and jurisdiction, yet still in control of the Deep State players.
 
Ukraine was clearly the Deep State stronghold for the DNC. All the dirty bleep they couldn?t get away with here in America, they just sent it to Ukraine. Just like they did with the Crowdstrike server, human trafficking, drug trafficking, money laundering, unethical medical experimentation, biological weapons production. Just send it over to Ukraine, and the US government can?t do anything about it without using military force.

Now it?s starting to make more sense as to why specifically the Democratic politicians in the US were the ones most concerned that Russia might move into Ukraine. As well as to why, out of nowhere, the left-wing and globalist politicians worldwide began publicly worshipping Ukraine. Why Joe Biden and the US establishment are sending tens of billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine. Why the western media complex wants you to believe Putin is literally Hitler.

All of it is because they are desperately clinging to power, and Ukraine is the stronghold for all of their Deep State activity since around 2014. Ukraine is the Deep State Keystone.

If Ukraine falls, the Deep State falls. Putin is gunning for the head of the snake.

-Clandestine



Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 22, 2022, 12:50:32 am
All based from the mouth of trump.  Maybe you should watch the jan 6 hearing and you may not be as susceptible to thinking he might always tell the truth.  Just so you know, our government did not give military aid to Ukraine with out republican votes though there was a minority of republicans that seemed to support russia when the vote was taken.  Us voters always seem to send a few fruit cakes to represent us though right now the right seems to be trying to corner the market.  I see the russian propaganda on texas succession has gained a bit of ground and maybe they will take a vote on it that will have no meaning just the keep the fringes excited.
Cheers
gww 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on June 23, 2022, 08:38:23 am
Hi Folks,

GWW. Turn your car keys over to your kids. You can have tapioca tonight.

HEY! A little bit of fun for a change!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxN7Vr5aeU0

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 23, 2022, 07:25:55 pm
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All based from the mouth of trump.  Maybe you should watch the jan 6 hearing and you may not be as susceptible to thinking he might always tell the truth.  Just so you know, our government did not give military aid to Ukraine with out republican votes though there was a minority of republicans that seemed to support russia when the vote was taken.  Us voters always seem to send a few fruit cakes to represent us though right now the right seems to be trying to corner the market.  I see the russian propaganda on texas succession has gained a bit of ground and maybe they will take a vote on it that will have no meaning just the keep the fringes excited.

Nope, off of Hunters laptop and from his business partners.  Trump was absolutely right about what Biden was doing in Ukraine.  What we didn't know was how bad it really was.  Biden was protecting a criminal so that his son continued to get paid and then "The Big Guy" could get his cut.  We also didn't know all that Hunter was doing in China and other places.  The whole thing deserved a criminal investigation because it's far worse than anything Jan 6th related and has implications for current actions by this admin.

I would watch the Jan 6th hearings if there was any balance.  One side is being presented to you so once again you are being fed an unchallenged narrative.  I would have thought you'd have learned by now  :wink:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 24, 2022, 12:11:28 am
Kathy
It is being presented by republicans as most of the witnesses are republican insiders.  Can't believe left and can't believe right that only leaves Q and such.  I take my chances with what is being given up by your side.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on June 24, 2022, 08:51:18 am
I would watch the Jan 6th hearings if there was any balance.
What a laugh.  You are not watching the hearings because republicans close to Trump are throwing him under the buss and testifying under oath what a criminal he is.  The only thing that prevented this countries collapse is the threat of the DOJ walking out.  My hat goes off to these people, many of them republicans upholding the constitution.  I wonder if they were conservative?
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 24, 2022, 11:16:56 am
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It is being presented by republicans as most of the witnesses are republican insiders.  Can't believe left and can't believe right that only leaves Q and such.  I take my chances with what is being given up by your side.

Presented by hand picked by Nancy republicans who already were in line with whatever the left wanted to do.  You are getting hand picked info from those hand picked leftists.

As many times as we have proved you and your leftists wrong, you still are willing to take what you are fed.  Amazing.

This is about Trump.  I get that.  They want to make sure he doesn't run again.  While they are doing this 3rd impeachment, they are missing many of the important questions that also should be asked, and would have been asked if there had been anyone on the panel that wasn't into getting Trump.
For this reason, the hearings are useless because the more or at least equally important questions are not included.  + this is basically a trial with no defense allowed.  Only those who are going to say what the committee wants put out are being heard.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 24, 2022, 11:25:21 am
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What a laugh.  You are not watching the hearings because republicans close to Trump are throwing him under the buss and testifying under oath what a criminal he is.  The only thing that prevented this countries collapse is the threat of the DOJ walking out.  My hat goes off to these people, many of them republicans upholding the constitution.  I wonder if they were conservative?

Into mind reading now!  Impressive   :grin:

I am not watching for the reasons I stated.  One sided investigations with edited info are worthless.  Apparently, most of the country feels the same as few are watching.  IF they had put the people on the committee that were supposed to be on it, it would have been interesting.  The left would still have been in charge and able to get their message out (Orange man bad), but there would have been more questioning of what was presented and more questions about what happened in general.
  As it is, it's boring, no new info is really being presented, no smoking gun of criminality, and no challenges to info that might have made it interesting.  Only videos of what they want you to see are presented even though there are 100s of hours of video available.  No one on the committee to ask about that stuff.

One last thing that still kinda shocks me is that Schiff, who has been caught lying more than caught telling the truth, is in any way involved in this.  That's another thing that I think made people turn it off.  Even the left knows what he is.  Having him on there shreds whatever little bit of credibility there might have been.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 24, 2022, 12:36:22 pm
Kathy
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Only those who are going to say what the committee wants put out are being heard.
Although this is true, what those republican insiders, most who were appointed by trump, are saying is damming no matter what other thing could be said.  Just cause you may not like the message, it does not make it untrue and it is being said by trump supporters who were in the room.
Cheers
gww

Ps defense is a two way street and you could consider much of this as defense of the voter fraud lie spouted as many of the unsupported claims where debunked by the people who do have an investigatory ability and were trump people to boot.  So it seem to be willful blindness to not recognize such and just ignore what the truth might be no matter the method.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 24, 2022, 01:45:26 pm
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Although this is true, what those republican insiders, most who were appointed by trump, are saying is damming no matter what other thing could be said.  Just cause you may not like the message, it does not make it untrue and it is being said by trump supporters who were in the room.

