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Re: Not good news
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2023, 06:36:39 am »
>If CO2 would double we would have massive increases in temperatures leading to many deaths...ice melting...glacier disapearing even faster...sea levels rising.

Simply not true.  CO2 level has been much higher than that many times in the past.  Plus, CO2 is a very weak greenhouse gas.  Whenever they try to make this case they ignore the biggest greenhouse gas by far, water vapor.  It goes something like this, "other than water vapor, CO2 is..."  which discounts everything that follows.  The fact is we can't make any significant difference in CO2, but if we could, we should increase it.

CO2 is a trace gas (0.04% of the atmosphere) upon which all life on this planet is dependent.  It's not even close to 0.1% let alone 1%.  Last time it went down, (which it does periodically)  it was near the death of all plants.  The idea that it is a "pollutant" is beyond ludicrous.
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Re: Not good news
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2023, 08:16:45 am »
>If CO2 would double we would have massive increases in temperatures leading to many deaths...ice melting...glacier disapearing even faster...sea levels rising.

Simply not true.  CO2 level has been much higher than that many times in the past.  Plus, CO2 is a very weak greenhouse gas.  Whenever they try to make this case they ignore the biggest greenhouse gas by far, water vapor.  It goes something like this, "other than water vapor, CO2 is..."  which discounts everything that follows.  The fact is we can't make any significant difference in CO2, but if we could, we should increase it.

CO2 is a trace gas (0.04% of the atmosphere) upon which all life on this planet is dependent.  It's not even close to 0.1% let alone 1%.  Last time it went down, (which it does periodically)  it was near the death of all plants.  The idea that it is a "pollutant" is beyond ludicrous.

CO 2 is not poisonous....until you get too much of it. " 3  times" is too much - so science says.

I'm not sure when CO2 was higher in the past in the US.. here we can look back https://earth.org/data_visualization/a-brief-history-of-co2/

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2023, 12:33:25 pm »
They have done a lot of research on how much CO2 causes plants to thrive and no harm to humans.  The sweet spot is 0.12%  At 0.24% it does no harm, but doesn't do better than 0.12%.  If you want to stop the greenhouse effect you have to get rid of water vapor.  And surely we all know what a bad idea that is.
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Re: Not good news
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2023, 12:55:03 pm »
Honestly, one of the nails in the coffin for me about the whole CO2 thing was this image from NASA.

This is a satellite overlay from 2016 of the actual CO2 concentrations over the US, NOT an averaged-out global map.  You see, CO2 is heavier than O2 and N2, and it doesn't mix well in the atmosphere, so far from creating a blanket over the whole earth, CO2 actually just exists in high concentrations in pockets.  So using the laws of thermodynamics, which say that heat will flow toward cooler areas, the CO2 in the atmosphere can't possible be trapping heat, because there are huge holes in the "blanket".  Even supposing that CO2 does have a warming effect where it is concentrated, that heat will just flow out to cooler areas, with less CO2, which means it can't possible be warming the whole earth.   
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2023, 07:15:26 pm »
Well this is just part of everything I have read on the subject since I was being told we would all freeze to death. I guess that was before global warming, then climate change. Ive just given up trying to follow the renaming and associated end of the world nonsense. There are things that contribute to global warming much more than co2 or methane. If it works graph include.
How about we work on the ones at the top of the list.

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2023, 07:16:36 pm »
HA, Ha it worked.

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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2023, 06:23:43 am »
You left out the hole in the ozone layer that was going to end us all.  Yes we were headed to an ice age in the 80s.  Acid rain was going to kill us in the 70s.  The ozone problem in the 90's.  Global warming (which never happened) in the early 2000 and now that it didn't warm up, it's climate change.  There has been extreme changes in the climate throughout history and prehistory.  Some, like the dust bowl, were even partially man made.  But the dust bowl was mostly caused by the assumption that climate doesn't change.  We had a decade or more of wet weather and when that ended we got a dust bowl because we assumed it would last forever and then we had decades of drought.
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Re: Not good news
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2023, 10:57:14 pm »
15 years while a good chunk of time for a human life is insignificant to the life of the planet regardless of whether you believe the earth has existed for millions of years or thousands. There is a constant flux of nature, the ebbs and flows the pendulum swings. While the drop my be significant over the last 15 even 50 years we can't say with certainty that we arent at a high point and therefore a drop to be expected much less be able to pin a cause on it to stop it. Even of we could stop it "science" is plagued today by people who don't ask whether we should do something, only whether we can, the assumption being that if we can and think it's good them it should be done. There are always unintended consequences, nobody can predict all scenarios to our actions.
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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2023, 12:34:47 pm »
I have said before, here on BM and everywhere the topic comes up. The honeybees are well looked after by the beekeeping industry.
The focus of the public and concern for the -save the pollinators. / save the bees- needs a complete paradigm shift to putting all that attention on the native species.  I have been saying this for 15 - 20 years.
When the lid goes back on, the bees will spend the next 3 days undoing most of what the beekeeper just did to them.

 

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