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BEEKEEPING LEARNING CENTER => GENERAL BEEKEEPING - MAIN POSTING FORUM. => Topic started by: CVBees on March 25, 2010, 08:21:34 pm
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I know its foolish as I don't even have any bees yet. (Waiting for the call saying my nucs are ready for pick up) I got my apiary license from the state of PA today so feeling very much a beekeeper just without the bees. Looking forward to the day. Thanks for listening gang.
CV Bees
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Swore I wasn't gonna,but i renewed my apiary license this year.
I don't think they have resumed apiary inspections again.Only queen sellers and maybe nuc sellers.
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I thought this year was the year for mine to be renewed but I haven't received a renewal form yet. Won't bother if they don't send it.
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"apiary license" What is THAT? This sounds like a way for the Government to wheddle MORE money out of people.
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"apiary license" What is THAT? This sounds like a way for the Government to wheedle MORE money out of people.
Yea I know they want to be in control of everything we do. Does Virginia have a apiary license? I hope not. I like the whole idea of just working my bees in peace and not worrying about all that other stuff. ;)
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I registered two yrs ago. They send me a neat truck sticker every year that says "registered beekeeper" Everyone hems and haws over the credentials, oooh!
...JP :-D
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I bet the 10 bucks I spent for the license I won't get no dang sticker.... stinkin cheapskates. :-P
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CV,
Before last year you would get inspected once in a while. Now you'll be lucky to ever get a inspection.
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I've tried,call local office 3 times always get a recording,
there going to call if I leave my number recording always
says there on the phone,no call in 2 weeks so I looked up
agent that covers my county,sent him e-mail that was a
week ago no answer.Don't you just love how effecient our
goverment employees are.
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CV,
Before last year you would get inspected once in a while. Now you'll be lucky to ever get a inspection.
Heard about it through the local club and being military hard to not follow a rule although not enforced and means nothing. I follow those every day. Also nice to have when you are trying to find a place to put your bees or so I thought... I realize now no one cares they just want bees on their farm, orchard, property, etc
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Im not sure but it may put you on a registry for commercial sprayers if it ever becomes a problem
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I don't think they have resumed apiary inspections again.Only queen sellers and maybe nuc sellers.
Just wondering.....Does PA inspect queen breeders and nuc producers??? If we have no inspectors who does the inspections??
Jim
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I don't think they have resumed apiary inspections again.Only queen sellers and maybe nuc sellers.
Just wondering.....Does PA inspect queen breeders and nuc producers??? If we have no inspectors who does the inspections??
Jim
My understanding is that you will be inspected if you are selling bees and queens. If you want inspected,just sell a queen I've been told.
maybe Bjorn could answer this better.
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My understanding is that you will be inspected if you are selling bees and queens. If you want inspected,just sell a queen I've been told.
I am pretty sure that to be accurate and I believe that the inspection is annually instead of every two years if you are selling queens.
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In my area the mosquito abatement team won't avoid spraying in the area of your hives unless you can give them your registration info.
Also, I don't think registration is really that big of a deal. It's super cheap and if there are bee programs in your state they can use all the help they can get. Here in Northern Utah our bee inspector is a volunteer and doesn't get paid to take time out of his life to come see your bees. The last thing he is going to do is start doing random inspections at his cost. Unless you've got a serious concern he won't come out to inspect your bees. He'll usually try to help solve the issues over the phone.
An example of reg. dollars at work. The state bee people are trying to get certain qualifications for honey so that people can't sell inferior product in stores if it's labeled as "honey." I'm certainly willing to pay my $10/year for up to 20 hives!
I would be most people are part of some club or organization that costs more than that per year and they pay that. Get registered.... it's the right thing to do!!
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In my area the mosquito abatement team won't avoid spraying in the area of your hives unless you can give them your registration info.
Also, I don't think registration is really that big of a deal. It's super cheap and if there are bee programs in your state they can use all the help they can get. Here in Northern Utah our bee inspector is a volunteer and doesn't get paid to take time out of his life to come see your bees. The last thing he is going to do is start doing random inspections at his cost. Unless you've got a serious concern he won't come out to inspect your bees. He'll usually try to help solve the issues over the phone.