So far I see differences of opinion and no broken laws.  Do you think the committee would put anyone on that would disagree with those they picked?

Do you think that in other admins there might have been internal differences of opinion that we never heard about?

There were crimes on that day.  Punish those who committed them.  There were plenty of mistakes.  They are not addressed in this "investigation". 
And then, apply the law equally.  The DOJ has dropped over 70 federal cases involving violence and attacks against federal property and officers just in the Portland area.  They were not small trespassing charges.  They were things like arson, assault, and other federal charges against violent ANTIFA thugs. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 24, 2022, 10:40:40 pm
Kathy
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no broken laws.
Maybe you are right though a federal judge that released Eastman's records said in the ruling that trump and Eastman more then likely broke several laws.  They just raided Clark's home which had to have a judge rule to allow it.  Rudy has lost his law license so far.  I guess time will tell.  I can't really see how nothing will happen but I did watch the hearings. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on June 25, 2022, 08:47:55 am

So far I see differences of opinion and no broken laws.
Because you refuse to open your eyes to the facts that are in front of you.  I saw this in action with my daughter when I visited her in Reno.  She was watching ABC (why IDK) and as soon as testimony of a close trump follower came on she turned the channel.  Made me laugh.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 26, 2022, 12:21:05 am
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Maybe you are right though a federal judge that released Eastman's records said in the ruling that trump and Eastman more then likely broke several laws.  They just raided Clark's home which had to have a judge rule to allow it.  Rudy has lost his law license so far.  I guess time will tell.  I can't really see how nothing will happen but I did watch the hearings.

If they have the evidence, they should charge him.  so far, everything that has been alleged against Trump turned out to be wrong and he was right.  Judges have allowed all kinds of things and some of those things were allowed because the FBI  lied to them. 

This is about keeping Trump from running again.  That's it.  They don't care about anything other than that.  He is not approved and he made Lizzy mad by dissing her daddy. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 26, 2022, 12:21:54 am
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Because you refuse to open your eyes to the facts that are in front of you.

Have honest hearings and you have my attention.  Have a one sided political show and it's not worth my time. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 26, 2022, 01:10:32 am
kathy
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If they have the evidence, they should charge him.
They may charge him and they may not just because of politics more then crime committed.  I do remember however how you took the position that the jan 6 riot was not a riot because they were only charging trespass though now we see they are charging insurrection and do already have at least one guilty plea.  I do have thoughts on this and that is with money people that commit crimes have a better defense and some times the guilty do get away with stuff and also the justice can be slow.  It took nine years to convict serial killer Charles Ng.  Normal divorces probably average two years to complete. 
Time will tell. 

From what I seem to see, it would be an injustice if they did not charge him but I did watch what his aides and appointed lawyers testified happened.  It can not be that he should be free to try ruin peoples lives and put them at risk at harm for his selfish hold against the will of the voters and do so with bad intent and no proof.  Who gets to pick that it is ok for certain person to hurt other people with out merit especially since said certain person was more then willing to push punishment for others.  He was more then willing to sick supporters on others many time by name and with out proof and he should have to take his punishment. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 26, 2022, 11:33:13 am
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They may charge him and they may not just because of politics more then crime committed.  I do remember however how you took the position that the jan 6 riot was not a riot because they were only charging trespass though now we see they are charging insurrection and do already have at least one guilty plea.  I do have thoughts on this and that is with money people that commit crimes have a better defense and some times the guilty do get away with stuff and also the justice can be slow.  It took nine years to convict serial killer Charles Ng.  Normal divorces probably average two years to complete.
Time will tell.

No I d id not.  I took the position that the Jan 6th riot was a riot, not an insurrection.  I also took the position that people should not be locked in jail with no bail and for a year (at that time) for a misdemeanor.  No one has been charged for "insurrection". The worst charges are seditious conspiracy against some of the Oath Keepers. 

I agree that court cases can take a long time.  Even with the most serious crimes people are rarely kept in jail until trial unless there is good case to think they will take off, or commit more crimes.  They are rarely jailed for more than 24 hours for a misdemeanor charge.  Some of these people sat in jail for months with no charges against them.  The FBI has been going around the country rounding people up just because they were in the capitol building. 

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From what I seem to see, it would be an injustice if they did not charge him but I did watch what his aides and appointed lawyers testified happened.

What law do you think was broken?

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He was more then willing to sick supporters on others many time by name and with out proof and he should have to take his punishment.

Examples?  And laws broken.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 26, 2022, 01:36:19 pm
Kathy
I am not a lawyer but could come to the conclusion that insurrection is a ten year sentence and sedition is a 20 year sentence and both can be true in concert with each other.  However, I take your point on actual fact that it was sedition conspiracy that was charged and as such, your post is more precise then mine.

One example was trump claiming fraud against specific poll workers with no proof or thought of impact against poll workers cause it would gain him.  When the fbi did the same by putting out a name as the Boston marathon bomber, it was proved to be wrong by a large settlement to the defamed person.   There are enough people that saw in real time that I do not feel compelled to make a list cause most already know the bullying tactics and probably think it is just as fair when his flaws are addressed if it is done with truer facts then met his standard which he used against others.

Hopefully a jury of his peers will get a chance to decide on his attempted theft and grift, including grift from his own supporters.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 26, 2022, 09:50:04 pm
I think you are thinking of the Atlanta bomber.  Richard Jewell was named but was not guilty. 

If people are guilty of breaking some law, then by all means prosecute them.  Do not imprison people and leave them there as a political statement. If murderers and rapists are entitled to post bail, then certainly trespassers should be able to do the same, don't you think?

My only argument with the entire process is that it is not equally applied.  Dozens of deaths from the BLM and ANTIFA riots.  Many millions of dollars in damage.  Police attacked.  Federal buildings were attacked.  Most of the cases dropped.  Many not investigated at all. 

