His Dark Materials

[cidersabuzzin]

At last, Series three and the final one of Phillip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy. Going to be good viewing.

[Kathyp]

I saw this but have not yet watched it.  It is a good show?

[cidersabuzzin]

Kathy
I must admit I had not heard of Phillip Pullman. But having seen the first episode of series 1 I was hooked. The final series looks good going off the trailer Starts for us this Sunday on BBC1.
Derek

[Kathyp]

I have it on one of the streaming things.  Acorn or Britbox probably.  I had put it on my watch list but not gotten to it.  Like my reading list, it gets longer and longer and I'll never catch up   

[Michael Bush]

> Like my reading list, it gets longer and longer and I'll never catch up

A good problem to have.  It's pretty boring if you run out...

[The15thMember]

> Like my reading list, it gets longer and longer and I'll never catch up

A good problem to have.  It's pretty boring if you run out...

I struggling to comprehend how anyone's reading list could ever physically run out. . . .   

[Michael Bush]

I can always find something, but it's nice to find something I really like a lot ,and that's more difficult.  I'm reading War and Peace by Tolstoy right now.  Not as fun as one of the Jack Reacher novels... but it's good to cover the classics if for no other reason than the good quotes and being able to understand references to them.  I never know what the source of the idea of a Lothario was until I read Don Quixote.  So not only was it a good story, but it fills in some of the blanks in understanding references such as that.

"Though the doctors treated him, let his blood, and gave him medications to drink, he nevertheless recovered." ? Leo Tolstoy
"And besides, what a notion that medicine ever cured anyone! Killed them, yes!"  ? 'Leo Tolstoy
?The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient, while nature cures the disease?--Voltaire
"Doctors put drugs of which they know little into bodies of which they know less for diseases of which they know nothing at all."--Voltaire

[Kathyp]

Oh, War and Peace is worth reading more than once!  Might have to put it at the bottom of my list.

Cider, I started that series on HBO and it's weirdly good.  Thanks for the push!

Here's another rec for the readers...and don't judge me  but I have been reading JN Cheney.  He writes space stuff and it's good enough for me to do 3 of the series so far, one of which was 16 books long.

I grabbed the 1st of the Variant series as a bathtub book and moved on to the Renegade series (my favorite so far).  Too many to name but I do a series of his between other books/series.  He also writes with other authors so they really churn them out.  This has become my escape from reality thing for the last year.

https://jnchaney.com/

[The15thMember]

I can always find something, but it's nice to find something I really like a lot ,and that's more difficult.  I'm reading War and Peace by Tolstoy right now.  Not as fun as one of the Jack Reacher novels... but it's good to cover the classics if for no other reason than the good quotes and being able to understand references to them.  I never know what the source of the idea of a Lothario was until I read Don Quixote.  So not only was it a good story, but it fills in some of the blanks in understanding references such as that.

"Though the doctors treated him, let his blood, and gave him medications to drink, he nevertheless recovered." ? Leo Tolstoy
"And besides, what a notion that medicine ever cured anyone! Killed them, yes!"  ? 'Leo Tolstoy
?The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient, while nature cures the disease?--Voltaire
"Doctors put drugs of which they know little into bodies of which they know less for diseases of which they know nothing at all."--Voltaire

My sister and I read Don Quixote together, and we loved it!  It is long, but we were regularly laughing hysterically.  I have a really good translation from Edith Grossman.  After we were done then we watched the movie The Man Who Killed Don Quixote, which was surprisingly a really good adaptation of the book, if you are into weird culty movies, which we are.   

[NigelP]

Here's another rec for the readers...and don't judge me  but I have been reading JN Cheney.  He writes space stuff and it's good enough for me to do 3 of the series so far, one of which was 16 books long.

Yup he's excellent. Really good SciFi.
Love the Jim Butcher Dresden file books, urban fantasy. No bees ever mentioned :)

[Ben Framed]

Kathy
I must admit I had not heard of Phillip Pullman. But having seen the first episode of series 1 I was hooked. The final series looks good going off the trailer Starts for us this Sunday on BBC1.
Derek

I had not heard of Phillip Pullman either Cider, until you posted another topic on the TV Series three years ago. Topic: "His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO" I have not seen any of the TV Series. Nor have I read the book. I did however find the following responses by Coolbees and jvalentour referring to the materials furnished by Phillip Pullman concerning this subject on that other topic here at Beemaster..