An example of reg. dollars at work. The state bee people are trying to get certain qualifications for honey so that people can't sell inferior product in stores if it's labeled as "honey." I'm certainly willing to pay my $10/year for up to 20 hives!
I would be most people are part of some club or organization that costs more than that per year and they pay that. Get registered.... it's the right thing to do!!
Yea, Hell, $10.00 here, and $10.00 There, a $1,000,000.00 here, a $1,000,000.00 there, pretty soon it all adds up to some real dollars (if a dollar was worth anything). :-D :roll: ;) :) :( :-X :-x
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in all fairness,the program was originally established to stop the spread of American Foul Brood. It was very effective and I really hope that they are able to resume inspections. The inspectors can be a keepers friend,especially if it stops an outbreak near you.
Our fee is 10 dollars every two years. I suggested maybe local clubs could create a pool of inspectors and pay for an inspection if one was requested by a member.
Lets face it,not everyone knows what they are looking at when going through the beehive.And it would be nice if someone could show you when something is terribly wrong and going to put every apiary in the area at risk.
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I found paying the $10 to be more beneficial than a nuisance. I mean seriously...$10 for a seasoned inspector to come out to your place when you ask him to be there, every other year. That's a bargain.
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Why is it that you want to give more money to the government. Yea I think there are requirements for bees to be registered here but I'm not playing that game. I'm at a loss of words as to why it's any bodies business what I do on my own land and what I want to do. Today my bees tomorrow my guns. Or is this a part of the "CHANGE"? By the way I'm not liking the "CHANGE" part my self.
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Why is it that you want to give more money to the government. Yea I think there are requirements for bees to be registered here but I'm not playing that game. I'm at a loss of words as to why it's any bodies business what I do on my own land and what I want to do. Today my bees tomorrow my guns. Or is this a part of the "CHANGE"? By the way I'm not liking the "CHANGE" part my self.
House bee, I am with you, 77 years ago I was born in a free country, went in the navy (voluntarily) to fight for it, but some where I have lost it, I sure as hell will not die in a free country. I have had trouble with zoneing, and building regulations, in a community where I built many a homes, with no permits, no inspectors (gestapo), and never a complaint from a person I built for. Never signed a contract because it was known that my word was my bond, and a handshake was all that was needed. In this day and age, I can understand (but do not sanction) a person walks into an office and starts shooting whoever he sees. All it takes is just a little bit of mental instability, and having to deal with the laws, and actions of the idiots running things today. And it will get worse, as we (the children of today) are a society that is being raised to expect every thing the world has to offer "NOW", without having to work, wait for, earn, or deserve it.
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If a neighbor has a serious outbreak of AFB,you may wish that someone knew about it.It's your choice to register or not. However,it would be nice to be notified if a commercial sprayer was about to blast an area where your bees fly to regularly.If my bees stayed in my backyard the issue of sick bees within a couple miles would not be such an issue,but bees cover a lot of territory.
I myself am selective about what I choose to register or not.There was not a con in this case not to register,as my local inspector is a great source of information to our local bee industry.He has a long history of keeping bees and he sees many more bees than I do. He sees firsthand what works here and what doesn't.
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Well if he's such a nice guy, why does he not donate his time to help the bees and have a real job that makes money instead of taking my money to make his pay? I'm a welder by trade and give away 50+ handrails a year to assist seniors to get up and down the steps at there house for "FREE" did I say FREE? Do I get a $5 tip or sometimes maybe a $20,yea. Where do I get the leads? Friends of mine that know some one that needs help. Thats the way "I help my comunity" Beeks are a comunity I don't need no stinking inspector taxing me and everyone else for a service that take TAX money from the people that I'm putting iron work on their house. I'd like to see him with a paint brush in his hand painting a house in the comunity rather than inspecting bees. If your intouch with the comunity they will tell you if spraing or danger is in store for your bees.