As for Trump, if there is a crime they should charge him.  I said the same during both impeachments.  This is not about crime.  This is about politics.  Those not ordained by the powers that be, are not allowed to become president.  If somehow that happens because the pesky people outvoted the ordained, then it certainly can't be allowed to happen again.

Trumps personality is not my type, but the fact that he scared the intel agencies so badly that they knowingly participated in promoting lies for years ought to make us all wonder what they don't want to be exposed.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 26, 2022, 10:00:19 pm
Kathy
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I think you are thinking of the Atlanta bomber.  Richard Jewell was named but was not guilty.
Again you are correct.  I am getting worse and worse but always was more of an over view guy. 
Cheers
gww

Ps  I can't lie.  It was trump that scared me in his ability to rule and his over all disregard for any other authority.

I realize justice is not always perfect or I would not be the only one getting a speeding ticket when traffic as a whole is moving faster then the posted speed.  However, to me, seeing the small guys getting nailed and the big guys that orchestrate getting a pass is also just too hard to swallow.  I agree with the crack guy that gets 30 years compared to the coke guy only getting three when it is a very similar crime as being a wrong thing.  There are all kinds of stuff like that.  Still, trump was bad and should not get a pass.  Doesn't mean my view will win but it would be justice and having things to throw up to in an otherism fashion is just a race to the bottom where no bad is addressed.  We could discuss what the proper crime should be for burning down a building but that would be a different discussion which in no way would absolve trump from doing right or wrong.  He still had his choice and the investigation is showing what that choice was and the mechanic he used to exercise that choice.  Only time will tell if there is justice.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 26, 2022, 11:16:04 pm
but there has to be a crime, not just a "I don't like what the guy said".

Go back to the beginning.  Before he was sworn in, they were talking impeachment.  Based on what?  What if the FBI had not pushed the Russia collusion lie?  What if the intel people had not lied, many under oath, with no consequences.  What if they had not lied about Hunter and the Russia misinformation thing?    Why is the FBI raiding press and investigative organizations to keep Bidens daughters diary away from everyone?  How is that a federal issue?  Why did the secret service show up to try and take Hunters gun application from the dealer?  What could be the reason other than to cover up a felony? 
Everything was and is based on lies from various intel agencies and people.

I am not trying to convince you to like Trump.  I'd have to convince myself first  :cheesy:.  I just want you and others to think things through from beginning to end.  It all stinks.  It was stinky from the start.  We may never know the entire story, but we sure are getting enough pieces to understand that what we were told was a lie.  If that was a lie, why trust what we are told now by the same actors? 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 27, 2022, 12:21:31 am
But it was not the same actors that told trump the election was not stolen.  It was white house lawyer and his appointed intel and his appointed agency heads and advisors and the supreme court and yet he raised a quarter billion from his supporters on the lie to a fund that did not even exist plus many other actions to overturn real voters votes. 

You guys bring up hunter and blk and antifa.  Heck michael as well as senator gates from day one said it was antifa that attacked the capital when everyone could see who did it and they all had internet feeds and were bragging in real time. The things in this second paragraph have little to do with the above.

It has nothing to do with like or dislike but more to do with did he break the law.  I have disliked many that I do not think should be in jail due to just dislike.  I have liked some who did end up in jail and that is where I think they really should be.  I liked one guy but still believe he should not have killed somebody to steal their money (different story).

Funny thing about impeachment.  What did trump or any president think?  Did he think I need to try and not give them something to hang their hat on?  That is not what he did, the other side wanted to impeach the guy in on all the presidents and trump was dumb enough to provide them fodder to chew on.  Your side is just dyeing to impeach biden and making such threats.  So what?  Nature of the beast.  Checks and balances.

If trump gets tried, it will have been his actions that caused it.  Lies could not make him do illegal stuff. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on June 27, 2022, 08:51:52 am
Based on what?
He comes from a gangster family, is a con man in every sense of the word, has no regard for the rule of law, or the constitution, conducts himself as a narcissist who is above the law, was truly not fit for the presidency and should have been removed but congress did not do their job.  The republican party has given up their long standing principals for an once of power.  Time will bit them in the butt.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 27, 2022, 11:31:35 am
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But it was not the same actors that told trump the election was not stolen.  It was white house lawyer and his appointed intel and his appointed agency heads and advisors and the supreme court and yet he raised a quarter billion from his supporters on the lie to a fund that did not even exist plus many other actions to overturn real voters votes.

So if a law was broken, charge him.  now I sound like a broken record   :grin:  I am sure plenty of people told Hillary she lost but she spent 4 years talking about how her election was stolen.

You guys bring up hunter and blk and antifa.  Heck michael as well as senator gates from day one said it was antifa that attacked the capital when everyone could see who did it and they all had internet feeds and were bragging in real time. The things in this second paragraph have little to do with the above.

Perhaps, but there were agitators in the crowd.  We have that on tape too.  For some reason, they were not rounded up with the others, and that's a question that an honest investigation would look into.  why were some people chased down for things like trespassing, while those in the crowd inciting violence were not. 

It has nothing to do with like or dislike but more to do with did he break the law.  I have disliked many that I do not think should be in jail due to just dislike.  I have liked some who did end up in jail and that is where I think they really should be.  I liked one guy but still believe he should not have killed somebody to steal their money (different story).

Charge him if he broke the law.

Funny thing about impeachment.  What did trump or any president think?  Did he think I need to try and not give them something to hang their hat on?  That is not what he did, the other side wanted to impeach the guy in on all the presidents and trump was dumb enough to provide them fodder to chew on.  Your side is just dyeing to impeach biden and making such threats.  So what?  Nature of the beast.  Checks and balances.