David Jesudason's review indicates it is an anti-Christian anti-populist story.
Not my words, his.  Just saying.

That was my take on it also - anti-Christian, anti-moral, anti-Freedom - written with the intent of further undermining the basic tenants of modern civilization (family, community, trust, respect, self-reliance, personal responsibility, etc), intended to confuse people minds at the subliminal level and thus facilitate the chaos needed to bring in the darkness of socialism - by city, by country, and eventually to the entire globe.

... i.e. a work of leftist propaganda.

[Michael Bush]

The crazy thing to me, about Don Quixote, is when it was written and how popular it has been since it's publication from then until now... In 1605 when it came out it was 15 years before the Pilgrims arrive in New England.  That's 417 years ago.  To write a story that people still find interesting and entertaining 417 years later and translated into who knows how many languages, is quite an accomplishment...

[The15thMember]

The crazy thing to me, about Don Quixote, is when it was written and how popular it has been since it's publication from then until now... In 1605 when it came out it was 15 years before the Pilgrims arrive in New England.  That's 417 years ago.  To write a story that people still find interesting and entertaining 417 years later and translated into who knows how many languages, is quite an accomplishment...

I agree.  My sister and I were talking about that when we were reading it, how it's astonishing that humor hasn't changed much, even in almost half a millennium.   

[Michael Bush]

I think I will have to read "War and Peace" again.  I can't keep everyone straight.  First there all the Russian names that sound alike to my ear, then to avoid redundancy they have to call them by their first name, their nickname, their family name etc. so I can't keep track of them all.  Since I'm listening to them while driving to work, I can't flip back and try to fill in who it is...  Next time maybe I'll have who is who somewhat straight in my head.

[cidersabuzzin]

At last, Series three and the final one of Phillip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy. Going to be good viewing.

Well! The first episode of series three took some time to get my head around. Mainly because of the gap between 2&3, it now seems the 'Angels' have arrived in the plot using 'dust' to flip between worlds. CGI is as ever brilliant. Can't wait, albeit iplayer beckons. I must resist...resist...resist.  
cider

[cidersabuzzin]

Oh, War and Peace is worth reading more than once!  Might have to put it at the bottom of my list.

Cider, I started that series on HBO and it's weirdly good.  Thanks for the push!

Here's another rec for the readers...and don't judge me  but I have been reading JN Cheney.  He writes space stuff and it's good enough for me to do 3 of the series so far, one of which was 16 books long.

I grabbed the 1st of the Variant series as a bathtub book and moved on to the Renegade series (my favorite so far).  Too many to name but I do a series of his between other books/series.  He also writes with other authors so they really churn them out.  This has become my escape from reality thing for the last year.



https://jnchaney.com/

Kath
These look a bit too much like Terminator/ Battle Star Galactica for me. I'll stay with the old-fashioned! But being a trekkie.... I can have both.

[Michael Bush]

...and also they use their first name in French, Russian etc.  e.g. Pierre Bezukhov is Pierre, Peter, Petrov, Count Bezukhov, Prince Bezukhov, the young count etc.

[Kathyp]

... i.e. a work of leftist propaganda.

I take fiction as fiction.  I remember people being upset by Harry Potter.  We have the entire Wizard of Oz set and there's stuff in there that would upset some people.

I do accept that there are things written with an agenda and this might be one of those things, but as far as I have gotten it is well done and very entertaining.
Avatar was written with an agenda and the story line was not that great, but in 3D it was stunning and I enjoyed it just for the graphics 

[Kathyp]

These look a bit too much like Terminator/ Battle Star Galactica for me.

Might depend on the series.  The Reaper series is kinda Terminator, but the Renegade series is more BSG and Stargate-ish.   

[cidersabuzzin]

Kathy
I must admit I had not heard of Phillip Pullman. But having seen the first episode of series 1 I was hooked. The final series looks good going off the trailer Starts for us this Sunday on BBC1.
Derek

I had not heard of Phillip Pullman either Cider, until you posted another topic on the TV Series three years ago. Topic: "His Dark Materials new series BBC/HBO" I have not seen any of the TV Series. Nor have I read the book. I did however find the following responses by Coolbees and jvalentour referring to the materials furnished by Phillip Pullman concerning this subject on that other topic here at Beemaster..

David Jesudason's review indicates it is an anti-Christian anti-populist story.
Not my words, his.  Just saying.

