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Careful Hunters and Beekeepers in Bear Country!
« on: November 27, 2021, 01:22:59 pm »

I ran across this and am thinking some of you might be interested.... Especially you hunters....

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2021, 11:08:34 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2021, 12:14:32 am »
I watched some of his videos before we did our goat butchering.  It was very helpful.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2021, 11:26:56 am »
I ran across this by accident. I was searching for the bear attack video which I found and posted under another heading. This one seemed like it might be of value to you folks in bear country. It?s amazing how fast a bear is.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2021, 01:04:11 pm »
When I was small a group of us went to the Smokey Mountains. We kids were desperate to see a wild bear! We do not have bear in my area and this would be the highlight of the trip for we Kids. Bear was the main topic of our conversations.

We were camping. My uncle and his family chose a pop-up camper. We simply had a camper top on our pick-up. After a couple days roaming through the mountains, we still had not seen a bear; Bummer. Each night we would stay at a different location.

Along the trip, I do not think we missed anything. We hiked trails. Went to waterfalls. Stopped and read the historical signs etc. But the main attraction we kids wanted to see was Mr Bear.

On the third night we kids conspired!! At each campsite the posted rules said: Do not leave food out, along with the rest of instructions of 'what not to do in bear country' WELL....   

After supper, we kids conspired to save our chicken bones..  We 'strategically' placed them in a place which we thought would be a good ideal location to see 'the bear' if 'one' happened to show up around our camp.

Little did we country kids know!  There was no need for chicken bones that night!!! A bit after we were in for the night we heard noises, shouting, fussing, garbage cans rattling etc. It was only a half moon lit night and the camp ground had no street lights. We could see flash lights, hear people shouting, fussing, see bears running. There seemed to be bear every where! We kids thought we did it! lol. We were only around seven or eight years old and the oldest of us was around 12. We dared not tell our parents of what we did. We really thought it was our fault that the bears came and toted off some to the campers cooler chest, and ransacked the campground.... lol

We still look back and have a smile of that time.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2021, 02:10:57 pm »
We went on a cruise to Alaska several years ago. When we pulled into Juneau we heard that bears frequent the town dump that was on top of the mountain overlooking the town. Judy and I took our movie camera and walked up the really steep road to get to the dump. It took more than an hour to get there, maybe 2 hours. We walk into the dump, camera in hand, went to the back of the dump and saw a large black bear. I started filming and turned to whisper something to Judy, and she was gone, after looking around I saw her heading to the entrance. Here we walked for almost 2 hours, straight up, to see a bear and as soon as we do, she takes off running.
I continued filming this bear eating until a small plane flew over our head and scared it.
I have the video to prove it including Judy running away. 😂
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2021, 09:50:53 am »
Haha!  Both of those stories are very funny.  Despite living in bear country, I have never yet seen a bear in the wild.  The closest I came was last month when we were on a hike.  Back through the trees I saw a big shaggy black hunched shape, and I gasped and stopped short, only to realize in the next moment that it was a blackened burned tree snag!  We had a good laugh about it!  :cheesy:
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2021, 12:32:57 pm »
Great memories for you two Jim..  :grin:

Member, at least you was observant! You wasn't going to be caught flat footed...  :cheesy: :grin:
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2021, 04:32:06 pm »
About 40 years ago we were camping in a Lake Tahoe camp ground. We had just come back from a drive around the area and my 2 year old daughter, Jamie, get out of the car and walks into our campsite. Judy heard a noise in the tree and calls Jamie to come immediately. Jamie asks why mommy, Judy very sternly says come here. About this time a brown bear comes climbing down the tree right above Jamie. No one got hurt but it did give us a good scare.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2021, 05:18:02 pm »
... About this time a brown bear comes climbing down ...
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Sorry to be picky Jim - should read "brown phase black bear".