Impeachment is not a check and balance.  It is a remedy for high crimes and misdemeanors.  In neither case did they have anything that met the bar of high crimes and misdemeanors.  One was based on a lie that was supported and enhanced by the FBI and the other not only didn't come close to impeachable but turned out to be right.  Biden and son were involved in Ukraine and very possibly in a criminal way.  Biden did interfere in their government for the benefit of his son...and himself.
I don't think they'll impeach him.  He's doing that to himself already.  I do hope that they will investigate the entire family because it is the poster family for corruption.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 27, 2022, 11:33:25 am
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He comes from a gangster family, is a con man in every sense of the word, has no regard for the rule of law, or the constitution, conducts himself as a narcissist who is above the law, was truly not fit for the presidency and should have been removed but congress did not do their job.  The republican party has given up their long standing principals for an once of power.  Time will bit them in the butt.

You know that when you make declarative statements I am going to ask you for examples.

Kennedy came for a gangster family.  Should he have been held accountable for his fathers wrongdoing?

As for the rest, I'd be pleased to read you supporting comments.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on June 27, 2022, 12:01:24 pm
Kathy
Doubt we agree in our out look of subject matter but I do appreciate your paying attention to things we both lived through in the probably similar years of our life and your willingness to discuss.  I am sure I am a bit lazy on that discussion as it is a bit of work but some fun also.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 27, 2022, 02:24:06 pm
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Doubt we agree in our out look of subject matter but I do appreciate your paying attention to things we both lived through in the probably similar years of our life and your willingness to discuss.

Lol.  The good thing about having some age on us  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on June 28, 2022, 08:32:12 am
In neither case did they have anything that met the bar of high crimes and misdemeanors.
In Trump's case the bar of high crimes and misdemeanors was decided by an election instead of the supreme court which in now politically motivated.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Acebird on June 28, 2022, 08:43:42 am
You know that when you make declarative statements I am going to ask you for examples.

There are so many laid out for you, some of which has been videoed but you refuse to watch the examples and the testimony so why would I waste hours of my life at such an old age proving something you will not accept?  The world over rejoiced when Trump lost.  Their only hesitation is the 38% of Americans that are still delusional.
There is a very good fictional program that I recommend  for you and Phil to watch "Handmaids Tail".  It is written as fictional but turns out very real for current events.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on June 28, 2022, 11:54:27 am
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The world over rejoiced when Trump lost.
  some might have rejoiced.  Wonder if they are rejoicing now?  I have been overseas during a couple of our primary and federal elections.  Rarely does our reporting about what others think, match what I have heard on the ground. 

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There are so many laid out for you, some of which has been videoed but you refuse to watch the examples and the testimony so why would I waste hours of my life at such an old age proving something you will not accept?
I asked for examples.  Again you refuse to supply them.  Selectively presented video does not do it, although again, where is the crime to lay on Trump? 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on July 11, 2022, 10:18:23 am
Hi Folks,

The worm turns.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/great-awakening-continues-ve-vil-not-eet-ze-bugz-klaus?fbclid=IwAR2fafirhThOOkIFZMqLr2sJNC-P53CNambai4kCzphs6c9ooDhQMhvU1xM

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on July 12, 2022, 12:30:17 am
Hi Folks,

This guy... JUST WANTED TO BE LOVED!"

https://airmail.news/issues/2021-12-4/loving-lies

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on July 14, 2022, 10:08:10 pm
Hi Folks,

Covid review:

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-safe-and-effective-narrative?fbclid=IwAR1-KuORQIuwrdJPqEJlLkTZLAjrtQF4C4Dy-Hz0YhHUa9gbW8z3yI4CM_g

Ya know,.... covid is increasing in Massachusetts. If you go just by the counts, everyone in Massachusetts has had covid at least 4.7 times.

Funny,.... I still feel fine!

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on July 18, 2022, 08:29:50 pm
Hi Folks,

Even Dan Rather had to apologize:

CBS News anchor Dan Rather apologized during the network?s evening broadcast Monday for a ?mistake in judgment? in reporting a story challenging President Bush?s military service.

But that was then. This is NOW.

Pulitzer Board Refuses Donald Trump?s Request To Rescind Prizes To Washington Post, New York Times For Russian Interference Coverage

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pulitzer-board-refuses-donald-trump-s-request-to-rescind-prizes-to-washington-post-new-york-times-for-russian-interference-coverage/ar-AAZIBku?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=835cbf26849c4567b3fa11fadc3ccdd3

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on July 22, 2022, 10:16:07 am
Hi Folks,

And the beat goes on:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6309853994112#sp=show-clips

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 06, 2022, 04:31:28 pm
Hi Folks,

I have no idea whether any of this is true or not. It's just something that landed on my computer this AM.

Brittney Griner; Dear Mrs. Griner, We hope this letter finds you in good health and we understand you are having some rough times in your life.

We are a group of old Vietnam Combat Veterans from North Carolina. Our average age is around seventy years old. We call ourselves, The Bunker Boys. We spent a lot of time living in rat and snake infested holes in the ground known as Bunkers. When we were not in the bunkers we were crawling through the jungle being shot at and shooting back at little people wearing black pajamas.

We must be honest and tell you that the only thing we may have in common with you, is that we too, were drafted. We noticed you were drafted number one in the WNBA draft a few years ago.  Since we all were drafted we thought we might let you know what it was like when we were drafted. Unlike you, most of us had no college. The people of the United States drafted us.

We consisted of all colors, religions and personal beliefs. We had no choice of which team we played for; Army, Navy, Air Force or Marines.  We were sent halfway around the world to fight and kill people we didn?t know in a place we had never heard of. We were paid, we know you can relate to this, $3.00 a day and required to work 24 hours a day if needed.

When we returned home many or most of us were treated very badly by our fellow Americans. We were spit on, hit by bottles and rocks as the police stood by and watched. We did not complain, we just continued on in life and made the best of it. We fought for God, family, country and of course, the Flag and the National Anthem; a poem that was written by, of all people, a lawyer. He wrote the poem as he watched bombs fall on and kill fellow Americans. Ever since that night, our nation has played that little poem before millions of social functions. For some people it?s just a little song. For a Veteran it is a reminder of how many men and women of all colors, have given their life so the rest can have the right to be free.

We found in our research that you requested the National Anthem not be played at sporting events. We find it odd that now you are requesting the citizens of the United States to pay for your release from a jail in Russia.

