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I have been invited by a farmer to place hives on his soybeans and cotton. I have read that some commercial beekeepers place bees on these crops to enjoy a second major flow in one season. I read an article of a large beekeeper here in the south section of my state that places hives throughout the Mississippi Delta and on up into the Arkansas Delta with great successful honey crops. Are there any keepers here that take advantage of this bonus honey crop?
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Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2020, 01:34:47 pm »
Does he spray pesticide?


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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2020, 02:45:25 pm »
What kinda beans he plant?  I think a lot are self pollinating.

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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2020, 07:42:16 pm »
Cotten honey was tasty.  Tried some last year

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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2020, 11:31:19 pm »
You might check with him to see if he sprays or grows organic. According to the National Wildlife Association-
? Cotton is one of the most chemically intensive crops in the world. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, 84 million pounds of pesticides were applied to the nation?s 14.4 million acres of cotton in the year 2000, and more than two billion pounds of fertilizers were spread on those same fields. Seven of the 15 pesticides commonly used on cotton in the United States are listed as ?possible,? ?likely,? ?probable? or ?known? human carcinogens by the Environmental Protection Agency. And cotton defoliants are ?the most toxic farm chemicals currently on the market,? says Fawn Pattison, executive director of the Agricultural Resources Center, a nonprofit organization dedicated to reducing the use of harmful pesticides.?

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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2020, 11:35:04 pm »
You might check with him to see if he sprays or grows organic. According to the National Wildlife Association-
? Cotton is one of the most chemically intensive crops in the world. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, 84 million pounds of pesticides were applied to the nation?s 14.4 million acres of cotton in the year 2000, and more than two billion pounds of fertilizers were spread on those same fields. Seven of the 15 pesticides commonly used on cotton in the United States are listed as ?possible,? ?likely,? ?probable? or ?known? human carcinogens by the Environmental Protection Agency. And cotton defoliants are ?the most toxic farm chemicals currently on the market,? says Fawn Pattison, executive director of the Agricultural Resources Center, a nonprofit organization dedicated to reducing the use of harmful pesticides.?

Thanks Seeb, these listings are a big part of why I posted this topic. I am hopeful it can successfully be done without poisoning bees or harming humans, otherwise there would not be so many commercial keepers taking advantage of this great flow?.

I have ask about this here more than once but so far have not had a response from an actual keeper as far as I can remember that honeys cotton, yet driving through the delta at certain times of the year one can see bee apiarys all over the delta.  Yes cotton is treated for bo-weevil. But, from what I understand the cotton stalks produce a nectar Well AFTER the bloom and bo-weevil time. I am wanting to know if this is the safe time to place bees?  Also defoliants are sprayed After the cotton crop is made, I feel sure keepers have their hives long gone Before defoliants are used.  These hopes are only just that for me at the present because I am illeritate when it comes to cotton honey producing. I am hoping someone here knows how to safely manage bees for these crops and chime in. Again thank you Seeb, much appreciated.

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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2020, 06:49:25 am »
In Australia BK's keep well away from cotton, a lot of bees have died from getting too close to cotton and the sprays, One BK lost 400 hives that flew a long way to get to cotton.
Soya beans are dependant on the variety as to whether they yield any honey.
I would rather find some alfalfa that is being grown for seed and get some honey and be paid for the pollination. You still have to be talking to the grower as to what they use if they have to spray for heliothis, green caterpillars. There are some bee friendly sprays that are applied at night.
We have got honey from sunflowers in summer, only a short flow but the grower does get a yield increase from bees.
Clover pastures will yield a honey. light but tasty and bee safe.

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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2020, 06:04:55 pm »
I really appreciate the responses and suggestions that have been replied thus far. I have taken the liberty to send the following to a bee researcher at a major university expressing my desires and concerns about this subject. I will share that sent email with you all. I hope to get a response soon and if I receive permission from the researcher, will share the answers with you all. Thanks friends.

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Dear Ms Sheridan,

My name is Phillip Hall. I live in the Northern part of my State, Mississippi. I would like you assistance in the form of advice.