(Black bears come in many color phases. Brown bears are in the Grizzly family. Califonia, thankfully, hasn't had grizzlies since 1920ish - although they will be moving back soon.) Sorry - its a peave of mine.  :grin:
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2021, 05:23:56 pm »
Haha!  Both of those stories are very funny.  Despite living in bear country, I have never yet seen a bear in the wild.  The closest I came was last month when we were on a hike.  Back through the trees I saw a big shaggy black hunched shape, and I gasped and stopped short, only to realize in the next moment that it was a blackened burned tree snag!  We had a good laugh about it!  :cheesy:

Ah yes, the ever omni-present Stump Bear. Every bit as dangerous as Australia's Drop Bears. Most common attack symptoms are Paralysis, Heart Attack, & Stroke. I've had several attack me thru the years. I barely survived a couple of these attacks. I've got one that lives near my cabin. He attacks me at least once a month. Many people don't realize they are closely related to the Rock Elk and the Bush Deer. ... you're lucky to have survived!  :cool:
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2021, 05:38:28 pm »
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2021, 05:38:49 pm »
In Yellowstone a few years ago we ran across a slow down in traffic, (semi-road block). It was tourist eyeing a brown (colored) bear. This bear was not a grizzly but a bear as you described Alan. Distinctly light brown in color.  His shoulders did not have the distinctive hump.  He was big but definitely a brown colored black bear yet a bear just the same! 😊 Let me assure you, we did not get out of the Vehicle to take pictures! No Sir! No doubt in my mind I could've come down with any of the dangerous symptoms that you mentioned before when describing the type of bear that member spotted!  I took no chance!

A day or so later we saw two real deal grizzlies. I might be mistaken but in the lower 48 they are called grizzly?  In Canada and Alaska they are defined as Brown Bear. Is that correct?

Regardless I bet Jim and Judy had to take a few minutes to recoup on that one!
No wonder Jim turned around to find Judy had bugged out during the Alaska sighting!! Hats off to Judy though, she is game, she made the hike anyway, knowing she would probably see bear! 

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2021, 05:42:58 pm »
Alan I had hoped you would chime in. I bet there is a good chance you have had bear encounters on your outdoor adventures? 

Maybe some of you other folks as well?
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2021, 07:46:23 pm »
Alan I had hoped you would chime in. I bet there is a good chance you have had bear encounters on your outdoor adventures? 

Maybe some of you other folks as well?

Bear encounters? Well, yes, I've had a few. I've killed 5 that were charging me - each with a single shot - that's all the time you get/they give you, if your lucky. All were Black bears.

I met a guy in Livingstone MT a few yrs ago. Nice kid. He was archery hunting elk - and was charged twice in 1 week. He killed both bears - 1 shot each. I asked him "how's your shorts?" ... "soiled" he said. I don't blame him.

I love bears. I love watching them. But I "watch out" for them too. I could talk bears for months. ... if I knew how to post utube videos, I'd post lots of bear vids. (But I don't care to learn how).

I don't actively hunt them - most years. (Although i did this year - and got mine). I just spend enough time outdoors that I get to see them sometimes.

#1 rule of wisdom for any aspiring woodsman: What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. Except Grizzlies - Grizzlies will definitely kill you! :cool:

I've watched 100's of black bears in my life - and dozens of Grizzlies. I don't mess around with Griz. When I say "Bear", and you want to know where the Griz is, just look in the opposite direction I'm heading.  :shocked:
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2021, 07:51:05 pm »
And yes Phillip - the "Brown Bear" is a large, generally coastal, version of a Grizzly that's found in Alaska and northern Canada. They are not nearly as pretty and the Inland Grizzly imho.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2021, 08:03:26 pm »
Ah yes, the ever omni-present Stump Bear. Every bit as dangerous as Australia's Drop Bears. Most common attack symptoms are Paralysis, Heart Attack, & Stroke. I've had several attack me thru the years. I barely survived a couple of these attacks. I've got one that lives near my cabin. He attacks me at least once a month. Many people don't realize they are closely related to the Rock Elk and the Bush Deer. ... you're lucky to have survived!  :cool:
Hahahaha!  Oh I am dying laughing, and so is anyone within earshot of me (I read this post out loud)!  :cheesy: :cheesy:  One of the Aussies was telling us about those drop bears on the kangaroo thread.  Sounds like they'll kill you as dead as a grizzlie!  :wink: :cheesy:

Sorry to be picky Jim - should read "brown phase black bear".

(Black bears come in many color phases. Brown bears are in the Grizzly family. Califonia, thankfully, hasn't had grizzlies since 1920ish - although they will be moving back soon.) Sorry - its a peave of mine.  :grin:
Thank you for being particular; if more people called things what they really are, everyone would be less confused.  (No offense, Jim.  :embarassed:)  Why do you say grizzlies are moving back to California soon?
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2021, 08:24:44 pm »
... About this time a brown bear comes climbing down ...
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Sorry to be picky Jim - should read "brown phase black bear".