Yes, we the taxpayers are paying for all of those diplomats working on your release. Our Government told you, and all fellow Americans in Russia, to leave Russia after the invasion of the Ukraine. You play basketball in a country that is known to treat Americans badly. You fly a great deal and must know by now, all the rules of what one can bring into a country.  All of us that travel know the rules for entering a foreign country. You are a guest and must go by the rules of the land.  By your own admission, you were attempting to bring an illegal substance into a country that is known for its long prison sentences. You had to know this because you are making a million dollars a year to play a game and hold a college degree. At six feet nine inches tall, you know that security officers are going to focus on you from the moment you stand in the boarding pass line. We also noticed that you are now saying you placed the drugs in your luggage by accident. Please, that is something an 18 year old would say.

We also found out that your net worth is somewhere around $ 5 million bucks for playing a game. For old guys like us, living on a fixed income, that?s a lot of money for just playing a game. Don?t get us wrong; we are not against you. We all went and fought so all Americans can have the freedom to make their own choices. We just hope the next time you have to endure the playing of that little poem, you will pay close attention to the, ? Land of the free,? part. 

Wishing you the very best, The Bunker Boys

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Bill Murray on August 06, 2022, 07:02:55 pm
Thanks Sal.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on August 06, 2022, 07:39:22 pm
Thanks Sal.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 07, 2022, 03:35:48 pm
IDK if that letter is true, but long before our country spends its political capital on here, it should be getting the former Marine out of Russia and anyone held anywhere else.  We can worry about her later.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 09, 2022, 08:59:22 am
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/marco-rubio-fires-warning-to-biden-over-trump-mar-a-lago-raid/ar-AA10sBl8

Sal

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on August 09, 2022, 09:40:01 am
We are now acting like a third world country.
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 09, 2022, 10:42:30 am
Maybe we are a safer nation now that our secret national security papers might be a bit more secure now then just relying on someone who could not be trusted and did not volunteer on his own to turn them over.  The fact that there are elections every four years could not be a shield against the danger that not protecting top secret documents might mean for our nations security.  Perhaps this is why the law that applies was passed long before donald trump came on the scene.  Thankfully such laws might keep us from the slide to becoming a third world country from threats of wanna be dictators that care not for the will of the people.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 09, 2022, 11:22:48 am
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Maybe we are a safer nation now that our secret national security papers might be a bit more secure now then just relying on someone who could not be trusted and did not volunteer on his own to turn them over.  The fact that there are elections every four years could not be a shield against the danger that not protecting top secret documents might mean for our nations security.  Perhaps this is why the law that applies was passed long before donald trump came on the scene.  Thankfully such laws might keep us from the slide to becoming a third world country from threats of wanna be dictators that care not for the will of the people.

That could be said of past admins and officials.  Hillarys emails. The DNC computers.  Clinton operatives taking things from the national archives.  The Clintion foundation pay for play.  Biden admin pay for play and being compromised in his actions with China.  His brother, son, and associates involved in shady activities.  His son not arrested for the multiple laws he's broken.

This was about keeping Trump from running again.  He knows what they have done and in a second term he'd go after the intel agencies with both barrels.  They are corrupt and they don't want exposure. 

Might Trump still have some documents that he should have turned in?  Sure. Probably most have left with things they should have left behind.  Is an FBI raid on the last and perhaps future president the way things like this are usually handled?  Of course not.  There are all kinds of ways to negotiate this kind of thing.  They did what they did publically in the same way they arrested with great fanfare and press present, former Trump associates.  Old men who were going nowhere raided in the middle of the night or grabbed in airports when the agents could have walked across the street and asked him to come in.

You cheer now.  You should be afraid.

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 09, 2022, 11:51:11 am
A guy that spent two year saying lock her up should for sure know better.  Hillery did sit for depositions and lose an election and now it is trumps turn and I doubt saying she is guilty is going to make him innocent but maybe dumber as he is the one that highlighted the issue so well.  Which one did he believe, the lock her up or the innocent one.  I guess actions speak louder then words.  It is lucky he was not around cause if he knew they were coming with a judge approved warrant, Mara largo might be having some big plumbing problems right now.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: BeeMaster2 on August 09, 2022, 01:27:36 pm
One question that must be asked, we?re the documents really classified?
We know that we cannot trust anything the FBI does so why would you believe what they say?
Jim Altmiller
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 09, 2022, 01:31:44 pm
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A guy that spent two year saying lock her up should for sure know better.  Hillery did sit for depositions and lose an election and now it is trumps turn and I doubt saying she is guilty is going to make him innocent but maybe dumber as he is the one that highlighted the issue so well.  Which one did he believe, the lock her up or the innocent one.  I guess actions speak louder then words.  It is lucky he was not around cause if he knew they were coming with a judge approved warrant, Mara largo might be having some big plumbing problems right now.

No one raided Hillary, her home where she kept her server, or the foundation.  She still ran for office even though she "mishandled" classified material. 
  Again, this is not about documents.  It's about the intel agencies desperate to keep Trump from running again.  Remember, much of what we now know about their activities and lies, we didn't not know during the Trump admin, or until the end.  Trump would be after them if he got back into office.

Let's try this another way.  The FBI has had Hunters laptop for years.  Enough of what was on that laptop became known before the election, to show that there was illegal stuff going on with Hunter and some of Bidens family, if not Biden himself.  What if Trump had ordered a raid on Biden properties before the election?  What would the press and you be saying?  Biden may again run against Trump. looks like he's trying to take out a political opponent.
Trump was right about most of what he said about Biden, his family, and the intel agencies.  The FBI would have been completely justified in doing that because they knew better than we, what was on that laptop.

Some years ago, I would have come down on the side of the FBI until proved wrong.  I no longer give them the benefit of the doubt because they have proved themselves untrustworthy.   
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 09, 2022, 01:44:21 pm
As I was wandering the 'net today...and check the date.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/10/crisis_at_the_national_archives_137241.html
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 09, 2022, 03:06:33 pm
Just remember, director ray was appointed by trump and it would not surprise me if it was mark medows or some other close to trump that flipped to give the impetus for the FBI to go to a judge with enough probable cause of crime and what might be found to issue a warrant.   

