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yes2matt:

--- Quote from: William Bagwell on August 12, 2020, 08:25:59 am ---Interesting list! Agree with most of it and too new to quibble about the
rest. Aw, when has that ever stopped me :wink:

Knowing the method of varroa management is important for at least one reason.
When adding diversity they should have different mechanisms. Be kind of
foolish to buy bees / queens from five different sources that all use the
same method when you do not (yet) know which one(s) will work best in your
location.

Speaking of which just how do you tell? Aware of a pin prick test, but think it is more for hygienic in general and not varroa sensitive hygienic (VSH) Also looking for evidence of damage to fallen mites. What is the cheapest way to look, will a hand lens work?

Personally word rather have just a propolis hive or two rather than all of them. But understand your reasoning since it is supposed to be healthy for the bees. Pollen is good and plan to run a trap next year.

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Sorry it took long to respond.

I'm imagining mite load to be tested by sugar roll or alcohol wash. I've always done sugar roll in the past but our state guy has a method of sampling and drenching in the field then counting and accounting in the comfort of his kitchen. I haven't tried it yet.

Propolis is by the bees for the bees, I harvest propolis off the edges of frames when I can't fit them in the box. I want bees that make/find a lot of propolis. Some guys select against a gummy hive, I think it's better.

I don't plan on buying bees. Maybe for a side project or a curiosity,  but not as part of a continuous operation. I only bought one nuc to start, and then I bought a couple TF queens but that's the sum total of my bee purchases.

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William Bagwell:
Apologies for the ragged word wrap up above! Often compose in my email client and usually remember to fix the resulting alternating long / short lines.

Was referring to mite management by the bees, not the beekeeper. Currently just counting mites on sticky boards. At least on the hives I can.

Started in March with a nuc from a multy-year TF beek. Long story short, it swarmed, caught same and also made a split from the original hive. Split and swarm are doing fine. Original hive not so much... June I bought out another TF beekeeper who was moving out of state. Six hives, five with bees. All five are doing great and the three I can monitor have very low counts. (Two are top bars...)

Like you I hope I never have to buy bees again. Do plan to buy a few queens for diversity hence my question on how to tell which mechanism they are using. And might buy another bargain if one comes my way. Oh, one of the June purchase is supposed to be VSH and does have the lowest count. Rest are caught swarms and I forgot to ask if they were his swarms or not.

100% chemical free and aspire to be 100% treatment free in the future. Do have an MMK thermal as a backup to minimize losses the first few years until I get everything dialed in.

yes2matt:

--- Quote from: William Bagwell on September 27, 2020, 10:04:53 pm ---Apologies for the ragged word wrap up above! Often compose in my email client and usually remember to fix the resulting alternating long / short lines.

Was referring to mite management by the bees, not the beekeeper. Currently just counting mites on sticky boards. At least on the hives I can.

Started in March with a nuc from a multy-year TF beek. Long story short, it swarmed, caught same and also made a split from the original hive. Split and swarm are doing fine. Original hive not so much... June I bought out another TF beekeeper who was moving out of state. Six hives, five with bees. All five are doing great and the three I can monitor have very low counts. (Two are top bars...)

Like you I hope I never have to buy bees again. Do plan to buy a few queens for diversity hence my question on how to tell which mechanism they are using. And might buy another bargain if one comes my way. Oh, one of the June purchase is supposed to be VSH and does have the lowest count. Rest are caught swarms and I forgot to ask if they were his swarms or not.

100% chemical free and aspire to be 100% treatment free in the future. Do have an MMK thermal as a backup to minimize losses the first few years until I get everything dialed in.

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I think if you had a line of bees and you were pretty sure they were managing mite pressure and wanted to know how, an observation hive and lots of time will be the ticket. Maybe a magnifying glass, definitely a pen light.

My bees, I expect during later summer to have patchy brood nests. I've seen them hauling pupae out the front door, and I'm only surmising that this is varroa/virus management. There's positive and negative management of that behavior on my part (sometimes the colony numbers get small and I intervene by putting them in a smaller box). Which is something I've learned to do.  I think if I had to learn to manage bees that were of multiple strains and had different behaviors it would set my head to spinning (which bees are these? what are they going to do next month?)

Have fun keeping your bees!

Michael Bush:
http://www.bushfarms.com/beeswholebee.htm

Bob Wilson:
Interesting, Michael. I am just beginning to think on these issues.

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