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requeening many queen right hives using queen cells
The15thMember:
--- Quote from: TheHoneyPump on March 23, 2022, 12:13:16 am ---That is just what we do, always done. Kill and move on. What else would we do with 10-100-1000 dead queens? Pockets soon get pretty gross if keeping them all.
When she is dropped in the hive, the bees soon know within minutes that shes dead and a ball of bees will reconstitute (cannibalise) what they can from her carcass. I have no observation evidence to support if new queen acceptance is better, though some folks claim so.
If she is tossed in the grass, pretty much the same thing happens. A ball of bees soon pile on and do the same out there. Takes the hive a bit longer (hour or two) to realize they are queen-less.
If one wants to save the carcass for the dead animal farm collection, go for it.
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Thanks, I understand. I was wondering about the difference between in the hive and out of the hive.
Michael Bush:
You can find the old queens if you like. Or just put the cells in. If you want the best take, remove the old queen. Next best, put the cells above an excluder with the queen below,, or if you don't know where she is, put the queen cell in the brood nest, where it is more likely to be kept warm etc. Without finding the old queen acceptance is probably going to run about 80% or so. Finding the old queens first and removing her it will likely run more like 90%. Nothing is 100%...
jwchitwood:
Realizing you have long been done with your changeover. I wanted to share my experience for posterity. When re-queening a hive with an attitude problem. I like to cage the queen for a week prior to introducing a queen (mated or unmated) or cells. This makes sure that the hive has no eggs to raise a queen with the offending genetics.
Ben Framed:
Posted by: TheHoneyPump
<<on: March 23, 2022, 12:13:16 am >>
"Some thoughts. Take what you like. Leave what you dont."
"If your goal is to change-out genetics. Particularly aggressive africanized genetics. Then you MUST use mated queens from a known source. Reason they must come mated is because the aggressive genes are traced to be transmitted by the drones."
✔️ Agreed
Phillip
Michael Bush:
I have often fixed a hot hive simply by offing the queen and letting them raise a new one. So I don't agree. The circumstances that cause a hot hive are more complex than just genetics. I have often requeened a hot hive and they were perfectly behaved a week later.
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