All these threats from the right and crying political is with them not really knowing what might be there and just shows that their goal is for only one side to have to be governed by law. 

To say the left is for defunding the police is funny when the right is more then willing to try and destroy the FBI rather then recognize their beloved leader might actually be committing real crimes. 

This is two branches of the gov. saying with action that there is probable cause that trump committed a crime and we are to believe that trump is just being picked on? 

Trump always tells the truth and cares about laws right?  I beg you to just remember he denied stormy danials all the way until checks of his payment with his signature was produced.  I do not blame him for trying to use political tactics to try and confuse the issue of his crimes but do believe if he committed crimes that were not just bad judgment while trying to do a hard job, and did so while not caring that he was committing a crime, he should have a higher punishment due to the higher responsibility and better position for those crimes to have bigger effect, I would blame him for that. 

It always come down to a race to the bottom with trump.  Rather then having a position that punishment should fit the crime, the position seems to be promoted that any crime my guy does is justified cause somebody else "seems" to be getting away with something.  Just so you know, the FBI guy that lied on an affidavit against trump did get punished for breaking a law.  He should not break the law and nether should trump.   Having some system to bring people actions inside the law is not political but needed and forever running for something can not remove all windows of actions or efforts for enforcing legitimate laws. 

Just remember, hillery no longer has a gov phone or is governed by laws that require her to retain emails, trump, even though ask to return stuff, still had stuff that the FBI hauled off yesterday.  This would indicate on going crime that needed stopped.  Surly you can see a difference.

Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 09, 2022, 03:13:42 pm
Jim
I do not know if the documents were classified or not and somehow missed your question.  I do know that to get a judge to approve the warrant, it took a crime and a probable cause of what would be found and that there was little chance of getting what was found in any other fashion. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 09, 2022, 06:24:22 pm
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I do not know if the documents were classified or not and somehow missed your question.  I do know that to get a judge to approve the warrant, it took a crime and a probable cause of what would be found and that there was little chance of getting what was found in any other fashion.

Like the FISA warrant issue based on lies?  You are using the same line used for that debacle. 

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This is two branches of the gov. saying with action that there is probable cause that trump committed a crime and we are to believe that trump is just being picked on?

Yes, a partisan congress and a JD run by the guy who would have to run against Trump if he ran again and if Biden is still upright by then.

You are missing all the points here.  I get that you don't like Trump but all of this from the beginning is far bigger than Trump.  This is our intel agencies weaponized against political rivals.  Remember, they wanted to go after parents who questioned school boards and education plans.  The IRS was used against conservative groups during the Obama years.  The FBI has not equally enforced the law.  If you are a dem, you get a pass or your misdeeds (the laptop) are hidden.  If you are a Republican, you get a midnight raid and your door bashed down, or you  get arrested in public when it was not necessary to do so. 

You can defend them all you want, but a partisan JD and intel can just as easily be turned on you and yours.  It needs to be cleaned up.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 09, 2022, 07:46:30 pm
Kathy
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Like the FISA warrant issue based on lies?  You are using the same line used for that debacle.
Making a factual statement concerning the rules required for a ruling from the judicial branch gets this response from you?  I just stated a fact and was using no line.  If you get proof of some kind that a lie was used then show it but until then it is the conclusion of two branches of gov. one of them headed by a trump appointee.

Like always, you don't take the position based on trumps actions you just throw out hot button issues to keep supporters on your side.  The end result of what you are doing is basically saying it is fine if trump takes records that belong to the people and it is ok if some of them might be secret and it is ok for him to decide how to use them even though he has no position to justify any use for the peoples gov records.  It is ok if he shoots somebody on fifth avenue cause he is on my side.  Nobody whose job it is to pursue justice of any one on the right should do their job cause big bird was supporting vaccination on sesame street.  Yes, I get your position but do not think it adds up to justice and believe it points fingers at someone who's assignment may only be this case and right or wrong with these facts and have nothing to do with big bird.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 09, 2022, 09:08:50 pm
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Making a factual statement concerning the rules required for a ruling from the judicial branch gets this response from you?  I just stated a fact and was using no line.  If you get proof of some kind that a lie was used then show it but until then it is the conclusion of two branches of gov. one of them headed by a trump appointee.

The rules require that the person going to the judge be honest about the basis for the warrant they are wanting.  Since we already know that the FBI has no problem lying to get warrants, why should I not ask the question?  I am not sure why the appointment of the person is an issue.  I will be the first to tell you that I think Trump made mistakes in that department.  He should have fired them all and started over.

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Like always, you don't take the position based on trumps actions you just throw out hot button issues to keep supporters on your side.  The end result of what you are doing is basically saying it is fine if trump takes records that belong to the people and it is ok if some of them might be secret and it is ok for him to decide how to use them even though he has no position to justify any use for the peoples gov records.  It is ok if he shoots somebody on fifth avenue cause he is on my side.  Nobody whose job it is to pursue justice of any one on the right should do their job cause big bird was supporting vaccination on sesame street.  Yes, I get your position but do not think it adds up to justice and believe it points fingers at someone who's assignment may only be this case and right or wrong with these facts and have nothing to do with big bird.

I don't need people on my side, whatever that means.  I am pointing out that our system has been weaponized against a particular ideology and in this case, a particular person.
I say now as I have always said, that law applied unequally is not law.  This had to have been approved at the highest levels of Justice and they had to have known that this was going to be a SS.  They had other avenues for this as they had with other high profile arrests that they engineered.  This is about influencing people like you, not people like me.
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 09, 2022, 09:17:31 pm
We have another issue here and this is a part of it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-ally-rep-scott-perry-says-fbi-seized-cell-phone-one-day-after-mar-a-lago-raid

This is not the first time the FBI has done something like this, but I don't recall them doing it to a sitting member of Congress.  There are 3 co-equal branches of government.  Here we have one agency under the Executive branch going after a sitting member of another branch, Congress.  They'd better have some really good stuff going on to justify what they are doing, but it's looking more and more political especially in the way they are choosing to confront people. 