That was my take on it also - anti-Christian, anti-moral, anti-Freedom - written with the intent of further undermining the basic tenants of modern civilization (family, community, trust, respect, self-reliance, personal responsibility, etc), intended to confuse people minds at the subliminal level and thus facilitate the chaos needed to bring in the darkness of socialism - by city, by country, and eventually to the entire globe.

... i.e. a work of leftist propaganda.

Well, I suppose this is what is meant by free speech and consequently, the diametrically opposed view is that was it a load of tripe. Typical right-wing neo-fascist propaganda.   Just saying

[Kathyp]

Typical right-wing neo-fascist propaganda

You can't be 'right wing' and be any kind of Fascist.  Fascism is left-wing.   The only reason
Fascism got labeled right wing is that some of the fascist leaders hated the communists.  This had a lot more to do with power (Mussolini who started as a communist) and with WW1 (Hitler).   That, and it wouldn't do for the socialists at the time (FDR) to be IDed with the majority of the Fascist ideologies even though they were 1st cousins in thought.

Are there agendas in entertainment?  Yes.  Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?  had an agenda.  Much of the entertainment today is meant to normalize abnormal behaviors.  Knowing that this is a fact in all media, you have a choice.  1. watch with a discerning eye, or 2. consume no entertainment at all. 

I choose 1 and most of the time I can separate the agenda from the story if I like it.  I started something the other day that was way too far out there for me to continue.  Cider, It was a Brit show This Is Going to Hurt      Had the potential to be good, but pushed the agenda too hard for my taste. 

[Ben Framed]

>Well, I suppose this is what is meant by free speech and consequently, the diametrically opposed view

Agreed Cool and J are entitled to ther view as are you..

> that was it a load of tripe.

If that is Your opinion, you are welcome to it.

>Typical right-wing neo-fascist propaganda.   Just saying

What are your sources?  Or is this also 'just' your opinion? Just asking

[cidersabuzzin]

>Well, I suppose this is what is meant by free speech and consequently, the diametrically opposed view

Agreed Cool and J are entitled to ther view as are you..

> that was it a load of tripe.

If that is Your opinion, you are welcome to it.

>Typical right-wing neo-fascist propaganda.   Just saying

What are your sources?  Or is this also 'just' your opinion? Just asking

[Kathyp]

Is this David Jesudason the guy who writes for the Guardian and BBC?  I can't think they'd have anyone 'right wing' anywhere near them?

What is funny about his review and comments by others, is that they label populist politicians as anti-democratic.  They are the definition of democratically elected people, or democracy at work.
  Does that always work out?  No.  Is there a really good reason that the current worldview doesn't tolerate populists?  You bet!  You can't keep moving toward your one world 'great reset' if you allow the people to choose those they wish to choose, and those people are usually those who promise to put their own country first. 

You can see it around the world.  Every so called populist leader has been under attack from worldwide forces and from within.  It's not an accident.

[cidersabuzzin]

Is this David Jesudason the guy who writes for the Guardian and BBC?  I can't think they'd have anyone 'right wing' anywhere near them?

What is funny about his review and comments by others, is that they label populist politicians as anti-democratic.  They are the definition of democratically elected people, or democracy at work.
  Does that always work out?  No.  Is there a really good reason that the current worldview doesn't tolerate populists?  You bet!  You can't keep moving toward your one world 'great reset' if you allow the people to choose those they wish to choose, and those people are usually those who promise to put their own country first. 

You can see it around the world.  Every so called populist leader has been under attack from worldwide forces and from within.  It's not an accident.

I would treat anything in the Guardian with a large pinch of salt

[cidersabuzzin]

Is this David Jesudason the guy who writes for the Guardian and BBC?  I can't think they'd have anyone 'right wing' anywhere near them?

What is funny about his review and comments by others, is that they label populist politicians as anti-democratic.  They are the definition of democratically elected people, or democracy at work.
  Does that always work out?  No.  Is there a really good reason that the current worldview doesn't tolerate populists?  You bet!  You can't keep moving toward your one world 'great reset' if you allow the people to choose those they wish to choose, and those people are usually those who promise to put their own country first. 

You can see it around the world.  Every so called populist leader has been under attack from worldwide forces and from within.  It's not an accident.

Kath

You and your family have a great Christmas and an even better New year

Derek xx

[Kathyp]

You and your family have a great Christmas and an even better New year

You too!