I am a small beekeeper. I have a friend which is a friend of farmers.  My friend helps with beaver problems which at times can be over bearing for some of the fabulous farmland in our area. He has informed me that I have been invited to place my beehives on some of these wonderful cotton and soybean sites.

Although I feel honored at such an invitation, I am apprehensive and cautious as I am completely Illiterate when it comes to this subject of the mix of honeybees, cotton, and soybeans.  I very much would love to take advantage of the second nectar flow but have reservations. My main concern would be the survival of my bees 🐝 and the effect of  herbicide and pest control.

My second question is what are the best varieties of both cotton and soybeans which  are productive for nectar and honey.

Can you please tell me how I can safely place my hives in such areas without the fear of eradication of these hives dealing with and coinciding with pesticide. I feel certain that this may be safely done as driving through the delta at certain times of year, honey bee apiaries are a common sight. Any help and advice will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Phillip Hall
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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2020, 07:23:03 pm »
Thanks Phillip, I look forward to his reply. 

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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2020, 11:51:37 pm »
You had me at beavers :cheesy:  let us know what they say.

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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2020, 01:35:42 pm »
For those of you who are interested, I have received response information from DR.Jeff Harris from Mississippi State University. First I will introduce you to the bee team there. His response will be at the bottom.

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Dear Mr. Hall,

My research associate, Audrey Sheridan, asked me to answer some questions for you.  I have copied those questions from your email, and I answer each in paragraphs that follow.

Although I feel honored at such an invitation, I am apprehensive and cautious as I am completely Illiterate when it comes to this subject of the mix of honeybees, cotton, and soy beans. I very much would love to take advantage of the second nectar flow but have reservations. My main concern would be the survival of my bees 🐝 and the effect of  herbicide and pest control.
 

Answer:  You're concerns about placing bees in high ag environments is well founded.  There is no such thing as zero risk from pesticide exposure in these areas, but you can mitigate the risk to some extent.  However, there is always risk.  Part of the mitigation is to place them as safely as possible to avoid drift of insecticides crops directly onto the hives (see question 3).  The placement of your bees is your best protection, but knowing the farmer or grower and having a dialog about when and what chemicals are typically sprayed is also important.  Many commercial beekeepers accept that they will almost certainly lose some foragers during spray events because both cotton and soybeans COULD be sprayed for insect pest control while the plants are in bloom.  This risk is especially high in the Delta because the insect pest pressure is so high there.  Both of these crops may be sprayed 6-8 times in a season in the Delta, and the same two crops may only be sprayed 0-2 times to control pests outside of the Delta in the hill country.

 

I know beekeepers who chose non-Delta ag areas to get summer honey on cotton and soybean.  I also know commercial beekeepers who chose the Delta and are willing to assume the greater risk.  It all depends on your stomach ? just how much risk are you willing to assume.  You as the beekeeper must understand that you are assuming that risk ? so you need to educate yourself about which pesticides harm bees the most.  For example, is the farmer/grower going to spray a foliar neonicotinoid?  If so, this is a high risk situation for the bees because the acute toxicity of these chemicals is so high for bees.  Perhaps the farmer can choose a less toxic chemical to control the same pest insect.  If so, your risk is lower.  Here?s what experience tells me ? your best protection from exposure to drifting insecticides is your initial placement of the bees on the farm because you are not likely to move the bees in the middle of the blooming period of the crop (some beekeeping protection guides suggest moving your bees away from the crop before a farmer applies insecticides and returning the bees after the application ? this simply is not economical or practical).

 

My second question is what are the best brand or varieties of both cotton and soybeans which  are productive for nectar and honey.
 

Answer: There has been very little research conducted on this topic recently.  However, I know of a study conducted here at MSU in which 15 different soybean varieties were examined for differences in bee preference and honey production (nectar secretion from flowers).  The study essentially found no differences in varieties that were consistent across different regions of the state.  It turns out that nectar secretion seems to vary with geographic location more than with variety grown.  The soybeans grown in the Delta were more nectar producing than the same varieties planted in parts of the hill country.  However, some areas in the hill country were very productive; others were not.  It was difficult to predict which ones ? and my experience says that beekeepers often choose sites over several years through trial and error.