Does anyone want to posit what would have happened if this had been going on under Trump?  Pretty sure the old "Hitler" dictator thing would be liberally tossed around. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 09, 2022, 09:34:09 pm
Kathy
People do lie.  The last one that lied on trump to a judge was punished.  This should give comfort in the system. This is probably in the current peoples mind and may deter them from repeating the same mistake.  The system was strong enough to find this kind of stuff.  That said, not everyone having an enforcement job, lies, like is being implied. 

The right is fighting with out even knowing what the facts are yet.  They are claiming lying based on history but leaving out the history where there was truth.  This is being done not on any proof yet.  Nothing wrong with looking for truth on all sides. 

I believe it is true that the FBI removed things from trump and believe that we will learn more of what that was and those facts can not be discounted based on any prior facts in other stuff.  The facts that will have to be addressed are going to be related to this fact pattern on this case. 

If it turns out trump did not have any records or other incriminating stuff, that will pan out.  If he did have incriminating stuff, you can not blame it on ideology as it was trump that did have it.  He did not have to have it.  He did have months to clear it up and did not.  No way you can blame others or the past for that.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 09, 2022, 09:43:11 pm
Kathy
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This is not the first time the FBI has done something like this, but I don't recall them doing it to a sitting member of Congress.
Of course they have when laws are being broken.  As they should.
https://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/21/jefferson.search/index.html
Cheers
gww

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 10, 2022, 11:41:50 am
Lol.  I had forgotten about that one.  Thanks.   :grin:

What laws do you think were broken here and if laws were broken, why did they not arrest him rather than take his personal phone?  Did they need to?  Phone records can be had with a warrant. 

If you want to keep this Jan 6th stuff going you need to keep doing stuff like this in public rather than the way they would usually do it.  But hey, we are no longer a republic.  We are now ruled by unaccountable, unelected, thugs. 


Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 10, 2022, 12:34:13 pm
You say this was done in public and for the coverage.  Again, you are mixing facts.  Both on the warrant to trump and the phone thing, the truth is that trump and perry were the ones that notified the press.  Maybe the press would have found out at some point but it was not in this case that they found out from law enforcement.  Trump and perry seem to be experts as trying to play the victim and it works because people want to believe them and so just discount real facts.  This is the same with I think clark where the news only found out what was going on with a sealed warrant by him filing a public case over it in court.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 10, 2022, 04:28:31 pm
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You say this was done in public and for the coverage.  Again, you are mixing facts.  Both on the warrant to trump and the phone thing, the truth is that trump and perry were the ones that notified the press.  Maybe the press would have found out at some point but it was not in this case that they found out from law enforcement.  Trump and perry seem to be experts as trying to play the victim and it works because people want to believe them and so just discount real facts.  This is the same with I think clark where the news only found out what was going on with a sealed warrant by him filing a public case over it in court.

You are where I was 10 years ago.  :grin:  I would have defended the FBI and other agencies as you do.  I am not there anymore.  The FBI is a politicized and failed agency.  It appears that it has been corrupt since its founding.  Leaders mentor those with like minds so the corruption continues.

But if it makes you feel better to believe that these ever growing agencies have your best interest at heart, you keep that belief. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 10, 2022, 05:37:16 pm
I do not believe prosecutors are not effected by politics.  My view would be that sending fake electors should have been fraud but I don't see anyone in jail.  On the other side, running for office based on a 90 percent conviction rate seems to be an incentive to not be running based on justice served as conviction rate has nothing to do with justice.  I knew a guy that had a warrant to search his house based on the cops saying they found seeds in the trash.  When they found out he did not live there the seeds no longer mattered and they did no search of who did live there.  I get your feelings but do agree that my feelings are that some rich people that I can see have did things that would cause jail in most, just keep trucking and avoiding prosecution.   Just because I believe justice should be blind does not make it so.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 10, 2022, 07:22:48 pm
Hi Folks,

Who here besides Gee Dubya-Dubya would believe anything resulting from the raid?
This from the leftwing Huff & Puff Post:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-launches-conspiracy-theory-that-fbi-was-planting-evidence-at-mar-a-lago/ar-AA10wRfh?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d928fa37d1fd45d6bc4832a08bc28cc6

Good for you, Donald Trump.

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 10, 2022, 07:42:22 pm
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This from the leftwing Huff & Puff Post:

No one has reason to trust them.  The Whitmer kidnapping thing was another proof of that.  If the FBI wanted to do this in a way that would end this kind of questioning, they should have had Trumps lawyers observing rather than keeping them outside.  They invited this kind of questioning with their actions and their prior actions.

Even the left is having issues with the way they are behaving.  Clear thinking people are getting pretty nervous about this stuff no matter what their political leanings. 
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 10, 2022, 10:20:45 pm
Knock Knock!

Who's there?

IRS faces online uproar over special agent job posting requiring ability to use deadly force 'if necessary'

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 10, 2022, 10:35:12 pm
All hits,... all day long:

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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 11, 2022, 01:00:44 am
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Title: Re: Big Lies
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Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: salvo on August 11, 2022, 01:03:57 pm
Hi Folks,

Gee Dubya Dubya. Stop voting.

Whole Foods CEO John Mackey ?concerned? that ?socialists are taking over?

Sal
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 11, 2022, 01:34:26 pm
Sal
Nothing new under the sun.  Same guy that was so wound up that heath care might be passed more than a decade ago.  I am sure that big business may not like new policies as well as they liked the 2 trillion dollar tax cut they got but they do not seem to be doing so bad as their profits seem better then wage growth for normal people, poor guys.  Keep voting for the richest, as I am sure that is in you best interest.  Sorta like the turkey inviting himself to thanksgiving dinner.
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 11, 2022, 03:15:30 pm
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Nothing new under the sun.  Same guy that was so wound up that heath care might be passed more than a decade ago.  I am sure that big business may not like new policies as well as they liked the 2 trillion dollar tax cut they got but they do not seem to be doing so bad as their profits seem better then wage growth for normal people, poor guys.  Keep voting for the richest, as I am sure that is in you best interest.  Sorta like the turkey inviting himself to thanksgiving dinner.

