ATF EXPERT

[Terri Yaki]

I was going to just sit here and keep this to myself but you guys wouldn't let it lay...This is the PG version but there is a full live, unedited version out there that my buddies found. There is some discussion about overkill (no pun intended) on the part of the security guard but I have no problem with eliminating problems and saving taxpayers money. In Philthadelphia, 9mm is the cartridge of choice and other than the bad aim, it seems to work well enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHxKAfQgrqs

[Ben Framed]

Y'all might find this to be sort of interesting;  Nostalgically speaking.. 9 mm German Luger, (the first 9 mm). compared to the Colt 45. 
though not a true test, firing each

https://youtube.com/shorts/BAUWtMhvXvo?si=3i6MkYo9sWTCAOAd

[Kathyp]

ummm the bounce around thing about .22s ...sorry, another mostly-myth

I have seen what happens when they bounce around inside a skull or nick off a rib or arm bone and become the "magic bullet" changing direction and going through lung, heart, etc. 

Using the word "bounce" was more as a picture making descriptor.  Did see the results of one that entered the skull on one side, circled the outside of the brain and ended up on the other side.  Mostly intact.  Yes they can and do fragment.  Depending on velocity/distance, they don't always.

huge amount of BS myth concerning the .223 rem (or 5.56x45) going squirrelly upon entering a body.

This is different because of the weapon, but yes, tons of stupid stuff said.

ut the reason is that the wound is often viewed as being not as serious as it really is, and taking the doctor by surprise a day or two later. ... itty bitty hole with a surprisingly large area of hydraulic disturbance in the surrounding tissue.

Velocity, spin, wobble.  All depends on load and distance.  Any trauma doc should be looking for worst case, not assuming a little hole means a little wound.

The requirements for deadliness are penetration and wound channel.

Yes. 

Anyway, whatever you are comfortable shooting is the weapon that will work for you.  Personally, I like to have a knife handy because sometimes it's even better than a firearm if you end up close and personal with your attacker.   

[animal]

Imo, the "caliber wars" will never end. Every time the subject comes up, most everybody picks their personal favorite and insists it's the best. I think that often times they are right, but only for them (and others that have body type and other factors in common with them).

My guess is that this argument has been going on in different forms for a long while. The wide variety and sizes of swords comes to mind ..is a Claymore better than a Gladius ? The best answer is "sometimes" and "it depends".
I'd be willing to bet that thousands of years ago cavemen were saying "you need short heavy spear", "no, spear must be small enough to use atlatl", "you both wrong, need javelin" ... Then the bow comes along ... longbow, composite, etc. plus point styles 
I've had a Browning Nomad Stalker for a looong time. It's still my favorite bow (short recurve, but with the power of many full length bows)... look it up on the internet and you'll A LOT of people say it's the worst bow Browning ever made, even calling it uncontrollable. I guess I'm strange, but I would take it over any compound bow I've ever shot and it's put a lot of meat in the freezer. Compound bows are great on paper, and most like them, but to me they're noisy and obnoxious.

and Sal .. the guy my aunt shot was an ex-hubby turned stalker, turned break down the door yelling he was going to kill her.. My granddad gave her a Walther PPK after the incident in exchange for her Beretta, but the guy never bothered her again. 

and Kathy.. there isn't much we actually disagree on here

[Salvo]

The great equalizer.

In many discussions, it's hard for a woman to even say she would pull the trigger.

I think my wife would. "THREE TIMES AT LEAST. Bullets are cheap. Wouldn't want that guy to grab your ankle if you have to step over him."

She's good with a 45 but needs a two-hand hold and a Chapman stance. She weighs 111 lbs. She carries a little Walther too, better grip. She also carries a stick while walking, for coyotes just in case.

It's a scary world out there, even for walkers/joggers.

Re. Knives: It's always good to have a knife available.

Sal

[Kathyp]

In many discussions, it's hard for a woman to even say she would pull the trigger.

My sons FIL doesn't think he could shoot someone.  I told him not to buy a gun.  IDK.  training makes a difference.  If you feel comfortable with the weapon, you are more apt to feel comfortable using it if you have to. 

When I was doing 4H I would tell the kids to practice what they were going to do in their heads every day.  Then when on the horse, practice what they had been envisioning.  The Music Man method.     Mental prep is as important, if not more important, than physical prep. 

and Kathy.. there isn't much we actually disagree on here

Didn't really think there was!