 

 

Can you please tell me how I can safely place my hives in such areas without the fear of eradication of these hives dealing with and coinciding with pesticide. I feel certain that this may be safely done as driving through the delta at certain times of year, honey bee apiaries are a common sight. Any help and advice will be greatly appreciated.
 

Answer: As state above ? there is always risk to your bees when they are placed in ag environments.  However, many commercial beekeepers have found it profitable to produced a 90-120 pound soybean/cotton crop per colony in these areas.  First strategy is to place your bees as far from field margins as possible.  I would recommend 90-120 feet, and of course, the farther away the better.  This distance can help prevent drift of insecticides from airplanes and reduce your chances of mass colony kill by direct acute toxicity (or exposure to the spray directly falling on hives).  Second strategy would be to place the bees under a tree canopy.  The trees can serve as an umbrella that protect the hives from drift.  Third ? develop a relationship with the grower and have him or her warn you when highly toxic insecticides need to be used.  You may not move your bees, but perhaps you can temporarily cover them to help reduce exposure.  Alternatively, a healthy relationship with the grower may help you to lead him or her to use insecticides that are safer for bees.  You can say, please do not use neonicotinoid foliar sprays if you do not have to do so.  That kind of relationship does not develop overnight, and it may difficult for you to provide any input into choices of insecticides used.  Unfortunately, the onus will be on you to protect your bees.  You may need to ask your farmer to avoid tank mixes (these are more toxic to bees than sprays of a single insecticide).  If the farmer finds your input or suggestions a hinderance to his production of a crop, you will likely be asked to leave and not come back.  The farmers have the upper hand here because the crops they grow do not need your pollination service.  The interpersonal dynamics change quite a bit when the grower NEEDS the bees to secure a crop.

 

I have said nothing about the possibility of chronic affects of insecticides on honey bees.  Certainly, sub-lethal doses of insecticides could accumulate in colonies and trigger chronic health effects to the bees.  These effects are not fully understood.  All of that said, most commercial beekeepers feel like it is very profitable to seek a summer honey crop on soybean/cotton if they can best position their colonies to avoid direct hits from drifting insecticides.  That is to say ? the primary concern of most beekeepers is to avoid acute toxicity to their bees from direct exposure to drifting insecticide.  If they do that, they can yield a profit from the honey produced.

 

I hope this gives you a perspective that is helpful.  I have attached a pesticide guide produced from the Pacific Northwest extension services in Oregon and Washington state.  Although the crops grown are very different, the factors that protect bees are similar.  It is lengthy, but some of the advice provided may be useful to you.

 

Sincerely,

 

Jeff Harris

 

 

 
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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2020, 05:10:55 pm »
Good post Phillip. As beekeepers, we have to make a [personal] decision between the health of our bees, and money. Specifically, how much of one that we're willing to tolerate, in exchange for the other.

Out here on the left-coast, there are a lot of Pollination opportunities. I've been watching/studying them. Haven't made up my mind about where that line is for me and my bees - yet.

It does sound like cotton honey is tasty.  :grin:
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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2020, 05:51:01 pm »
Alan Dr Harris sent a 34 page PDF guide titlied:

How to Reduce Bee Poisoning From Pesticides

I tried to copy so I could paste it here for your benefit, but to no avail. Perhaps if you google the title it may open for you. It shows Almond orchards so this may be of service to you.

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Re: Anyone Here Placing Bees Over Cotten Or Soybeans Crops This Year?
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2020, 04:26:19 pm »
In Australia BK's keep well away from cotton, a lot of bees have died from getting too close to cotton and the sprays, One BK lost 400 hives that flew a long way to get to cotton.
Soya beans are dependant on the variety as to whether they yield any honey.
I would rather find some alfalfa that is being grown for seed and get some honey and be paid for the pollination. You still have to be talking to the grower as to what they use if they have to spray for heliothis, green caterpillars. There are some bee friendly sprays that are applied at night.
We have got honey from sunflowers in summer, only a short flow but the grower does get a yield increase from bees.
Clover pastures will yield a honey. light but tasty and bee safe.

Thank you Oldbeavo 400 hives would be more than ❤️ heartbreaking, more like devastating. Very eye opening.
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