(Black bears come in many color phases. Brown bears are in the Grizzly family. Califonia, thankfully, hasn't had grizzlies since 1920ish - although they will be moving back soon.) Sorry - its a peave of mine.  :grin:
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The forest ranger called it a brown bear, saying it was not a grisly. Hence I called it a brown bear. 😊
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2021, 09:49:28 pm »
I do not take you scientific minded members lightly. It is good that y'all are strict on description. Member this reminds me of the Buffalo/Bison conversation we had a while back.😊I would not want to be hooked no matter the name of the critter.   
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Alan you are a true outdoorsman! but if I was being charged by Mr Bear; (And four times is amazing!) I would have probably been in the same condition as the young guy you told us about.  :shocked: :cheesy:  :wink:

I would not be particularly concerned with the scientific name of the bears that charged me. Until he was dead, dead, dead. And I was safe, safe, safe!   :shocked: lol

Thanks for your patience with us Bear and Buffalo folks  :wink: :grin: 

Friends, one thing is for sure.
Thankfully all four of us, along with the others involved, survived to tell about it!  :happy:
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2021, 10:11:11 pm »
The last time I went deer hunting... It was in the state of New Hampshire... Where I was living at the time..  bear season and dear season . Are at the same time..  I was using a rifle.. .300 Winchester magnum...Most beers are taken. During deer season in New Hampshire.. New England only has black bears..
 I believe the only bears. East of Mississippi  River are black bears

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2021, 10:16:52 pm »
I think you are right Jim 134. For many years there were no longer bear in my Home State of Mississippi, but I understand that has changed in recent years and they are slowly making a comeback.. They are not alone. There has been reports of Cougar also; Well; 'PUMA' lol.....
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2021, 10:27:53 pm »
... Why do you say grizzlies are moving back to California soon?

To make a very long winded conversation short(er) 15th ... they've been breeding/spreading from Montana since the 70's. Down into idaho, over into eastern oregon, etc. They should be in (north-eastern) california within 10 yrs, if not already there ...
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2021, 10:30:20 pm »
Alan is this in part of your hunting area?
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2021, 10:31:49 pm »
Allen,
The forest ranger called it a brown bear, saying it was not a grisly. Hence I called it a brown bear. 😊
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No worries Jim. I never met a Forest Ranger (or any other gov wildlife "type") in california that knew what they were talking about. Your totally off the hook - in my book. ... I just felt the need to clarify for the-world-at-large. I hope you don't mind Sir.
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2021, 10:33:55 pm »
Alan is this in part of your hunting area?

Montana? Idaho? Wyoming? Nevada? Oregon? California? ... yup.

I've hunted in Grizzly country for ... a lot of years ... (hate to date myself here) [grin!]. I make it a point, having successfully survived 5 charging bears, to know what I'm up against. In 2020 elk hunting camp, we had 6 different Griz going thru our camp [griz every day - different Griz some days] every night. ... I moved to a new location (150 miles away) to hunt in 2021. [Cheesy]
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2021, 10:35:24 pm »
Beautiful country!!
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2021, 10:44:15 pm »
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In 2020 elk hunting camp, we had 6 different Griz going thru our camp every night. ... I moved to a new location (150 miles away) to hunt in 2021. [Cheesy]

I don't blame you!! It was time to go!  :cheesy:
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2021, 11:12:45 pm »
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In 2020 elk hunting camp, we had 6 different Griz going thru our camp every night. ... I moved to a new location (150 miles away) to hunt in 2021. [Cheesy]

I don't blame you!! It was time to go!  :cheesy:

A friend of mine was hunting elk in the #1 Grizzly attack area in the world (Beattie gulch, mt) a few years ago. He was charged by a blond bear. He drew his revolver and shot the bear thru the top of the head at a final distance of 3 feet. The bear drooped dead and slid into him, as a result of its momentum. My friend called in a Grizzly killing - as required. When FWP and Law Enforcement showed up, he was still quite shaken. They asked "do you have a black bear tag?". "Yes" he answered. "Then you can keep the bear". ... he has that bear on his front entrance today. It's the spitting image of a Grizzly in color. I can't imagine how scared he was that day. If you go into Beattie Gulch without knowing the risk, the joke is on you. I quit hunting there in 2014 - and I go in "prepared" (as best you can prepare). Beattie Gulch is the place where Grizzlies were first "documented" to be 'pack hunting' in 2013 ... and I was there that day (but not the victim) ... yeehaw!!