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Whoa,calm down here.
Where are you getting the idea he's a bureaucrat with a desk job? Inspecting bees is a real job,especially in large apaiaries and the distances one must travel to get to some of them.
He has put on picnics and tours of his apiary at his home as well as bringing beginner youth groups to show them about beekeeping.He has mentored a lot of people in one way or another and is very giving of his time.The inspectors around here take their time to go to the beekeepers club meetings.They all would take a direct call if you had a question or problem.
He has a "real" job plus doing inspections and mentoring. No personal attack needed on someone you don't know.
He was originally hired because of being an experienced keeper.Our inspectors worked long days and weekends to get the inspections done.
He does not come to the apiary with a chip on his shoulder. Don't take it personal on him if the state pulls funding of the inspector.
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How about you pay for the inspection your self.? That way he is a private contractor, that could be licensed by the state, therefor making money for the state and him or her self. If I want my bees inspected, I pay not, you and the rest of the people.That's the way I see it working as it should be. Bet you would get better service. What you say about that? Less government,better service. What an idea.
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How about you pay for the inspection your self.? That way he is a private contractor, that could be licensed by the state, therefor making money for the state and him or her self. If I want my bees inspected, I pay not, you and the rest of the people.That's the way I see it working as it should be. Bet you would get better service. What you say about that? Less government,better service. What an idea.
Ah! right on beaver, just like a building inspector, I do not need a stupid political hack appointee, that has never driven a nail, and does not know what a cripple is looking out for me, as I know more about building than he does. If a person does not know enough about construction to look out for his own welfare, there are persons in the business, they can hire to look out for their interest, and for a lot less than the stupid polital hacks cost us.
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Are you a licensed welder?If so why?Do you pay for certification? Have your welds been inspected? certified? If so why?
Should I get my welding done by some one who has not been inspected?
maybe we should get rid of beef inspectors at the slaughterhouses?
I'm not urging you guys to pay for an apiary license.If you don't want one don't get it. But be aware,if it's the law in your state,and you don't get it,be prepared to pay if you get caught.I'm sure you guys pay the fee for your drivers license .It doesn't make YOU OR THE OTHER DRIVERS DRIVE ANY BETTER. But on the other hand,don't complain if a neighbor has AFB and no one did anything about it.
Sorry CV,don't feel bad about complying with the law. If inspections resume in our state ,I'll bet you'll be more than glad to get to know your local inspector. They are not like codes inspectors that are just book learned,most here are experienced keepers.
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Far from feeling sorry for compliance.... I have no idea how to find out whom my local inspector is. I suppose I will email the next county overs beekeeping club. I would have to drive 40 miles to go to a meeting. I understand the reason for it and honestly call me immature at 37 but I like the fact I am licensed and have no practical experience as of yet. 8)
As I have said all winter.. SOoo excited. :bee: :yippiechick: :bee:
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How about you pay for the inspection yourself.?
I do pay the Massachusetts bee inspection :-P
1. I pay Massachusetts sell taxes
2. I pay Massachusetts income taxes
BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
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How about you pay for the inspection your self.? That way he is a private contractor, that could be licensed by the state, therefor making money for the state and him or her self. If I want my bees inspected, I pay not, you and the rest of the people.That's the way I see it working as it should be. Bet you would get better service. What you say about that? Less government,better service. What an idea.
You want to pay the inspection fee yourself? Ok. I bet the $10 to cover my license that if you were to hire someone on your own to do it, it would cost a hell of a lot more than $10 and I would also bet that the service isn't as good as you think. The inspector that visits me has not disappointed. Though I may not agree with everything he says, the knowledge and service he provides is invaluable to me.
BTW...I'm looking to sell my services as a bee inspector. I charge $5.00 per hive. I hope you have 2 hives or less. :yippiechick: :yippiechick: :yippiechick: :yippiechick: :yippiechick: :yippiechick: :yippiechick: :yippiechick: :yippiechick:
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I have no idea how to find out whom my local inspector is.
