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Offline gww

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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2017, 01:30:37 pm »
Just a fun fact that may or may not fit what is being discussed.  During the indian wars around the time that custer got wupped and the indians gave general cook all he could handle and on battle that the historians make out as a loss.  The troops were not given repeater rifles even though they were availible because the army in thier infinate wisdom thought the troops would waste to many bullets.  I used to shoot a lot and also reload for my 44 revolver but found that I just could justify the cost to keep doing it and now unless I drop my rifle or miss something that I think I should have hit, I don't even site my rifle in before every deer season.

The big push now seems to be to make simi-auto illeagle which would be a shame because all my deer rifles and also my 22 LR would become illeagle even though I have had them since I was a kid and dad had them probly when he was a kid.
You can not stop a crazy sob that is willing and wanting to die in a big fassion and as bad as it is, I agree with eric that thinking some one is going to do something does not prove guilt and so in my opinion, something bad has to happen before someone is guilty even if the thing that someone is done to someone who did not deserve it.  That is about the only way that people who cause no harm but every one thinks is wierd can have the right to be wierd which is called freedom.  With freedom comes risk.  Me having that view does not mean that I don't hate evil as much as the next guy.  The only good thing about it all is that after a guy like this shooter is dead, there will be no more evil from him and if we could have caught him alive, we may have been working towards adressing his evil by trying to get him where he is now, dead.

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« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2017, 01:43:50 pm »
We have watch list already.  Explain to me why that is.
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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2017, 02:16:31 pm »
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They probly have a watch list cause they are trying.  They still only have so many resorces to put towards that watch list and some of the bad acts have came from those watch list.  There are also a bunch on the watch list that did not do bad acts and some that may still do some.  They are pretty good also at running down the guilty after something happens and maby the list helps in some way.  In the end though, they can not arrest everyone on some watch list just in case and so most times the bad guy chooses when and how bad he wants to be.  It is almost impossible to see the future and so it is mostly going to be clean up after and the person killing themself helps in that clean up though like sawdust said, it would be nice it those shooters would shoot themselves first and others after. 

I am not sure their is and answer for combating evil except for as many as can making an effort to help when they can.

Crimminals always have the origional advantage and the more people trying to do good, the less chance the criminals advantage is but the criminal is still the one that picks the when and how far.

I live my life hoping to never be put in one of those bad situations and hoping I am not a coward and can find some way to help if I am. 
A very hard nut to crack.
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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2017, 02:32:12 pm »
If Paddock had spent 30 minutes on an ISIS or Al Queda website, he wouldn't have gotten his guns to the room, I suspect.  Or if he had been a card cheat, hotel scurity would have kept him out, since it was basically a casino with hotel to accommodate gamblers.
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« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2017, 05:23:47 pm »
Gww, Nut jobs can be detected by psychological testing.  There is a way of preventing them from buying guns and ammo from a dealer if a procedure was adopted into law.
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« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2017, 05:44:00 pm »
Ace, that is about the most incorrect statement I think you have made in quite some time. They can only try to interpret what a person says as to whether he is sane or not. Then guess as to whether the insane ones are dangerous or not. Then guess which of the non-dangerous ones will change and become dangerous. In the end, a flip of the coin would be as accurate.
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« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2017, 07:02:10 pm »
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There is a way of preventing them from buying guns and ammo from a dealer if a procedure was adopted into law.

You want everyone who wants to purchase a gun to have a psych exam????
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2017, 07:11:14 pm »
Ace I just say this and can?t take credit for it but it?s a great analogy.
#GunControl is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

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« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2017, 09:10:57 pm »
You want everyone who wants to purchase a gun to have a psych exam????
No, don't go way right on me.  I want everyone that wants to purchase a  military weapon, armament or missile that is considered military weaponry to submit to a psych test.  If they have no fears of the test most likely they are clean.  I ask you point blank do you have a problem with taking a psych test?  I don't.  Is a law abiding citizen somehow afraid of a psych test?  Then I am afraid of them.
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« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2017, 09:17:19 pm »
Ace I just say this and can?t take credit for it but it?s a great analogy.
#GunControl is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
You are lost on this subject.  Drunk drivers still drive cars because again it is a mental illness that the country does not want to address.  Thank you for pointing that out.  Continue to bury your head in the sand when it come to social issues.
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« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2017, 09:35:00 pm »
You want everyone who wants to purchase a gun to have a psych exam????
No, don't go way right on me.  I want everyone that wants to purchase a  military weapon, armament or missile that is considered military weaponry to submit to a psych test.  If they have no fears of the test most likely they are clean.  I ask you point blank do you have a problem with taking a psych test?  I don't.  Is a law abiding citizen somehow afraid of a psych test?  Then I am afraid of them.

If you are not afraid of taking a psychological test, you must be crazy.  My brother was a clinical psychologist and I've had several acquaintances who had PhDs in clinical psychology.  All a bit loony, I think. 
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« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2017, 09:37:35 pm »
I take it you are afraid of what you don't know?  We all have a little bit of that.
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« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2017, 09:43:36 pm »
I was being facetious.  Understand levity, Ace?
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« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2017, 09:44:28 pm »
No, I'm afraid of a loony liberal clinical psychologist that has already decided anybody wanting to own a gun has to be crazy, so he/she fails the subject before starting the test.
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« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2017, 09:47:31 pm »
I?m all for dealing with the mental health issues in this country if it falls within the bounds of the constitution!
If it doesn?t then I?m against it period. That?s not irrational or having my head in the sand. I may have simple posts, but my thought process is deep.

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« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2017, 09:53:14 pm »
I've known some really great guys who were psychiatrists (MDs who specialized in diseases of the mind).  One in Albuquerque has regular "machine gun therapy" sessions.  Most are regular guys.  The clinical psychologists?  Not so much.  A lot of them are kind of full of themselves.  And that included my brother, I'm afraid.
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« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2017, 10:06:20 pm »
Ok, when I was in high school I learned a few things you just can't say. So much for the first amendment... I was hauled away to the Binghamton Psychiatric Center where I spent the weekend. If was the beginning of December and when my wife gets into the Christmas decorations I am reminded by the ornament I made while I was there. It was worrisome then and it still is today that a shrink has that kind of power. The last thing we need is for a shrink to determine who can own a gun and who can't.
Sorry Ace but after the experience I had I don't think that the study of psychiatry is worth anything at all.

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« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2017, 10:36:40 pm »
That is funny I think they are right on target.
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« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2017, 10:38:31 pm »
A lot of them are kind of full of themselves.  And that included my brother, I'm afraid.
Full of themselves or you don't agree with their findings?
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« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2017, 12:07:33 am »
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I want everyone that wants to purchase a  military weapon, armament or missile that is considered military weaponry to submit to a psych test.
 

Pretty sure none of us can go buy a missile.  But please define "military weapon".  In the military, the 9mm is the standard sidearm.  Used to be the .45.  We use shotguns.  The AR15 on the other hand, is not used in the military.  The M16a1 and M16a2 are, but they have auto or burst options not available on the AR.  The AR15 is a semi-auto weapon in the same way the 9mm is a semi-automatic weapon.

So what, exactly, is your definition of a military weapon? 
They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.
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