... yes, I've got more than a few bear stories. ...
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2021, 11:35:36 pm »
Alan I am learning more from you on this thread than I have learned by watching some videos. One take I am getting loud and clear is the black bear, no matter the color he comes in, can be VERY DANGEROUS! Thank you for sharing you experiences. I am enjoying your post here immensely. I feel it is safe to say others are as well. Thanks for posting. You have my full attention...

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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2021, 11:50:21 pm »
A friend of mine was hunting elk in the #1 Grizzly attack area in the world (Beattie gulch, mt) a few years ago. He was charged by a blond bear. He drew his revolver and shot the bear thru the top of the head at a final distance of 3 feet. The bear drooped dead and slid into him, as a result of its momentum. My friend called in a Grizzly killing - as required. When FWP and Law Enforcement showed up, he was still quite shaken. They asked "do you have a black bear tag?". "Yes" he answered. "Then you can keep the bear". ... he has that bear on his front entrance today. It's the spitting image of a Grizzly in color. I can't imagine how scared he was that day. If you go into Beattie Gulch without knowing the risk, the joke is on you. I quit hunting there in 2014 - and I go in "prepared" (as best you can prepare). Beattie Gulch is the place where Grizzlies were first "documented" to be 'pack hunting' in 2013 ... and I was there that day (but not the victim) ... yeehaw!!

... yes, I've got more than a few bear stories. ...
I also didn't know that black bears could come in other colors.  I wonder if we have any around here that aren't black. . . .  What's this thing about bears pack hunting?? 
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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2021, 12:42:40 am »
I knew they come in different shades of color but I did not realize how aggressive they can be (Black Bear Species). Alan has lived the experience.

Member did you see the video that I posted on the other bear topic of the charging bear and the guy with the shotgun, running backward losing his shoe! I should have placed that video here... From now on everytime I watch video of a charging bear I will think of Coolbees... Nerves of Steel....
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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2021, 12:57:46 am »
I had placed this video on another topic which is more bee related than hunting related, but I am thinking it is relative here as well! Notice the guy was shuffling backward and lost his shoe! Almost falling! The bear was so mad it grabbed the guys shoe for a split second, which might have given him just enough time to make it to safety???
Coolbees I can only imaging what you and your friends have experienced.... Maybe this little bit of insight will give a 'slight kinship'...
This one is a Grizzly...


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Re: Careful Hunters and Beekeepers in Bear Country!
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2021, 01:22:14 am »
.... One take I am getting loud and clear is the black bear, ..., can be VERY DANGEROUS! ...

Not really. Most black bear charges are "false charges" - meaning they will stop short of actually attacking - something I didn't know when I was young - so I shot first , and didn't miss. ...

Until recently, there was only 1 recorded instance of a black bear killing a human in Montana - and that bear turned out to have been previously wounded, suffering, and crazy with pain. Only a few in the history of California. Mostly they are very shy and gentle. I don't feel any fear around Black Bears - just an awareness. ... but, I'm better trained and prepared than most - and experienced - so of course I'm not "worried" ...
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Re: Careful Hunters and Beekeepers in Bear Country!
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2021, 01:27:39 am »
. . . .  What's this thing about bears pack hunting??

It's something widely known - locally - by biologists, law enforcement, and hunters, in an area infested with Grizzlies. It's been caused by the introduction of the (wrong) wolves. (Long story). ... I can't imagine why they haven't wanted to make it national news ...  :shocked: :wink: :cool: :cool:
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Re: Careful Hunters and Beekeepers in Bear Country!
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2021, 01:32:21 am »
... From now on everytime I watch video of a charging bear I will think of Coolbees... Nerves of Steel....

... HAHAHAHA!! I wish! ... years of practice (with the proper tools) helped me to win the first bear charge - but I couldn't walk (legs didn't work) for 45 mins afterwards. ... it's a funny(ish) story. I'll tell it someday.
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2021, 01:41:04 am »
This one is a Grizzly...


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Yup - that's a Griz. Don't mess with them. Definitely don't wound one. You just leave them wounded, hurting, and they attack someone else later. ... if you don't go into Griz country prepared, then don't go there.
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Re: Careful Hunters and Beekeepers in Bear Country!
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2021, 01:46:14 am »
... From now on everytime I watch video of a charging bear I will think of Coolbees... Nerves of Steel....