I'll poke around and see if I can find the info for you. I know there is a list on the web somewhere. Maybe it was on the Extension's website....
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Bassman and CV:
http://www.pastatebeekeepers.org/Reports/Map/Contacts%20and%20Inspectors.htm# (http://www.pastatebeekeepers.org/Reports/Map/Contacts%20and%20Inspectors.htm#)
I am not sure if the inspection program has been reinstated yet.
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Thanks. I was actually on that site. How on earth did I miss that!??! :roll:
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I'm fairly sure that his office does not make enough money from the beeks to cover his payroll and his office rental etc. What gov office does. "NONE". Thats what I'm trying to get you to understand. Yea I went to school out of my pocket to be a certified welder. Do I have a cert. Yes, "I "paid for it out of MY pocket, not yours ( not tax $),(but if you want to help me pay for mine next year, its, $300.00 will you send me some $ to pay for it. No. But you'll let the government tax you and then pay additionaly. Do all my jobs require it? No. If the person hiring me needs the certicication they pay for it. Its all paper work from my office. I get paid to produce it. ( the Cert. that is) The Gov does't. Not all my costomers require it. And I don't charge them if no certification is needed. Does that mean their welds won't hold? No I'm still the same guy doing the welding.
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If I want an apiary license I pay out of "my pocket" not yours. Should beekeepers help offset the costs for inspections or should we just ask everyone else to pay?
When dealing with stinging insects ,if you have an incident, I would rather have my apiary license.
I know the point you are trying to make,I'm as conservative as the next guy. But I do not belittle someone for complying with the law.
We will have to agree to disagree on this point.
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YEP. You agree with me and I'll disagree with you. "Just joking, Just joking". Been fun, hope others thought so also. Lets do it again some time. Thanks for the soapbox yall. "Good Day"
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Whoa,calm down here.
Where are you getting the idea he's a bureaucrat with a desk job? Inspecting bees is a real job,especially in large apaiaries and the distances one must travel to get to some of them.
He has put on picnics and tours of his apiary at his home as well as bringing beginner youth groups to show them about beekeeping.He has mentored a lot of people in one way or another and is very giving of his time.The inspectors around here take their time to go to the beekeepers club meetings.They all would take a direct call if you had a question or problem.
He has a "real" job plus doing inspections and mentoring. No personal attack needed on someone you don't know.
He was originally hired because of being an experienced keeper.Our inspectors worked long days and weekends to get the inspections done.
He does not come to the apiary with a chip on his shoulder. Don't take it personal on him if the state pulls funding of the inspector.
You are on the money about a few things. I am lucky in the way that the state of Maryland pays the inspectors from funds that is in the budget (even though it has been cut thin) and do not require any monetary fee to register the bees here. As you said about the PA inspector, ours cover so much ground that unless there is a problem and someone calls for colonies that may be diseased he may only be able to visit every three years. He opens his apiary to groups and has also mentored many and is still active in the club meetings. Do not hate your inspector for doing his job. He can be your best friend if you need help with a sick apiary of bees and a great source of info. about problems in your area.
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Now wait a minute. If you're gonna call this fight after only 3 or 4 rounds, I want my ticket money back. I came here to see a KO, not a concession. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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I want my ticket money back
Go talk to the PA Dept. of Ag. :evil:
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Sorry idee. I'm out of sting. Can't give you your money back.But if you send me a self addressed stamped envelope, I'll send you a voter registeration card with a beekeeper certification I coppied off the internet. Insure you enclose a postal money order for $35.00. Act now and I'll include a sharpee and peel-off lable so you can make yourself a "beekeeper" bumper sticker. Don't count me out, I'll bee back. Glad you enjoyed the post. It was entertaining. Beaver Dam
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Lord this sounds like a coffee house dicussion.