It's great that you understand how tax breaks work.  Businesses or people getting to keep more of their own money!  Business expands.  More people work.  More money in the system and more revenue to the governments!  I was beginning to despair that people did not understand the vast benefits of tax cuts as opposed to subsidies.
 Now subsidies are indeed evil.  That is money taken from people and businesses and given to someone or a business that did not earn it.  You can do that for a while and you can do more of it if the economy is good.  But, as Thatcher said, at some point you run out of other peoples money.

The Whole Foods guy is right to be concerned.  At this point, it seems there is no limit to the generosity of the government. 





Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 11, 2022, 04:04:46 pm
I can see your position.  Need to keep as much money as possible in the big guys pocket.  Of course this was the same reasons bush used when expanding Medicare and making it illegal for them to negotiate drug prices.  It was good for the people right? Stimulated experimentation right?  Why worry about those pesky stock buy backs that happen instead?  I do understand the old tired trickle down theory.  I do understand why some big industries may not appreciate this administration.  Not sure I understand your support so hard for it except maybe the Kool-Aid make you think you are them.  I see no problem with a business making it but am not sure stacking the deck for them against the consumer is the right way to help them.  Business has no reason to complain as these days compared to history they are making a much higher percentage of profit compared to their workers then ever.  It is not the little mom and pop business making out in this as most of them are in my position.  The whole food guy was wrong a more than decade age and is wrong now.
Cheers
gww

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 11, 2022, 05:02:12 pm
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I can see your position.  Need to keep as much money as possible in the big guys pocket.  Of course this was the same reasons bush used when expanding Medicare and making it illegal for them to negotiate drug prices.  It was good for the people right? Stimulated experimentation right?  Why worry about those pesky stock buy backs that happen instead?  I do understand the old tired trickle down theory.  I do understand why some big industries may not appreciate this administration.  Not sure I understand your support so hard for it except maybe the Kool-Aid make you think you are them.  I see no problem with a business making it but am not sure stacking the deck for them against the consumer is the right way to help them.  Business has no reason to complain as these days compared to history they are making a much higher percentage of profit compared to their workers then ever.  It is not the little mom and pop business making out in this as most of them are in my position.  The whole food guy was wrong a more than decade age and is wrong now.

I would rather see a business able to keep more of its own money than see the government subsidize things like green energy.  If green can't make it on its own, it should not be propped up.  I'll also point out to you that some of the wealthiest companies are very leftist in their politics.  Of course, most of them don't actually produce anything.

This administration is ruining the economy.  I know from the companies my kids work for that they are tightening employment because they anticipate a deepening recession.  Spewing out government money is damaging in a number of ways, and particularly damaging right now.

One of the things that has helped big business is the mandated increase in most states in the minimum wage.  Rasing the minimum wage absent market forces is always damaging.  Doing it during a slowdown or recession, as is happening here as the incremental increases continue, is nuts.  It has a number of impacts. 
It contributes to inflation, but worse, it hurts small businesses.  Costco, as an example, got a lot of praise a few years ago for raising the wages of employees.  They were held up as an example of what a "good" company does.  Costco didn't do it because they care about the employees.  They could afford to do it and then absorb the business of the small bakery or meat shop down the road that couldn't keep up with rising wages. 

Small business is most hurt by leftist policies, not tax cuts.  Wait until this IRS expansion is in swing.  The IRS is not ever going to waste lots of time in court against the lawyers of the few billionaires that leftists want to "pay their fair share", whatever that is.  They always go after the easy targets that can't afford to fight them.  The easiest and most lucrative targets are small businesses.  I have several friends that own small businesses and they have all been audited more than once. 

The Whole Foods guy is correct.  The government earns nothing and produces nothing.  Everything it spews out comes from what it has taken.  Since 1/2 the country does not pay federal taxes, that means they take it from the rest of us who do.  If you confiscated the entire wealth of those billionaires that they go on about, it would not pay for government largess. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 11, 2022, 06:09:16 pm
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They could afford to do it and then absorb the business of the small bakery or meat shop down the road that couldn't keep up with rising wages.
When I built a restaurant I took a loan on my house to do it.  When walmart moved to town they were given the land and infrastructure.   Supplementing green energy may end up saving supplement money as we have always supplemented oil, farming and tons of other stuff. 
Cheers
gww
Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: Kathyp on August 11, 2022, 07:04:53 pm
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When I built a restaurant I took a loan on my house to do it.  When walmart moved to town they were given the land and infrastructure.   Supplementing green energy may end up saving supplement money as we have always supplemented oil, farming and tons of other stuff.

Some states do that.  Mine has done that with a number of businesses.  I don't know if anyone has been given land, but they certainly got tax breaks.  Nike was a big one some years ago.  The government will do that because their calculation is that revenue will flow from the business and the number of people hired.
I am not defending that practice.  That's a local issue.

I am saying that if the government allows people or business to keep more of what they have earned, they are doing something that has proven over and over to stimulate the economy and increase employment.  It is their money.  They are not being given MY money.

We do not supplement oil companies.  this is another lie of the left.  They do get a lot of tax breaks and writedowns.  They also spend billions in exploration and development and bring in billions in revenue and product. 

What the left is doing is not a tax break for green stuff.  It is a direct subsidy.  they tried this before and the companies failed costing the taxpayers billions.  Solyndra alone cost the taxpayer 1/2 a billion dollars.  You want to give a working green company tax breaks then fine, do that.  The federal government has no business supporting with our dollars a company that can't prove it is worth it. 

I can't think of any green stuff that is actually green.  We are just paying for different forms of pollution and giving money to China for the privaliage. 

They might try fixing the grid before they try to hook more stuff to it and to unpredictable green energy.  OR, do the logical thing along with fixing the grid, and build nuke plants.  Clean, reliable, and we know that they work. 

Title: Re: Big Lies
Post by: gww on August 11, 2022, 07:55:19 pm
I have been involved in a few tax subsidies dealing with the auto industry but It makes my head hurt to day too much to feel a push to get into it.  Just isn't worth it right now.  I don't disagree with every little thing you typed but also stick to some of my previous positions.  Maybe latter though.
Cheers
gww