... HAHAHAHA!! I wish! ... years of practice (with the proper tools) helped me to win the first bear charge - but I couldn't walk (legs didn't work) for 45 mins afterwards. ... it's a funny(ish) story. I'll tell it someday.

Looking forward to it 😊 👍🏻
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Re: Careful Hunters and Beekeepers in Bear Country!
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2021, 10:59:11 am »
It's something widely known - locally - by biologists, law enforcement, and hunters, in an area infested with Grizzlies. It's been caused by the introduction of the (wrong) wolves. (Long story). ... I can't imagine why they haven't wanted to make it national news ...  :shocked: :wink: :cool: :cool:
Oh, is this that thing about how the wolves that were reintroduced onto National Park lands, from Canada if I remember correctly, are more robust and larger than the wolves which were originally here?  So the bears have had to learn to pack hunt to complete?  That's incredible!   
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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2021, 11:53:27 am »
It's something widely known - locally - by biologists, law enforcement, and hunters, in an area infested with Grizzlies. It's been caused by the introduction of the (wrong) wolves. (Long story). ... I can't imagine why they haven't wanted to make it national news ...  :shocked: :wink: :cool: :cool:
Oh, is this that thing about how the wolves that were reintroduced onto National Park lands, from Canada if I remember correctly, are more robust and larger than the wolves which were originally here?  So the bears have had to learn to pack hunt to complete?  That's incredible!

Yes.

Phillip - I have to politely disagree with the conclusion of firearm/caliber choice in the original video. My personal experience - has seen what a 9mm and 45 acp won't do to a bear. I consider the 44 mag, with factory premium rounds, to be a "bear minimum pea-shooter" against Griz.

When a bear charges, your only target is the top of their rolling head. Their skull is so thick that bullets tend to "bounce off", or be deflected. It takes a lot of power to puncture the skull from that angle. A slow moving, very heavy bullet has the best chance of success.

Of course - people have successfully killed large Grizzlies with 22 LR's fired into the side of their head ...https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/bella-twin-the-22-used-to-take-the-1953-world-record-grizzly-and-more/

However - in today's climate, shooting a Griz in the side of the head negates your self defense argument - and therefore gets you (up to) a federal felony, 10 yrs prison, and/or $25k+ in fines - or some such. Ask the guy in Idaho that shot a Griz in his backyard that was about to attack his daughter - how that worked out for him.

So, when a bear charges - drop down to 1 knee (while drawing) to change your target angle - and shoot under their chin - with a really big ... something-or-other ... imho.
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Re: Careful Hunters and Beekeepers in Bear Country!
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2021, 12:07:40 pm »
Makes for perfect reasoning Alan.   :grin: You probably remember from our previous conversations that one of my desires of priorities is to >someday< backpack horse style in the Rockies.

I use to read those Outdoor Life, Field & Stream, and Sports Afield magazines when younger, while growing up on horses. I have always wished to take that plunge. I suppose with the regulations and rules concerning self defense protection, a person had better be well versed in the law part of protection as well.
Thanks again for pointing out the gun caliber concerns as well as the legal aspects.

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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2021, 05:04:28 pm »
Makes for perfect reasoning Alan.   :grin: You probably remember from our previous conversations that one of my desires of priorities is to >someday< backpack horse style in the Rockies.

I use to read those Outdoor Life, Field & Stream, and Sports Afield magazines when younger, while growing up on horses. I have always wished to take that plunge. I suppose with the regulations and rules concerning self defense protection, a person had better be well versed in the law part of protection as well.
Thanks again for pointing out the gun caliber concerns as well as the legal aspects.

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You can stay south of Wyoming and hunt the rockies on horse and need nothing. Our elk trips to Colorado are backpack trips. We killed that elk this year 4.5 miles from the truck on foot. Paid a horse guy to get it out for us. But all in all, we slept on the bare ground under tarps somewhere between the wolves, cougars and the black bear. I spent several nites alone under a tarp 3-5 miles from base camp. But the hunting rifle is all you should ever need there, if just for peace of mind. Of course, when we do that in archery season, all you have is a bow. That?s pretty comfortable too.


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Re: Careful Hunters and Beekeepers in Bear Country!
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2021, 05:43:05 pm »
Sounds good 30. I like hearing of y?alls trips and adventures. I really enjoy your hunting pictures too. Those girls are off to a good start! Good stuff!
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