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I have to pay the city 15.00 bucks a year for my backyard chickens. I only get 6 and no rooster. I have no idea where the money goes or what it gets used for other than the filing clerk having to make me sign some paperwork. I get a "permit" and i've never had an inspector at our near my house. I go along with it because I don't want my neighbors calling me in and then by that account i have to pay a fine for not having the permit. I think an inspection by a chicken expert wouldn't bother me whatsoever....regulations, as long as they're limited and enforced in accordance, are fine....but really, if you're involved with bees or other animals the community therein lies as a great "inspector" in itself. keeping up to date with local farmers' and their pesticides/sprays and keeping in touch with what others encounter is just as beneficial as paying an inspector. i do feel that if the city/county wants to inspect my property/bees/chickens i do feel like it should be in the budget or accounted for with the tax money beforehand and not this slight of hand forced enforcement.
i suggest if you don't want to pay an inspector, then perhaps become more involved with the city council and go to the city legislator/attorney and see what it would take to fight for your right not to pay an inspector. it's not enough to voice an opinion on an on-line forum...if you're as passionate to not pay the fees then go the extra step and fight it.
to quote ron paul:
The other problem is the trust that people blindly put in regulations, and the moral hazard this creates. Too many people trust government regulators so completely that they abdicate their own common sense to these government bureaucrats. They trust that if something violates no law, it must be safe. How many scams have “It’s perfectly legal” as a hypnotic selling point, luring in the gullible?
Many people did not understand the financial house of cards that are derivatives, but since they were legal and promised a great return, people invested. It is much the same in any area rife with government involvement. Many feel that just because their children are getting good grades at a government school, they are getting a good education. After all, they are passing the government-mandated litmus test. But, this does not guarantee educational excellence. Neither is it always the case that a child who does NOT achieve good marks in school is going to be unsuccessful in life.
Is your drinking water safe, just because the government says it is? Is the internet going to magically become safer for your children if the government approves regulations on it? I would caution any parent against believing this would be the case. Nothing should take the place of your own common sense and due diligence.
These principles explain why the free market works so much better than a centrally planned economy. With central planning, everything shifts from one’s own judgment about safety, wisdom and relative benefits of a behavior, to the discretion of government bureaucrats. The question then becomes “what can I get away with,” and there will always be advantages for those who can afford lawyers to find the loopholes. The result then is that bad behavior, that would quickly fail under the free market, is propped up, protected and perpetuated, and sometimes good behavior is actually discouraged.
Regulation can actually benefit big business and corporate greed, while simultaneously killing small businesses that are the backbone of our now faltering economy. This is why I get so upset every time someone claims regulation can resolve the crisis that we are in. Rather, it will only exacerbate it.
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if this ends up in the coffee house, we can talk about ron paul :evil:
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if this ends up in the coffee house, we can talk about ron paul :evil:
but his quote on the discussion of regulation within this thread was relevant :) :-*
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that might be true, but my opinion of ron paul wouldn't :-D
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that might be true, but my opinion of ron paul wouldn't :-D
well he's been more consistent (in the good sense) than any politician i've come across :-P
all the best.
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well he's been more consistent
that's a little bit like embracing "change".
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well he's been more consistent
that's a little bit like embracing "change".
not quite sure what you're getting at? embracing change? yes! but not the obama kind. i didn't vote for obama. i voted for ron paul as he was on the montana ballot.
you'd be hard pressed to find a better candidate more in line with conservative ideals. i've read history! lots of different versions of it. ron paul's foreign policy is not isolationism, but rather non-interventionism...i don't think he shows a lack of naivete at all in regards to military blowback and the unintended consequences of military intervention...name one foreign country who has a military base on our soil. so we're bombed if we and bombed if we don't? you prefer the policy of spending money we don't have for our overseas affairs? our murdering of innocent civilians all in the name of freedom? here's my youtube research for the day: look up the "The Assassination of Patrice Lumumba"
so let's leave it at this: i'll keep ron paul off the bee forums for you and everyone else!!!!! go vote for palin or romney or mccain or any other neocon corporatist...embrace your change...
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:jail: Time to lock this sucker down.. the thread that is
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i am locking this as CV suggested. It appears to be moving quite far from the original post. If you wish to comment further please start a new thread. If you need to,please use the coffee house.